i don't know if it is just the video but the high pitch whine from the 230E would drive me crazy. Defiantly not as noticeable when the cab was closed. It looks like is moves about as good as the Diesel counterpart. I would love to see if Volvo would let you do a day (or more) of actual in the field work on one as a real test drive/promotional.
Needs to be hybrid, small eng to track place to place and also charge battery. Needs to last 8 hrs or job will require 2 machines and operators to get the same amount of work done.
It seems like Volvo missed a trick by not offering a long "demonstration lease" on a new machine until an approved-used unit was available. I've been incredibly impressed with the Hyundai, especially for a well used second hand machine.
Looks like you guys had a wonderful time. There was a sharp whine on the 230 that was unpleasant and boy that bucket was small. But you were able to cope with that really well and we were able to hear you talking, while it was running. There are definite places where an electric excavator would be preferable. Nice job, Chris.
Someone said, in another thread, that the whine comes from the hydraulic systems. It's probably just the same as on a diesel rig but more noticeable now that the engine noise is gone.
Ah c'mon guys, about the whole Volvo "thing" - let it go, it has been explained several times now. Chris needed a bigger excavator asap, and he couldn't wait for Volvo to get one in his price range, and the size he wanted, so he had to pull the trigger on the Hyundai, in order to not lose jobs he already had contracts on. The essential here is time, or the lack thereof. It doesn't look good on your resume if clients starts to cancel contracts because you can't fulfill them. Here in Denmark the clients can actually sue you if you fail to fulfilling a contract, and I'm pretty sure it's the same especially in the US, where everybody is suing everybody else, even for minute problems. Chris could, potentially, have seen himself in big legal and financial trouble.
You're missing the point, grandpop. With Chris' marketing exposure, the Volvo executives should have found an upgraded machine ASAP for him. He's been giving them free advertising for several years, now. You can't possibly expect us to believe there wasn't a new unit sitting on a dealer's lot, somewhere at that moment.
@@gatekeeper08210 No dude, I'm not missing any point, you are. Chris had put his purchase on the backburner for quite awhile, waiting for Volvo to come up with a solution, but as said - countless times now - Volvo didn't HAVE, and couldn't GET a machine that was in the specs of Chris' demands in time, and Chris couldn't wait any longer because he had jobs that HAD to be addressed or he would potentially lose the contracts. I really do not understand why some of you guys in here are trying to stir up a sh**storm against Volvo, because Chris is obviously still on very good terms with them - heck he'd just attended the 9/26 Utility Expo in Louisville, KY, at the Volvo booth for a meet 'n greet, do you think he would've done that if he had a problem with Volvo?! Of course not, he would've flipped to the Hyundai booth, but he didn't - what does that tell you? Stop trying to make a problem where there isn't any.
@@jrand2631 - Who made you the channel moderator. My comments were intended as advise to Chris. With 3 million + viewers per month, Chris has been giving Volvo free marketing exposure, since he started making videos. That has to equate to hundreds-of-thousands of dollars in free advertising for Volvo. That should be worth some consideration from Volvo - and they ignored it. "You can't possibly expect us to believe there wasn't a new unit sitting on a dealer's lot, somewhere at that moment."
The laid back fun and laughter with friends - the enamored fans from near and far - good times! I have to say .. from the outside of the EC230 .. that squeal was annoying.
That was a fun show and nice to get to talk to you again Chris. Always neat to get to ask stuff about things that come to mine watching these videos and get more clarified answers than you can on a video comment most of the time. Thanks again for taking the time to chat at the show.
Couple of big kids playing with the toy excavator and toy truck there at the end lol. Good times, good times. That electric excavator definitely has its place in the market. It's not for every job or situation, but it is pretty cool.
18:18 - That's the new equipment that will be on the Bealy Good 90 acre project. hehe Wished I could've jumped on a plane and popped over to say hi. It looked great fun seeing all of the different machines/tools etc.
We would need to see charging speed and battery options. For sure, there's a real function for the battery pack as a counter weight. My guess is you could pack a LOT of batteries in a machine like that but it would cost more. When battery prices come down electric rigs becomes inevitable.
I worked for a company as a mechanic when the 555E came out, they went thru operators like crazy and we swapped one machine back and forth between a 2 and 4 stick i know it was 10x a year because the “operator” couldnt run one or the other. I could run both just as good as the other but it took a few minutes to get in the rhythm.
