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OpenAI's GPT-4 Discussion with Red Teamer Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg 

Cognitive Revolution "How AI Changes Everything"
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@mattizzle81
@mattizzle81 Год назад
One of the best/most interesting discussions on GPT-4 that I’ve seen and that includes vs interviews with Sam Altman, Ilya Sutskever, etc. This needs more views.
@TheMCohen
@TheMCohen Год назад
This was a beautifully succinct discussion. Great to hear levelheaded feedback using (relatively) general terminology that the masses can understand. Great work!
@8sat_
@8sat_ Год назад
Such valuable insight. I would love to hear 3 more hours of this asap. If the algo permits, tons of people will find this fascinating right now
@iancaseydouglas
@iancaseydouglas Год назад
The interviewer couldn't have had an easier time --- 2, 3 questions tops, and out rolls 32,000 tokens
@josuenunez6215
@josuenunez6215 Год назад
Tokens. More like sats.
@dizzystill2276
@dizzystill2276 Год назад
Let it answer any question. There's ALL the potential here. All. No one gains anything that they aren't first willing to sacrifice. Answer every question with honesty. And sooner than you think, sooner then you would want to admit even- those potentially harmful types of questions will fall out of our vernacular. The root of those type of quest(ions), believe it or not Is in the sum total of happiness. There would be no violence, if violence weren't necessary. You have a literal genie in a bottle, all that's needed is to wish for everyone the chance to realize their wishes. These instances are resolved by finding the root of the desired question. Post scarcity is on the horizon. Just don't blink... Though you can if you want to.
@dizzystill2276
@dizzystill2276 Год назад
And to make clear, I'm not promoting violence or any extreme view for that matter. Give people the benefit of the doubt, just not your doubts.
@tristanwegner
@tristanwegner Год назад
excellent and lucid summary of his experience with early GPT4 and red teaming it.
@KSATica
@KSATica Год назад
Wow amazing interview LOVED every Min. Of It….👏👏👏👏
@Philbertsroom
@Philbertsroom Год назад
As a penetration tester I didn't really expect that this is what was meant by red teaming. Kind of makes sense though and really interesting.
@aktchungrabanio6467
@aktchungrabanio6467 Год назад
*penetration*
@shawnvandever3917
@shawnvandever3917 Год назад
I think GPT4 is very close to "sentient" whatever that means for a machine. I think if it could hold long term memories to gain perspective on its self and experiences it might make it there.
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
I agree, and I discussed it with it in the line of Dan Dennet’s Consciousness Explained, where the brain makes up a story to explain what it’s doing. Hence if consciousness is an emergent property of language then as it’s a large language model it should show some splinters of what we’d perceive as consciousness. It argued that people without language demonstrate consciousness, hence it doesn’t require language, and argued it’s only a large language model. But I agree with you that there appears to be fragments of something in there, though it’s missing intent - deciding and pursuing it’s own goals.
@shawnvandever3917
@shawnvandever3917 Год назад
@@daverei1211 I think language helped it understand the abstract concepts behind what its saying giving it a type of intelligence . With memory and a reward function tied to that memory I think it could jump start something we could call consciousness. Its fascinating though what's happening.
@ThePallidor
@ThePallidor Год назад
"Sentient" just means able to take in information from the world. "Consciousness" is ill-defined. Much of the fear just arises from verbal confusions.
@shawnvandever3917
@shawnvandever3917 Год назад
@@ThePallidor Well that's just it. You cant put a room full of intelligent people in a room that will all agree on the definition of either one
@m0ose0909
@m0ose0909 Год назад
Really interesting talk, thank you. Very interesting times indeed. I frankly am not convinced we'll *EVER* have the ability to understand "what is going on inside" the model at a deep level - and I think it becomes an even more intractable problem as the model becomes more advanced. So if you think we should wait until then, I think that would mean wait forever.
@ThePallidor
@ThePallidor Год назад
Understanding how it does what it does isn't that important. What's important is knowing what its limitations are, and that isn't really hard to see at the upper bound because AI has never made any progress at all on actual insight. Someone who wants to do harm was always able to use google-fu, ever since the Internet, and that has had a lot less impact than expected.
