I work construction. My coworker got in an argument on facebook and someone said "I'm gonna screenshot this conversation and send it to your employer!" So he showed that to our boss and we all laughed
1st amendment is not freedom from consequence from you insulting a big guy. It’s the government not restricting your speech, doesn’t mean you won’t punch someone out if they scream in your moms face with their free speech.
Its very simple: Your FEELINGS don't matter. The only time it does is when you are narcissistic enough to punish people in real lasting ways for doing so.
Not a particularly smart move to fire people who offend you even if you have that right. Makes it hard to keep staff if you're flaky and sensitive...they'd go to someone who wasn't that way inclined if they could.
Dressing as a bombing victim and expecting everyone to be okay with it is among the dumbest positions a person can take. Yeah yeah, I get it, no one wants to take away your fucking fwee spweech. But there IS also a thing called bad taste and it usually gets punished. Call me old-fashioned...
You can’t say “be offended and that’s where it stops” when Opie will fight over nothing, and Ant and Jim won’t talk shit to someone who looks like they’re about to beat them up. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence.
George fentanyl dying got more done by people that never watch sports than everything that happened before combined. Cleveland Indians- now guardians. Atlanta braves changed the hatchet to the feather. Red skins are now the commanders. Wish these guys still had a show to shine light on it
Companies have an image to maintain, so I can understand them firing an employee giving them bad publicity...BUT I encourage the outrage fanatics to dig a bit deeper into a company's business dealings to see just how righteous a lot of these companies aren't. Nike makes some damn good advertisements, but they use sweatshop labor.
We can't keep a company from firing anyone for any reason, because people would end up doing whatever they wanted and go "dur hur you can't fire me because of the law", so what's the solution? Allow a company to fire someone for ANY reason, no more anti discrimination laws and reasons for why someone can't be fired at all. Then we'll see the "fire this person" people shut their mouths.
Hitchen had also said and I am not quoting for my memory is crap; he once said that we should go out of our way to protect unpopular speach. He went on to defend peoples right to speak about their religion. He went on to defend holocaust deniers. He said that these people cannot be ignored because they bring such a specific perspective. All in all, we of course, should be able to point out what we think of people that espouse religion or denial of gas chambers.
What if you create speech that even you yourself don't even agree with or take seriously. A company should not fire you if you are legally not on the clock for anything. Its work vs home life. A business is about making money for yourself and employer. It's not about personal or almost even morals. Do you know how many farms, fields, forests were clear cutted and destroyed because I was a residential carpenter during my life. A whole lot. What if I object to that morally. What if I don't like it. And vice versa. What people do outside of work should be protected. Otherwise your job could tell you what to make for dinner when to go to bed what to do. Etc.
Only thing is that Jim was completely wrong about the Hitchens speech. Hitchens and his speech are a prime example of the kind of opportunistic bullies they talked about.
+ShaneKarma376 Other black people make fun of them if they appear too educated, so I assume that's just some baggage from her early years. "AHHHH NIGGA WHAT YOU DOIN?! READIN' AHAHA LOOK AT THIS NIGGA READIN' SON!" slapping his books out of his hands and shit. I feel bad for the reasonable black people out there that realize who it actually was holding them back growing up.
This is a good discussion. I think it should be illegal to fire people for things they do outside the workplace. I know a lot of the time the argument is that the company will lose business by employing someone, and maybe that's true, but perhaps changing the laws would change the culture. People should want a free marketplace of ideas. You don't improve the world by attacking people with "bad" ideas (probably reinforcing them in the process). You should attack the ideas and change their minds.
There are things that are protected by freedom of speech that I would find absolutely 100% reprehensible, and would fire my employees for instantly, such as burning the American flag or hate speech, so the idea of it being illegal for me to fire them for offending me is obviously ridiculous. My business and employees represent me, and I will not be represented by advocates of ideas I find offensive. A "free marketplace of ideas" doesn't mean you can say whatever you want, no matter how wrong or offensive, and everyone has to like it. That's some bizzaro world reverse fascism. It's not illegal to hate gays, but if you did so publicly, I'm not going to allow myself to be represented by that, because if I didn't fire someone who publicly hates gays, I'm signaling to society that I tolerate anti gay ideology, or that I agree with it.
