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Open Crumb SHORTCUT. I've been looking for shortcuts since I started making bread at home. But I didn't look for any shortcuts, but exactly the ones that shorten my path to open/lacy crumb.
I practiced the above method on several variants of flours in last months, for diffrent hydrations or kneading method. It worked well every time.
The method is based on a fermentation as long as possible and inner tension of the dough. The dough must stays in tension (which you create through lamination and folding). It is absolutely necessary that the dough (at least) doubles its volume compared to the moment you put the starter in. Ideally, it should increase in volume three times (7-9 hours at 22-23deg. C depending on the flour & hydration). After this increase in volume, the dough should be moved to a cold refrigerator 3-4 degrees Celsius for 15-20 hours. Or even more.
After this period, the dough is simply folded over itself and the edges are sealed so that we do not lose air. An hour of relaxation before baking also helps a lot.
Ideal recipe:
275g white bread flour (ideally 12-13% protein content)
50g wholemeal flour
240g water
65g sourdough starter (100% hydration)
7.5g salt
Method:
autolyse with water and flour for 2 hours; mix with starter and then rest for 30 minutes; mixing with salt and then rest for 30 minutes; strong fold and rest again 30 min; lamination and two or three folds until the dough keep it shape; total bulk fermentation 7-9h until double or triple in volume; rest in the fridge 15-20h or more at 3-4 deg. C; next day flip it over itself and seal the edges by rotating it so that the seal is down; after an hour of relaxation you do a scoring (it's not easy to do at this degree of proof) and bake it by your favorite method. I bake at 240deg. C with steam for 10 minutes and then 30min at 210deg. C without steam.
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@ailanng811
@ailanng811 3 года назад
I finally tried this method and it turned out to be my best bake since I started sourdough baking 5 years ago. Fantastic oven spring. Thanks so much Mr Joyride Coffee. You are a game changer!
@catrien9824
@catrien9824 3 года назад
I had to giggle when you scored the dough! I used to battle with that part myself, but now I just use scissors if the dough feels too sticky. Works just as well! 😁
@thowi
@thowi 3 года назад
For scoring, maybe try putting it in the freezer for a short time. The outside will cool down and it's easier to score.
@bkeeshen
@bkeeshen 3 года назад
Flour dust it
@erwinraffetseder4541
@erwinraffetseder4541 11 месяцев назад
I been doing that for a year now Put it the freezer before scoring
@minomol
@minomol 3 года назад
You should definitely share your detailed levain preparation method, I feel that's the key to your amazing fermentation and success. Including how the starter is handled a couple days prior to the levain prep.
@HannahWalters
@HannahWalters 3 года назад
By the looks of their recipe they're just using starter without incorporating it into a levain/preferment first. So probably just having a good strong starter would be all that's needed there
@davidbeers1952
@davidbeers1952 3 года назад
Yes, I also think the key is in the starter. I’m trying to feed mine three days prior to baking. After being in the fridge, I feel It needs a boost to get it optimal.
@renatoa
@renatoa 3 года назад
Nope, starter has nothing magic. There is no couple day in advance, the author is baking almost daily, so it's just back to back feeding. If yours does not double/triple in 4/5 hours at 23 C ambient, when fed 100% (i.e. 1-1-1) then you should look at your flours, water filtration or elsewhere for chemicals that could harm bacteria. So should be the normal strength of a regular starter. This is valid even for me, baking/feeding at three days interval. Getting starter from fridge, let acclimatise to ambient for one hour, feed, then after some hours of rise mixing in the dough. Any time after collapsing is fine, even 6 hours after maximum.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Indeed, I do not make a preferment for bread, but I feed the starter daily and put it in the dough. Sometimes I feed it once a day, other times twice (with strong white flour) depending on how I feel. I generally feed in small rations 1: 5: 5 - 1:10:10. Will be less acidic. I still don't have a great idea for filming a given video I will definitely make one on this topic. Saw at Claudio Perrando, he use the fridge for the starter in each night ... so there are many ways.
@HingsonMChun
@HingsonMChun 3 года назад
@@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee Starter "growth" can be misleading by volume alone. A 100% hydration insures you won't be fooled. If I cannot bake on-time, I sometimes put the starter in a wine storage unit at 55F and it remains useable at up to 36H.