I suspect remote locations in rough terrain with regular relocation like Chris works is a less than optimal solution. I could see a permanent jobsite like a quarry might be a better match for the technology.
@tjbjornson154 Yeah, true. I’d be concerned about leaving a big solar charger unguarded on a remote job site too. Although, we routinely leave machines worth six figures sitting all alone out there.
Going off previous experiences with the Cat electric counterpart. It'll run for about 2-3 hours then need a charge for 45min to an hour. At this point the battery technology is just not far enough for this to be viable for the jobs he does
I'm pretty sure you've already thought of this....but....how would you recharge out on your job sites? Would you have to have a generator running all night so it would be ready for the next day? Not too many of your job sites has a power outlet handy.
A big portable diesel electric plant charging the batteries. Yeah, that makes sense! And solar panels are out of the question as the unit is running during most of the sun time. So we’re reduced to a trailer mounted battery bank that recharges the machine overnight. Then the trailer has to be taken to a charging station the next day. Very convenient!
I can see a lot of options. For example, I saw a video of a company that has these battery containers with DC fast charging for hire. Whetever is the cheapest in the end, I guess. If you can slash fuel and maintenance costs...
Man, I was hoping you got to spend a few minutes with Andrew Camarata. I can't answer for how other people interact, only for myself; but I have been supporting both of you for along time now and..... Anyhow, looks like y'all had fun. glad to see so many of the people I watch together in one place.
Thanks Chris enjoyed the look at the show have seen DP,s Clinton's, Matt's and you all give a good vision for us here in Australia hope to actually get there one day soon now that I've retired Cheers Kym Adelaide
I think people's hang ups about EVs are making them blind to what this machine is. Modern EV tech made this niche product possible. These are for indoor applications, underground and urban projects that are noise and emissions sensitive. At best it's a stepping stone to replace standard excavators.
The noise would drive me crazy. Seems digging clay would be a much better test. Impractical at a show, but I wonder how long the charge lasts under load or in cold weather.
not reasons its legit electric batteries either take ages or cant charge if they're too cold or too warm and if ur far from a 240 or higher voltage charger u cant really charge the machine either@thecouchtripper
It would drive me round the bend, I can only guess that they created it as a safety feature for those outside the machine. The low mmm sound in the background is the hydraulic pump and motor. Thr high pitched sound is too loud to be the "chopper" in the control system, which is why I believe it's an actual manufacturer made noise for safety?
That's a small, weirdly shaped bucket on that thing. Also notice they have piles of sand for the demo, which is much lighter than dirt. I wonder how the lifting capacity on that thing compares to the equivalent sized diesel machine, because I feel like how their demo is set up doesn't really give you a good sense of how much power it has. I will say though, I just did a job underground digging new footings under a hundred year old hotel, and we had to constantly be running fans and air monitors in the basement to counteract the emissions from the minis and skid steers we were running in the enclosed space. An electric machine would be pretty handy for that type of job.
It’s a Scandinavian style grading bucket designed for tilt rotators. That machine has a steel wrist coupler so I assume it normally has one on it. The shape and angles of the bucket maximizes the use of the tilt rotator when working around obstacles.
Hey, Big Muskie and The Gem of Egypt were both electric. Of course they both had on site power plants and big ass extension cords. But they were electric. My concern is emergency operations. Natural disasters when you need the machine 24 hours a day for a week or two. Or military applications.Those things would be useless.
They're quiet and have zero emissions, though. For applications when they're easily charged and working in enclosed spaces, they'll be great. Especially working around potentially flammable or explosive dust.
The electric machines will no doubt fill a niche where being quiet and free of local pollution are important, but keeping the cab warm in cold weather is a challenge.
I have noticed one of these machines on the Charlotte Douglass Airport project. It's usually sitting out by the road when I go buy on the way to the gun range.
I’ve got a Tesla and it is fantastic. I especially like the noises it makes when you open it up. I REALLY like it. I’ve got a 360 and I want to upgrade it ….and of course an electric version is an option. But cmon, what the hell is that noise? It sounds like an electronic speed controller on steroids. That can’t be right, surely. Dogs will be howling for miles around. I think I’ll keep my diesel machine for the moment. The hum of the engine is my therapy, my happy place.
