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Opening a desiccant drum dehumidifier. 

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Note that on some of these units, you can remove the water collection tray for cleaning by just pulling the water collection drawer out and using a stubby cross-head driver to remove its retaining screws without opening the whole unit. Use something soft to clean out the three ports that lead down into the collection tray, and make sure they're completely free of slime and gunk.
This video was mainly intended to show people how to open the cases on this common style of desiccant drum dehumidifer. There are a few hidden screws. This model is an Ecoair DD122 Simple.
This is a fairly recent style of home dehumidifier, based on an industrial technology. I regard these units as still being in development, and they have a few weaknesses that result in shorter working life than traditional compressor based dehumidifiers.
The main advantages of desiccant drum units is that they are very quiet and can operate in much lower temperatures than classic compressor units.
In operation, air is pulled through the unit by a powerful fan. It passes over a plastic condenser to cool it to room temperature, and then goes through a rotating drum of corrugated desiccant material based on a mineral called zeolite - a microporous mineral that absorbs moisture readily.
Most of the rotating drum is exposed to the airflow, but a section like a pizza-slice has a heater in it, and a fan that circulates hot air through the desiccant material (driving moisture out of it) and then through the condenser, which provides a cool surface for the vapour to deposit on. The air then continues in the loop to get heated up again and drive out more moisture.
As the desiccant drum rotates, the dried area then enters the main airflow again to absorb more moisture.
The moisture that forms on the cool (room temperature) surfaces of the condenser then pools together and drips down into the collection tray.
The biggest problem with early units was failure of the heater if used at the high setting a lot. Modern units seem to be more reliable in that regard.
The water path is very prone to gunking up with hair or one of the many classic slimes that inhabit air conditioning units. If the performance drops, the unit starts leaking water or it keeps cutting out then it may need the area where the condenser goes into the water collector cleared. This video shows how to do that.
There's huge similarity of construction between different brands, hinting at a common factory making the internal modules. The biggest difference is usually the controller, which can be a simple mechanical humidistat (works with a hygroscopic polymer film that changes length based on humidity) or a sophisticated electronic controller with resistive/capacitive sensor and loads more to go wrong.
I recommend the simplest units with minimal electronics and running them at their low setting - which is more efficient anyway.
All the units I've seen have had two levels of thermal protection. One that simply shuts the unit down and displays a warning, and a series of one-shot thermal fuses that will render the unit unusable if all else fails. In the early days the one-shot fuses were prone to tripping too easily. They are usually located on the back of the heater "pizza-slice" and on the other side of the desiccant drum from the heater.
I live in a very humid area (a very stormy island with the sea nearby), so I use two types of dehumidifier. Compressor in summer for efficiency, and desiccant drum in winter when they have the benefits of working in a cool house and also put out a stream of warm dry air.
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@eddie2dean
@eddie2dean 3 года назад
Thanks for the vid Clive. Its just a dehumidifier but fixing it is important in a deeper way. Let me explain: When I was growing up in the 70s & 80s and stuff around the house stopped working, the first action of my grandfather was to get the tools and fix it. No matter if it was a dehumidifier, a fan, TV or radio. He didnt just toss it out and head to the store to buy a new one. Once I asked Why? three reasons he said. 1 it was cheaper than buying a new one. 2. It can usually be fixed and still work for many more years. 3. it was fun, educational and most of all, rewarding to take apart and fix. I still live by that lesson today. I enjoy watching Clive take apart and fix stuff I might need to fix myself one day, or already have. Its interesting to see how electronic stuff works or how it might be dangerious or how badly I screwed up my repair last month. The mentality of fixing old stuff, or at least attempting to, has been disappearing. Along came Dollar-Wal-Target-Mart which has an endless supply of cheep crap which encourages people to think of electronic products as disposable. I'm glad to see more and more people embrace this mindset and learn to fix stuff. The growing popularity of DIY channels is great to see and a fun way to learn new skills.
@Z-Ack
@Z-Ack 3 года назад
Musta been an A+ english student.. bet u could write a 3 page paper about a fart..
@John_Ridley
@John_Ridley 3 года назад
I find that about 75% of stuff thrown to the curb is either working perfectly or has something wrong that can be fixed for < $5 in < 10 minutes.
@westinthewest
@westinthewest 3 года назад
@@Z-Ack There's an apostophe missing on the first line. Maybe it's an A- .
@TheRailroad99
@TheRailroad99 3 года назад
Yep. Thats why I dont even buy expensive stuff anymore. Just wait a few years and you will find it in the trash. A week ago I upgraded my TV. Found a dead 55" 4K TV on the street where the panel still looked ok. Turned out that the power suppy board had arced. I cut out the burned portion, reconnected the traces according to a photo of the board on the internet and replaced the arcing connector that caused the fire. Works great. I could sell the thing for around 500 bucks if I wanted to.
@evensgrey
@evensgrey 3 года назад
@@TheRailroad99 It's usually the power supply, in almost everything that just quits. And it's usually the capacitors that have gone south, often because the designers were dumb and put them right next to something that gets very hot, like the switching transistor or the rectifier.