@grahamfairbank4602
@grahamfairbank4602 3 года назад
Hi, I have a few scoring ideas for you. One is a CO2 freezing spray, used along the line of scoring just before you slash the dough. A second would be to freeze the dough for 15 minutes to firm up the surface before scoring and baking. (I note someone’s suggested this below). And the third is to bake it for 60 seconds before scoring and adding steam. I accidentally discovered the third way once when I realised after I’d put the loaf in the oven that I hadn’t scored it, and it slashed beautifully.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
wow. so many ideas. did not know about co2 freezing
@Summer-qn1lr
@Summer-qn1lr 3 года назад
I second the freezing method. Once retard phase is over and if my dough passes poking test - slightly redeems it’t shape with light dent - I freeze it while preheating the oven and score it and bake it. Although I recently came with this idea and did this experiement only once, two loaves came out quite differently and frozen one had more organic yet pleasant crumbs. Hope you carry on more good trials and results to share on this channel - big fan!!
@ianbown3543
@ianbown3543 3 года назад
Tried this yesterday, was so easy and worked amazingly. Best open crumb I have ever got.!! I found that the crust was the same as the other bread that I did in a banneton (same dough). Which for me is perfect because I like a thicker crust 😁 Thanks so much for sharing 😊
@kylelam6863
@kylelam6863 3 года назад
Thank you for all your great work in sourdough methods. Personally after repeatedly viewing your videos, I have upped my sourdough bread making technique to incredible heights. Your open crumb shortcut technique has enabled me to make outstanding open crumb delicate crisp crust bread. I have even adapted to bake outside in a gas Weber BBQ which allows me to bake at higher temperatures, minimizes my preheat time (< 10 mins) , and doesn't heat the house in hot weather. I find myself viewing your content over and over. The only downside is I find myself baking a whole lot of sourdough.
@GinaG56883
@GinaG56883 2 года назад
Outstanding! I love it when someone proves the "experts" wrong. People have been telling me for years not to bother with a BBQ to bake bread, so thank you for inspiring me.
@karlurbach7635
@karlurbach7635 3 года назад
This is phenomenal!! All I did was one lamination and 3 coil folds about 45 minutes apart. I baked it after 12 hrs in the fridge at 485F for 20 min then uncovered the Challenger and finished at 465F for 20 min. Bulk with a highly active starter was no more than 4 hrs and the dough temp. was 76F prior to going in the fridge. Trevor you are a dedicated genius!! Thank you so much for this dough handling method. When you get a chance check out the new book by baker/miller Jennifer Lapidus called "Southern Ground". It will blow you away! Thanks again.
@elfira10
@elfira10 3 года назад
Wow!!!! ♥️♥️♥️ Was about to order banneton myself, and watch this. Banneton who???!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
:)))
@joserescia6860
@joserescia6860 Год назад
Hello and thank you very much for teaching the method so that the bread comes out light and without much work. And you says that he has problems making the cut... well, I'll give you a suggestion to see if you may have better luck. Wet the blade with a little oil, this makes the blade not stop when cutting it...TRY IT, maybe it will be much easier for you. Next time do it and see what happens. Greetings from the state of California...and good luck. And let's see if I dare to make those loaves like you. does them. Maybe the result will be different but I'm going to try it since it seems that with a little practice it can be... Thank you so much
@ericpmoss
@ericpmoss 3 года назад
Maybe a serrated knife would score more easily. I buy brand new razors, put them in a nice French lame, and.... meh. I try a Wusthof tomato knife, and voila.
@Bozemancurtis
@Bozemancurtis 8 месяцев назад
I love this technique. It is very different from everything else I've seen online.
@HungryShots
@HungryShots 3 года назад
I never dared to ferment the dough up until triples in volume? But you give me reasons that maybe I should try. Does your starter also triples?
@massimoparisi4149
@massimoparisi4149 3 года назад
It could overferment!
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
depends on the flour. not triple but almost
@ajdehandi4254
@ajdehandi4254 2 года назад
Wawoooo It's looks absolutely delicious and refreshing perfectly prepared you are the person who made cooking simple and interesting I will be always grateful to you wishing you love and happiness success ♥️♥️♥️🌹🌹
@evelynwald9132
@evelynwald9132 3 года назад
It’s so interesting to see how different bakers achieve the same results through different techniques. Just curious if you have ever put your dough in the freezer for about 30 minutes so that it’s easier to score. Thank you for sharing.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Indeed there are many ways to do the same thing. And yes, I tried too with the fridge, help a lot.
@ThePdxster
@ThePdxster 2 года назад
I'm not really into baking breads, but would love to see what you could come up with for a pizza crust. I'm wondering if you can have a great open crumb crust considering all the things that would be sitting on top of it (sauce, cheese, toppings)??
