Only One Makes It - GMC Hummer EV vs Ford Lightning vs The World’s TOUGHEST Towing Test! 

Rivian has defeated the Hummer Ev on so many levels, why not a Ford Lighting vs Rivian Truck

Put me on team hummer.

Don't get me started.. world toughest towing?? This is the world weakest truck ever... Thanks!!

@@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453 they don't have a Rivian yet. Once Rivian releases the Max Pack they will have another EV that can do the round trip with no charging. Silverado should have no issue either.

Well, the Hummer and GM do really help out Magna, since the Hummer has nearly double the battery size. Shocking or ironic that the HummerEV is the Hummer of the EV world LOL. The worst possible efficiency. About half that of the Lightning.

It’s completely unrealistic

Good thing we live in a free country with a free market with countless options to choose from…

Yep. The market will dictate this unless the government gives more money away to force these on us

You are right on the money. They are not ready for prime time.

Cool story

I had a Mach-E with 300 mile range and drove 168 miles daily to and from work. Summer was fine but I could not make it to and from work with the heat on if the temperature dropped below 20 degrees (F) at 100% charge to start the day. Had to stop and charge a number of times heading home from work.

With snow tires

Spoiler, it will use more energy, especially if they turn on the heat.

@@jl4018 Pre-heating while still plugged in at home will help with this. If you unplug, then start car it has to drink some battery to heat from freezing up to optimal battery temp and cabin temp. Preheating will let you do this from the wall and save that battery for actual driving.

@@joshportelli it’ll help but also will lead the the battery going bad faster. Batteries don’t like to be plugged in while being used. Depending on how much you do it you could significantly cut the life of the battery down

Engineers do better testing. Users do better REPORTING.

What the engineers report back to the manufacturer only matters if the manufacturer says it matters. The same goes for what they tell their customers.

Sorry but definitely not true. The tests cover many more hours in many more conditions with much more data accounted for

@@sammccarthy6835 Which is interesting, because Ford released this EV truck in this state, for certain knowing its limitations.

@@kevindavis5966 yeap, not every truck owner needs to tow, it doesn't make it a worthless truck. This is a limitation of current battery technology, not at the fault of Ford. Still a great truck, just for different purposes.

200% more stressful than a fossil fueled vehicle for certain

Imagine what it was like driving a car in America before there was a gas station every 10 feet. That's why people preferred horses.

@@codyfyfe 😂

@@codyfyfe imagine needing 30+ minutes to fill up a passenger vehicle.

@@tonycrabtree3416 as the tech is more readily available, that's going to change. I remember i used to plug my phone in overnight to charge. Now it takes about 30 minutes.

For now…hehehehe….

@@BillLaBrie The people in politics wanting to ban ice cars will just get voted out when the time comes.

@@fastfreeks absolutely. There's no way the millionaires of the country will allow their car fleets to become obsolete.

@@fastfreeks Ahh. I see. Voting. Yes. Right-o!

@@redrock861 Ban won’t apply to them. Just to people like you.

What about when the battery gets a few years on it.

@@ruds2600 exactly. This ain't ready for this kind of transportation. At best EV is only local commuter use at this time.

Lets hope TFL does that! Really curious how much it actually drops.

@@ruds2600 can't sell it..

Resale value on EV Pickup Trucks will be terrible. A diesel with 200,000 miles on it will probably have more value than a 5 year old Ford Lightning.

They really do have fun with this. It shows! :D

Good point

I certainly wouldn't have bought my lightning platinum had I planned on using it anywhere but locally. It's not as much a range problem as it is there's not enough working charging stations.

There would only be one truck in the test. The Hummer has a 7500 # towing capacity. The trailer was 6100#. My RZR is about 2000# Add a family and gear water etc. another 2000#. that is about total capacity for the Ford and way over for the Hummer.

Weight has very little effect on and EV at highway cruise speeds. Weight affects the energy used on acceleration much more. Rolling resistance increase only. Aerodynamic drag is the main key variable. You could easily see that in their miles per KW/hr efficiency ratings being very close with the hummer 1000 Kg heavier.

just shows you how much gasoline pollutes.

@@user-hd8ej8yx9p And the mining and production of battery materials don't?