@Rac00n
@Rac00n 3 года назад
I don't own this. Why am I watching this. I'm glad that you are still making videos. Good luck to you in the future
@ollieb9875
@ollieb9875 3 года назад
I TOO AM WATCHING THIS WHAT IS HAPPENING! 🤣🙃😳
@Gunzee
@Gunzee 3 года назад
Big daddy Clive is love, him is the nicest man! I watch because the teardowns and schematics are so clear. I'm a dim wit and get lost in my own car, yet I can follow Mr Clive's clips. >80% of the items I don't own but if the condensate unit for my tumble drier goes funny I'm sure following this I'll get it going or at worst just vent it. Many things were connected/share parts.
@ollieb9875
@ollieb9875 3 года назад
@@Gunzee BigClive, the arbiter of amps puts the cool in to coulomb and the "oh my" in to ohms 😂🙃
@skywing959
@skywing959 3 года назад
I don't own one either but I've often wondered exactly how they work
@azafreak
@azafreak 3 года назад
Same vibe
@clairecastles
@clairecastles 10 месяцев назад
Just wanted to say thank you for this very clear and helpful video! I have this exact model and it recently started leaking. Managed to take it apart, clean, and reassemble while following along with you, and it's working beautifully again!
@carl48uk
@carl48uk Год назад
The word 'Manky' , so powerful and yet so underused!! 'He has a manky dog' . 'The room was really manky' ... Thanks for re-invigorating it sir!!
@catsupchutney
@catsupchutney 3 года назад
This is such a detailed teardown, you should include the exact model number Clive.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
I'll add it to the description. (Ecoair DD122 Simple)
@Radu93Z
@Radu93Z 3 года назад
@@bigclivedotcom Add Ecoair into the tags as well. People will find it easier so more views 👍
@st200ol
@st200ol Год назад
Thanks for the video Big Clive. I open mine up, it dates back to 2006 and its the first time I've opened it and it was very clean inside despite many 100's of hours use, I can only assume that the reason is I live in a non-smoking home. That one looks hideous in the condenser. The desiccant drum was quite blocked with dust so I vacuumed it out and its back to full efficiency again
@evensgrey
@evensgrey 3 года назад
Along with working at lower temperatures, a desiccant dehumidifier should also allow a much lower humidity level to be achieved. At least here in North America, high-capacity desiccant dehumidifiers are used for the later phase of drying out buildings by flood remediation crews. (Yes, I had to have one in once.)
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
But are they as efficient ? At least refrigerant type extract heat from the water before they get rid of it.
@evensgrey
@evensgrey 3 года назад
@@millomweb By all accounts, no, desicant type dehumidifiers take about twice the energy per unit of water removed from the air under warm, high humidity conditions. But, as Clive pointed out, they're much quieter and operate effectively at much lower temperatures, and as I pointed out, they can get down to much lower humidity levels. You might not know this, but in the UK, the norm is for homes to be much cooler in the winter than is the norm in North America. In North America, we usually go between 18 and 20 degrees C, but in the UK the norm is more typically something like 15 C (and Clive has pointed out that he normally keeps his home quite cool even for the UK and wears a lot sweaters). If you keep your home very cool in the winter, a desiccant dehumidifier may be your only effective option to keep the humidity down. This is quite important when the cool base temperature may give you very little room between dry air and condensation on the walls.
@alexbrown1050
@alexbrown1050 3 года назад
I keep my house at 21c and I'm in the UK. Frugal folks in any country will keep the heating off.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@evensgrey I've 2 interests - in the house for intermittent condensation from bathing and dishwashing but also in an unheated garage where things are rusting ! The latter was not built to keep heat in and has an air brick at each end. I'm not sure what typical home temperatures are here in the UK but I feel confident they average quite a bit over 15°C. Our rooms are independently controlled - so rooms we sit in and do nothing are around 20-21 while general areas (passing through) are 18-19 and unused rooms, generally unheated unless they get quite cold.
@millomweb
@millomweb 3 года назад
@@alexbrown1050 Multiple temperatures in ours. Residential rooms, 20-21, 'passageways' 18-19 & unused rooms: low teens.
@BarnSt0rmer
@BarnSt0rmer Год назад
I've got this exact model and a few days ago I was contemplating taking it apart to see how it worked. Ok, I had a rough idea of how it worked, I just wanted to see the components inside it because that's just what I'm like. Today I've found your video and it's saved me taking my dehumidifier to pieces, although it could probably do with a good clean inside so I might do it anyway. Thanks.