@maxbooth179
@maxbooth179 3 года назад
I'm a baker. Use a knife for scoring when dough is warm. Or cool it down, but scoring like how most people do it is designed for cold dough. Or don't score it at all, often we'll proofed dough doesnt need it. That's why it doesn't open and have a big ear, it doesn't need the extra room. If you must use a razor use a fresh one, don't go deep and do it fast in one motion using just the tip of the blade. Your work is very interesting, the way you cut corners is inspiring. Saving a lot of time and making top tier bread.
@gb57hevy3
@gb57hevy3 3 года назад
Yes, he is very inspiring. But I have a question for you..."would there be any negatives to using a malted flour for artisan sourdough?"
@maxbooth179
@maxbooth179 3 года назад
@@gb57hevy3yes you can use those flours for sourdough. I use malted flour for sourdough. I add a small amount of diastatic malted barley flour because it has enzymes that break starch down to sugar and thereby give food for the yeast. So you get longer fermentation, it doesn't run out of steam. I've not tried the premixed malted flours that people sell at all. They seem a bit gimmicky.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Max!!!
@ianbown3543
@ianbown3543 3 года назад
@@gb57hevy3 i made sourdough yesterday with 20% malted flour, then followed the technique in this video & it turned out amazing
@gb57hevy3
@gb57hevy3 3 года назад
@@ianbown3543 Fantastic! I too have followed this technique twice now but not with malted flour yet. This method is my fav...1st loaf turned out great, the other is in the fridge at this moment. I do 500g flour, 375g water, 12g salt, 75g starter. Then I do as JoyRide does as far as the dough handling...his videos have really improved my confidence when handling my preferred 75% hydration dough. My starter is now just short of 3 yrs old...floats like there is no tomorrow, LOL, but I think mature starter and dough handling AND reading my dough have come a long way after watching JoyRide vids....it's a rainy, chilly day here in Illinois...sorry about the long comment but thanks for commenting.
@justinraymos7411
@justinraymos7411 Год назад
What’s the back ground song?
@naeunoh6121
@naeunoh6121 3 года назад
I’m also not great at shaping and deflate the dough a bit, so I will try out this method of shaping! Also I suggest putting the dough in the freezer for 30min after sealing (shaping) the dough and then take it out, score, and bake. This makes it easier to score. (Credits to BreadCode)
@krste3000
@krste3000 3 года назад
His dough is already in the fridge for 20 hours. IMO he wants to bake while the dough is at room temperature and relaxed so putting in the freezer just in order to score will defeat the purpose.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
We must try. Can be better with a correct scoring.
@imahaingtia
@imahaingtia 3 года назад
did you also record the music? It’s beautiful. I’d like to hear more from you or whoever recorded it.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
no, it's from epidemic sound. Amos Noah - The Fight
@scottschlueter6281
@scottschlueter6281 3 года назад
Please accept a tip for scoring, toss the lame and use a Victorinox serrated knife. You will never have a problem again!!
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you! I'll order one.
@cgirl111
@cgirl111 3 года назад
@@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee I use a scissor
@ungureanuli
@ungureanuli 3 года назад
Congrats on another great video. But in description you have 325gr flour to 490gr water. It’s a mistake? The doughs in your video seems to be around 80%?
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
was a mistake, sorry, 240g water
@josegomezgil1924
@josegomezgil1924 3 года назад
Desperado background music fits perfectly this master demonstration, hats off to both performers ( band and baker)!
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you!
@dis2shalpas
@dis2shalpas 15 дней назад
I'm about to try this but i don't have whole wheat flour.i only have rye and bread flour. Could i just add 25g rye instead of 50 whole wheat and the rest bread flour? Thank you
@Pablo19625
@Pablo19625 2 месяца назад
Amazing, I’m just wondering how can I practically do this on a large scale for my business? Could I still use my bannetons for cold retarding in the fridge. I really don’t want to have to go out and buy a 100 new containers.
@anthonycaldi7056
@anthonycaldi7056 5 месяцев назад
Great video. I’m a newbie at break making. Sometimes I turn out great loaves other times I don’t. Big variation in crumb. I prefer whider crumbs soi will try your methods. Question….last time I let my loaves proof in the refrigerator for 18 hours it over proofed. Why would that happen? The recipe I’m following calls for .02% yeast. Should I back of the yeast a little?
