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Oof! Mercedes’ Driver Assistance System Has A Rough Time In Our Hogback ADAS Challenge

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Kyle and Jordan hop in a brand new Mercedes GLS 450 4MATIC with the maximum level of driver assistance available in this model. Let's see how it does in the Hogback!
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@philorgneopolotin8762 2 года назад

This series is seriously awesome. Driver assistance softwares seem to be the one thing reviewers are almost completely ignoring nowadays. Nearly all of them are brushed off as being “good enough” or “just as good as the rest” without any honest breakdowns of their capabilities or shortcomings. This series is sorely needed. I am looking forward to seeing how Hyundai’s HDA2, Ford’s blue cruise, Tesla’s FSD and Volvo’s pilot assist perform here. As these systems become more advanced I’d reckon they’ll start to become a major factor in why consumers choose certain brands over others. And as someone who just got a driver assistance capable car, I cannot overstate just how invaluable these systems are to daily commutes and road trips. They’re absolute game changers

@nothere572 2 года назад

I’d also love to see GM SuperCruise

@ajayalfred 2 года назад

Audi too

@DouglasJMark 2 года назад

Thanks Kyle. One more issue to include in these tests is whether or not ADAS software updates (OTA of dealer) are included. If what you see now is all you'll ever get, then many if not most would be disappointed given how some do this. Thank-you.

@Wised1000 Год назад

The system behaves the same in all MB's. It was the same in my E43 and in my present EQS.Its limitations are built in. The self steering is very limited. If the exit does not have hash marks, it can drive into the exit. The best is how well it follows and how well it brakes. Unlike Tesla, there is no BS to the system. It does exactly what it claims. AND, it doesn't plow into objects that are parked...... Lest we forget, Mercedes has the only autonomous full self driving system certified for any road in the world..... in Germany. And even that one is a highway only, slow speed affair. Finally, the 450 is very nice, but doesn't hold a candle to the 580 with electropneumatic suspension.

@greenne 2 года назад

Kyle...my kudos to you for finding a niche that is not widely reported on elsewhere and following thru. As a scientist, I appreciate your approach and effort to keep things consistent and not subjective. Looking forward to future tests. ADAS is a feature not reported on as much as it should be

@Mr-eGolf 2 года назад

I don’t know why but I LOVE these test haha I never think I’m gonna make it through the video but I always end up watching it all

@Endorion_YTC 2 года назад

I own this car and it's a beautiful vehicle. Got tons of compliments and the Distronic Assist is superb on the highway for crusing. The interior is really best in class though it's the same as the GLE.

@AnonymousFreakYT 2 года назад

On the "driver out of commission" test, you have mentioned previously that it would be good if vehicles actually pulled off the road rather than just stop in the lane - you should probably find a spot to test that has a shoulder - in this test, even if the car supported it, it wouldn't be able to because there was no shoulder on that road. Just barrier.

@ratukamina 2 года назад

A comma 3 device in a compatible regular car will really give you a hands free experience in that scenario apart from tugging the wheel for lane change.

@hirtisrandolph4843 2 года назад

Hello and welcome back to Out of Spec Reviews... This is Steve from Kansas. We saw him shuffling around outside of a bar and decided to bring him along for the trip. Say "Hi", Steve.

@xrotaryguy 2 года назад

Clarification on Kyle's Mitsubishi trivia. The Mitsubishi Diamante WAS available in the US (saw one a few months ago) but its lidar/camera-based adaptive cruise was not.

@DiscoveryOwners 2 года назад

I enjoy these immensity! Your testing has validated my Tesla MY order, worth the additional $12,500 over the Kia Ioniq 5 to me just for the much better ADAS capabilities. Long time subscriber and fan.

@roboticvenom1935 2 года назад

worth $13k over? LMFAO, ain't even got ventilated seats, no carplay or android auto, worse interior. uglier

@marceloramos2488 2 года назад

Great series; same exact test for diferent cars. Keep up the good work. I had been looking for a good review on the driver assistance for the GLS, this video answers all my questions. Please test the Cadillac Escalade if possible.

