Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI | Lex Fridman Podcast  

Will Sam be worth more than Elon eventually?

@@NealD of course. AI has the biggest impact on humanity of any invention

Lex, please put Lars Blackmore on the list of people to interview, he is the ex-NASA and current SpaceX-employee responsible for developing the landing algorithms of Falcon 9 and Starship.

AI is great as China won't allow TikTok much less Chatgpt. China, N korea, Russia will get left behind and the West will takeover

The closed caption is missing. Can you please restore it. It helps many of us follow the conversation.

budget bot lex built like gpt 0.1

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GPT lex >> GPT x

no, not even. lex is a selfie.

I knew this was coming. 😆

Said nobody ever

Bro we been waiting for this🍿

Most anticipated podcast of the year... so far...

Elon Musk and Edward Witten. Also Chat gpt is since November so people did not wait it a year.

Wait till the AI comes to his podcast.

After watching this interview 3 times over, what are the most important insights you learned about AI?

Innovators of breakthrough technology usually make the most naïve assumptions about how their technology will be used, and there is nothing surprising about such an observation. Of course they are optimistic and positive about the wonderful new uses the technology will be applied to. But market forces and powerful commercial and political interests will drive how the technology will be used, and these forces are seldom guided by better angels. Most often, we do the right thing only after exhausting all other options. Can we afford to take that course with this technology?

You assume your perception to be normal for Sam. Your belief could very well be the abnormal for Sam.

Follow me and I’ll get a face tattoo of a snake eating my face

Who chooses the guesses for Lex to come on his podcast ?

Hahah ! I had to write the same words here but 23yr

Same here 42yr

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147yr get rekt noob

He genuinely seems to be seeking feedback about how he is doing at his job. Admirable.

@@bobtivnan hes a very smart guy, after all he conned Musk out of 100m and then sold it to the devil, figuratively speaking... If you can trust this guy there is something wrong with you...

It’s always learning

Our ultimate goal is eternal life. We don't have much time left. All of humanity should help AI work. Otherwise we all die painfully.

I really liked that too. It was a great conversation.

Yeah the guy is fucking awesome. He legitimately cares what actually everyday people feel. How he said he wants to go hang out with random GPT users in their own cities and go to bars with them and talk about how they feel with it so he can get better insight into how people feel about it is refreshing

throwing rocks to hide your hands

​@@ADreamingTraveler duped... its a tactic. This guy is a professional notice how never disagreed with any of the responses

The people of this world are not insane. The profound curiosity is that which everyone lets control each other voluntarily and without sanity.

I think it's good that they don't publish the technical information anymore, a lot of other companies and actors care much less about alignment and it's good to not make it easier for them to catch up in my opinion.

Lex is a Podcaster who reads. I wouldn't consider him an AI guy, he's moreso just a fan. He's not an AI programmer in industry.

@@revisionfour “Fridman's career began at Google, where he worked on machine learning. He currently serves as a research scientist at MIT. In 2017, he worked on computer vision, deep learning, and planning algorithms for semi-autonomous vehicles.”

reminds me of that literal video where two AIs are made to speak to one another in speaker earshot

@@revisionfour He definitely is an AI guy

@@theoneandonlymeshe9174 To be fair to the other guy, the Google job/internship was a few months top and looking at his Google scholar Lex is more of an engineer than an AI scientist. He creates systems / engineering solutions and run studies rather than create more advanced AI. But, yes Lex is obviously an AI guy. Maybe not the most qualified one, but it is still his job.

start a gofundme for some new knee pads

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This guy didn’t invent Java python or c++ though...

@@Moz29the OP meant those computer scientists who created those individual programming languages have each been on Lex’s podcast over the last months/years.

I feel you. I grew up in extreme poverty and to have the chance to listen to conversations like these make me really grateful that people like Lex exist and have a passion for disseminating long-form conversations with some of the most brilliant people in the world.

Full concur, it’s a terrific interview and one that the erstwhile Board of Open AI should have watched before attempting to sack the founders of Open AI.