@kdstoffel7574
@kdstoffel7574 3 года назад
A sharp serrated knife wielded with confidence works for me. I gave up on lames a long time ago. Imagine trying to cut a soft, delicate loaf with a straight edged knife. Now cut the same loaf with a sharp serrated knife. The same principle applies to the dough. My weapon of choice is a Victorinox fibrox handled steak knife. It’s wicked sharp, with about a 15cm blade. Hold at a 45* angle and make one boldly aggressive slash. After a few tries you’ll get a feel for it. You’ll never go back to a lame.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
I'll try with serrated knife. Thank you!
@JuventinoinAustria
@JuventinoinAustria 3 года назад
Hi,have you consider to shape, and directly score and bake? Maybe can help for the oven spring... Without the hour for the relaxing, can be that the cut could be better, having more tension and so a more oven spring... 😊
@anandapradayini3220
@anandapradayini3220 6 месяцев назад
Hi, so then is the dough going to be”overproofed” by doubling or tripling? Or do you adjust internal temp of dough to achieve this (like very cold dough?)?
@myshinobi1987
@myshinobi1987 11 месяцев назад
You mentioned that we should proof it for 7-8 hours. What room temperature? More importantly, what dough temperature? I love in Australia where it's 34c at the moment.
@julieg54
@julieg54 Месяц назад
Mine looked great and puffy in the pyrex dish but when i flipped it over to remove it didn't come out like yours the bottom was stuck , so trying to remove it lost some air for sure and results were not a good spring Did you transfer to an oiled dish for overnight?
@turtlemark2
@turtlemark2 5 месяцев назад
How much open crumb can you get with fresh milled wheat flour? Can't find anyone who has done it.
@aivkara
@aivkara 3 года назад
I think you just made the King of Sourdough discoveries.... How does it get any better than this???
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Always can be better :)
@F304B
@F304B 3 года назад
For scoring it’s a matter of angle, coming too steeply means that it catches and you get what you’re seeing, try run the blade as close to perpendicular with the surface as you can.
@nikinikolakaki9346
@nikinikolakaki9346 3 года назад
Thank you for demonstrating this new method for open crumb!! Never seen this anywhere...I will definitely try it!!!! (music matches your experiments!!)
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Nikki, you will like it!
@TheOwlol
@TheOwlol 3 года назад
I find scoring room temperature dough to be easier with a serrated utility knife (not pointy).
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
yes, will try with a serrated knife, I'll buy a good one.
@Braisin-Raisin
@Braisin-Raisin 3 года назад
From Germany: this looks very interesting. Germany is the "bread country", with over 300 different breads , mostly dating back hundreds of years. I understand that holes in bread are nowadays the fashion but there are many other breads without big holes that are more traditional, especially when containing rye flour. We butter bread and then put different meats or cheeses on top - that is not very practical with the many holes. Wish more people would show other bread than only white with holes, although this one is perfect for that category. For rye bread, you do not knead - it has virtually no gluten and that is why you need the rye sour dough leavening. Sour dough was traditionally developed mainly for rye bread which is unpalatable unless it does contain sour dough.
@agafonkin
@agafonkin 3 года назад
Wonderful video, thank you for sharing! Fascinating to see such a brilliant shaping method that I've never seen or thought of before! I'd call it the "dumpling" method because it looks exactly like traditional dumplings are shaped here in Ukraine. 😊 I've found scoring very proofy dough extremely difficult as well. What can help in this case is chilling the shape in the fridge for an hour or two - makes it much easier because the surface becomes firmer. Also the blade must be in pristine clean condition - not too used, and thoroughly cleaned after each use so that it remains sharp (it becomes dull if it accumulates oils / starches on the edge between uses).
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Vladimir.
@Freakazoid23
@Freakazoid23 7 месяцев назад
i got a weird question. how do you guys cut these open crumb breads without squeezing it?
@matias2911
@matias2911 3 года назад
Wow, makes me question everything i've learnt about the concept of proofing (under/over?) sourdough, and the role of shaping. We tend to forget that the Tartine country loaf method (which has become ubiquitous for home bakers) is exactly that, a method among many others. goes to show there is still loads to learn and expand in the art of baking! thank you for sharing!
@karlurbach7635
@karlurbach7635 3 года назад
Having made the criticism, I am grateful for the video. I will try this technique this wknd. Thank you so m
@PhilKoenigBrooklyn
@PhilKoenigBrooklyn 3 года назад
This is a terrific technique you have developed. I just finished baking 2 loaves and couldn't be more pleased with the outcome. I had been working in the same direction with longer bulk and retard but leaving it in the dish and "shaping" it after the fridge is genius. I have to ask why you let it sit on the bench for an hour after you fold it? I baked one loaf immediately and waited the hour for the second but could see no difference. Thanks again. I'll be posting to Instagram and tagging you in a few days.
