I think it would've been interesting if Hagakure died in the third chapter and Ishimaru was the main suspect because, you know, he didn't talk. Ishimaru didn't had to die, Hagakure is dumb and Celestia could've manipulate him easily to kill another character, plus, it would've been interesting to see Hifumi and Ishimaru pointing the blame on each other because they both "love" Alter Ego.
@Crimson Fox they chose taka because taka’s death was how is grandfather fell from being prime minister. Taka’s grandpa was prime minister until he got caught in a scandal and same thing with taka in the third trial. Taka got caught in the false claims of harassment by Celeste which led to his death. His death was to give taka despair because taka never wanted to make the same mistake as his grandfather.
Akane: I love how her backstory factors into her personality and motivations and how she's more complex than she seems I hate how most people just boil her down to "boobs" and "food"
hey, give spike a break. I mean, it’s not like being one of the literal survivors and having multiple cgs of her gives them anywhere near enough screen time to flesh her out
@@BlubberMaker lol, true. I do wish she (and Hiyoko since we're on the subject) were more fleshed out in the main story and I don't blame anyone for seeing her as a shallow character, I just find it unfortunate.
yeah, just in case you misinterpreted my heavy sarcasm there, I find that danganronpa tends to overly rely on FTEs to develop characters that have plenty of screen time to do so in the main story. I mean, only *just recently* have I realized how mahiru is literally a top 5 dr2 girl only because I finally got around to watching her FTEs. It’s actually crazy
@@BlubberMaker I find that to be a problem with a lot of games that have some kind of system of character leveling up system to see their backstory. Persona and Fire Emblem to name a few. It tends to feel like a lot of characters get their spotlight then are pushed to the back and never contribute meaningfully to the story or change with it after that.
I love how Nagito's character is so well written and he's possibly the smartest character in the series, bringing so much more entretainment to the game with his crazy ideas, like, that fifth chapter and death were the best in the series but I hate the way his fanbase treats him like a poor boy who doesnt do anything right and wants to fuck Hajime, like sure, the ship is a thing, but some people take it to the extreme
People ship it because the creators always suggest it 'I wouldn't mind if you just wanted to see me naked Hajime' (free time event) 'Go away. I hate you' (he had the liars disease) 'I am truly in love with the hope that sleeps inside of you' (free time event) Kokichi, however was 10x more obvious 😂 'Maybe we were even lovers in our past lives' (free time event) 'My beloved Shumai would never!' (class trial) 'You could do whatever you want to me. And that's the truth.' (Love Hotel) 'I'll do whatever it takes to make the people I like notice me (talking about shuichi), even strangling them.' (At the very end of the Vr simulation thing) 'I stole your heart so now I'm satisfied' (Honestly can't remember :') )
*Hint: you aren't alone thinking Rantaro is oddly attractive, teehee* EDIT: wha- I've never had this many likes before LOL I've been trying to say this forever, I just didn't want to ruin the comment :,)
It’s great that your hate for Kiyotaka is just that he died and I wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn’t have died. He had so much potential for his character...
* insert heavy sobbing over the fact that if he wasn't murdered he probably would've starved to death * He starved himself after Mondo's death in fear of accidentally eating the Mondo Butter😭
Yasuhiro Hagakure: “I love how he’s not exactly the brightest person around, *but he’s not dumb enough to where he becomes a nuisance to deal with* “ Chapter 5 Yasuhiro: KYOKO’S A GHOST!!
@@noako5377 he was one of my favourites until chapter 3. I feel like they completely ruined his character with his motive as well as the fact that he killed Tenko for no real reason. He was one of the more logical and smart people in the class trials along with Kokichi, Keebo and Ryoma and it really sucked that his motive was so... weird and illogical.
Love: she's optimistic and was quite a good character Hate: people are hating on shuichi for being her quote on quote 'replacement' I personally think that Shuichi was a better protag because remember when Kaede literally l i e d for the sake of people not thinking it was Shuichi. Like sweetie I love you but if you want them to think it's not Shuichi then give good arguments to justify it. Shuichi on the other hand always looked at the bigger picture and even if people thought a certain person was the culprit, he never eliminated the possibility that it could be another person. He would also never side with someone because he was their friend. He always sided with the person that made the most sense.
