Open Bar #64 - Rotten Tomatoes Busted! Disney Stock Tanks. Snow White Cancelled? 

The number of people surprised by the Rotten Tomatoes revelation should be ZERO

Id like to be the first and only one to bring up that Disney was absolutely awful to the actress who voiced the original snow white. She was not originally credited at all when the movie originally released. She was also paid next to nothing without receiving royalties. There was a missed oportunity for them swing this into a big feminist thing while alsoholding the original actress in high regard, instead they choose to roast the audience and the original. Smh

Something is rotten in the state of Tomatoes.

I still think it’s funny that the Willow series was just erased from existence because of how bad it was.

Ghostbusters 2016 is when I realised how corrupt the reviews were, it exposed the sites and reviews for caring more about politics than the quality of the movies

My respect for everyone on the panel after reaching out to John in his dark times: 📈📈📈 Wishing John happiness in life!

Disney losing money and canceling products? Oh, no. Anyway...

Drinker, So glad you got to reach out to John McGinley & help him out of his most darkest place! Cheers to you sir 🍻

Man Disney's going through a whole character arc and it's more entertaining than anything they've made in the last few years XD.

Mauler should be a guest commentator for How It Should Have Ended. Have him be the owner of the Hero Café and the Villain Pub, always behind the counter pointing things out and making sarcastic comments.

I think Drinker was noticeably (and justifiably!) shook by John's superchat, and it showed for the rest of the stream. Major props to him for how he handled it both during and after the stream. Unrelated: I could do with a little less Chris Gore filibustering.

John, hope you're still here and getting the help you need. Remember, each day is a new day, and we never know what it will bring. Keep breathing, brother. Drinker and Mauler, you both did an amazing job giving the guy a little encouragement and words of wisdom. The entire situation was handled with class, professionalism, and empathy. Cheers!

Where is Rags? Is he safe? Is he alright?

1:30:49 that collective groan of pain was extremely relatable yet so satisfying. 😂

Hope that guy is ok … now that you’ve reached out 🤞❤️🙏

Does anyone actually pay any attention to rotten tomatoes anymore, or for that matter anything mainstream on cable? Everyone I know gets that the entire system is rigged and just a bad joke.

I'd actually like to see more "blind" perspectives on the One Piece live action adaptation. As a fan of the series, I've gotta say I'm pretty relieved that Netflix didnt screw this one up. It's actually quite refreshing to see people who arent fans enjoying the live action and talking about giving the anime/manga a shot.

"Where's Luke!?" SO true! the lack of even mentioning the OG characters is pretty weird.

Ha ha ha. Chris thinks IMDB isn't rigged. Ha ha ha.

1:19:25 I disagree with Mauler here. Disney might lack the skill or the patience to set it up properly, but Thrawn's use of psychological warfare is half of what makes him such an interesting character. He's not merely a commander who finds innovative tools and exploits them to devastating effect, he uses those tools in ways that invite others to assume his capabilities are even greater. If he's not notorious in-universe then he's not doing his job.

I was pretty disappointed when I heard about the sequel to the Joker. The great atmosphere that they created in it is just not going to exist in the sequel, it just sounds like a Broadway parody Edit: Dissapointed that it was even being made. I think the first one has some important messages about depression and society's inability to help

so... with Thrawn, why so many people loved him is he was genuinely very intelligent and ruthless... The theme they set up with him was he lost because of the ambition of those who served under him which would lead them to ignore his orders and try to do their own thing which would ultimately cost them the battle. He was the embodiment of that one star trek quote of "you can do everything perfectly and still lose that isn't weakness that is life". That said, as has been pointed out many times, a character is only as intelligent as those who write them which is why he was so heavily ruined in rebels where he started making very unintelligent decisions out of nowhere like he suddenly lost his greatest trait, and in ahsoka he's now going to be completely ruined because the current star wars writing staff are completely retarded. In other words... yet another great character with amazing potential squandered and ruined by shit writing at disney.

Gore is a great guy but he does tend to filibuster a LOT; which always means less time for the other, often less well known, panelists.

1:12:48 THANK YOU, Mauler! I think Drinker had 1 too many drinks to forget an entire movie. 😵‍💫😵

Man, one of the best parts of Andor was showing how the Empire is (mostly) scary competent as well as ruthless, demonstrating why our heroes needed to be creative and lucky to win the day. But i guess it's just too hard for modern writers to think their characters out of these jams.