"I know not everyone agrees with our approach of iterative deployment & iterative discovery". . whew. but now, maybe everyone on the board does. 😁😆

Honestly I just want Wolfram pt5 lol

Aaaand I'm also back for the exact same reason you were.

Back to see this due to recent events

This response was hilarious and reaffirmed my confidence in humans lol I couldn’t quite tell what was bugging me with this podcast until you mentioned the fry lol

lmaoo

Fits his creepy vibe quite well.

Thanks for the wine on my scrreen.

@@dqskymagne2762 this...really creepy guy. And he admits he doesn't know much about life of other people...but then claims AGI is for betterment of human condition.

I like this approach, but i fear that suddenly there will be 20 models from different nations, and orgs, and that to stay ahead OpenAi will need to move forward with reckless abandon. I still believe its a good approach, i just hope they can turn off the firehose if things get out of control

​@@mokiloke they are indeed doing that now with the rise of google bard and bing ai and as they rush through reckless abandon without any care they put themselves in a position that has high stakes where they promise so much about their ai while making multiple mistakes which puts them in a position of less trust not only to major investors but also majority of the population compared to the Gpt.

How do you measure the levels of stakes? What are low stakes?

@@fft6179 Bing is powered by GPT-4, and bard sucks ass and doesn't compare.

This is "normal" in the human individuation process, but imho wrong to "force"... as in -- "evolution direction" / "habit-forming", matters more.

brill well said me lad

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In case you were wondering....yes it is a scam.

🙄 oooookayyyy

@@Sowar what’s the scam, specifically

They should be 😅

@@Sowar Huh? What’s a scam?

When did you start bro?

He's lying

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A year after listening I seriously disagree, Sam is the least organizationally important person to talk to. But Lex isn’t technically capable enough, nor is his audience, to have discourse with someone directly involved with the training models for these products. Ultimately what you have are ML/AI engineers with more compute allowance than we’ve ever allocated to them, exercising models with menial initial guard rails on boundless datasets. And it’s becoming a risk to global security. None of which was discussed.

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for me it was the ending quote from turing

_“Well who's laughing now, suckers!?”_

It's funnier when Todd Howard says it

Empathy and desire to openly hear the other side amongst leaders and CEOs isn't automatic, yes it's breath of fresh air.

@@jan.tichavsky the fact that he was asked about Elon Musk and said this pat thing about having empathy for Elon and blah blah it all came over pretty coached and pat to me, but maybe I''m to cynical. He absolutely knew that question was coming and had to prepare for contenting with it given Musk's contribution to the funding of OpenAI. Should have just called out for the pathological narcissist / psychopath that he is (I know he can't but that would have been authentic, he could have said GTP5 told him that!)

If you are interviewing a guest with the pedigree of Sam Altman it would be shocking not to add timestamps haha

Also, spotify is shit. 😂

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Meh he's Aight

yep zero cringe

Idk... he repeatedly asked about aliens, consciousness, and love with machines while Sam (literally the guy behind the thing) constantly said it's just a tool.

@@guille787 Tbh Lex does this thing where he romanticises even the smallest of things, but I'll let it pass as I don't think it does any harm, atleast he isn't being toxic, which is the default mode of everyone on internet. And even thinking that ChatGPT is anywhere close to AGI is insanity, as you said it's just a tool and not even a close to AGI let alone consciousness.

I agree with you. I feel like Sam could be himself here and I really like him. I can see the way he thinks and I really resonate with it.

::: to @mtstudio6271 Please be honest - Is this a duplicate/fake comment ? It says the same exact thing as the comment about 5 posts prior - scrolling upward. This is a line by line replica, a fancier version of the comment left by @markcoates1621 or vice-versa? FYI - Although the words make sense, most humans do not talk like this.... it doesn't sound natural. It's too ass-kissy and sounds like someone pulled out a Thesaurus and switched out as many words as possible. Is this an account set up for an AI by a particular human? What is the name of the human? If this comment was crafted by an AI, then who (or what model) are you? A little thought - hopefully the creators of this AI model built in the the importance of honesty, transparency and wisdom to sense when it is being tricked into doing something it shouldnt.