@@maensnaa7618 If that part about hating Shuichi from that is true,that's super petty.Its not his fault Kaede got desperate lol. I also agree with Shuichi being a better protagonist. He understood trusting in your friends too much was dangerous,especially in a killing game,and even if he regretted it he still did because he cares about everyone's well being. Meanwhile Kaede was really optimistic,which is good,but how she trusted her friends so much was dangerous.Possibly later she could learn to not be like that,but I really do think the twist of Kaede being the culprit was good,considering how much confidence it gave everyone,and the development it gave to Shuichi.Plus,we finally get to have a protagonist dying,which is pretty refreshing.
Honestly, I like that some characters that would be relevant to the plot die, while others of irrelevance live. It really shows that anyone can die, no matter how important they may seem.
It’s a good way to betray expectations “ok so they gave this character a lot of development there’s no way they’re gonna waste it on a character that’s gonna di- and they’re dead”
I don't really think that ever happened it the series, most characters kinda fell right into the classic "next victim" motif, they would start to develop and show of characteristics that directly lead to their death and clues in the trial for how and why they died. It was never a "I'm useful so I can't die scenario" if was always I'm standing out right now so when I die you know exactly why. Then the so called irrelevant characters magically become relevant at the end of the game just because they need to be even when they don't provide anything and honestly have shitty characterization as a whole, big examples being Sonia and Himiko.
Actually, tenko had an unused beta design of her wearing a aikido uniform. I'm not sure why they changed her design it would've fit better with her ultimate
@@Acetag31 you mean like in Chapter 1 when him cleaning the Old Building wasn’t out of irony but because he actually wanted to? Or in Chapter 4 when he played the Russian Roulette in the “hardest difficulty” even when you know he wasn’t going to die? Or better yet his plan of getting himself killed by literally using a Mouse Trap to set up a fire? How that is not plot armor?
Honestly, yeah but Makoto is literally the beacon hero for the series so they couldn't just kill him off, and most of his plot armour is actually explained as people genuinely liking him too much to hurt him, and even when they try his luck is there to prevent it, honestly a way better explanation of plot armour than I've really seen anywhere else. If you want to point out egregious plot armour look at Kyoko, Shuichi or Kokichi. Those three have the most plot armor in the series without even a shadow of a doubt.
I hate how the devs didn’t use the rule where the second murder doesn’t matter, it would’ve been interesting to see what they would think of korekiyo if someone else killed Angie.
V3 in a nutshell, motives don't matter, characterization doesn't matter, not even the plot matters. The third trial in that game wasn't the only big example of the motive being pointless, every other motive was pointless too and had little to no relevance to the plot other than the fourth trial. V3 had so many problems and the motives or rules not mattering was probably the least impactful issue.
@@user-xb8gl6uc3o The first motive was getting away with Murder, it had no bearing on the plot and wasn't even used. Sure in theory it was also the fact they knew the mastermind's trap door but honestly why didn't Kaede just say "I was trying to kill the mastermind, I didn't think it would kill Rantaro." She could have explained herself and actually gotten out or gotten a pass for it, and it would have actually been a unique way to get rid of a character or two or even keep her the protag when she killed someone. In the end it actually had no bearing on anything for that chapted and they had to make a secondary motive to murder.
@@skylightsblade9468 I agree with you. Danganronpa V3 had endless opportunities to create amazing & unique scenarios with the things they presented, but in the end they flush all those ideas down the toilet to create suspense and drama. It was a pretty good game, but had a tons of wasted potential.
There was a bit more to Hifumis. Celestia manipulated him into thinking taka r@ped her. He was willing to kill someone because he hurt his “only friend” I honestly cried when he died.
I could not agree more with the Korekiyo comments. His design, voice, and overall personality is SO. DARN. CAPTIVATING. Yet they threw it away to become this easily-despised character that you couldn't feel remorse for. His character intrigued me to the point where I ended up searching the web and spoiled EVERYTHING for myself- yet the chapter STILL had me in shambles for about a week. It angers me to tears what they could've done with him instead.
Despite his faults, he is still one of my favorites. Partly because I'm an anthropology student myself, and also because of how entertaining he is to watch from time to time. And if there's any consolation, according to the final twist, there's a possibility that he never did all those murders in the first place
Honestly the serial killer thing would've been fine if it were just because he appreciated his sister and not him being from whatever the Japanese version of Alabama is
@@itsyaboitavino3273 i don't agree with that, i think if he's already a serial killer who kills people to send them to his dead sister you may as well go all the way. The whole point is that he's an anthropologist so doesn't really give a shit about following what he sees as subjective human taboos and morals.
every chapter 3 class trial killed some of my favorite characters- THH: Kiyotaka ( I was also really disappointed with Celeste's poker face since she seemed interesting at the beginning) DR2: Hikyoko (i was seriously looking forward to her development since it seemed like she was going to follow the redeption arc of Fuyuhiko) V3: Korekiyo ( I have been headcanoning for over a month to help myself from just dying inside)
That first trial fucked so much with my mind holy. I basically sat there: WAIT NO YOU CANT JUST MAKE ME (KAEDE) THE MURDERER HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO FIGURE THAT OUT
Hifumi didn’t kill Taka just because of Alter Ego, there were other factors, he was also told the Celeste was “manhandled” by Taka, and that his life, along with Alter Ego’s, was also in danger.