Here's another problem with this episode of Asohka. This is the mid season. This should have been like episode 2. The fact that they keep drawing these shows out longer and longer where nothing interesting or important happens for an entire episode is just the worst.

I love the bit in Braveheart where Arnold says “screw your freedom!”

Glorious as ever Drinker and nice to see your sense of pastoral care for those who are in distress. This heretic gives you his blessings.

I am shocked the entire panel chose Schwarzenegger over Stallone. I feel like Stallone has a lot more roles that display his acting skills. Arnie just always plays himself. He's like the OG version of The Rock or Ryan Reynolds. They dont act. They just play themselves, but Stallone actually plays a character. He's a much better actor.

I hope that guy is ok we all get sad sometimes

So addressing the Star Wars multi-verse rumor. I went to film school to become a screenwriter. One of the most insightful things a teacher taught me was about trends in Hollywood. How film execs seem to always learn the WRONG lessons from films *like assuming people liked Deadpool cuz it was an R rated superhero film and not cuz it was witty and entertaining* and that films heavily rely on popular trends. So much so these trends often become overused tropes that are just worn out to DEATH. And one of the most common trends today is... multi-verses. It's sci-fi mumbo-jumbo that gives filmmakers the excuse to get together all the popular character from past and future into one cameo member-berry fueled garbage. So yes, I think Disney is dumb enough to try and shoehorn a multi-verse story into Star Wars. It's the hot new thing in modern Hollywood.

JOKER WAS NOT MODELED AFTER TAXI DRIVER!!!!! Sorry i yelled, this is important. Joker was modeled after Bernhard Goetz, who copied the movie Taxi Driver. Goetz shot four black kids on a subway, like Joker. Bickle shot people in a brothel. There was racial tension in NYC when the Goetz thing happened. There was economic tension at the time this movie was made, so they made a god damn amalgam of the two. Instead of shooting black guys, he shot rich guys, leading to violence in the streets. So there's a layer of meta and irony that you're missing. Joker is a fake character, who's copying a real person who copied a fake character. So what the movie is about is fake media creating real violence.

What no one seems to be talking about with this show is with lightsaber battles you HAVE to be able to use the force. Pre-Disney if you couldn't use the force while battling with lightsabers you can't sense blaster bolts to block them, you can't counter a force users in melee combat(even IF you are well trained), you aren't able to handle the power put behind a strike with a force user and finally you can't sense the intent behind the opponent (force user) if you are battling ESPECIALLY if you can't use the force....this is sad, just sad.

1:55:20 I can’t wait for my Critical Doggo plush 😁

No one should be surprised by the bribery on rotten tomatoes. 🎉

In response to the "Trolley" question at 1:44:00, I wonder if the _Blazing Saddles_ solution (ringing a bell mid-way through the word) would still count?

1:52:40 the trailers for SWTOR are works of art! The game itself is fun, but the trailers are magnificent.

Thanks for reposting as only got up to just after Gore left so have something to watch before work so thanks 💯

Did you turn off Mauler's mic when Chris mentioned Taxi Diver and King of Comedy in reference to Joker?

In the "heir to the empire" the imperials were looking for the "lost katana fleet" and were kind hoping Thrawn wasn't with them

They cancelled the Extended Universe, BUT!… cherry picked a popular character from it

They don’t use the tractor beam in empire because the falcon is wizzing about moving in all different directions. In a new hope they come out of light speed and go in a straight line and they don’t really know what’s happening. They’re totally aware of the threat in empire. 1:48.40

The downfall of Disney needs to be studied in school. Do not piss off your audience

it's posted 15 mins ago, is 2 hours long. BUT I saw it was about Rotten Tomatoe being busted so I knew I would love this episode. XD

Really wish they had someone that knew old starwars ledgends so that they could explain that most of the lore is explained in some way or another usually pretty well. As far as I know tractor beams like the one used on the first Death Star were only on special ships that would accompany fleets and prevent ships from moving drawing them in further the bigger the ship likely the better the tractor beam. And they even had ships the empire specifically that prevented hyperspace in their immediate area to prevent retreat. All of my ledgends knowledge comes from the games. The games did a great job of creating a narrative that made sense. Even separate, they were cohesive in the overall narrative of Star Wars. Battlefront 2 force unleashed republic commando. These games did what Disney is trying to do by expanding the universe and lining their pockets only we were happy to do that before and now I'm just empty about starwars. I still love my sw games and the saga 6 movies ...