@cabaretampere
@cabaretampere 3 года назад
For scoring use a serrated knife. Razor blades always stick and drag the dough
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
yes, will try with a serrated knife, I'll buy a good one.
@Skirkly
@Skirkly 3 года назад
Yes I agree. Knife is so much better than the sharpest razor
@cheriecanelas2325
@cheriecanelas2325 2 года назад
CN apply this method to any bread I make? Or does it have to be sourdough bread,
@tm65
@tm65 3 года назад
I’ve been looking for methods to make the crust thinner. Thank you!
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you! Significant improvement for crust too.
@OMGITSFULLOFPONIES
@OMGITSFULLOFPONIES 3 года назад
Baking in a closed container that retains heat really well, like a Dutch oven, worked well for me to get a thinner crust.
@maxbooth179
@maxbooth179 3 года назад
@@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee which part of this method caused the thinner crisper crust? Was it stopping air from flowing around the loaf as it sat in the fridge?
@hayhouse3
@hayhouse3 3 года назад
Thanks so much for the videos. They have given me much inspiration. Your videos have been very helpful, and this Open Crumb Shortcut will be a welcome addition to my sourdough recipes! I did this method a few times and I finally achieved the open crumb I was looking for; a significant step in my bread making skills. The major key for me was understanding proper bulk fermentation, having a vigorous starter and knowing your flour. Scoring a big bag of air is still quite difficult for me, regardless what tool I use. The easiest way for me to score is to let the shaped loaf do a slow ferment overnight; scoring the dough directly from the fridge is quite manageable, but doesn’t fit this method.
@stevewirts1271
@stevewirts1271 3 года назад
I've had reasonable success scoring with an extremely sharp kitchen knife, cutting using the full length of the blade, not the tip
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
will try too
@AR-ml9eo
@AR-ml9eo 3 года назад
Agreed, with a modification. I have a large knife that I sharpen like a razor. Then I take an exacto knife with a new blade. I'm right handed. I take the kitchen knife (nearly as long as the loaf) in my left hand, and I press it lightly without any movement or cutting into the surface of the dough along the curved line I want to cut. Then with my right hand I place the exacto blade flush against the knife edge at the dough surface. I move fairly quickly creating an opposing scissors movement of slightly pulling the knife towards me, while slicing the dough with the exacto razor, moving away from me. The knife edge provides just the slightest friction to hold the surface right at the point where the exacto razor slices it, so the exacto blade doesn't get caught or yank the whole loaf. The trick is to roll the knife as you make the cut, since it is a semicircle. I suggest practicing several times in the air. The rolling movement has a vague similarity to that of sharpening a knife on a steel, except opposite the knife hand. The knife also serves as a cutting guide for the exacto blade. You can ever so slightly roll the knife blade against the dough, leaving a slight imprint as a guide mark, and then cut it. It's worked for me, although I did screw up the first one. Now I do it several times in the air before each scoring, just to have the proper muscle memory.
@420today
@420today 3 года назад
You my friend are a genius!!!
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Michel!
@robyncastro1500
@robyncastro1500 7 месяцев назад
Why is it better to put the dough in the fridge more than 20 hours?
@huyenvuphong9185
@huyenvuphong9185 3 года назад
My crumb is good but not yet have the ear. Can you help me.please
@hormz7754
@hormz7754 3 года назад
You have been helping me to improve my baking skills, thank you for sharing your experiments and experiences with us 🙏🙏
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you!
@CrystalAnatta
@CrystalAnatta 3 года назад
Com'on. This blow my mind of making sourdough due to i have followed your ways a lot. And now again, you make me surprised by doing this method. Omg. I have to try once!
@CrystalAnatta
@CrystalAnatta 3 года назад
How about the tropical zone temperature like 27-28 °c. What should i do?
@M21467
@M21467 3 года назад
Can you please show us this method with all whole wheat flour? 🙏
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
see here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PGTYDQQSd54.html
@getthestoneman
@getthestoneman 2 года назад
Try letting the loaves sit out in the air for 30 mins or so then score !!!
@eleanorroberts8458
@eleanorroberts8458 3 года назад
thank you, joy ride coffee. God bless you
@luckyfriday5366
@luckyfriday5366 3 года назад
Recently I saw someone in a YT-video scoring the very soft loaf with scissors - I'll try this
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
I'll try too!