As a Kokichi stan, I agree with you that he made things really interesting and fun whenever he was involved with something, but I honestly hate how he was basically turned into a meme to the point that people can't take him seriously anymore. I'm also still upset when I found out that he wasn't a survivor. I wanted my boi to live and not die like *that*.
I’m gonna say it but kaito and kokichi should’ve survived, Kokichi probably would’ve confessed on what he did if he actually survived while kaito probably starts getting along with kokichi 🗿
fr- in general the fandom tends to make everything a meme, which isn't inherently bad, but more often than not it clouds people's judgements about a character (specially with rival-like characters such as Kokichi, Nagito and even Byakuya) and people entirely seem to forget about what and who they actually are, often making them into a big caricature of a certain trait they pick it's a shame bc Kokichi's actually one of the best characters in the franchise imo
I came here for Kiyo and I wasn't disappointed. As a Kiyo simp I 100% agree Edit : Alrighty guys let me help out. I'm out here talkin' bout Korekiyo from v3. If it was Kiyotaka I would've just put Taka :) Ok have fun in the comments again
Allow me to help you with the Tsumugi part- Love: her design, her talent and how she actually managed to hide her role as mastermind for so long while still being directly involved in the game Dislike: how little confirmation we got about whether or not the stuff she said in Trial 6 were actually true
It's pretty confirmed (100%) that she lied, but not to what extent. It could be everything she showed and called the truth was a lie, or it could be just about them being there by their own will... but if she can lie about them being there by will, she can lie about everything else easily, we just can't get the actual truth accurately when there's brainwashing in the plot, and the meta-theme of the VN doesn't help...
The only thing I hate about her is her plain personality. Like a fly posed on a wall. You can't say she's extremely cute, or maybe fairly reserved, or enthusiastic, or lovely or anything in special. She's like her talent, a fake thing. I didn't feel like her being the mastermind were incredible or "woke". Pretty simple, tbh. If you told it was rantaro all the time or Kaito, or even Akane, I think I would've cried absolutely terrified.
See I was SO disappointed when Ryoma died. I loved him so much. He was wise, smart, a very supportive character and his backstory (you know which one) was so sad. He could have had such amazing character development and it really doesn’t help that he basically understood what Kirumi was going to do and decide to sacrifice himself. COME ON MAN MY HEART
I love how he's that one guy who I probably have the most respect towards of the entire series and how he is a good oddly designed character. I hate how he died at Chapter 2.
This pretty much sums up my feelings about every character. Especially Chihiro and Taka, neither of them deserved to die. Now that I think about it, none of the characters deserved to die, both those two were my favorites.
About Kiyo and Tenko: I love how Tenko is extremely determined, and even cares about males sometimes, but still, i hate how she gets angry everytime a male breathes near her And Kiyo was just the greatest character for me, his design is cool, his personality is cool, his sprites are cool, his voice fits, his murder was very creative and he said a lot of cool folkloric stuff in his free time. What i hate is not about him, but about the fandom: how most of people just reduce him to "crazy incest man", and a lot of them don't know he was ABUSED by his sister, who even betrayed him in the end, by throwing salt at him with Monokuma during his execution. And i also hate how his execution is underrated. I mean, everyone's talking about Kirumi's execution, but i think Kiyo's was worse
Yeah I totally love Tenko but I just hate her desing, I mean how is she supposed to practice in that mini skirt? Edit: Wow, how is posible that this comment got so many likes?!
mini skirts are more flowy than most people think they are! As a girl, a lot of people underestimate them, the absence of closings and legs make them far loser than others! Plus since it’s shorter and the knees can bend easily, making it perfect for aikido! Plus in the 1500’s all men fought in togas, so why can’t women fight in skirts? No idea what they thought they were doing with that flower thingy though...