24 hrs of a coal burning powerplant to climb a mountain towing a trailer. Derrrrrr

If EV’s were really that great the market would naturally take us there. If government has a hand in their implementation you can rest assured it’s a scam.

@@user-hd8ej8yx9p except the gas and electricity consumed are not 1:1 consumed

Video induced.. as they played doomy music and were voicing concerns.. they passed by charging stations.

Many charging stations. There's no problems with anxiety other than self induced anxiety. With about 250- 300 miles per charge on average, where would you go within your state with fear of running out of juice?

@@a675432100 lol. like 90 towing.

@@a675432100 250-300/? Divide by 3

@@a675432100 anxiety is technically all self induced…but people want the ability to take their vehicle on a long road trip or tow something if only 1-2 a year..I love how all the EV fanboys try to convince everyone what their needs are

And they WON'T do that comparison... nor the comparison at -10. nor with those trailers LOADED !

Right. I'm about to drive Eisenhower tunnel and Vail pass in a couple days elk hunting. 2002 7.3L Powerstroke won't even know it's loaded up. 👍🏻

But you would look at your fuel gauge?

@@jtlanden9771 good luck! Cant wait to book an Elk hunt to CO!

@@grizzlyman329 the fuel gauge doesn't tank in a matter of minutes like the battery gauges do.

I was a bit surprised at that as well. Toy haulers are kryptonite for half tons when they are unloaded - way too much weight distributed up front, even if the trailer's overall weight is well within spec. I know these EV's curb weights are nothing like a half ton's, but their payload is still more comparable to an HT than an HD.

Agreed it seems strange since it has air suspension. My parents range rover has air suspension and tows nice and flat.

That hummer is wagging alot! It did not look like a confident towing with that truck

@@hyperducky a toy hauler like that after propane and batteries is pushing 900-1000 tongue. Seeing as the hummer has 1300 payload it’s most likely over its RAWR

@@doubled8247 they really should have been using a weight distribution hitch setup properly for this test

They need to use the cruise on the gas and diesel models and they will find they hold the speed as well.

@@bryanhersman4037 After having used it myself, I've been pushing for this for a while now.

Should include the full recharge time in the test

@@bryanhersman4037 I wouldn't recommend that. While most modern ICE vehicles would certainly shift gears to attempt to maintain speed, a lot of them will also apply the brakes. That might result in the brakes being used all the way down the Ike unless there is a brake temperature override in the software. This could result in a total loss of brakes and/or the brakes catching fire. Much safer in this situation to manually apply and release the brakes with a cool down period in between.

@@davidthompson4489 I think it depends more if they have hill descent control. Most modern trucks/vehicles will have that as standard. I had it on my 2018 Sierra 1500, and my wifes' 2016 Pathfinder actually has it as well.

For 100K this is absolutely garbage.

I'm keeping my 392 hemi charger too....

LMAO !!! Well said.

I'm just surprised your dodge hasn't rusted away yet

A no brainer, good choice

12 valve Cummins all day long

Ice baby

Current ev tech is simply not there yet for towing

Grow some stones and deal with it.

Charging an EV with a trailer isn't there yet either. I use a diesel with an aux tank and I can fill 1400 miles of range in less then 10 minutes on the commercial side of a truck stop. I do think electric is the future, just not yet.

@@goldengooch1867 Why should we have to deal with it? Electric trucks are practically useless for towing. I'm sticking with my Ford Expedition.

I have a problem with this "have to" stuff. We shouldn't ever be told what to drive or how to power our vehicles. It's a free country, They aren't elected to do this kind of decision making. I don't get why we are letting it happen. All the money spent now or in the future won't put a dent in the climate as we are only 2% of the land mass on this Earth. It's a waste of hard earned money. We are the only ones on this fantasy tour.

With a 40 mph headwind towing a box trailer, one of these EV trucks could go dead in less than 50 miles, even in the flatlands !!

Not long enough.

Why? Just to see them go less miles. Only a dumb ass would go camping in an EV. No wait a dumb ass would not even make it to the camp site, so no worries.

Just reduce by 40% or so.

And oudoor recharge - does outside temp affect batteries being charged? Or do they have warming mats to keep them warm in low temps?