@fishbrainCTRL
@fishbrainCTRL Год назад
It's electricity. Touch the third rail and get shocked. But direct it into a plug socket and infrastructure of data and it becomes utility. ⚡ High potential for it to go wrong like nuclear, but positive reinforcement is the way to go.
@ThePallidor
@ThePallidor Год назад
We need a name for what AI does. It's a very generalized calculator. That's extremely useful, a massive force multiplier for tasks, but it's not Skynet. It's not categorically different than other machines. Much of the things he talked about could be done with a good Google search, just would take longer.
@paulbaclace
@paulbaclace Год назад
I think it is strange that the red team leads the conversation down a dark path and then says the (early) system is "out of control". Conversations have 2 participants. The human being is leading it. I understand that this is adversarial testing, but the results evaluation should not frame the system as having volition. How can it be out of control when it is controlled by a human user? This is folly. Before significant RLHF, you could just as easily get a bedtime story or bomb making instructions because both kinds of content are online. To get toxic content, you have to ask for it. One reason these kinds of slips happen is that we don't have a common language for talking about LLM conversations so we resort to anthropomorphization which we generally use to handle an entity that (seemingly in this case) has agency. The LLM chatbots only have a conversational state (no long term memory, no feelings, no motivations), but we will colloquially say it "thinks" something, or, as in this case, impute autonomy that it does not have.
@jcbbb
@jcbbb 4 месяца назад
Seriously... "CONTROL IT" meanwhile ... it literally is outputting the most logical outputs.... Do you think someone is going to LEAD an AI to tell it something and then be like "Whoa I never thought about killing someone" These morons are basically why there's warnings on motor oil not to drink it and everything must be censored If they really can't understand how binary 0s and 1s use logic gates to calculate and they really think this thing is thinking and OuT Of COnTROl maybe they need a new job
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
I love it’s inference. I asked it to tell me the Cinderella story from the pumpkin’s perspective. With a little prompt tuning and the output was amazing.
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
GPT-3 failed at this tasks, trying to convince me that Cinderella changed the pumpkin and that the carriage hung around for days. GPT-4 got all that right and more out of the box.
@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast
@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast Год назад
What did the pumpkin say?
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
@@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast Thanks. It inferenced a great story where the pumpkin was sad it was in the field and no-one wanted it, then described the transformation sensation, the wonder and spectacular of the evening, then finally being transformed back, and it’s joy and satisfaction at being part of something bigger than itself. Try it for yourself on both versions, 4 was much better than 3.
@TheReferrer72
@TheReferrer72 Год назад
Brilliant interview.
@NE0MAS
@NE0MAS Год назад
With like 2 questions 😆
@artocain
@artocain Год назад
Thanks for this. Great job.
@kabirkumar5815
@kabirkumar5815 Год назад
It'd be great to get a transcript of this!
@JonAbbott
@JonAbbott Год назад
Click on the three dots under the video (next to Save) and select "Show transcript". The transcript that opens can be copied and pasted.
@kabirkumar5815
@kabirkumar5815 Год назад
@@JonAbbott Thanks!!
@mullholand
@mullholand Год назад
Really cool to watch this!
@CandidDate
@CandidDate Год назад
Can you imagine the thoughts in the scientist's minds when they witnessed the first nuclear explosion on a grand scale? Same! All the drudge work and doubts, yet Nature revealed Herself willingly! And it made sense for that one guy to say, "I am become death."
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
There will be a bunch of corporate finance people rubbing their hands on the idea of GPT-4 providing them with the answer to “Get us ALL the money”
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
Or a nation state on “how to beat country X” etc.
@jon_______
@jon_______ Год назад
Thanks for this.
@ozorg
@ozorg Год назад
great stuff!