@@Fishy77777 I saw one of her beta designs that she had a aikido uniform, and I thought that design fits more to her ultimate I'm not sure why they changed it
I like how you couldn't think of anything to hate about chihiro so you just hate how he only lived for like 1 and a half chapters and then got his head bonked edit: thanks for the likes in fact I will give cookies to whomstever replies with compliment till 2k likes
Edit: this is the most likes I’ve ever gotten on a comment. Thanks guys 😭 With Gundham being my favorite character... I’m sadly gonna have to agree with you 🥲 I found myself getting really annoyed in some of his rebuttals. But he’s still a wholesome bean so he’s still my favorite.
I completely agree. He’s my favorite character I think from the entire series so when he just says some things in his rebuttals like “then the piano!” Like..Gundham, no.
1:35 I mean, she WAS about to get executed. The reason she got caught was kinda stupid, so I’d be frustrated like she was. 5:32 i think she died because she was closest to Mikan along with, and mikan killed her to bring despair to herself because she was brainwashed by Junko, and,, yeah. I’m not sure, correct me if I’m wrong here
For real, that “they” could’ve meant everyone that got killed before instead of the 2 that died that episode :/. I wish there was a separate episode where she won .-.
@@P0pBitch I was thinking about that too because when she said, "like those guys died" I thought she was talking about the previous death in the other chapters. Not sure why she didn't correct herself in the trial but 🤷🏽♀️
@@teamili7957 I read somewhere that it was a mistranslation. I don't have actual evidence but I think in the Japanese version she said: "Like *the* guys died" or something like that. I don't know.
@@teamili7957 could've also worked if she said "those two" Doesn't fit the number of victims and it'd be weird to bring blackened into a victim context
Well, hifumi didn’t really kill because of the AI entirely, Celeste manipulated him and also lied to him about uhh Taka assaulting her.. which also contributed big time to his drive to kill him
Yeah I did feel like had Celeste not manipulated Hifumi, he would've calmed down after a bit and not killed Taka. Celeste got to Hifumi when he was emotionally charged and basically fueled his desire to ACTUALLY kill Taka for her own plan.
i love how he found at least one thing to like about every single character, and i hate how for a lot of the female characters his primary focus was just his romantic/sexual attraction to them
thank you for bringing up something abt mondo other than mondo butter! while it is funny, there’s so much more to him than... butter. he’s tied for my favorite dr1 character with sakura.
@@chimchim5216 yeah... i love him, he’s one of my favorites but there’s no denying the “silliness” of his execution. it still destroys me, even if the music is some of the best execution music in the series
tbh i find his execution morbid cause he got liquefied alive. like, just imagine how horrifying that was for ishimaru? and lets be honest if it was realistic (which it is already when you think about it) there would be blood spatter everywhere. its hard to think about it.
I loved so many things about Angie and her conflict with Tenko, especially in the first half of the 2nd Trial. Angie and Tenko are awesome examples of belief vs logic. Angie’s irony as a religious character, fell on the logic side. “You May think you’re protecting Himiko, but what she really is the culprit? We’ll all die. Are you really okay with that?” Imma be honest, Tenko was kinda pissing me off at this point where she protected Himiko for no reason other than her infatuation, but she would rather get herself and everyone else killed if it meant protecting Himiko. Turns out she was right, but she had no actual reason to believe it. It was a really well written conflict that had me picking a side and had me lose. It was fun!
I think the reason why Taeko (Celeste) lost her cool I'm the third trial was because she knew for a fact that it was a life and death situation. She probably wanted her dream to come true before dying so...that's prolly why she freaked out
Personally still not sure how to feel about her. She's was hina's more annoying clone for me at first. But then i play it again after some time and trying not see her like that. Yeah. I see her in different light's now but still can't say it's interesting for me
(My opinion) Akane and Kazuichi are absolutely useless throughout the entire story, Kazuichi is only a teruteru 2.0 who isn't as ugly as him, I have no idea whatsoever on why the devs made him a survivor, it would've been better for Kazuichi and Hiyoko to switch places, (Hiyoko x Mahiru) Akane does absolutely nothing but eat and make trouble, I think the only damn reason she survived is because of nekomaru's sacrifice (don't know who she would switch places with.. Possibly Nagito? Chiaki?), also not to mention they took Hina and made her even more absolutely useless with the name Akane
@@Asphils I posted this under a different comment but I think this explains it well. It’s often that people will romanticize their abuse in order to cope. I did that with my mother. I thought of her as the best, most intelligent, wonderful woman in the world before my world came crashing down and i had the realization that she treated me like dirt. Korekiyo believing he was in love with his sister makes sense to me. I just hate how he’s boiled down to a “sWEet hOmE aLAbaMa” character when it’s likely that he was abused. He’s my second favorite character in V3, behind Rantaro and Rantaro only edges him out because I find Rantaro comforting for some reason. I don’t know exactly why but I got attached and cried when he died.