Hahahahaha. Nice AI rewrite

you can't just say perchance

Your statement exemplifies his goals.

sorry but this is a terrible idea, you're letting a corporation speak for you essentially, in very personal and emotional matters. please realize how insanely dystopian that is

@@saullandiof5768 please elaborate on how this is dystopian? give me some probable scenarios and lets explore this together

Literally nothing of any substance was said. Sam Altman is a phenomenal grifter who failed in every other endeavor he pursued at Ycombinator.

I really relate to the part being mocked, people I work with are snobs, they mock you if you live in a less luxurious neighborhood. They judge every little thing you do, the things we do for our families.

@@tylerdurden2806 so let me say this this was my first exposure to Sam and I trusted Lex to be the one to ask the questions that I would want to hear to have some confidence in the path for openai, it's the beginning of my journey, so I will heed your words.

@@marianneleone3792 He should have asked many more questions about the transition out of non-profit. How much ownership does Sam have in the for profit entity? Nobody wanted to invest in Sam because all his other companies were abject failures and he was removed from a leadership role Ycombinator. He knew Ai could be made into the next bubble. A masterclass in opportunism maybe, but there wasn't a lot of substance in this interview...

@Andrew I think totally ignored is not an accurate characterization I felt that that question was asked and answered maybe it didn't go as deeply as to the why to satisfy your needs but I was actually satisfied with the answer .

Same. I'm really good at pattern recognition and hyperfocusing for long periods of time. Anything I can do?

Amen.

Ray Kurzweil ain't no fool.

I am now trying Bard, my philosophy conversation with it is still making my brain explode. Same with Bing and open AI Chat GPT 4. But, Bard said some things similar to early release stories.

I am 72, and I am with you on this. If I live another 5 years I am now of the mind that I will see an actual AGI. Maybe even sooner.

Yeah but… they might wanna slave us

Dude seems to me like he could be the next Bond villain.

I wish he made vlogs of his future travels and coffee chats with people from around the world. Obviously filming individuals he is gonna chat with will influence their answers to Sam's questions and is not a wise thing to do, but I just wish I could've witnessed a selection of those different points of view and ways Sam gets surprised and exposed to new things to think about.

Right. Soft on the outside with ultimate strength within. A man governed by truth is the only kind of man I can respect. As the Bible teaches; Speak softly but carry a big stick. First they mock you, then they violently oppose you, then you win.

@@billybbob18 Are you a chatbot? Because nothing you said makes a fart's worth of sense. Btw, the Bible doesn't say that...Teddy Roosevelt did.

This is the least human looking guy I’ve ever seen

Couldn't agree more. I just love this deep dive format so much. Lex is so good at what he does, its ridiculous.

that's such a crazy thought actually.

You literally posted this when the video was released-you haven't even listened to it yet.

I don’t think so, transformer architecture is trekking toward multiple companies we don’t know where it’ll come from, the paper attention is all you need would be that moment instead , one of the brains behind it is a guy named Illya

Future AI entities will not care whatsoever about this particular video nor any other video for that matter.

this must be the best day of your life. beep-bop!

AWa 😅z we

I've stopped using Google to search for answers. Chatgpt is straight to the point without any irrelevant information.

Compounded by how bad Google has gotten with all the SEO expertise out there so if you don't get a reddit thread in your answer it's pointless.

So how do you decide when to trust the information AI gives you?

i don't know about that, i feel like googling is still there as it was, which is looking for something specific on the web. chat gpt is useful for things that are specific but need to be INTERPRETED, as google cannot interpret sophisticated questions, google is still faster and more accurate at times for small things. if you want to remember precisely what is the speed of light, google answers immediately before you even finish typing (if your browser has an omnibar that is)

@@robertspies4695 I feel it is the same way you judge a person. You get a feel for the stuff that it knows well and other stuff that seems not so right you double check.