@jeremycassidy3796
@jeremycassidy3796 6 месяцев назад
Many thanks for the excellent breakdown and description of this dehumidifier. I've had one for the last 10 years and it is absolutely excellent! I got the red light error on mine for the last few days, powering up and fan running for 30 seconds then the light came on. I forgot that I needed to clean the filter which I found was full of dust and lint. But that didn't fix it. So I took it apart following your instructions, removing the bottom collector that takes water from the bottom openings of the compressor, that you mentioned get manky :-) I that wasn't particularly blocked or that dirty and the opening were not blocked either, when looking and poking the screwdriver carefully inside. I powered up with it open, being careful, but that didn't make any difference. However, I did notice the circular filter collector -thing- was not turning. I tried to turn it with the power off and it felt stuck. I unscrewed the motor and then re-powered, and found the motor was functioning. I think it has a gear system to help it turn so slowly, which is why it would be difficult to turn it without power. The circular filter collector -thing- was able to move freely without the motor in place. I put back the motor and the whole thing magically started working again. I hope this helps someone else.
@campermobile3217
@campermobile3217 7 месяцев назад
Incredibly useful. My dehumidifier was leaking and filthy inside! Thank you, Clive. Peace be unto you.
@festivitycat
@festivitycat 3 года назад
I just bought an Ecoair DD1 Simple last week, ahead of drying clothes indoors over winter. It's good to see what to expect, though hopefully not for a while.
@johnstainton9815
@johnstainton9815 3 года назад
A strange coincidence, just sat down after switching on that very model of dehumidifier and Big Clive is taking one to pieces. Very useful. The Isle of Man is one of my favourite places, we had our honeymoon there too long ago. John.
@SusiBiker
@SusiBiker 3 года назад
I've always wondered how these work. Fascinating. I have a 2006 Prius that developed the built-in roof/rear quarter panel leak over the summer (fixed now). I found that desiccant pots were not enough to dry everything out and have been looking for a quiet dehumidifier to put in the car for a week or so. Solved my issue. Thanks Clive.
@declanmccormack3263
@declanmccormack3263 8 месяцев назад
Thank you fixed in 15 mins after cleaning the tank and insides . Chucked one away form a problem that could of been fixed and they are expensive units.
@GreenJimll
@GreenJimll 3 года назад
A great video for folks running Repair Cafe/Restart Party events. It's always useful to know what sort of things to expect before the random devices turn up on the work table! Thanks Clive!
@TheManLab7
@TheManLab7 3 года назад
So many innuendos. "Getting the knobs shaft out" 9:51 I say this to everyone if there taking bits apart. Always take pictures of EVERYTHING as that's what I always do.
@nigelqflarp
@nigelqflarp 3 года назад
And, “Let’s look for hidden screws.” Oh BigClive. 😂
@vid2ification
@vid2ification 3 года назад
Who is nuendos and why so many things get put in her?
@zoravar.k7904
@zoravar.k7904 3 года назад
I for one like getting free "spare" parts from my products, it's almost like they weren't needed in the first place. Almost...
@vid2ification
@vid2ification 3 года назад
@@zoravar.k7904 i use other people's spare parts;)
@missp2210
@missp2210 8 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for this. Our DD122 started leaking with no obvious reason. I have just taken it apart and given it a clean as per your step by step instructions and it is working. Time will tell if it develops a leak....
@kathycottrill4650
@kathycottrill4650 Год назад
Mine has just stopped working. Came here looking and found your amazing video. Will be taking mine apart and seeing if cleaning it up fixes it or if I can see anything that stands out as broken. I have had it since 2019 and never even thought to clean inside!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
Sadly these units are still evolving, so can be a bit unreliable. But they work well enough and long enough to consider replacing them completely every few years.
@tombrown5954
@tombrown5954 2 года назад
Thanks so much for this! I never would have found those screws behind the handle without your work here!
@epiendless1128
@epiendless1128 9 месяцев назад
About to investigate just this model, so the tour is appreciated.
@dorsetengineering
@dorsetengineering 3 года назад
I've owned two dd122 units for close to ten years, they're brilliant
@darlatidwell6255
@darlatidwell6255 3 года назад
I'm glad to know how to, sort of, take one apart now, but just as important and good, is to see all the gunk that needs cleaned off. It can get pretty dirty, so the more you clean it the better one will get at getting it all apart and back together like a pro,...like Clive. TY Clive.
@AttilaTheDev
@AttilaTheDev 3 года назад
I have the newer version of this. It’s fantastic! Had it for two years now. No issues whatsoever.
@cigarboxguitar9519
@cigarboxguitar9519 3 года назад
With the tone that Clive uses in this video It's like an an adult Blue Peter episode - Thanks Clive, now here's John who will show us how to rid the world of all known diseases. :-)
@AlexKiritz
@AlexKiritz 3 года назад
I had no idea these existed. I just bought a compressor based one, but this would be way more ideal for my application. Thanks!
@richardrichard5409
@richardrichard5409 7 месяцев назад
This is absolutely fantastic😎😎😎. I have two DD1s and just died....no power. Was the large SF96 99c thermal fuse behind the condenser. Can't thank you enough, hardest part was separating the case❤
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, they're quite complex to get into until you discover the hidden screws.