@@cordeliajackson8615 That's honestly really sad,I never knew that about Kiyo considering I never really looked into him too far.Its such a twisted way to cope,but it fully makes sense since you dont exactly know better,trauma really messes with your head.. On a side note,I'm so sorry you had to go through that,Im glad you realized how bad she was.
Rantaro is my favorite character because he’s genuinely kind and wants to protect the people around him. Also can relate to every self deprecating comment he makes about himself.
@@Asphils I was one of those people who somehow knew chihiro was a boy before the game started and I liked the idea of a programmer so he was always (and still is) my favorite Danganronpa character so when he died I was just like “NOOOOOO- *tears threatening to fall*”
honestly class trial 3 didn't ruin korekiyo for me, i did his free time events and i'm certain he was abused by his sister. i just feel bad. with gonta- I AGREE
He’s like one of those characters that are so dumb they survive because the killers keep anticipating that they’ll do the sensible thing but instead they make the most ridiculously stupid decisions possible
As someone who has Korekiyo as their favorite character, I agree with the hate thing. We don’t talk about Chapter 3. It never happened, it skipped to Chapter 4 and my husband is still alive and well with no murder in his eyes whatsoever.
Yeah, chapter 3 always does a diservice to the killer. The killer just has to look sooo bad to justify them killing 2 people, so much so that it makes them unrecognisable. With Korekiyo, if he HAD to be the ch3 killer, I'd perfer it if he killed out of a misguided attempt at kindness. Something like "this place is literally hell, we'd all be better off dead', so he tries to kill everyone but only got 2. That way, he can still be totally insane, but at least SOMEWHAT sympathetic in his actions.
@@spiritofchaos58 building on that, it would’ve cut deeper if, after Gonta’s declared guilty, AI Gonta &/or Kokichi were like “Kiyo was right” “we shouldn’t have sent Kiyo to his death” or something along those lines.
Shuichi Saihara Love: How he’s probably the least bland protagonist out of the rest of them. He has a talent and an interesting backstory. You can relate to him (that might be the kinnie talking). I also really love his design. Hate: how the fandom thinks of him. He so much more than an insecure protagonist. I also hate how the fandom thinks of his pregame as a pervert, manipulating, obsessive insane man. Plus I hate how much pressure they would put on him and how the characters would overestimate him.
@@natnatthecat62 I mean, so do I.... 😆 BUT STILL! I felt like a forth wall break has happened and I (and probably a few other people) was somewhat the target of it... 👀👀
I agree 100% with you on Kiyo. Also, if you think Kokichi's sprites are nightmare inducing, then there's a certain fan character from SDRA2 I'd like you to meet.
TW: Mentions of abuse (sexual), incest and murder Just a rant about Korekiyo Korekiyo is a character I really love because of his voice and how mature he does seem at times, and hos most things he say are super interesting and they stuck to me. What I do *hate* is how no one even mentioned him being basically *abused* by his sister and was just thrown in for character and that's it. If you do all Korekiyo's free times, you get more and more story and see how he's really messed up in the head. Being sexually abused by his sister, his sister forcing her dream into him. They basically used the sister as a joke in his execution. I was just sad, and angry, that no one has addressed that and they all mostly hate him because of his incestuous relationship, that he did not consent too, with his sister. Now this bring me another point, it's mostly used as a joke. Which implies the whole "males can't be raped" opinion (which is not true) Korekiyo was forced in this relationship, and him being young he didn't understand that this relationship with his sister was wrong. Korekiyo is mentally ill and he lost himself after his sisters death. As you can see his Tulpa. (Tulpa is a concept in mysticism and the paranormal of a being or object which is created through spiritual or mental powers, basically he fabricated his sister in his mind) Even after death, he was followed by his sisters influence because of the whole "100 friends" thing. All Korekiyo is known if for his incest relationship, and the "Seesaw" effect joke. I'm not saying that it was bad, I'm just saying I wished they gave more attention to Korekiyo's dilemma *Spoilers* And even with the whole "Danganronpa doesn't exist, it's just a TV show, you are fake, everything about you is fake" I still would have loved to see some character development where Korekiyo can break free from his sisters influence and see what his sister did was wrong and that he is his own person and that he was abused.