@grbashour 11 месяцев назад

Adaptive cruise control is adjustable in settings.

@misccarvids 2 года назад

Are there different systems available in different models? Because I remember being in a EQS and it had much more advanced driving visualizations, a lot like Tesla where it would show the car in front along with the cars around it, which this GLS doesn’t seem to do. I didn’t try the system in the EQS but the visualization difference makes me think that it might have a newer system.

@roboticvenom1935 2 года назад

eqs is more advanced

@Jacobofski 5 месяцев назад

Great watching this video. I'm buying a new Mercedes Maybach GLS 600. Now I know what to expect.

@voltspc9394 2 года назад

I hope you do NOA on a tesla, you did basic autopiolt but the code is very different in how it steers and the lane changes are a good thing to look at, also eventually FSD once its brought to highways

@roboticvenom1935 2 года назад

yeah the tesla system is honestly underwhelming for their time in the field, they're being overtaken

@Wised1000 2 года назад

Compared to the previous version on the GLS the new one doesn't drive much better but it complains a lot more. In the previous system it wouldn't chime when it lost tracking (a little dangerous) now it chimes every time it does which is annoying. In general its a fair weather system. In fact where it does best is at night when the lines have much better contrast.

@sakapole Год назад

Wonderful germans cars for excepcionals germans roads (Autobahn). In Nurburgring you have to drive yourself. In a couple of weeks I will recieve my GLS 400d 330 HP 700Nm torque. Great video, greetings from Spain.

@Ficon 2 года назад

Left curve next to a concrete barrier at 55 mph is the perfect place for ADAS to not keep up.

@josephmuzio Год назад

Really good job. More manufacturers pls. Try to explain the differences in manufacturer/model system differences. Ie. Is the lexus system the same as Toyota...does the rav4 and prius get the same system. Are all GM versions as good as the Denali. This way we know about what to expect when cross shopping.

@CryptoJoeTrading 2 года назад

Great video Kyle! Beautiful looking SUV

@eurouc 2 года назад

Kyle: can you get the Mercedes’ EQS out for the hogback challenge?

@treborheminway3814 Год назад

Man, that incessant ping ponging in the lane would drive me nuts. No way I could road trip this system.

@gregtrigeiro8136 2 года назад

Kyle, can you test a BMW iX on your Hogback challenge? I am getting ready to put my order in for one and would like to know how it compares. Also it would be really neat to see 2 iX’s, one with rear wheel steering and one without and have a head to head comparison of the benefits of rear wheel steering.

@gregb7353 2 года назад

This should be a separate channel as the playlist isn't as easy to search. This is going to be a really good resource as you test more vehicles so it's important to make it easy to find the cars you're comparing. I find the commentary in the drive more helpful than the raw scores.

@nroose 2 года назад

It seems like someone should try to start talking about what cars should be doing rather than all the features and what they are doing. I think they should just try to help you drive more safely and do it relatively silently. If you let go, it should just try to drive safely. If you follow too close, it should slow you down. It should try to keep you in the center of the lane (except it should really hug the corner). Etc.

@ajayalfred 2 года назад

excited for this series!

@guycocoa211 2 года назад

Have you thought of putting together an EV buyer’s guide that includes objective data? I think items such as 70 mph range, charge curve, ADAS rating, expected time to complete a 600 mile trip (chose 600 because on almost all vehicles it would require at least two charging stops). When I’m in the market I would pay for access to such a guide.

@roboticvenom1935 2 года назад

teslas are the worst at real world range

@stevedowler2366 2 года назад

Hey Kyle, would you consider test driving a couple roads in SW Colorado? I've driven these a lot in ICE vehicles and will try them in my MYLR when I can. The first is Hwy 160 off I25 at Walsenburg west to Pagosa Springs. The route goes over Wolf Creek Pass at just under 11,000ft into a winding 4-lane back down to the valley. That left curve with a view straight down to the valley west is a real test. The second is Durango on Hwy 550 North over Coal Bank Pass at 10,640ft and Molas Pass at 10,910ft into Silverton and then continuing on 550 over Red Mountain Pass at 11,018ft and down into Ouray. Another left curve opening up a drop-down view of Ouray below. Some of that route is not protected by guardrails either. Might be fun.