@@birdlady2725 I am sure they have warmers but that in itself eats battery.

EVs ARE NOT WORTH YOUR TIME

And run the same test with these same trucks in 10 years. Or 20 years.

Not only will the temperature have an effect on the battery, but use of climate control drastically reduces ev range.

Yup, I'll get 20mpg at 75 mph, but almost 30mpg at 60mph

If you're waiting for them batteries to charge I don't think you're saving any time.

Count me OUT of the EV Convo. I've hauled my show horses with my LQ trailer across the country many times. You'll NEVER see me driving one of these 'trucks'. My Chevy crew cab dually never left me stranded or out of juice and my horses were comfortable, not sitting in the stifling hot and humid trailer, waiting hours to recharge. Great informative video tho. Good job. Let me just say, I'm so happy I moved out of California. NO ONE tells me what I can or can't drive👎

@@mobility63 California isn't telling anyone what they can or can't drive. They are simply not allowing new, ICE-only vehicle sales after a certain date; only BEV, PHEV and HEV. However, California residents can still own, buy and sell used ICE-only vehicles within CA, or buy new ICE-only from another state and license in CA.

@@mobility63 California is glad you are gone, they don't need more people misrepresenting changes.

ICE ICE Baby!

Exactly

I think gas is more efficient

It is 0% efficient when it leaves you stuck in traffic due to software bugs. Also 0% efficient when having to stop during your day to charge. Perhaps the efficiency measurement should also include a loss of personal productivity metric due to charging times.

@@ocrapo9327 facts dont care what you think. Evs are more efficient. Theyre still shit though.

Did a place to unhook camper, drive to charging station then go back and hook up to camper… Repeat every hour until you reach destination. Sounds like fun lol.

Until recently everyone had a fossil vehicle how long does it take to find a free pump to fill your ICE?

You just roll into a pump. Since it takes 5-10 min to fill up, the pump isn’t occupied. There are going to be awful lines for these chargers. How many videos have you seen where there is one good charger, and the rest are no good? Looks like fun, I’m not participating.

@@JAMESWUERTELE I do not need to watch a video, I have had my own EV for over 30 months. We had one 8 stall Tesla supercharger full and one 50 kWh charger. So 30 months of ownership and have actually only waited once for 5 minutes, the other time we just drove on to another charger.

@@JAMESWUERTELE more like 3 minutes unless you're driving a semi truck

@@JAMESWUERTELE The profit margins on EV chargers is much higher than selling fossil fuels and there is no need for staff on site.

In 2008, lithium-ion batteries had a volumetric energy density of 55 watt-hours per liter; by 2020, that had increased to 450 watt-hours per liter.

So you don't have 8 hours to sit around charging every hundred miles?? Haha

@@JOShaugh87 Right? I'm not sure why someone would willingly pay more money to buy one of these electric trucks, only to further inconvenience themselves. Because the reality is that EVs are not as environmentally friendly as some people hold them out to be.

@@josephg41 100% all the emissions required to mine the raw materials & manufacture the batteries FAR outweigh the benefits of these things. They kind of said it in this video these fully charged are the equivalent of our trucks with 4 gallons in the tank. Sure my gas powered truck might take a bit longer to get to 60, especially with a heavy trailer... but lets to a drag race to 300 miles lol. I am not against EVs by any means but have zero interest until they can go as many miles as somebody can drive in 24 hours while towing on a single charge.

@@JOShaugh87 Yeah and I want 1500hp, awd, carbon fiber wheels, all carbon fiber body, and all for 20k. I mean be realistic. 24 hours....bwahaha. If you tow 24 hours a day why are you even looking at this video? I love how many EV haters complain about everything but have zero interest in buying one. So don't worry about it. Geezzz. 24 hours on a single charge towing.....bwahaha....bwahaha....bwahaha...bwahaha...lololol

@@jostrander71 If you see my other comment I am not an EV hater at all. I drive a half ton truck, I don't tow every single day with it but I do sometimes... What I said is that these EVs represent a good start but are no where near being a practical alternative to gas/diesel powered vehicles. They are also just as bad or worse for the environment than their crude oil burning brethren. Loading, Temperature, Battery age all change constantly and it would honestly cause a lot of anxiety. The sad reality is that the battery technology is just not there yet, which this test proved. If somebody never left a 100 mile loop and would be happy plugging in their vehicle every day, which uses the same amount of electricity as a whole house air conditioner then good for them. I would be interested in an EV when they could go 750-1000 miles on a charge and be able to tow more than a couple hundred miles.