@aimaeyo228
@aimaeyo228 3 года назад
I ll try it
@ianbown3543
@ianbown3543 3 года назад
I always used to use scissors to cut the dough, it works very well.
@mohdja1
@mohdja1 2 года назад
What IS the method to obtain sourdoug low acidite
@DapurBiru
@DapurBiru 3 года назад
Thank you sharing this 👍
@phuynh
@phuynh 3 года назад
Absolute genius
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you!
@tumblewheed5994
@tumblewheed5994 7 месяцев назад
I watched another video that says this would count as over fermented. Stating the gas cell walls shouldn't be (appear ) raggedy like they do here....IDK, I'm so confused!
@candorsspot2775
@candorsspot2775 5 месяцев назад
I've seen the same. My guess is you can get away with a longer fermentation if you really develop the gluten with mixing and lots of folds. I'm going to try this method and really focus on mixing and lots of folding to develop the gluten. Also if the bread is being proofed at a higher temp you must stop fermenting with less rise. Good luck.
@Buhinkaimiha
@Buhinkaimiha 2 года назад
First bake 5 min,than scoring #5minutescore
@davidsims1329
@davidsims1329 2 года назад
I do not understand why the crumme is so important to most,
@ailanng811
@ailanng811 3 года назад
Hi Mr Joy Ride Coffee, I live in the tropics with 32 degree Celsius and 80% air humidity. Should I modify bulk fermentation timings since your temperature is 22-23 degree Celsius? Thank you.
@barrychambers4047
@barrychambers4047 3 года назад
Maybe you could cool your dough temperature by using a little bit of ice in an ice box, just enough to lower temperature to 22-23C. Just a thought.
@agatalevay4151
@agatalevay4151 3 года назад
I’ m in tropics too, although bit lower indoors than where you are. Usually i ferment at 25-27C (my kitchen temperature), and in my hands it need to use less starter. Also, crumb gets bit wild, if I go for longer fermentation and I use banetons for cold proof. Looking forward to trying this way, but will bake in cast iron pot, my oven vents like crazy, doesn’t hold steam at all. I failed at all attempts to get decent oven spring on the stone.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Sure you will have to adapt. We always adapt to our local conditions. Temperatures and humidity. But is not good or bad, we just need to find the perfect fermentation.
@ailanng811
@ailanng811 3 года назад
Thanks Barry, Agatha and me joy ride coffee. I just made a loaf today and it is cold proofing in the fridge now. I put the dough in my Coleman ice box with couple of frozen blocks. Just like Barry suggested. Will know tomorrow night when I bake...
@ailanng811
@ailanng811 3 года назад
@@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee my bake was a success - I got the open crumb for the first time since years ago. Now I understand fermentation and dough handling, thanks to your video sharing. 😊
@gabrielcuomo0186
@gabrielcuomo0186 3 года назад
Great! Will this work with whole wheat flour?
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
no, you need different approach. se my 100% whole wheat videos
@BTs-he1lg
@BTs-he1lg 3 года назад
Thank you so much Gicu, learned different techniques from your videos. Followed your video to make my first starter at the beginning of the pandemic, have been baking sourdough ever since. Watched your Proper Fermentation video and realize how important it is to take time to build the structure. Baked the open crumb shortcut today, good open crumbs, unfortunately my score fell short and did not get a ear this time.
@AntonioJ_79
@AntonioJ_79 3 года назад
the result is great. I suppose that a similar result will be obtained with 10% protein flour but with less hydration, 65% perhaps?
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Each flour is different. Sure at low protein flour you need to adjusts the water.
@bavariasuhl
@bavariasuhl 3 года назад
where did you go? missing your content
@MereCashmere
@MereCashmere Год назад
In the oven for 30 seconds THEN score
@grahamfairbank4602
@grahamfairbank4602 3 года назад
This is awesome work by the way. Beautiful crumb and so much simpler. No shaping involved in the traditional sense. I wonder whether it might be the way forward for 100% spelt loaves? Think I’ll give it a go and see what happens.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
It is a bit more complicated with spelt, it is very extensible and does not keep its shape. Need diffrent method.
@aceto_di_meme
@aceto_di_meme 3 года назад
Beautifull.. a question... baking steel or baking stone? Which better?
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Tried both. Baking steel is better.
@BakersBiscuit
@BakersBiscuit 2 года назад
That could have easily been a 3 min video. 😴
3 года назад
Great! Rarely seen such a crumb. For scoring: put the loaf for 30+ min. in the fridge. It helps ...
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you.Yes, I know, works it you put back into the fridge.