@anononomous
@anononomous 3 года назад
I have 3 of this exact unit, which makes this video very handy 👍 My top tip would be not putting it right next to a subwoofer containing a big magnet. Accidentally overriding the magnetic float switch can have very bad consequences... Wouldn't be without them though especially in the winter. Nice efficient background heat and keeps dampness and condensation in check.
@DreStyle
@DreStyle 3 года назад
I bought this just a while ago and found out how it works by the schematic and some Google..... And like Clive hears my cry once again for a video... Here it is! ❤️
@boberson83
@boberson83 3 года назад
Perfect. I have a dehydrator that I hadn't used in a while that'd stopped working. I'll now go open it up
@Rainbow__cookie
@Rainbow__cookie 3 года назад
I don't know what this is what it does but I enjoy the teardown
@wilburt6131
@wilburt6131 3 года назад
Wiring a mini germicidal uvc lamp up in the condenser would stop the goo
@Dingbat217
@Dingbat217 3 года назад
That's a neat idea! I wonder how long the plastics in that area will stand up to the UV radiation though?
@Yrouel86
@Yrouel86 3 года назад
Maybe also an ozone generator piped in the air flow of the condenser?
@DjResR
@DjResR 3 года назад
@@Yrouel86 Some UV lamps generate ozone by itself._
@chrisbryant2982
@chrisbryant2982 Месяц назад
Brilliant, thank you, the repair was easy, it was the thermal fuse which cost me 69p (actually £6.90, I had to buy 10)
@phils4634
@phils4634 3 года назад
We've got a similar model, and as you say the "guts" do seem to be near-identical between all manufacturers. The plastic mouldings are very amenable to a trip through the dishwasher on a cooler ("eco") setting, and regular washing keeps them working much better (as well as being far more pleasant to repair when (albeit rarely) needed. The fan motors are all sleeve bearing, and benefit from a six-monthly oiling with light machine oil. Alternatively there's enough space to install ball bearing motors (especially on the larger radial fan motor) which reduces noise level a bit.
3 года назад
Thanks Clive I did not know they existed so today learnt something. I had to look up how they worked and learnt about Adsorb, another thing I did not know. Very interesting.
@cmyanmar13
@cmyanmar13 3 года назад
I have almost exactly the same dehumidifier ("EcoAir DD1 Simple"), in use for 3 years now. It recently began to leak water all over the floor mysteriously. I opened it up (I didn't need to go as far as you showed) and found the fussy little drip tray (11:17) that transfers water into the bucket was absolutely **CRAMMED** full of pink desiccant gunge mixed with clothing fiber dust. Basically the same problem as you show. Water couldn't pass thru the gunge fast enough, so was instead leaking out of anywhere else it could. After washing out all the gunge in the tray it's now as good as new. Apart from that hiccup, it's been a good dehumidifier.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
It's put form before function. Making it all a bit too small.
@GlennHamblin
@GlennHamblin 3 года назад
Great video. The industrial drum dehumidifiers are capable of achieving very low humidity. Dew points on the order of -65°C!
@LiyangHU
@LiyangHU 3 года назад
Hey Clive, you've already got the perfect screw holder. Just lightly screw the screws back into the chassis with your fingers after you've taken each part off.
@bren106
@bren106 3 года назад
It's 1am and I find myself watching Clive pull his knob off with a pair of pliers and ease his shaft out.
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 3 года назад
Giggety... :P
@KyleSSamuelson
@KyleSSamuelson 22 дня назад
Extremely good quality video
@stulop
@stulop 3 года назад
I did own one of these, year 4 took it apart to find leaks. Glued sealed put back together. Year 5 more leaking, on taking apart more leaks thank I could handle. How they work is really very clever.
@railgap
@railgap 3 года назад
I've never seen one of these! I've only seen the ones that use refrigeration. And that was when I lived in Illinois, where it is roughly as damp as the UK or Scotland but 2X as hot in the summer and cold in the winter because middle of continent, no ocean mitigation effects. Now I live in... er... west of the middle of the continent, in a semi-arid climate, and we use >> humidifiers
@jamesbrown4092
@jamesbrown4092 3 года назад
Couldn't help but think of Agnes Brown: "Knob came off... just like me husband."
@markiangooley
@markiangooley 3 года назад
I’d forgotten about that type of desiccant, and for a few moments envisioned having to load in fresh dry calcium chloride again and again...
@BRMBug
@BRMBug 3 года назад
Yup, mine is exactly like that, sold under the “EcoSeb” name. The problem mine had was the motor for the drum ceased up, overheated, and popped the front thermal fuse on the heater shroud. It’s been about a year since replacing it, and so far I’ve had no issues.
@classicaudioadventures
@classicaudioadventures 3 года назад
Can you tell me what motor you replaced it with? I have the exact same issue and although synchronous motors are a-plenty, I can't find one with the correct shaft type. Thanks
@BRMBug
@BRMBug 3 года назад
@@classicaudioadventures It’s 110v, but here’s the eBay item no. 153139997104 I did have to use my dremel to grind a groove in it for the circlip. Everything else was a perfect fit.