Look, Chris Gore seems like a good dude and I appreciate his insight into the industry but he has a habit of turning what should be a 1 minute answer into a 20 minute story ... for Every. Single. Question. He. Is. Ever. Asked.

Lmao it cracks me up but I’m not surprised by the fact Hollywood hates Drinker

Depressing spoiler: mega holding companies become largest share holders in public companies, push esg to ruin stock value, then buy up the rest of the capital at rock bottom prices. But who would do that kind of thing, really.?. I can't imagine 🤷‍♂️

I follow the stock market. Disney's stock price decline has more to do with ESPN than their movies, streaming service, and theme parks. ESPN is a large part of Disney's revenue and losing profitability due to cable cutting, unbundling, and rise in the cost of sports. Also, the 2nd largest cable provider Charter just dropped ESPN due to its high price. ESPN is the most likely asset to be sold or spun off according to many analysts.

1:27:14 yes. I reflect on that every time I find myself dumbfounded by 10/10 IMDb reviews of shows like lost in space. There is apparently a market for pretty shows with insanely bad writing.

Great to listen to while playing some games on a saturday

Wait... A Film Starring Daisy Ridley Would be CRAP, Who Knew!

I can understand them pushing up the speed on arcane, not simply because oh yeah people like this and we obviously want to keep the momentum, but just because of the effect of edgerunners for CD project. That series built a community around a game that had completely floundered its potential and is now effectively being allowed to have their release day happen all over again. That kind of PR is impossibly valuable.

I must be in the minority here, but I really don't like glorifying this guy who just blasted and derailed the show that he was going to off himself and take others out "las vegas style". We're all suffering mate. As selfish as self-deletion is, it's similarly selfish put it on others to undo your selfish decisions and make them feel guilty if you go through with it.

That mummy quote makes me want to watch the series again. So good

46:25 Funny, when I was young, the best thing about the awards was watching Joan Rivers on the red carpet.

I honestly wait until you all review the movie before I go watch it.

Timestamps on the video would be awesome Drinker 🙏

I missed it live. Reading the comments now...I hope that guy is okay. No wonder the whole energy of the stream changed so suddenly. The super chat was edited out. Understandably so. Trust me when I say that I'm so sorry you guys had to go through that. I understand how difficult it is to deal with these issues in people. I used to do see it occasionally in patients when I was in the army.

"See you at the party Richter". - Quaid, Total Recall Someone said it as I was typing this. My ultimate favorite. 😂❤

I think as far as use of the Force in duels goes, you do have to consider that it takes focus to both use the Force and keep up defense/offense with the lightsaber. So I think what you'd see would be either sneak attacks with the Force, like a quick push to a limb or body, or they'd generate some kind of bubble around themselves that wards off or negates Force attacks while they're fighting. I think it'd be really difficult to manage both since a duel is lightning fast as it is. In the OT, Vader threw objects at Luke with the Force, he didn't really throw a barrage of Force attacks at him and it was usually done when they had some distance between them.

People creaming their jeans over Anakin showing up forget he showed up last year in obi wan lol

That Black Knight Jedi Robot reminded me of some Dark Souls character death.

I don't bother with lying tomatoes reviews. It's amazing to me how companies often get customers opinions on your service via customer surveys and if you don't get a 9 or 10 you have failed. Why does this not apply to movies for instance.😢

As a retired comics and game illustrator, I love the fact that - although he is German - MetalCommander looks like a transporter-beam-accident-mix of Vlad Tepescu and Gimli.

The Bar is open and welcoming to all !!!

Swinging swords in a pub for me is fighting over the urinal.

They will replace Majors with Don Cheadle!

I actually liked Adam Driver in 65. It's kind of a like a classic shipwreck or plane crash movie and a better version of After Earth. And the development of Adam Driver's character as you learn is backstory is well done too. Granted, some of the dinosaurs are poorly cgi, but their interactions with the humans are realistic and meaningful, imo. spoilers: The only thing I didn't like was that he was ready to pull the trigger on suicide after his daughter died during his 2? year trip that he went on so he could afford her treatment. Yes, his daughter is dead, yes he crashed, but it didn't even seem like it was difficult to come up with a plan to get to his home planet and he still had a wife at home.