I think Volvo should give you one of those for free for promotional how to videos. Hint,hint to the people at Volvo!😊 Take care Chris and God Bless!!!❤😊
Seems like they should build it like a train with diesel electric but still have a big battery bank. Then it can run constantly with diesel running as needed to top off battery bank ,only bad thing is cost will be high because of diesel and electric on one machine but a Toyota prius is made like that
Starting to see quite a few electric machinery in use in Norway now. They are primarily used on Urban sites specifically within cities. Some have gone as far as to demand the use of electric equippement within city limits. I guess they can be used on smaller rural jobs if you have a battery backup system with solar or something, but it's way too expensive and cumbersome to transport for most smaller companies to even concider it.
Deisel generator would be needed at large jobs to keep the thing charged. Who is gonna stick around after a long hard day working to make sure the unit is recharged for the next day.
You didn't listen to his comments, did you? As he said, this machine isn't meant for digging huge ponds or clearing house lots in rural areas, it's meant for stationary jobs, like in waste fueled power plants and even scrap yards fitted with a claw or a magnet, so places where they already have lots of electricity available, and where the machines doesn't move around a lot. They're perfect for that kind of jobs = no expensive diesel fuel, no emissions and no DEF fluid = saving lots of $$$.
I’m surprised you haven’t set up a collaboration with Matt from demo ranch. His abandoned ranch seems like a perfect place for you to get Volvo involved and double your subscriber count
@@RMosher11 Technology is getting there, and it had better, we cannot all live in a cave as global warming continues because of combusting fossil fuels fouls our atmosphere. (a separate , continuous RPM diesel generator could emit minimum pollution because the fuel used to increase rpm to compensate for load is what makes the conventional rig pollute, but the throttle response would be irrelevant because the batteries would supply the fluxuations without using fuel like as if it were coupled to the diesel conventionally.)
Yes it does. You should do some of it yourself. The mining alone for the production of batteries is far worse than any ICE engine. Then there is the disposal of the toxic waste of said batteries and not to mention the production of the electricity for this nonsense. I get it, you want to seem holier than though. Electrification is a scam. Period. Full stop. It is not the future. It is not "better for the enviroment" and it sure is hell isn't the answer. You want zero emissions? Start living like the Amish do and stop perpetuating this bullshit.
I'm not sold on electrification of this type of equipment, just yet. Its not the electric drivetrain that bothers me, its the power source. Battery tech hasn't surpassed the runtime of combustion engines. Having said that, electric motors can be build to be so much more efficient than an combustion counterpart and take up significantly less space and less weight. Its the lifespan of the batteries that concerns me. If something that is built to perform a specific job and nearly never move, then it could be built to be connected to the grid. Batteries wouldn't even be needed in this case. Example, shipping port container cranes. Nonetheless and having said alllllll that... we have to start somewhere. Finding the strengths and weaknesses has to start somewhere.
Cool that Hyundai was right next to Volvo, LOL. How do the machines (diesel vs electric) match up size wise or should I put it weight and ability? Like was that electric one compatible to your 220 performance and weight?
If you’re in a big construction site in the city where the excavator isn’t working 10 hours a day but maybe 4 or 5 this machine would make a lot of sense but it’s the kind of machine that I’d lease rather than buy new.
Chris, get that electric model and you can fit a genset in the new work truck to fuel it- oops, charge it back up. Did Volvo put all of my favorites on payroll for the meet & greet? Glad to see you and Matt can operate ASE digger controls.
In all your videos, DP videos and a few more you all load your trucks from the side while using an excavator. Here, we load from the side if it's a wheel loader but excavator always load from the rear. Is that something particular to your area or mine for that matter?
Seems like it would be a good idea but the run time I just can not see it I did hear that Cummins was coming out with a hydrogen motor to take the place of diesel motor not really sure about that electric excavator might be practical in some applications cool video
These things last for 3 hours of hard work then need a huge power station to recharge them. No way these can be used anywhere remote as they dont have the power to keep it running. They will become redundant in the next few years. The leccy ones on site dont even get used any more by most of the lads.
I, who only knows what I’ve seen on your and dirt perfect channels, thinks the bucket looks flatter and much smaller than you use.. How do you charge it? Most job sites I see you working on don’t have cords to recharge it so would have a limited use.