It won’t be any better

Those trucks will be recycled by then.

5 years from now. New trucks will tow 300 miles and charge in 10 to 15 min.

@@fatboy19831 pipe dream fantasy. those numbers will never be seen. ev is a failure, just like the psychos demanding everyone gets one

@@Mr.Thermistor7228 the 114 k 9000 pound 200 kw battery Hummer pick up has an 360 mile range. It can tow a 6000 pound box trailer 165 miles with 25 miles of range left in the real world TODAY. In 2022. First generation. If I told you in 2012 that you could buy A 65” 4k Color TV that weighs less than 30 pounds for $300. You would say that is impossible. That is normal in 2022. Electric trucks are here to stay. So many people that would never own a gas truck are waiting Patiently for electric trucks. They are advancing far faster than gas trucks. I along with 2 million other people are waiting on the Cybertruck.

I think these vehicles would have done a much better job without towing, but yeah. Currently if you want to do a truck's job you're still better off with ICE. There are probably ways of increasing battery charge but I'm not sure what the point of battery complexity vs the charge rate balance out. Who knows, if you increase the charge you might also decrease the range. I don't know enough about batteries to know what might be the hold ups.

Yes agree, not yet ready for long time towing. The hummer charges super fast, but you need to find the proper charger. The hummer performance is paining the cyber truck in a good light: hummer battery capacity with Tesla's supercharging network could lead to a top adventure vehicle.

I didn't even realize you have to unhook your trailer to charge your EV

Even with high-powered charging stations, "refueling" an EV takes a lot longer than just throwing in some gas or diesel fuel. Most refueling with gas or diesel takes about 15 minutes, including going to the restroom and grabbing a snack. Reports are that with the fastest electric recharge stations, it takes around 45 minutes to get an 80% charge.

EV tech is great for commuting, but not great for towing due to the battery capacity. The Ford lightning 131Kwh battery is equal to 3.88 gallons of gas and the hummer 212 Kwh battery is equal to 6.29 gallons of gas. They are very efficient when just commuting under there own load. The problem with EVs is when you get to high load situations like performance runs or towing, because at the end of the day you only have that 3-6 gallons of gas of potential energy. EVs are more efficient at using that energy, but a trailer still takes energy to move. The cool thing is though. If these truck use 1 Kwh per Mile that is still the equivalent of 33 mpg while towing. (24.33mpg by one of the data screens I saw). Battery capacity just has to massively improve. I figure 250-350Kwh for a car and 450-600Kwh for a truck.

It really is a great service these guys do testing all these different trucks so we can see the downsides and upsides of each one

That and having to wait for a charger. It’s coming.

@@JAMESWUERTELE you all have know idea................. will not be good... but with the political scenes changing soon it will all be settled down and the big companies will have to go back to serving the public, their customers, vs the FU**ed government we have now....

I mean listen bro, if you tow 5 Miles at a time, it's actually great except these vehicles cost way to much to justify only being able to tow short distances in town without having to charge. If you make 4ish deliveries per day 10ish Miles each way, then if it costed less it would be worth it. But since it costs more than a vehicle that can tow across the country without having to charge for hours all along the way way too often, they just aren't reasonable if your asking me. Not even close

@@JAMESWUERTELE and the reliability, and the convenience, and the charge time, and the electronics malfunctioning, and the practicality, and the cost of the vehicle, and the repair cost, and I'm sure there is many many more.

@@no19th Reliability is the one thing that EVs have massively in their favor. Only one moving part in the entire engine, instead of hundreds in an ICE. There's just nothing there to break, and standard maintenance is massively reduced too.

