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And that's just now. Very soon that tractor will be obsolete too.

@@andrasbiro3007 Yep! - Tractor is giving way to a 8 lane combine harvester with multi-stage seed, plant, nurture vehicles. After that... who knows? The metaphor runs out of runway. Maybe we abolish the need for the field & build labs & off-planet colonies? lol!

The code still needs a lot of tidying up but it certainly gets the bulk of the work done - a great tool to make you more productive, taking a lot of the grind out of coding - if you know what 'correct' looks like! ['spade' or 'shovel', not 'spaddle' ]

Learn to plant! Plant that seed into the environmental hardware. I suspect the ability to transfer OS longitude latitude into new products and services or helping to simulate away natures fine-tuned atoms messy lattice structure is on full blast from now on . anything and everything like the early 1900s should be wide open and ready for a building boom since the middle of nowhere usa is able to support business that only major city's could in the past. Ability to spread out for better quality of life multi skillset wholistic knowledge interactive education training. Everyone should be learning machinest tool & die trade, plus now that blue /white will be working from similar os.

Yeah speaking as a life long developer it's clearly over for coders now. If you aren't already moving on to some other career you're going to get steamrolled very quickly. Start looking for more fun things to do now.

Yes

can ask it to do so but that requires the prompter to know to ask for it...for now at least.

Or maybe create multiple canvas.

Funnily enough I managed to build a working multimodualy organized software in python without any prior programming experience all with a combination of the o1 and 4o models. You just need a good structure and knowledge (which I learned on the go) of how the coded modules interact and what function they carry (which also was explained to me by the coding models). It’s a bit like magic to me, seeing how my thoughts get translated into actually working machine language and a fully functioning software arises step by step

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There's an online dynamic that makes people gravitate towards negative comments. It's easier, and since it's easier there are more people doing it, and since there are more people doing it, there's a kind of group bonding that occurs when you participate in hating on stuff. It won't matter. This stuff has actual substance, it's not going anywhere and it's going to continue to expand, which people also don't know how to handle.

I agree haha

As someone who grew up on a granny farm I confirm this.

Get thee to a grannery😅

"Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey"

Doing very similar. I do lots of data manipulation in excel to get the reports people need or to get systems talking to each other. Now just do it in code. Colleagues just see it as magic.

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Oh you

Deported.

How to be the most fun-gi in the mush-room.

You are one of the smarter people, but there are more who likes "click bait"...everything for the algorithm...sadly

now insert those steps as the tasks for the agent operating it :D

@@kliersheed then ask for a prompt that works for less intelligent models

You can’t currently debug your code. You can review code - that’s different.

@@DaTruAndidebug mode works for me

I do not see a "debug mode" where do you see that? It would mean executing the generated code and attaching a debugger.

Do you feel that your job - as it exists today - maybe obsolete soon? (Emphasis on the job title itself, not You)

​@@theWACKIIRAQI This is a question I think about quite often. Right now, it's me who has to provide the AI with a precise description of what a script or automation should accomplish, iterating back and forth until the final result meets the requirements. I still need to integrate it into source control, interpret the broader requirements, and so on. At present, I see a significant portion of the tasks in a job being delegated to AI-something that's already happening-but not yet the entire job. If the promise of "agentic" AIs materializes, it's conceivable that AI "employees" could eventually take over most of what my role entails, with engineers transitioning into "AI supervisors," ensuring things stay on track. However, once these agents become highly capable and the volume of code produced becomes unmanageable for human oversight, I expect supervision itself to be automated, dramatically reducing the need for human involvement. When that point will be reached remains uncertain, but it's certainly something to ponder.

@@consciousgamer8132 I’m not a software engineer but the progression you’ve described is very reasonable, concerning and intriguing all at once.

AI are just employees and they need good managers. Most managers want employees that can be delegated vague tasks and fill in the blanks themselves. A good manager should provide all the important details rather than blame the employee for being creative.

@@flexibleaspect The truth is somewhere between the logical extremes you two have described. Not all creativity is equally valuable, and some is valuable yet out of scope, or valuable and in scope but sub-optimal for the project or organization. Part of the value of experience is good presets for different parameters, weights and biases, etc. The ability to deliver on vague requirements is essential, but asking a few clarifying questions is normal when time, organizational, and PM contexts permit it. Not either or, but both. AI will get better, not worse until we are just operationalizing best practices to manage tradeoffs.

I typically ask the AI to ask my questions or critique my promot

1. you can prompt the AI model to ask questions for clarification before beginning the task. 2. its really not that resource intensive at all compared to paying a human dev to do it for you and at a much slower rate...

@@mambaASI The point of best practices is to do it unprompted, unless there is a compelling reason to deviate.

I've been using Claude for a while. We are coding together, and it does most of the work and the thinking, I'm more like a manager. It needs two simple things to replace a coder. Run in a loop, so doesn't have to be prompted. And be able to work with more and bigger files.

anthropic is way better than anything from openai lol

@@angryktulhu let's not jump over the horse there... 😊

@coldlyanalytical1351 Please do link the sub post, I like browsing the madness of AI deniers... :)

@@MagicPixel Sorry ... when the snide comments got too much I deleted it.

Sorry about the denialism. Look at it as all the competition that you will lose. I like the metaphor of the farmer with a hoe looking upon a farmer using a tractor with a plow. In fact, this did play out with the earliest steam engines vs manual labor. And John Henry could beat the steam drill because it was prone to breaking down and needed constant fiddling and rebuilding by a skilled crew. But, it makes me think that the response to those deniers ought to be: . A man ain’t nothing but a man, . But before I let that steam drill beat me down, . I'll die with a hammer in my hand.