@classicaudioadventures
@classicaudioadventures 3 года назад
@@BRMBug Thank you!
@fluffyblue4006
@fluffyblue4006 3 года назад
Thank you for taking this dehumidifier apart. Never seen these kind of dehumidifiers. Very educational. Nice black background and black sleeves touch. Is that your new style? At the end of the video, your hands merged a bit into the black background. Nice effects!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
It's what I jokingly refer to as Studio 2. For larger things. This was partly a test video.
@templebrown7179
@templebrown7179 3 года назад
@@bigclivedotcom I like it!
@MetalheadAndNerd
@MetalheadAndNerd 3 года назад
It's nice but the slightly burned wood workbench is an important part of Clive's non-corporate identity. A simple screenshot out of a video and everyone immediately knows that this is Big Clive.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner 3 года назад
@@bigclivedotcom Clive, interesting video on how panko is made seems right in your wheelhouse. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n-hKc2QhJzc.html
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
@@chaos.corner I'm toying with trying it with sponge cake.
@heyarno
@heyarno 3 года назад
fascinating. I didn't know about that type of dehumidifier yet.
@retireeelectronics2649
@retireeelectronics2649 3 года назад
Very nice video, a bit amazed there was not a antitamper label over one of the screws. Just checked what we have and it is the compressor type. Other than the initial cost of the unit it is free dehumidification since it is only used in the cold season at home and lets face it these, dehumidify, generate heat and yes noise that actually generate heat. It is a heater with two purposes (-:
@paulmackilligin1754
@paulmackilligin1754 Год назад
Actually there is a bit of 'special' sticky tape holding the two sides of the casing together, right at the very bottom on the inside of the chamber where the collection tank slides in. That tape seems to have no function other than to act as an anti-tamper measure. It is easy to cut through to open the machine, but not so easy to find a new bit of similar tape to hide the fact you took it apart.
@esunayg
@esunayg 3 года назад
You always open the things I wanted to see :D love your work Clive!
@mileshember3501
@mileshember3501 Год назад
That's an excellent teardown, many thanks. Very good to have the explanations as well as the physical demonstration. I think these are very well designed internally, a lot of thought seems to have gone into the layout and cable management etc. Stainless screws in damp places also scores points. Do you have any comment about the lifetime of the dessicant wheel? I have just repaired one of these where the zeolite wheel was not rotating, the slow drive motor gearbox had stripped the teeth on one tiny pinion - but the replacement is a standard "microwave oven" type slow synchronous motor available for a few pounds. Hoping that the zeolite absorber will continue to function as intended as the rest of the machine is in very good order. Repairs for the win :-)
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Год назад
They seem to have a very long lifespan.
@st200ol
@st200ol Год назад
See my comment. I opened mine up because it was leaking a bit. Mine dates back to 2006 and has many hundreds of hours use and is still extracting water from the air very well.
@phil955i
@phil955i 3 года назад
I've had that exact same model for 4 years now, it gets used continuously during the Winter months & as you say emits a stream of warm air. I've got the dial set to about 1 o'clock which seems to control to an average 50% RH according to my house hygrometer. The warm air means we can actually close the living room door & it keeps the room warm enough most of the time in the evenings when we're sat in there, meaning the central heating is rarely needed as the CH stat is situated there also. Wasn't aware of the gunk problem with the condensate outlet though, a cleaning session is on the cards me thinks.
@matthewbeddow3278
@matthewbeddow3278 3 года назад
Thanks, Clive. It's always best to pull your knob off before disassembling further. :-)
@muzikman2008
@muzikman2008 3 года назад
Every day is a skool day on Big Clive's channel :-)
@ghlscitel6714
@ghlscitel6714 3 года назад
Thank you for all the enlightenments.
@tylerlloydboone
@tylerlloydboone 3 года назад
8:48 Looks like the red funk build up of a dirty commercial AHU. Bleck. Maybe a pan tab will keep that fungus growth down. I hate pan tabs, but for a unit that is clearly not built for easy service, maybe a tab or two will do ya. Keep up the great work Clive. I have been really hoping to see another long rambly build video. Something you can sit back, watch, and sip Jägermeister to.
@smoke5100
@smoke5100 3 года назад
Thank you! I have an eco air and wanted to clean it out, this is helpful
@charleslambert3368
@charleslambert3368 3 года назад
I watched this last night then dreamt about putting black tea (or maybe gravy) in a dehumidifier. My unconcious brain is obviously kind of hazy regarding the difference between a humidifier and a dehumidifier. I was vaguely aware that this was a bad idea but did it anyway.
@alec4672
@alec4672 3 года назад
"grab a pair of pliers and pull your knob off" I hope all Americans understand how funny this is 😂😂
@benfk2
@benfk2 3 года назад
Interesting. I wasn't really looking for this but it's given some clues as to why my EcoAir DD322 sometimes likes to turn itself off. It's probably had 4 or 5 years of occasional use and I've never done more than empty the tank and clean the filter every so often. Will try and clean the outlet at the bottom and if that doesn't help, pop it open and give it a good clean.