Well, we got our Lariat for $84k, and it still is faster than my Mustang GT. Or pretty much anything else up to it's price point. I like ours, so far. Brave new world. We traded in a Powerboost for it, which was a great compromise, but not nearly as fun to drive or as good for day to day driving and utility in town, and out to our farm, 35 miles out of town. We were putting thousands of $$$ into gas in it, which will now be kW @ .10/kW charged at home, with half our power coming from solar as well. The Powerboost was $68k, when new, not a Lariat, didn't have cooled seats, so for $16k difference, we have a truck that does almost everything we want it to do, and should catch up in fuel/maint savings pretty quickly. We'll see.

And gas will drop with less demand, unless is taxed by government

Well at the super chargers yes. At home I think no

With tesla superchargers I don’t think so 😬 0.21 per kw i can charge my model 3 with less than $10 bucks 😂😂 (i live in a apartment complex I don’t have place to charge in home)

@@Story_Teller_Everyone No, home charging will be more than a super charger. This is because homes get a discount till they hit X amount used for the month then switch over to a higher tier rate. In my area it jumps 3.5 time and you have to stay at that rate for 3 months. I know this because my neighbor has hit it twice in the last 3 years charging their Tesla. You also have to understand that once EV's reach 20% market share the demand on the Electric grid will force the power companies to start rationing. This will cause pike charging time rates to go up to stop people from all charging at the same time. You can't move demand from one energy type to another and the new energy type hold the same unit price. This happened in the 90's/00's with propane and the up tick in conversion vehicles.

@@jminaya90 This was only my opinion but I do not believe that for one minute. The monopoly will be in place and prices will soar. Imagine the carbon emissions from mining, transporting, manufacturing, installing, what to do with them once they fail, and developing infrastructure . I’m pretty sure they will not be using electric powered mining equipment, freighters, etc… 🤣

You might know Lithium batteries like to avoid being fully discharged or fully charged if maximum lifespan is the goal. The Chevy Volt charge cycle is something like 20-80%, never above or below. How would the uninformed customer feel about that if they didn't understand why?

@@adamhulu6171 Well those Prius Primes, as an example, have a 8.8Mw/h battery but Toyota really let's you use 6 to 6.5ish of those and the rest isn't used for battery life reasons. The percentage you see is a percentage of that usable range they allow you to use.

You haf to axe for it!!🤷🏻‍♂️

Like another 20-30 years

@@sk8777kid1 by then hydrogen will overtake it

@@sk8777kid1 😂im still holding to my original opinion EVs will NEVER top even 50% of the auto industry. Especially if the dumb GOV doesnt pull a Cali law and outlaw combustion engines. Good luck Cali hahaha ill stick with my Diesel Cummins

I agree EVs do have a long way to go but clearly they can’t make it there without having to charge multiple times lol . See what I did there . I made a punny

And will likely never get there

Yup... and you'll find that the charging cost at EV stations is often worse than just running on gasoline. I went on vacation in my PHEV... One charging station charged $0.25/kWh which meant AT BEST it would be equivalent to $4/gal...while gas cost $3.60/gal. I did find some FREE chargers though!

Info Wars said so!

Yeah I would agree that would be fun to add to the video. 🍦

I live on the south coast of Western Australia. There is no way it is feasible to tow a caravan in country WA with either of these vehicles. Quite apart from the fact that the price in Australia is likely to exceed $AU200k. Banning internal combustion engine towing vehicles will kill the caravan industry stone dead.

@@bruiser6479 Hi there from Sydney, yep it sure will kill the caravan and "grey nomad" touring if there are no non EV's in the coming future, as the "big" island of Australia is the same size as the 48 states of America (not Alaska & Hawaii) however the difference is in Australia subtract a human head count of 310 million people & the infrastructure to go with that extra "dose" of population so with a mere 25million people , not 335million people in the SAME size land mass how on earth could we ever facilitate enough charge points to go travelling anywhere you want to. EXAMPLE if you charge ANY current EV at the last of the public charge points to my rural property you WILL NOT MAKE IT to my front door, you will run out of charge by nearly 100 kilometres (60miles) . EV's are just turds for Aussie rural use. I have a 1972 & 1974 pair of righthand drive GM-Holden Aust' built Cadillac Fleetwood Broughams with the long range export spec 40gallon/180 litre fuel tanks these giant 501 cubic inch, or 8.2 litre v8's give easy 20+ mpg fuel use on open roads which give in "old money" 800 miles travel per tank. you can drive from Sydney to Brisbane, or to Melbourne without having to stop unless for a toilet. EV's WILL NEVER DO THIS they are JUNK! To Melbourne minimum of 4 stops in an EV to charge the sucker up, if heading to Brisbane make it 5 charge-ups as a minimum how annoying having to hang around killing time waiting and waiting and waiting for the turd EV to charge up so that's HALF the travel time in my petrol-powered cars. Plus, I have now owned my immaculate Black '74 Fleetwood for just gone 40 years, bought with 102,000ks on it, I have added a further 602,000ks, so now 704,00k's of abject reliability and with loving maintenance this is on its original engine, pure quality. What EV and at what price is capable of that?? NONE