@bellottibellotti9185
@bellottibellotti9185 Год назад
did you make a pact with the Devil
@marianozinko5360
@marianozinko5360 3 года назад
Simply the Best 🤩 Thx for help this mortal sourdough breadmakers❤️ gonna try it
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Mariano!
@darelldd
@darelldd 2 года назад
Do you have any details or a link to that dough/bench scraper that I see featured in your videos? I see you included link to the "big" bench scraper, and the other bowl scrapers. But I'm interested in that one that you're actually using that is wider at the bottom than the top. Seems to be just what I'm looking for (I already own and have made several others).
@didough46
@didough46 3 года назад
This is a real game changer for a better crust for us. I have tried and tested this with excellent results, and although the scoring was a challenge I found a really wet blade helped, even managed an ear. I used a jar with sample for proofing and had perhaps 2+X rise. Will thrive for a bit more on the attempt. Many thanks.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Diane!
@didough46
@didough46 3 года назад
On my second attempt I bulk proofed to 2.5 times, from cold proof, along with your method again, except that to straight away score(much easier) then straight into the oven. Again good oven spring and crumb with super thin and crispy crust. Not only is it child friendly, but good for us late octogenarians too.
@Peters3n
@Peters3n 2 года назад
@@didough46 did the crumb change without the rest?
@didough46
@didough46 2 года назад
@@Peters3n I’m not understanding the question, “ rest” ? Could you clarify. Do you mean the longer fermentation. The difference for me was the thinner crust.
@Peters3n
@Peters3n 2 года назад
@@didough46 you said that you score Straight from the fridge and skipped the 1 hour rest/proof. I wanted to know if you could tell a difference :)
@jaw1397
@jaw1397 2 года назад
I subscribed to your channel today and I really liked it. And I noticed that the famous baker Trevor Wilson liked your bread. I had previously purchased an (Open Crumb Mastery )course for baker Trevor Wilson, and I am still learning a lot and I was amazed by the amount of wonderful and useful information, and God willing, I will become a professional in baking sourdough.
@mfrobert100
@mfrobert100 2 месяца назад
Maybe if you put the "shaped dough" in a very cold fridge 1C for a few minutes, and then score with a very sharp lame, you will master that technique as well. Looking forward to your feedback. Thank you for your beautiful videos by the way! You are an inspiration. :-)
@cidvieiradesouza7858
@cidvieiradesouza7858 Год назад
Ear, in Brazil we say > Eyelash
@N9524Q
@N9524Q 3 года назад
Why not put it back in the frigid for an hour before scoring or use scissors? After you fold it over and seal is it necessary to rest it for an hour? I would be tempted just to throw it directly in the oven? And it would be easier to score it at that point I would think
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
From my observations so far, that hour improves the crumb. Will help too if I put back in the fridge before scorring.
@N9524Q
@N9524Q 3 года назад
I have tried your technique multiple times now. I probably won't use a proofing basket again. 😀 I have a home oven and I have a rational oven at the restaurant that is a humidity controlled oven. I have been putting it in the oven with out scoring it . Obviously if you like the ear , you want to score it. I get very soft open crumb It is very important by the time you're ready to bake that the dough Proof to double in size Thank you for the technique I have bake a lot of bread and and it is a great technique to know
@tomcha75
@tomcha75 2 года назад
B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. Wondering if it would be possible to skip the overnight proofing in the fridge (for regular non-sourdough).
@braunarete5044
@braunarete5044 4 месяца назад
Beautiful crumb, best way I've found for a prominent ear is to make your cut with the blade as horizontal as you can and about 1cm deep. You'll find that you have to score much lower from how much your loaf will open.
@lapismosi8065
@lapismosi8065 11 месяцев назад
The ears on your loaves are small but pretty. My only advice is that most people rub a thin layer of flour (usually rice or a blend of rice and bread flour) over the top before putting into fridge and then leaving it uncovered over night. In one of your videos you placed your loaves in plastic bags. I think this would make scoring more difficult since the skin would be softer. Also you could always try changing your blade more frequently. But you do a beautiful job!💕
@shaneherrick727
@shaneherrick727 3 года назад
Wow I just can't believe how beautiful that is. Thank you for the inspirational videos that help me strive to bake better bread!
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you Shane!
@guycasavant5773
@guycasavant5773 3 года назад
Thanks for the informative video. I will certainly try this with my next bake. Please, what brand of bench scraper are you using? The blue handled one?