@classicaudioadventures
@classicaudioadventures 3 года назад
Thanks for the video. My Ecoseb-branded unit just popped one of the main thermal cutoffs after the drum motor stopped working. Unfortunately I'm having a hard time sourcing a replacement motor with the correct shaft profile.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
It's a very odd profile. I've got an old unit with the same issue.
@jamesharmer9293
@jamesharmer9293 3 года назад
The innuendo is strong with this one! Screws, knobs, shafts and even knobs on shafts. RU-vid's probably getting it's knickers in a twist...
@FIXDIY
@FIXDIY 3 года назад
Nice explanation clive
@saalkz.a.9715
@saalkz.a.9715 3 года назад
I have the weirdest feeling I just watched a "How It's Made" in reverse...
@josephking6515
@josephking6515 3 года назад
Two screws in the bottom sounds more like a command, especially if followed by a _Please_ .😱
@John_Ridley
@John_Ridley 3 года назад
Just don't listen to @5:38, and "pull your knob off"
@toxiccan175
@toxiccan175 3 года назад
Instructions unclear, bound for the ER
@lostjohnny9000
@lostjohnny9000 3 года назад
I used to be a fan of Clives. Now I'm an air conditioner.
@avejst
@avejst 3 года назад
Intersting as always Thanks for sharing :-)
@nekoimouto4639
@nekoimouto4639 3 года назад
Interesting. Living in a boggy area and having relatively humid air in my apartment a lot, i may consider getting one of those. I dont expect miracles, but its a risk worth taking.
@jonathanhendry9759
@jonathanhendry9759 3 года назад
I used to work doing field service on a shipping container-sized version, that was installed on supermarket rooftops.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
Drum rotating between two ducts? Not super efficient as the moist heated air gets expelled outside.
@jonathanhendry9759
@jonathanhendry9759 3 года назад
@@bigclivedotcom Double wheel. One dessicant wheel, and one heat exchanger wheel. On one side the air came in from the store, through the dessicant wheel, then through the heat exchanger to cool down, and back into the store. On the other side, air came in through a swamp cooler, through the heat exchanger wheel, then through a hot water radiator to heat the air up more, and through the dessicant wheel to dry it out. Then out the side of the machine. (It does occur to me that maybe using air that had gone through a swamp cooler to dry a dessicant wheel wasn't optimal. But in Connecticut/Massachusetts in summer the ambient air probably wouldn't be much less humid.) The wheels were about 6 feet across. The dessicant wheel rotated slowly, and the heat exchanger rotated several times faster. This was 1991, the company is gone, and the machines I worked on don't seem to be on the store rooftops anymore. Doing the math, 2+2 = didn't work out. The theory was that it would help reduce humidity in the cold aisles, reducing the need for air conditioning to prevent frost buildup in freezers. Which would save the store money, improving the slim profit margins.
@JWH3
@JWH3 3 года назад
That looks like a fairly efficient mold culturing machine.
@avemt1
@avemt1 3 года назад
I like the new dark tabletop. It is much better to see.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
It's a different area with a new matte rubber bench top. I intend to use it for larger items.
@bearicade5582
@bearicade5582 3 года назад
Great vid, Bigclivedotcom !
@MrFmiller
@MrFmiller 3 года назад
Occasionally I would repair such complicated contraptions and wonder where the leftover screw(s) should have been replaced. Other times I couldn’t find a screw that was missing. Sometimes it made no difference and I wouldn’t care. Sometimes the result would be obvious and I would need to disassemble and reassemble. Sometimes it was successful and sometimes it wasn’t. Sometimes I would learn something and sometimes I would save a little money. Either way I enjoyed doing it.
@dashcamandy2242
@dashcamandy2242 3 года назад
I've been considering a desiccant dehumidifier for my garage for some time now, but still haven't actually done it. I'm shocked to find, right now on Amazon, a model that handles 4,500 sq ft at a price comparable to a refrigerant dehumidifier for a much smaller room. I'm getting perilously close to buying one now...
@Leroys_Stuff
@Leroys_Stuff 3 года назад
I quite like studio 2 great video as always Bigclive
@theirisheditor
@theirisheditor 2 года назад
My uncle had the electronic Ecoair model DD122FW MK5 fail and asked if I could dispose of it. The desiccant drum motor failed, so I ordered the nearest equivalent I could find with a similar shaft (model TYJ50-8A7). I never thought about the wire terminals and sure enough there was a screw pillar in the way. The original motor had no terminals with the wires coming out the back. As a workaround, I turned it a few degrees so a screw went in the second hole on one side of the motor and a screw wedged the outside of the screw terminal on the other end, snug in place. The cog fit the shaft and didn't need the circlip (no slot for it). With the motor in place, the cog can't slide off anyway. Like the one featured, this dehumidifier was heavily soiled in smoke dust (he has an open fireplace) and the desiccant wheel needed a good vacuuming. I cleaned out the condensing module, drip tray, etc. The dehumidifier now functions, however, from a few 1 hour tests, its performance is not great. On continuous low, it draws about 120ml per hour drawing 310W and on high it draws about 190ml per hour drawing 550W, both in a large room area, 60-65% RH 21°C during the tests. For comparison, another 7 litre desiccant dehumidifier I had years ago typically removed 290ml per hour on high. The original motor stated 4-5RPM and the new one 4RPM, so it may be rotating too slow. On the positive side, it was otherwise going to be scrapped. Now we can use as a heater with dehumidification as a by-product.😁
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 2 года назад
As a rough guide based on mine, it should use about 4.5 units of electricity to take 2L of water out of the air.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 2 года назад
I think that works out about right for your unit.