Lol….well, this definitely reinforced how worthless Tyler found the Lightning to be

Hoovies... lol, that is not much of a serious channel compared to TFL.

watch the Hoovies garage episode about the backlash to his Lighting towing test. . . .it's a joke about a misinformed comment made by Alex Jones about his RU-vid channel

Enjoy the next gasoline spike.

You must do a lot of long trips regularly.

Me too 😆

Yes. They cannot explain why they refuse to use cruise control going downhill with vehicles with diesel brakes. Makes me question their motives.

First generation. 5 years from now you won’t even comprehend this test.

@fatboy19831 counting chickens before they hatch. Entire power grid needs overhauled for everyone to have an ev. And with the way politicians are going, evs will probably be mandatory.

@@nfsfanAndrew that is total BS. The same thing was said about air conditioning and refrigerators. We went to the moon. We can figure out how to charge electric cars. The grid is a dinosaur sure with or without electric cars. New homes will have microgrids with charging infrastructure in place. Batteries don’t just use energy. They store energy. You can charge 70kw off-peak. Provide 10kw during peak time and get paid for it. Just one of many ways electric cars can support the grid.

@@fatboy19831 Thats what they said 5 years ago lol. Were a decade+ from EV's being viable enough to replace ICE's in every application. EV's are best to commute short trips around a city.

@@junkiexl86 my tesla 3 is 5 years old. I have driven it cross-country with zero problems. I can drive up to 270 miles on a single charge. My car charges 40% faster than when it was new through updated software and 250 kW supercharger. Almost 200 miles in less than 20 min. I have 20 superchargers in two locations less than 10 min from my home. My sister has over 80. It has cost me nothing but a set of tires in the past 85 thousand miles. Last year 85% of new cars in Norway where electric. Around 30% in England and Germany. %4 in the Us in 2021 up from less than 1% back in 2018. 2022 is maxed out by production capacity. 2 million of us are waiting for the Tesla cybertruck. Ford stop taking orders for the electric F150 after 200,000 orders. Soon Tesla will open its fantastic supercharger network to all-electric cars. By the end of 2024 even in the middle of a recession at least 1 million electric cars will be sold in the Us. Electric charging options will double. The time is now. My sister drove my 3 one time and purchased a Tesla Y electric. She is spending the holidays with her son in Kansas. She drove there from Dc in her Y in zero-degree weather.

It is not just the Hummer, My (on order) VW ID4 weighs exactly the same as my new Frontier PRO-4 X!

It’s literally the same weight as a full sized Cummins dodge

I wonder why there isn't an electricity guzzling tax if their is a gas guzzling tax. Seems like their should be and if not there should be no gas guzzling tax either. Since it's unfair uneven playing field, it creates anticompetitive market because electric cars get comfortable with government handouts helping them but government punishments crippling the competition. In the long run this isn't good for competition and advancement for either propulsion methods tbh

@@swss12 heavier than that. A 3/4 ton cummins weighs just over 7,000lbs. Maxes at 7400lbs. My titan XD weighs 7400lbs also. That hummer weighs over 9k! Thats a 2500 Ram plus a full payload!

@@TheAnnoyingBoss good point! Those coal firing plants will be burning way more coal to keep up with the power demand once more EVs hit the road. Not to mention our power grid is already overloaded as is. I foresee massive blackouts.

If your trailer was full of the items you actually need you wouldn’t be able to skip any charging stations instead of being able to skip just one. Pathetic.