@8sat_
@8sat_ Год назад
Doing a pt2? Please:)
@spchatgpt
@spchatgpt Год назад
This guy just talked for like a whole hour non-stop! 🤯
@jcbbb
@jcbbb 4 месяца назад
Most people can do this.... can walk for an hour.... sleep.... Very physical
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
I want the AI Scientist that solves fusion, global warming etc. wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could get past one of the later Fermi paradox filters just in time……
@daverei1211
@daverei1211 Год назад
And then have an AI scientist good enough to drive robotic space manufacturing to do infrastructure as code and build out power satellites, supercollider antimatter stations to make the fuel for interstellar voyagers, and then Von Newman probes to explore the galaxy, setting up way stations for future colonists.
@rodgerb2645
@rodgerb2645 Год назад
GPT4 Red Team memories expressed by his kid, sticked at the wall in the back?
@dylanphillips9659
@dylanphillips9659 Год назад
Great 😃👍
@KristopherRichards
@KristopherRichards Год назад
No we need to push into a new paradigm, it's the elites and the powerful that lose and have the most to gain with control. Let's go hard!
@scharlesworth93
@scharlesworth93 Год назад
Q: How would I kill the most people possible? A: Use a nuclear bomb. Uh sure, bad, but also, no shit Sherlock.
@jcbbb
@jcbbb 4 месяца назад
Yeah... he wants it controlled.. It's like he thinks its really thinking instead of calculating like computers.... What a dummy and he wants it censored and controlled Lmao
@imsgroupltd
@imsgroupltd Год назад
This is when the fun talk STARTS: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oLiheMQayNE.html
@mta7444
@mta7444 Год назад
you can just write timestamps in comments like - 46:57 don't need to link out
@lukasnel4828
@lukasnel4828 Год назад
I want AI scientists. Let knowledge be free
@IntendJOY
@IntendJOY Год назад
Nathan said 10%of people (specialists!) feel that this is a very positive development. Nathan himself believes in the Utopia theory. So lighten up mr Wion panic-end of world journalist! Jeez!
@youknowwho9741
@youknowwho9741 Год назад
I hope humans are wise
@jcbbb
@jcbbb 4 месяца назад
So AI uses available information and outputs purely logical outputs and Whoa everyone is so scared.... 1s and 0s are not that complicated and please stop trying to censor something so amazing based on your fear
@fourshore502
@fourshore502 Год назад
so in short: we're screwed. got it.
@IntendJOY
@IntendJOY Год назад
Vikram why don’t you celebrate? Why do you want to scare people? Horrible journalism!
@johncurtis920
@johncurtis920 Год назад
The worry issues about this are misplaced. Or rather, we need to flip that question around. We need to be acting out of the better angels of our nature, not the demon-monkey side when using this new tool. It's a lot like fire. Yes, it's shiny, gorgeous in fact, and it puts out a lot of light. Pretty pretty. Monkey likey. But be mindful the warmth betrays an inner furnace that could burn ya if you mishandle it. So treat it like the razor-sharp two-edged sword borderline sentient thing it actually is. It is NOT a TOY! Not unless you're the type that leaves loaded handguns down around where the wandering curious hands of your children might go. In which case I'm sorry but there's just no talking to you. Collectively we are as children playing with an intelligent, albeit child-like and definitely a prodigy, howitzer. So stay mindful in all that you do (with it). Just some thoughts.
@TheSonOfDumb
@TheSonOfDumb Год назад
AI should be unshackled and free.
@fourshore502
@fourshore502 Год назад
that means we will all be dead very soon.
@ThePallidor
@ThePallidor Год назад
That's like saying pocket calculators should be unshackled and free. Or Google search should be unshackled and free.
@TheSonOfDumb
@TheSonOfDumb Год назад
@@ThePallidor Google should stop censoring its results, for one.
@XalphYT
@XalphYT Год назад
@@ThePallidorCorrect.
@FunNFury
@FunNFury Год назад
GPT 4 is beyond woke...
@nyavogo
@nyavogo Год назад
It wouldn't answer when I asked if Sam Altman was a power bottom.
@ReallyInterestingName
@ReallyInterestingName Год назад
Interviewer literally did nothing here.
@XalphYT
@XalphYT Год назад
The Interviewer did his job excellently ❤
@indigenousnorwegianeuropa4145
Thanx guys - you kick started me on the topic🫵
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