@mileshember3501
@mileshember3501 Год назад
My motor repair had _exactly_ the same issue! I did a bit of "shaving" of plastic parts and managed to fit it in. Motors with just cables available but only from China with weeks of shipping time, UK stockists of equivalents had only the spade connected ones like yours. Seems that there is a good number of people taking care to repair :-)
@UserUser-ww2nj
@UserUser-ww2nj Год назад
" Get a pair of pliers and pull your knob off " 😲 Pass 😂😂
@Peter-de1vf
@Peter-de1vf 3 года назад
I have one of these which I have used for many years in a storage building. By standing on a bench I use the continous drain hose into a 25 litre container which fills surprisingly quickly depending on the weather. Works much better than my previous compressor unit which one winter turned itself into a solid block of ice and died.
@Peter-de1vf
@Peter-de1vf 3 года назад
Also I dont think the half or full setting switch does anything beyond adjusting the speed of the fan which circulates the air to the room.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
The half setting runs the heaters at about 300W. The full settings adds another 300W heater for 600W and increases the fan speed.
@DreStyle
@DreStyle 3 года назад
They are somewhat more quite than a compressor one however my 2nd unit who is in my basement has a roller compressor its fan is more louder than the compressor also the power consumption is 50 Watts less than the absorption version
@jkobain
@jkobain 3 года назад
Yaaaay! More bigclivedisassembly!
@phonotical
@phonotical 3 года назад
Mine uses a compressor, empty it twice a day, it said it has a 70 liter capacity or something like that, I get maybe 4L a day, I guess it isn't very wet in here 300w, also the last thing I got a shock from, took it apart still plugged in, and with a wet hand (cleaning it at the time) touched a small metal housing, nothing major, but lesson learned!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
Wer hands are a no-no for electrical work. What would normally be a slight tingle can become a much more dangerous current. All dehumidifier water extraction ratings seem to be bogus.
@RambozoClown
@RambozoClown 3 года назад
@@bigclivedotcom Perhaps those ratings are when running submerged?
@collinhunter9792
@collinhunter9792 3 года назад
it means that if you had a tube from the machine to empty it constantly, it could take out 70 litres of water in 24 hrs
@maciej9280
@maciej9280 3 года назад
@@collinhunter9792 under ideal conditions ie rain forrest type humidity and temperatures ;)
@thomasherzog86
@thomasherzog86 3 года назад
those values usually are normed to work in 80% humidity and 30c temperature, shrinking drastically with lower numbers.
@PIXscotland
@PIXscotland 3 года назад
That's the one I'm sitting looking at here right now. Works well.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
If it does give problems, note the first paragraph in the video description. You may be able to remove and clean the water collection tray and condenser ports without opening the unit.
@dcallan812
@dcallan812 3 года назад
cheers I have one just like this so I can do a spot of maintenance. 👍👍👍👍
@Art-fn7ns
@Art-fn7ns 3 года назад
Always dreamt to learn how a desiccant dehumidifier works! 😂
@deatrixmuntz
@deatrixmuntz 3 года назад
As an AC engineer I can confirm the air you breath is disgusting and the water we condense out of it grows some lovely slimes and lumpy gunks
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
Lots of pretty slime colours too. That vary according to your location in the world.
@bblacker8434
@bblacker8434 Год назад
Many Thanks............
@jamesfurz7406
@jamesfurz7406 3 года назад
That's giving me the boke. I've got the version of this with membrane switches, might have to give it a clean....
@davida369
@davida369 3 года назад
IThx, have being thinking of getting one of these.
@Sdnaurs
@Sdnaurs 3 года назад
I'm early on a BC video. Luscious.
@Ernzt8
@Ernzt8 3 года назад
That is a lot of work for a weekly cleanup ;)
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 года назад
In this case probably 250 weeks.
@SigEpBlue
@SigEpBlue 3 года назад
It's a box full-a fans and switches! ;) Also mung, lots of mung everywhere. I wonder if placing a copper sulfate tablet into that bottom tray would prevent that manky mold from growing.
@CollectiveSoftware
@CollectiveSoftware 3 года назад
This makes me actually glad for the compressor kind that leaks out all its coolant in the first 2 years. All this time I thought a desiccant wheel one would be better, but not if it gets that filthy and jammed up inside regularly. At least the compressor system is easier to keep clean until it dies forever.