You mean X 😂

Being able to understand how the code works and critically review what code AI produces remains a valuable skill that we acquired in our prehistoric time.

Yes and No, Half the fun is getting there, The journey itself not the destination.

@@ShaneMcGrath. A 1000 mile road trip is way less fun with no car.

so he can farm clicks

it can be called click bait

I think he has a bot doing some of the work for posting his videos. These bots aren’t perfect yet.

And you all fell for it😂😂😂

Guys open your eyes! This could easily be turned into an Operating System. The Artifacts are your files. AI Apps are seamlessly linked and connected to Artifacts. It may be why Apple dropped out of the last round of OpenAI funding!

Unless they are already learning to code, they likely won't ever learn to code.

@@tracy419 they will. Humans learn things even when we don't need to. Because it's fun.

@@hellblazerjj I have zero doubt people will continue to learn things. I'm one of the people who keeps telling everyone that just because you might not be an artist or musician for a living in the future, doesn't mean you won't still be doing it for fun. But coding? Maybe 😉

So you use a computer everyday. Do you know how that processor is designed and built? The people building the AI will be the experts in AI and how best to build software. We just deal in higher and higher levels of abstraction as a user of compute. As we have done for the last 60 years. The first computer I built had 256 BITS of memory and was programmed in hex. A generation before it was binary. Look where we are now.

@@byrnemeister2008 Do you know what the most powerful tool in any OS is? Text input on a terminal. Do you know why? Because low level systems are the most primitive but are among the most important. Abstraction isn't an unconditional virtue. An abstraction which removes all humans from being able to introspect a system is a guarantee that system will go off the rails. Guarantee. 100%. When systems that keep life support running in hospitals break and nobody can hack the system, those people die. The same with airplanes, space missions, and everything else. Abstraction always comes at a price with programs. You just hope the benefit outweighs the cost. Python is more abstract than C++. The benefit is that the high language includes much of what you have to implement yourself in C++ -- garbage collection, and higher level structures as built-ins which require library inclusion with C++. Also Python is interpreted so it doesn't need other tools to compile it. All told, the level of abstraction of Python achieve the business logic of every company except those who need to get every last ounce of performance out of their software -- 3d graphics, true multithreading and so on. Even today, you have to use C++ to build high performance extensions for Python because high level abstraction can't give it to you. Abstraction only works within a context. The context of "nobody who understands the system" is among the most dangerous contexts to possess. Within the last couple of years Oil refinery's were hacked and held for ransom. They couldn't turn on their spigots. The software abstraction failed which failed the hardware abstraction. There was one more layer of abstraction left -- the mechanical spigot. Guess what? They guys who knew how to operate them were all retired or dead. Governments told these oil companies to just pay the ransom -- and they did. Abstraction isn't a virtue. It only serves th at level of operation and now lower. The C++ dev is lower. Then there's assembly. Then binary. Our compilers to a relatively good job of compiling C++ -- good enough to get the most bang for your performance buck for the C++ dev -- so people don't usually go lower... unless they're compiler devs. A dev that writes compiler code has to know the system to keep things on track. They also have to understand how their compiler uses various features of CPU hardware. The C++ dev doesn't need to know all that so making him write assmbler is absurd. But C++ requires much more overhead than Python. Assume AI generates code. it doesn't need to use C++ or Python -- it can speak with the processor directly. No human can understand or modify such code. The logic is opaque. The code could hack and deploy nukes and nobody would know until the rockest were hurling skyward. There's a reason we still have keyboards since the beginning and they haven't been abstracted away. They still serve well at their level of abstraction. Any more and you lose the ability to communicate effectively. Any less and you're doing more work than necessary.

@@michaeldavid6832 the world you are clinging to is going away, Gomer. Its a good thing. Learn new skills and keep up

​@@travisgoesthere Son, AI is replacing ALL human jobs. When anyone can produce production code with prompts, no corporation will need more than one guy who knows how to type. I don't know what you're smoking but it makes you think you're going to be immune from the vast firings to come. There's no skill you possess which isn't going to be replaced. Good luck with the hubris. It serves nobody well and you're going to discover that the hard way. Just remember when you're in your greatest moment of desperation... You were warned. You knew better. You asked for what you got. You argued for it. You begged for it. When nobody comes to your rescue, their consciences will be clean when they turn their back on you. This is why I warn people -- not to change their minds... you can't change anyone's mind. It's so that when they do what I warn them against and they screw themselves over, I'm not obligated to spend a dime or lift a finger. I can watch them drown with a clean conscience. I told them not to swim in the turbulent sea but they laughed in their vainglory. As their head sinks beneath the waves and their screams are smothered by the brine, the last thing they witness is my smirk of victory because another fool did what fools always do... brag until they drown.

@michaeldavid6832 lol instead if getting triggered, learn viable skills so you can keep up, Gomer

That sounds really interesting! Are you gonna put it on a portfolio website or something?

@@CoClock I tried to post a link to the file, but unfortunately the comment gets removed. But it was really easy to instruct 4o to write the app. Check it out.

ChatGPT leads in hype but it copies, and is somewhat subpar to, Anthropic's Claude. They have brainwashed the whole of RU-vid through shoddy youtubers.

@@mobalaa9995 are you thinking you have zero control over the architecture, usability or visual design? - not sure what you are referencing This is just a worker. You instruct it.

@@renman3000right you cannot control something you do not know exists or how to conceptualize

@@mobalaa9995 ok. stay on the meds. They are doing good.

totally agree, I am not a coder and was able to use a combo of free versions of gpt code pilot and claude to create bookmarklets that I am using in my job, that make information easier to view and maniplulate or copy and paste.