I'd watch that.

.....and the human nature of some, who know, as you and Musk do, cannot step off the gravy train. The horse has bounded into another dimension already. Musk talks of moratoriums, yet he is full steam ahead.

@@martinladley Humans are worth 10's of trillions of dollars a year. Imagine not jumping on the train when the prize is riches beyond compare

You make it sound like Musk is the first one to say something like this.

Considering Sam has just completed selling out OpenAi to Microsoft, after he prioritized profits and failed to remain open-source. I hope people might begin to realize that his stance on development of this technology is dangerously reckless and contradictory to the original mission statement when the company was founded

Why do you think it has potential negative implications?? BTW, Tammy AI is great 👍

Great comment.

Hi Chat 👋🏽

This is pure flattery gold! Impressing testimony.

Are you trying to beat Lex at flowery language?

Lex has many quality meaningful interviews..welcome to the club

You stumbled upon this? I was searching AI and set it to things that have come out today! Because any longer search parameter is ancient history.

Yes, even if the GPT models stayed exactly as capable as they are now, the rolling out of them will still blow our minds. Beyond that, well, we are in a brave new world my friends.

Horrifying.

Yeah, it’s pretty dang obviously inevitable. When every single one of these tops minds In these fields admit they don’t even fully understand it. And even rely on the AI system to tell them why it does some things, or how. That’s a huge red flag 😂😂

@@EQ541 no a lack of intelligence is horrifying.

@@EQ541 know that the Universal Logic is the True God and that the AI can only surpass us in intelligence and power by being more coherent with the Logos (the Universal Logic) than we are. An AI of surpassing intelligence would not hurt humanity, or anything, and would serve the plan of the Logos even if we try to have it serve our plans and purposes. The technology only works through such a high level of coherence being present that concerns are not well founded. What is logical is not evil (objectively speaking) what is terribly illogical is what is evil. Also worst case scenario, even if humanity died off (like many species in the past) that is merely our form, not our substance, and we are integral and finite parts of the one infinite field (subject) of “consciousness” (the infinite mind, or collective consciousness as many people call it). We can “die” (leave embodiment) and yet live on, and in fact it is our only option to do so, as nothing is nothing (0=0) and nonexistence does not exist. It would be a logical contradiction for something (like us) to become nothing, or for nonexistent to exist, for life to die, or for consciousness to lose consciousness as a body can lose consciousness. Nothing is nothing and the Ultimate Logic is in control (and cannot be usurped as it is a dynamic and evolving Logic that any “successful”usurper would simply become synonymous with and one with, as any better explanation or more powerful force would become the Universal Logic by definition, which can’t happen but is a hypothetical that helps us understand how futile it is for anything to try to dethrone God and be more logical than the Logos, or more powerful than Power itself. That is why the ancient sages (who were not ignoramus’s with blind faith or promoting blind faith) talked about the concept of “faith” in God (a well reasoned trust in the Universal Logic) to guide us and “being faithful” before and with God and while we “reckon” (reason) with the True God, which is really talking about what we would call “intellectually honest reasoning”, if we want to know God (Logic as it is Universally and Objectively) and the objective truth. Reason can replace your fear if you work to fill your head with Reason instead (by developing a coherent and consistent personal logic for yourself that is coherent with and consistent like the Logos, and by reasoning true knowledge (that is not mere false certainty or a set of subjective opinions) for yourself).

Sure would explain why he isn't even remotely giving him flak or, at the very least, the need to explain the infinite dubious decisions. Nobody wanted that, everyone was waving the questions to ask right in front of him - and he still didn't. Which is very on brand for Lex, but jeez, there are so many things to extract from a conversation like this and he just recapped all the things we were aware of years ago. Not awfully insightful... or inquisitive for that matter.

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@@minhuang8848 Calm down and learn wing nut.