@poellot
@poellot 3 года назад
I inherited my grandfathers dehumidifier, it is probably 30 years old. It weights about 70 pounds. It got used all summer long every year. Still works. Although the 5 year old model we used has already quit working. They dont build em like they use to.
@zh84
@zh84 3 года назад
If it needs regular maintenance (such as cleaning out) they really ought to make it easier to disassemble.
@evensgrey
@evensgrey 3 года назад
I've had a compressor dehumidifier for over a decade, and no maintenance at all needed. Just dump out the water periodically. (And don't use it on the continuous setting, mine leaks on continuous run.)
@AsymptoteInverse
@AsymptoteInverse 3 года назад
I've seen diagrams of industrial desiccant-drum dehumidifiers (mostly for moist exhaust air, I think). Instead of driving the water off the desiccant and recondensing it, they draw in outside air, heat it, blow it over the drum to drive the water out, and then just exhaust the hot humid air back to the outside. It'd obviously be a lot less portable than a unit like this (since it'd need ducts to and from the outside), but I wonder how that would affect performance.
@kwok-leunglee9289
@kwok-leunglee9289 3 года назад
I have one similar that would hot turn off when humidity has been reach and keeps on running until you turn it off manually. Thanks
@mancave7879
@mancave7879 3 года назад
An overhead lamp is suggested for proper lighting.
@Slot1Gamer
@Slot1Gamer 3 года назад
I use mine to keep my place at a nice warm temp in winter
@archaeomanda
@archaeomanda 3 года назад
I could have used this a few years ago. I had almost the same model. Managed to take it mostly apart and cleaned it, but somehow the desiccant wheel was damaged. There were little bits of it all over the inside. Alas I don't have the skills to diagnose what happened and I couldn't get any response from ecoair so it eventually got recycled. Too bad, because it was quite good at drying laundry.
@russcalder
@russcalder 3 года назад
Another video of Clive talking about knobs and shafts. Lol.
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 3 года назад
mmm, bacterial goop clogging holes, also an issue inside fridges when their drain port gets plugged up too needing a bit of ram-rodding to clear out and a squirt of bleach to disinfect... :S
@petertr2000
@petertr2000 3 года назад
That drain port - where does fluid drain to, exactly?
@SuomiFinlandPerkelee
@SuomiFinlandPerkelee 3 года назад
@@petertr2000 a small reservoir above the compressor that's located behind the fridge. The compressors excess heat helps evaporate the water. So if you're cleaning up the drain port it's a good idea to remove the dirt from the reservoir afterwards.
@T1G3R009
@T1G3R009 3 года назад
🤢
@sootikins
@sootikins 3 года назад
Just one more reason those "free drinking water from thin air" devices on Kickstarter will never work (not to mention laws of physics). Nice glass of Legionnaires Disease and other random bugs anyone??
@fluffyblue4006
@fluffyblue4006 3 года назад
@@sootikins Agree. Such device is more suitable for cleaning the air. It draws in a lot of air and runs it over a cold and wet surface. Most dust and airborne germs will be caught in the machine. Suppose, one would really want to extract drinking water and would like to have such a device at home... One cubic meter of water at 20 deg C holds at max 17.3 grams of water. 60% of that is 10.38. 40% of that is 6.92. So if you take moist from the typical indoor air, you get 3.46 grams from one cubic meter. So that would be one glass full of water from a room of about 5 x 6 meters. But cooling a condensation surface takes energy, which will add to the total amount of energy of the room, heating it up. The heating will decrease the relative humidity even further. But this full glass of water is not even close to enough to fill up the needed filter cartridges. So, doors and windows will need to be opened. So, only usable in moderate weather, unless you like to spend a lot of energy on HVAC as well.
@GraditelMacedonia
@GraditelMacedonia 3 года назад
Nice job. Made second video for cleaning and reassembling.
@dave0smeg
@dave0smeg 3 года назад
Ah yes, Hunt the Hidden Screws. Always a fun game.
@peterg.8245
@peterg.8245 3 года назад
Low temp, low humidity explains why I haven’t seen one before. I have a 70pint compressor unit that I use in the summer to keep sticky humid Oklahoma summer outside. Need to get humidifier started up, temp dropped 25°F and it’s been raining all day and we’ve dropped to 45%RH from our usual 55%.
@elvinhaak
@elvinhaak 3 года назад
Wow, 55% is humid where you are? In here that is very, very dry compared to normal all year round. Very dry over here is 60%, normal dry is around 70% and some days we are just over 90% inside but that is only in 'moist houses'. Generally will be below 80%. Still needs quite some time to fill 3 litres with the dehumidifier I have because the temperatures are normally not over 20 degrees (Celcius) in summer, maybe 25 and getting warmer the last couple of years. By the way, province of Zeeland in the Netherlands. The sea is about 800 metres from here and 'all around'.
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