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
I buy it from a local store, was something italian but I can't remember the brand. Can't see on it. Sorry.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
search for one like this, must be wide and with rounded corners
@AR-ml9eo
@AR-ml9eo 3 года назад
According to your recipe (325g flour + 240g water = 73% hydration recipe. However, when I look at the video of you kneeding and folding, it looks much higher hydration (90-95% hydration??. I brought mine up to 80% hydration and it still seems below the hydration appearance of the dough you show folding in the video. Is it possible that you are using a video of a different recipe? I don't want to over hydrate so that it won't hold it's shape so I will stay where I am at 80% for this attempt to see what happens. Thanks.
@alwayslookingatself
@alwayslookingatself 3 года назад
I love the open crumb pictures. Is it purely for it's artistic presentation? It makes horrible, almost unusable slices of bread, but cool crumb shot pictures. Cool picture, horrible bread. Am I wrong about this?
@1b1uster
@1b1uster 3 года назад
Question and a comment: 1) So how does a commercial bakery (which doesn’t have the luxury of super long proofing time) produce ciabatta with open crumb? 2) I gave up on razors/lames .. just use super sharp kitchen scissors.
@AznnDestroyer
@AznnDestroyer 3 года назад
They use instant yeast and a polish overnight to enhance flavor usually. Sourdough bakeries aren’t as big but those places will define doing a full 12-24 hour proofing time. There’s you tubers that show it!
@agatalevay4151
@agatalevay4151 3 года назад
In addition to yeast, commercial ovens help too. :)
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
1. commercial yeast 2. thank you! :)
@radziahradzi
@radziahradzi Месяц назад
Love the 🎵 music
@AhavNYC
@AhavNYC Год назад
Great video!! I never saw this methid of shaping before. Ilook forwarx to trying it..
@grzegorzsiwek7209
@grzegorzsiwek7209 3 года назад
This is amazing😍
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Thank you!
@stephankaffka1632
@stephankaffka1632 3 года назад
Congratulation! Great Job. This time your Autolyse is only 2 h. In others 6 h. Does it makes a huge different? And what would be happening if you do more starter for e.g. 10g to 20 g. Thank you very much. I enjoy your videos very much. Stay healthy and a great day.
@cheriecanelas2325
@cheriecanelas2325 2 года назад
I don’t have sourdough started I usually just use instant yeast to make a rustic loaf where I basically add all the ingredients at the same time. Could I still follow this method using my bread recipe?? What is the hydration % for this bread you made in the video
@masterasadorbbq8815
@masterasadorbbq8815 3 года назад
I made it but in won't cook, it stayed raw. Perhaps I didn't give it enough time. By the way I love this tune, who plays it?
@karlurbach7635
@karlurbach7635 3 года назад
You should take the musical lettering out because it's partially obscuring your message , making it frustrating to read.
@LetzterLandsmann
@LetzterLandsmann 3 года назад
I tried my first sourdough bread yesterday&today. Unfortunately my dough turned out to be too wet&too sticky even after 3 hours of autolyse. I used whole corn flour rye (9% protein) and white flour type 405 (only 11% protein) and 70g of whole flour sourdough starter. Is there any problem with the protein level of my flours as I saw that you often used 13% protein flower? should I have used more kneeding time ( i had 2 times 6 minutes) before the strong folds? Unfortunately the dough didn't ferment a lot and I was not able to get enough tension into the loaf. Happy for tips/help. :) Nice videos!
@toolstroem
@toolstroem 3 года назад
nice work but as a German (the land of the sourdough) i would not buy this ...... just to many big holes in your bread
@hulqen
@hulqen 3 года назад
Very interesting! Just to be clear: no stretch and folds at all? When in the bulk process do you transfer it to the glass box?
@AznnDestroyer
@AznnDestroyer 3 года назад
Watch his other open crumb videos to get an idea on his stretch and fold process, he mainly does coil folds not stretch and fold though.
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
Check my video with twisted bread and you will see. Same method here. After lamination I move it in pyrex dish.
@jyn5178
@jyn5178 3 года назад
Does this work with the 100% whole wheat dough?
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee
@BreadbyJoyRideCoffee 3 года назад
no. need diffrent method. see my videos about 100% whole wheat
@violetapghosal2539
@violetapghosal2539 3 года назад
I'M SO HAPPY TO HAVE LEARNED FROM YOU, I'M A HOUSEWIFE WHO HAVE STARTED LEARNING BAKING BREADS AND CAKES PASTRIES, RECENTLY I FOUND YOUR CHANEL AND SO HAPPY WATCHING YOU... THANKS GOD BLESS YOU 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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