@roboticvenom1935 2 года назад

open pilot >

@cordkretzschmar5693 2 года назад

extra point for reading the Speedlimit? Could safe Money

@noah_g 2 года назад

Could you test Subaru's new eyesight 4 system on the Hogback? I have the opportunity to take a road trip with it this summer and would like to see how it performs

@DrewPine 2 года назад

also curious to see Subaru take on the Hogback challenge; my buddy has a 2021 Crosstrek and I've been pretty impressed with that ADAS system on drives we've done together

@roboticvenom1935 2 года назад

@@DrewPine it's OK, but a bit limited. Openpilot much better, as well gm supercruise

@AnonymousFreakYT 2 года назад

And I still disagree with "driver has to correct, -1; it tells driver to take over, -2" Those seem backward. I would rather have the system alert me when I need to make input than potentially run into something without warning me. (Full disengage with no warning obviously is the worst.)

@philorgneopolotin8762 2 года назад

So I think you’re missing what the -2 actually means. It’s not just “telling you to take over” it’s the system physically shutting down, driver assistance disengaging, and leaving you completely on your own. An example would be at 30:34. With warning, but on your own. The -1 may not alert you, but that’s because the system is still on and engaged, it’s just making minor mistakes that you have to correct in the moment. There are probably _some_ scenarios where a -1 in real life _could_ be worse than a -2, but in general having the system still engaged and working is better than it just suddenly and unexpectedly shutting down in the middle of a drive. In one the system stays engaged, in the other the system disengages and leaves you on your own

@fornobu 2 года назад

this is just like old gm lane keeping just pingponging between lanes its like 8years old tech. and if you didnt get active cruise option on those cars thet dont have any sensor for driver occupancy so it goes forever until you turn it off manually!

@timsun6383 2 года назад

Actually you can see cars in the neighbor lanes if you turn this into full screen mode

@Zethuzzz 2 года назад

Has the Honda Civic video been posted yet?

@sooty8992 2 года назад

I've been watching a lot of this type of testing. And it almost like they forget it's driving assist. And not self driving. So should not be in the same category as self driving.

@ruudfalun 2 года назад

Every driver assist system should at least be capable of staying in between lane lines, else it's worthless.

@sooty8992 2 года назад

@@ruudfalun many of them do. Even if it's like a game of ping-pong it's keeping you in lane. But many of the people want to have driver assistance that dose everything for them. That's called a taxi.

@ruudfalun 2 года назад

@@sooty8992 I thought you watched the video... This is a $90k car that can't stay inside the white lines at a simple curve. That's the least you can expect from driver assistance. I'm not interested in what people want, just what I want from driving assistance and it's not what this car delivers (yet).

@joemcdonough7509 Год назад

@@sooty8992 Your argument would be valid ONLY if no other vehicle had this ability. But the technology has existed since 2015 with Tesla AP1, which can keep the vehicle dead center in the lane with no ping pongs. This was a big fail by Mercedes, who once blasted marketing campaigns about their self-driving capabilities.

@albertoleon4754 2 года назад

Do Bmw next I own an 540i and I think it does pretty well

@ronb4633 2 года назад

I heard you not give the car points for ganking the seatbelt but I could not see at all that you were wearing a seatbelt during that test. See footage at 8:40

@hirtisrandolph4843 2 года назад

The seat belt is pulling a gigantic crease along his sweater...?

@chrisak49 2 года назад

It’s a shame Mercedes never fixed the “drunk driving” or yo-yo effect on their Level 2 Autonomous driving system. I had a 2015 Mercedes and recently test drive a new model. Both had the same swinging in the lane effect.

@FordGranada75 2 года назад

Why is this car so noisy when accelerating? No pun intended, but over the past years driving electric cars I became used to the silence of the electric motors and cannot stand roaring engines anymore at all. Brings me no joy at all. Noisy is slow. For some days back in 2020 I drove a 2016 Mercedes E-Class with the most capable ADAS available back then and it felt nearly as bad as this GLS on German Autobahn.