Spoiler, it would use alot more energy

I mean… all they did was record this lol. I don’t see any special screenplay/cinematics at work here

because efficiency calculators will make a difference in their miserable towing range.

Yep, we need to get rid of kW ratings on chargers, they're almost all Amp limited before Watt limited. Or at least put both a max Watt and current rating. 400V class cars get about half the rated kW rating in most cases.

Lol, restaurants must love EVs.

Nice to see someone with real world ownership experience chime in. Instead of the usual crowd arguing over charts and theoreticals.

@@foellerd for real brother. But seriously that cafe’s coffee cake is addictive.

You are 100% correct. I wish the EV haters understood what you were saying. The EVs don't fit every niche, but they sure cover a large portion of the truck owner segment.

Delusional 😂. Costs 6 times more to get one of these for the proper job. You sound like a guy that doesn’t use their car to work… we have to be realistic not a fan boi

@@bloatedtonydanza7798 100,000 miles at 14 mpg on $4.40 gas is $31,500. The electricity to drive the same in one of these trucks is less than $7500. Plus the near zero maintenance. So take whatever HD truck you're looking at and add $27-30k to the price for the first 100k over the EV.

@@otm646 Thanks for running the numbers. Another point is that toy haulers are emotional purchases, fleet managers tend to be much more TCO-focused.

In a heartbeat

Why would you need a truck for DD if you already have one for HD? Wouldn't a car be more sensible?

Yeah, it's $114,000 !

But no middle class citizen can afford one

@@windlinewatersports yes, very true

you must be fun to be around on the road

And if you drive 2 mph in a foam rubber car you'll almost never have an accident... but you'll die of old age before you get where you're going

It also demonstrates how horrible lithium is for energy density compared to gas.

But it did. It's a showcase vehicle for the Ultium platform. The Silverado and Sierra EV's will be more direct competition to the Lightning.

It would probalby break down halfway up. Jeep is just a fancy way to spell Junk.

Still had 8% left... so closer to 180/190.

Bring some solar panels, if you get stuck, a weeks charge might get you an extra mile or two down the road

Charging to an arbitrary battery % is useless as they have different size batteries. The correct test is time it takes to reach a certain range gained from charging.

Cup & Cone 1 hour ago "Charging to an arbitrary battery % is useless as they have different size batteries." Yup. Right. In a *comparison* sense, you're correct....it would make little sense to compare vehicles in this manner since the ford should win easily by dint of it's smaller battery. In the comparison you propose, it would be a proxy for efficiency, perhaps a great COMPARISON to make. But what I suggest would be useful to INFORM people what kind of times they could be looking at at typical charge times to get to using their vehicles range. It would be EDUCATIONAL, since most of us don't drive electric vehicles, Don't have a vehicle to compare it against? Still the information of time till you're functionally fully charged/enjoy full range is a nice metric to help people learn more about the pros/cons of electric vehicles.

Most people confuse Range miles that manufactures claim with how many miles they can drive between chargers. An EV with 300 miles range means the owner will be stopping every 170 miles give or take since it would be foolish driving an EV below 30%. May be an accident and long rural detour, or EV chargers out of order. Gas stations are at practically every exit and it only requires 3 minutes to refuel so most travelers seldom drop below half a tank.

Would be better to measure to 70-80%. It's rare to charge to 90% at a DC Fast charger because charge rate tapers off fairly quickly once the battery gets to somewhere around 70-80% (Varies by battery). The Hummer EV charge rate peaks at over 300 kW so assuming it averages closer to 200kW I would expect about 45 minutes to go from 10% to 80%. This would add about 245 miles of regular driving range or about 130 miles of "towing" range based on the consumption numbers shown at the end of this video. Another way to look at it: For every 2 hours of towing you'd need to stop and charge for 45 minutes. Not great... but certainly doable if you typically just tow short distances occasionally.

The biggest reason that you can’t get to 90% is the batteries get too hot and then the charger shuts off. The quicker you charge or discharge ANY battery the hotter it gets and when the temperature reaches a certain point the built in safety system won’t let you charge anymore. Also when a battery gets hotter it wants to charge more. If you ever charged a 12 volt battery with a big battery charger that doesn’t cut back power when it’s almost done charging the voltage goes up and the electrolyte starts boiling you can ruin the battery in a hurry.