George Lucas would have at least a creature from the planet run into Ahsoka and Sabine BEFORE they even get a glimpse of the bad guys.

I just want to thank The Movie Cynic for sharing his thoughts.

Multiverse: the death of all canon

Keep up the great work Drinker and Mauler!!

But will the ESPN package include The Ocho?

I just saw a picture of a sad Mickey Mouse walking head down away from a crashing down shares graph. This makes me sad and furious. I owe Disney part of my education. When I was 4 and a half years old I bothered my mother for weeks until she agreed to teach me to read: I WANTED and HAD TO read the Disney comics they had given me as gifts. When I was about to start school at 6 years old I had already moved on to Marvel and DC superhero comics and started reading some books. My first years of school were an easy sail. These idiots inherited the goose that lays the golden egg and slowly and painfully strangled it and ate it because "it is immoral to exploit an animal" or something like that. May they burn for eternity in a comic book hell.

Just started episode 3 of the opem bar and you convinced me lasy night to watch unforgiven. Damn ehat a film.

Ain’t it snow yellow? My bad brown?

The German industrial rock band Rammstein made a very intriguing take on Snow White in their music video for the song *Sonne* Look it up, its guaranteed to be better and more thought-provoking than whatever Disney was about to crap out into theaters

Fast and Furious 24: Wheels on Wheelchairs!

1:44:10 I gave it to ChatGPT and it replied "I'm very sorry, but I can't assist with that question." 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I am glad Netflix Daredevil had a pretty conclusive arc ending season. Charlie Cox did great and I'd feel too gross seeing him in the MCU

Chris Gore is right, the Roger Corman version of Fantastic Four is the version that stays the most faithful to the FF origin story. He is correct that bootleg copies were available at conventions. I just found a RU-vid channel that had the entire movie and the visual quality was better than I had previously seen.

Fast-Ten Your Seatbelt. The Paul Walker story

Modern star wars is slowly becoming just dangling keys in-front of a toddler and then everyone praising it for doing the bare minimum

Why am I not surprised with all is going on with the entertainment industry in general.

1:05:34 this is exactly what they did with Captain Phasma, acted like she was going to be something big and then was just gone

Disney should make a movie on their own current meltdown situation. Id watch that lolll

Hook up the catheter drink heines in copious pints 🍺

Drinker should review Jawan

Yuuuuuusss, ITS OPEN BAAAR

1:09:23 the hybrids we saw in the clone wars did

Twisted Metal could have been good but honestly Stephanie Beatriz' character killed it for me. Her character is absolutely insufferable. Anthony Mackie absolutely carried that show on his back.

I prefer the zombies trend to the battle royale trend.

You guys should invest in my new movie idea: Snow white and the seven Peter Dinklage impersonators. All cast members to be people that have lost career opportunities to Dinklage's high and mighty sense of self

About hobbits being treated as children, I'm pretty sure he was referring to the scene in Fellowship where Boromir is kinda roughing around with Sam, Pippin, and Merry, but of course, that quartet ARE children in Hobbit terms. Maybe not "children" children, but they are at most only adolescent in Hobbit terms. Frodo would be 17-18 years old in human terms. The other three are younger than him, if I'm not wrong.

Is there an Open Bar 65 as I can’t seem to access it ? Is it all Members Only now ??

Darth Vader was the hero. A great leader that answered subordinates questions without arrogance explaining his reasoning and he never started a fight. In the OT everyone else ignited their lightsabre first and Vader reacted.

I want a Dragon's Lair movie if video games are getting adaptations. Animated in the original style.

If they do cancel Snow White, I hope whoever tells Rachel Zegler the news records her reaction, cuz that shit will go viral.

Thrawn isnt from rebels he is from heir to the empire. A multiple hundred page book with 2 multiple hundred page books. Thrawn was an amazing strategist that out fought admiral ackbar multiple times with inferior forces. I have no idea what he did in rebels but i heard it was some dumbass convoluted shit the original thrawn would have never even tried to do. Also he found creatures that blocked the force to limit jedi interference and used a mad jedi clone to coordinate instataneously across the galaxy to hit multpile places simultaneously. And had found cloning technology to crew ships he captured and new made ships with trained crew faster than the republic could.