If you say something racist at your place of work then your job should have the right to terminate your employment. If you say something racist in your own home or frankly any place outside of your place of work and not while you are currently working then they should have absolutely no ability to fire you for it. The exceptions are people in the public eye such as news anchors, athletes and politicians as they are always representing their employer.
And what exactly is "saying something racist"?...Jews claim you say something anti jew you are racist and they are not a race,if you're anti Islam you are racist yet Islam is not a race.Stop being a pathetic liberal and grow up...sticks and stones...
I don't think bosses are under fire here, the problem is when a group of people see the costume (out of context) and go out of their way to get someone fired because of it. Yes, a boss should be able to fire whoever they want but they shouldn't be bombarded with criticism and pressured into doing something just because an employee did something that offended some people. Also, I don't share your point of view that any complaints about something you might not care for is "whining and crying".
Secondly, no one is forcing these people to be fired. The government forces you to do something because they have guns and the law is enforced by people with guns. That's what force is. Calling up a CEO of a company and saying you're not going to support them if they don't fire someone is not force. The boss has every right to tell that person to fuck off or to look at the financials and say, "Too many people are calling in" and then make the decision based solely on that.
OK, Jim has 2 big problems. One is that he can't control what other people do based off his opinions. He says he doesn't want people getting financially penalized, but talking about how you don't like something on a radio show is exactly how you would want to go about hurting someone financially. Just saying you don't want them penalized not only doesn't stop that, but it also lacks any integrity if he actually believes what he says.
But that's a serious fucking problem, it shouldn't been seen as acceptable to punish a company for what an employee does in their off hours. Think about it, you don't get to be a full, expressive person well within the limits of the law if you work for someone else unless you are lucky enough to have a personality that lines up PERFECTLY with the companies outward image. It's not government issue, but it is a serious social issue.
They're not complaining about freedom of speech, they're complaining about people who don't understand freedom of speech and force people out of employment because they take offence.
Jimmy has been getting hypocritical. Freedom of association is a basic human right. Forcing people to give paychecks they do not want to is not too far from slavery outright. Just because Jimmy is using a politically correct and sympathetic example (gays, interracial couples), it doesn't revoke this principle. It's the same thing as free speech. Should somebody be allowed to read Mein Kempf aloud in public? Sure. Should they? Probably not. But we're not the ones who get to say what others do.
If you go to any of the politcal debate videos, more recently that one about guns, you come to realize that they really, really should not because talking about politics at all, because they have no idea what the shit they are ever talking about. Regardless, they are all funny, well except opie, and that's what I watch them for. Not their stupid fucking bullshit political rants that they come up with on the spot, with no thought put into them whatsoever.
Yep! Every single day... 'yawn' Lazy- with a dash of right wing-nuttery.
5 лет назад
Jimmys wrong about the red skins, he is clueless and listens to Carlin too much. Indians were at war with other tribes, Mexico and white people, Jim is wrong, he's offended?
Love these dudes but they argue the whole freedom of speech thing, but wasn't the majority of their careers made by just annihilating other jocks because the dj's may have said something defamatory towards them? lol still love hearing it though
Now Jimmy wants to talk about fake outrage? What about his fake outrage with sexual harassment last week? "She doesnt like to be looked at by you. YES, SHE GETS TO DECIDE!"
I wonder if Ant would defend a black guy who got fired for saying racist remarks against white people? Probably not.. *insert black people don't have jobs joke here ________ *
Yes they are if an employer doesn't like the way people are dressing at halloween then they can fire them if they want I'm sick of the guys complaining about the same thing everyday, plus isn't jimmy the same guy who will tear on someone because they don't wanna take a photo of him? If you whine and cry about that people can get mad over a halloween costume