@Mr-eGolf 2 года назад

It’s interesting I feel like the GLS lost more points due to it’s lane change assist than it gained by having it. I wonder what the test would be like if instead of using the auto lane change assist you manually changed lanes? It just seems like the lane change technology isn’t up to date

@stevedowler2366 2 года назад

That's really too bad, the way the GLS wanders about, disrespecting lane lines almost every corner it tries to negotiate. Maybe the German roads are mostly straight? No, they have mountains too. It's probably fine even better than most among the ICE SUV clan but the 2022 Model Y is far better than this just under AP and with FSD (not Beta), it handles lane changes perfectly. Even my 2018 Subaru Outback with Eyesight and StayInLane warning beeps is safer than the GLS with apparently 2 different systems arguing between themselves about lane control.

@md.raselhasan2179 2 года назад

Model x falcon door all day every day.

@RuneVenes 2 года назад

but is it eletric ?

@hirtisrandolph4843 2 года назад

It is a V6 in-line ICE, automatic turbo with a back up "EQS" electric rear-only motor that charges while driving and kicks in to smooth out acceleration until the turbo can ventilate.

@chashulme 2 года назад

Ugh, Kyle apparently has a strange definition for the word, “corner”… 😕

@manuelias86 2 года назад

I haven't watch it yet, but, SPOILERS!

@thomassullivan5911 2 года назад

Which car has best driver assist?

@cenakaze 2 года назад

so far, Tesla

@Endorion_YTC 2 года назад

The Mercedes S class. It's capable of level 3 autonomous driving. Tesla is only level 2 with software optimizations to make it "FSD" when its not even FSD yet..

@davekozlowski1266 2 года назад

@@Endorion_YTC limited to 35 MPH and only for highway correct?

@chrisak49 2 года назад

Tesla, Volvo, Genesis

@Endorion_YTC 2 года назад

@@davekozlowski1266 Nope, I tried it in urban single back roads and it worked fine. The word "READY" appears when its safe to do so. As long as the road has lane markings and solid lines from left and right for it to work.

@faridrox 10 месяцев назад

This ADAS test is kinda useless if you dont look into the hardware. In tesla everyone is talking about HW 3 or 4 and everyone is omitting tech in other brands. For mercedes you can clearly see just by looking at the cameras size that electric cars got different setup. In surprised that the tech oriented channel does not go into the tech detail when it comes to ADAS...

@henrymatthews9365 2 года назад

Your bias towards this vehicle is hilarious. Not taking over because you don't want to deduct points, letting it sit in 2 lanes while a car is on the side of you. Meanwhile your tesla videos are all scrutinized way different. This vehicles auto system at best drives like my 15 year old the first couple of months after getting her permit. Should not be trusted and needs more time to bake before putting people in danger this system is just a bad driver, and yes so was my 15 year old.

@hirtisrandolph4843 2 года назад

You are correct to be critical of the car, but the point of not early correcting is that Mercedes didn't spend 10 years marketing "self-driving" vehicles then deliver barely functional self-driving systems until the 4th gen software updates. They are an ADAS Level-1, with features seen on Level-2 driver assist system. Those features include lane-centering, which it attempts without as many cameras/radars as a Tesla. It is the first SUV of the challenge and also significantly larger than a Model X, an inch taller than the Ridgeline, with more weight on the front end and 23' tires that they've never tested on the Hogback before. If there is a smoothing factor on steering torque inputs, that is the first and most critical factor that Mercedes would need to resolve in order to make this a more advanced ADAS system, and it helps that they made a point of showing how often and how severly it fails.

@joemcdonough7509 Год назад

Mercedes ping pong, rolling over the lines would get you immediately pulled over by the state police. My 2015 Tesla system stays dead center in lanes on my 90 mile drive up Interstate 95 from Massachusetts to Maine. There is no excuse for a 2022 Model Year $100K Mercedes to not even meet the same standards as the FIRST auto pilot generation by Tesla.