Orange 212 Battle - Closed Back vs Open Back (close and room mic'd) 

Thanks for the suggestion, I will put it to use in the future. More cab comparisons to come! Thanks for watching and subscribing

Helped a lot! Thanks, man!

Yes! Hero! That's exactly how the video should've been done!

Unfortunately you''re comparing speaker mics with room mics here, so it's not so useful

Thank you, CB for me

@@lkbasgiohbasg -Not true. Perhaps you failed to read how the comparison was done in the detailed area above (or failed to notice the printing on the lower left corner of the screen indicating what mic is being used). The starting point of each of the links are all mic'd speakers. Both, closed back and open back cabs, were compared the same way. Perhaps you meant this comment to the fellow who went to the trouble to record the video and made the comparisons. But you could do the same thing as Matt did, if you wanted, to compare any particular lick against closed and open back using the mic'd speaker audio or room mic audio, as all licks were recorded twice, first with the Mic'd speaker, then with room mic. From the details section - SO what I did was mic up the cabinet as normal with two mics, one on each speaker cone. e609 was using on one speaker and a sm57 on the other. A Rode M3 was used 35" away from the from of the cab, basically aligned with the Orange logo on the front. Throughout the video we will toggle between the mic'd speakers and the mic'd room and each of the cabs (closed and open). @Phantasmagora did an even more thorough comparison with each individual lick having two timestamps ("cab mic, room mic"), so all you need to do is click on either the first timestamps under each set to compare mic'd speaker, or the second timestamps under each set to compare mic'd room. How much easier (and accurate) can it get...?

Thanks for the input, I started making changes for future cab comparison videos

thanks for watching!

I think that is a great idea. I'm contemplating on doing that as well.

Great info

well the main difference between the two is real v30 vs china v30s. CB has the real OB has the china made ones.

@@SOADGOD That's complete nonsense. Celestion speakers are ALL built in China since about 15 years now. All new cabinets with Celestions have chinese ones. And on the other hand it doesn't matter where they are from. Those are the exact same speakers. Just more profit for Celestion.

Did you you try both version in real life? I've recently bought the 212 Open back and using it with a Rockeverb 50. The clean sound is incredible, but it's lacking the punch for rock sounds... Thinking of byng the closed one and selling mine.

Thanks for the kind words and advice. Glad it helped. Picking a cab is always tricky.

I appreciate that, thank you!

I have exact opposite feeling :) With my open back cabinet bass feels a lot more uncontrollable especialy in badly treated rooms with a lot of reflections.

It's a valid point, I didn't get into the back of the cab mic'ing with the room room. Maybe a future video.... thanks for watching!

The OB is made in China (cheaper labor). The CB is made in England.

I bought the open back because of the price difference and it sounds amazing. So pleased I bought it. I am getting another one to add to this.

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Is the cab new or used? V30s tend to sound very sharp until they are broken in, which takes some time. Where in the room do you have the cab positioned? Generally OB cabs need to be off the wall a tad and not in a corner... the sound should fill the room quite nicely; shouldn't sound like a blanket over the cab.

I bought it brand new. It is sitting on a four-legged wooden table about 1.5 feet off the ground.

Did you remove it from the chair and try it? Odd, I have never heard that cab sound like it had a blanket over it. I know in recording I have turned it on its side and placed a GOBO in front of it a couple of feet with a couple of different mics on the speaker and it sounded amazing.

Yeah, put it on the ground on my wooden floor....still sounded very bassy. Then I stacked it on top of a 4x12 and it sounded a lot better. Maybe it was just the vibrations. Thanks for the help

Great, glad it's working out for you

I find the OB makes a huge a noise in compact cab and maybe Orange got away with making it smaller because it does sound very good as is....the CB almost takes after a 4x12 with its size and volume inside the cab.

Bigger size gives CB more room for low resonance. OB doesn't require as much of room since sounds on the back will go out anyways : )

Hey - the closed back (CB) section ends around 2:22 and the open back (OB) starts from that point on. Within those couple minutes you have comparisons between each cab speaker mic'd and room mic'd. Hope that is more clear.