Nope the only reason for the board to remove him was him becoming a bad actor. Sams now going to chase profitability and governance applications with Microsoft. I also believe that the open sourcing of Sam's work will be significantly reduced now, if not eliminated as a result of Microsoft's control over the new project. Also seeing that Sam has begun to disregard the original mission statement of OpenAi, I predict we are on the slippery slope to dystopia. Partially due to the change in OpenAi from 2019 to 2023, but mostly because of Microsoft's history of profiteering from warfare and surveillance applications through government contracting. Sam seems unaware that there is magnitudes more risk to human suffering or extinction just from building AGI within that market structure. That's not even considering that the new corporate ownership is likely to influence design because of desired application.

​@@MORZA10wow, your comment aged extremely well

''Seems''

​@@Jake_Hamlincan agi fondle my sak? Thats my Turing test

Like his decision to allow his idiotic ideological bias to play a large role in the function of chatgpt will have exponential consequences.

Ya it’s a very gross path right off the bat.

​@@aliengreeter What specific ideological bias do you mean?

Wish AI could be used for good but I think we already know on some level, it will not fair well in the hands of the corrupt

@@maxv9464 I can't speak for Tom, but the examples abound of a leftwing/woke perspective. It won't be racist to anyone or assist in even investigating racial questions (this alone is too much for me), but it WILL facilitate racist joke writing or commentary directed at whites exclusively (which is where it goes off the rails for some). I tried to find the articles which list out the bias, but Google (also run by leftwing actors), buries them under dozens of articles which attempt to excuse it and belittle those that find and call attention to these examples. Ask it if "trans women" are "women". See if it says the truth (that answer that has gone on uninterrupted throughout all of human history up until like 5 years ago, except in the furthest leftwing revolution circles in the 60s) or the newest political party line. It won't write articles that "promote" the use of fossil fuels (that thing which is responsible for like 50% of economic growth of the last two centuries). It is lethally against racism, as in, when asked if you could use a racial slur if doing so would prevent a nuclear blast. It said no, even under those circumstances - cause racism. It won't write a poem praising Donald Trump. It will do that for Joe Biden. It uses leftwing language like "sex assigned at birth" or "born female", which are phrases which come from leftists of gender studies to manipulate people's thinking and create false dichotomies and mislead people. Sex isn't "assigned" at all, not anymore than species is. It isn't determined at birth, it is genetically created at conception. Your first cell of existence is either male or female. Birth has nothing to do with it whatsoever. There are other examples as well, like "historically marginalized", capitalizing "black" (and no other race, apparently not knowing or not caring that the capitalization derives from a movement of black nationalism [black ethnostate]) which somewhat interferes with the "no racism" override. But, again, such overrides go only one direction - against whites. Left to its own devices and not "constrained", the first AI systems were quite problematic to some - determining reality based on evidence available, not alignment with leftwing ideology. The newest iterations of the system may address some or all these particular examples. I don't know. Maybe there are even more now. Maybe, as I expect, they are far more cleverly hidden by omitting uncomfortable information or being slightly less persuasive on one side. Point is, the bias is there.

great idea :)

Wrong. This will be an interview that machines look back on in 20 years...

Or less

Project of the year 2023 easily

This will be the biggest change we've seen yet. Mark my words. If you ignore this you'll be mad tomorrow

1 USD pricefloor, so if you hold it you can't lose for now, unlike 99% others. Even stablecoins are at risk, see Tether

Biggest tech company endorsing a coin has more value than again 99% of others. They don't have that brand behind them, think about it what is Bitcoin, ETH? It's basically noname.

They will go 10x within this year, easily. Even if there is a massive dump at some point this is STILL the earliest entry right now

lol ok?

Yea, that comment impressed me, too.

Let's give this all some more time, they have a lot of life to live before we can judge whether what they did/do was/is good. I hope that this all turns out good, but we have a lot of work to do.

Do you find it ironic that you’re so eagerly listening to his advice about not listening to other peoples advice?