Time is money. People gladly pay extra for the convenience of saving time. EVs have it backwards, they cost a premium and waste time having to recharge

In 1832 Robert Anderson developed the first electric vehicle but wasn't until the 1870's or later that they became practical. So it was tried before. Like they say nothing new under the sun, it has all been done before.

@@garyburkhardt8874 not sure this is completely pertinent to my statements. Let's just say that development was mothballed to the point that it remains primitive.

Granted that the technology will get better, but that will take time. If the government would stop shoving EV's down our throats and trying to force everyone into owning one, the natural evolution wouldn't be so rough. Let people drive what they want to drive. If EV's one day become a viable "live with it everyday " option then even the most die hard ICE vehicle supporter would probably switch voluntarily.

@@BadCornflakes I think there will always be a device between gasoline and electric fans. Regardless, it took one modern company to force people to take electric cars seriously. Tesla. Not the government. And he has made believers out of a lot of people and forced legacy car manufacturers to leave their comfort zones. This is only the beginning.

On forklifts I read of using dead weight steel blocks they put batteries for counterweights

I agree with everything you are saying besides that Colorado is a very expansive state and mostly untouched with our infrastructure, as compared to New Jersey/ New York/California. Where you could find infrastructure anywhere or build new chargers within 10-20 miles of wherever you are trying to go.

@@chasemorgan2788 As a far norcal native, I have to disagree with you lol

@@chasemorgan2788 as one who has driven all over the country for the last 12 years, the distance given from any remote point in Colorado to a point of civilization is less than being in a remote part of CA and possibly even parts of the North East. Maybe not a individual state but there is alot of undeveloped country in NY, PA. Now if you want to talk where I live in nevada 100 to 200 miles between towns is normal and your up and down mountains the whole time. Unlike most states east of the rockies where you have a pass and then it's flat. Pretty much just driving west of the rockies would kill a light duty EV when towing I would think.

It would not be stressful because u could do it in an EV!

Only if youre an airhead

I highly doubt the price will drop in the future.. Look at gasoline cars for example, they have not gotten cheaper as technology advances, but have doubled to tripled in price!

@@daveyjones369 Yeah I like the fact also that when the Gov started rebates again mysteriously a lot of the manufacturers raised their prices by the same amount as the rebate.

Only for now. Like gas cars when they were first starting out, this too, will continue to improve over time

@@realshnx the cars still don't have enough range and take too long to charge

@@realshnx This technology can only improve as much as the power grid and the most power grids are 30+ years behind so no, it won't improve much.

I think you're confused on what the Tesla semi is designed for. There's a large portion of the segment that's not running all the way across the country. A lot of these semi trucks are doing milk runs back and forth that are less than a couple hundred miles. That's niche the Tesla semi is going to fill. I worked for the steel company that made the same 210 mile run 2 times a day every single day with a fleet of 7 trucks. The Tesla semi would be perfect for that type of application.

@@otm646 What is your idea of "prefect", that it can just do it? In that case, a regular diesel is "prefect" times 3, because they can do the route 3 times in one tank.

@@AkioWasRight A tank that's much more expensive to fuel, and the maintenance/upkeep of the Diesel truck over time will be far more expensive than the EV Semi.

@@Nebula1701 It depend on the cost of fuel vs electricity. For me here in California, it actually cost more to charge per mile than it does fuel the equivalent diesel, because electricity here is insanely expensive. Also, maintenance is always expensive for diesel, but it becomes inexpensive relative to the cost premium of an EV. I mean, some of these "Long" Range electric commercial trucks are 2-4x the price a of the equivalent diesel truck. Unless you do a lot of driving with very cheap electricity, you'll never makeup the cost anywhere. Even if the diesel truck caught fire driving away from the dealer after buying it new, you'd still be ahead with the diesel truck.

@@AkioWasRight when you are buying fleets EVs will out perform against ICE for maintenance costs and save companies money. You have regular maintenance on ICE vehicles that is just not done with EV. Upfront costs can easily be negated over the life of the vehicles and Fleets keep them for years.

Ya, better in everyway except energy density. And everyone in the world is working to improve that too.