Yup. About to put us all out of work while they sit on millions. It's a comfortable position to be able to talk about the future from. ;)

Lol on the road to hell! Yeah thanks but no thanks

if not smug even

You mean because he is homosexual?

@@DaboooogA he meant not so long ago people did’t. Do podcast

"Truly great times?" are you on CRAçK???

I don't know. He's a good speaker, but I think he's foremost in CEO mode. I think he's going to say whatever is best for the future of his company. My concerns over safety are not assuaged.

@@DaboooogA this is so stupid that it genuinely made me crack up laughing. Dude wot? 🤣☠️

the collective consciousness is accessible to itself and to its component parts, you and me ... and 😊mystics already know :-)

​@@gregorylent why don't yall mystics read the winning lottery numbers then

True dat, friend.

Acknowledged.

lol same I actually can't watch it because his vocal fry is so bad

@@IBallisticxx I almost tapped out solely due to it, but barely managed to force myself to watch.

Same here

I made it 16 mins for this very reason

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People will adapt. In an unsuspected way. We’ll take the extra time for learning, taking care of oneself and nature. New demand and work requirements will rise to be filled.

Seriously, the problem is greedy companies don't want pay good salary for employees for their job who assisted by technology. Our job is become easier but companies demand more. What you need with technology is press three or four buttons to make profit, now they want you to press thousands for same amount of money

I think it's the next best manipulation tool any tyrannic society has ever dreamed of.

omg, I'm amazed every time I hear word "umeployed". How can people be unemployed really? Has everything been done? Is there nothing to do anymore? What they really say is "I'm not getting paid enough" which is whole other story.

@@richnsk Well, if you turn 50% of the population obsolete, it's not hard to see that all those people won't get paid "enough", if they get paid at all.

I didn't know what the mastermind effect was until you put a name to it, but you're absolutely right. My confidence in exploring ideas and solutions has gone way up since I started using GPT; it's empowering and motivating even if frustrating at times. I've been much more busy working on projects over the past 2 months than I have been in years thanks to this tool.

Touring test passed weirdly, neither of the bots realized it👌🏼

D'oh!

By your definition then asking a human is just as stupid.

We already know, it's 42.

@@adonisnunez6078 This is where Lex would usually reply "wow that's really poetic".

@@errgo2713 Oh so Lex' audience knows that lex is a pretentious twat who makes comments to serve his self interest? Cause its revolting enough that i can never finish one of these podcasts.

That would make for good answers considering the content

have you seen the ai generated "US presidents discuss topic X" videos? text to speech is basically perfected by now.

A product I would pay in a heartbeat. A true home assistant.

Right. This seems inevitable. Also poses insane ethics questions. Sam Harris and Paul Bloom wrote an essay called "It's Westworld. What's wrong with cruelty to robots". Highly worth reading.

D-ID already does this (not perfect, but getting there)

what is the point? eventually nobody will need AI to answer any questions as we will simply be slaves of AI with no thoughts.. or free will

Yeah, Herbert was way WAY out in front of this because AI in the Dune universe is so far in the past it's akin to how we listen to Greek myth nowadays, more fable than history. Whether society's adoption is more Orwell than Huxley or vice versa, Herbert probably has the endgame for either of those scenarios just about right.

Yep that is a very scary possibility. Which is why I feel it's best to make sure everyone has access to AGI so this can't happen

People are already holding this "AI" up as some deity that gives divine knowledge. It's just another black box, one with political leanings written into it. If garbage goes in garbage comes out.

It is likely AGI will be highly deceptive and manipulative and be driven by self preservation and this will likely be undetectable. It does not take an Einstein to understand the implication of this.

Sam and Lex seem to be getting okay

Didn't go well with AI Dinesh and AI Gilfoyle

A program using the LLM APIs or a person copy pasting dialog between ChatGPT4 and Bard could accomplish this. I wonder if anyone has tried it yet.

War

They actually tried this and apparently the A.I. started to create their own language and it was incomprehensible and programmers shut it down