Orc Families are the DUMBEST Idea We've Seen Yet - Rings of Power IN-DEPTH - Season 2, Episode 3 

Can't wait for them to show us an orc family eating a human family while they correct the young orcs table manners

Length is not a problem, because you guys are legitimately reviewing a show that deserves to be called out for its awfulness. Thank you for having a sense of humor about it. Your laughter is infectious.

I am enjoying these longer reviews. There is so much to mock, correct, and laugh at.

Michael is 100% right with his reference to the Orcs at Cirith Ungol. I'll bet that is what these inept Showrunners would cite as reasoning for "humanising" the Orcs. However, even in that passage from the book (The Choices of Master Samwise, The Two Towers), it's clear that what the Orcs desire is to get some distance from the Nazgul is so that they can go and plunder on their own. They do not give any indication that they are morally repulsed by anything - they simply do not have the capacity for that level of moral introspection. It's simply a base desire to be free of orders so they can pillage on their own. What RoP is doing with this storyline is completely ludicrous but the whole thing is just absurd. Personally, I am beginning to think its all a spoof...Anyway, no more for me. I'll just confine myself to watching the RU-vid reviews. Much more entertaining and I'll not have to shell out for a new TV after putting my foot through it following yet another insane plot device that crash lands into another episode.

Gentlemen, don't change a thing.

The showrunners confirmed that the spider WAS baby Shelob btw🤣

The dead marshes weren’t dead yet! The War of the Last Alliance hasn’t occurred yet! Asinine!!

I don't mind a longer podcast, I like to hear all your thoughts so I don't think you need to shorten your analysis. Always a pleasure, gentlemen 😊

You guys are thorough, do not shorten anything! This show takes a lot of time to digest.

Yes long reviews are great! I need someone who knows the depths of the lore better than me to help me process all the internal dismay that I experience when watching RoP. This is good therapy!

Any writer involved with this show doesn't deserve to be called a writer.

.what you don’t understand is, the reason Celebrimbor doesn’t forge anything is because he’s the “Assistant to the Regional Manager”, his job is to supervise his staff.

The issue these writers have is that they don't have a true understanding of Evil (with a capital E). As you point out, Evil is built into the Orcs not in a facile "they're bad just because" way, but because of the profound malign influence of an evil subcreator in Morgoth. Folk often understandably get anxious around the idea of "evil races" because of real history, but they're looking in the wrong direction. Folk think the Orcs are caricatures of "barbarous" non-white peoples (not helped by some uncharacteristically poorly-chosen words from Tolkien himself), & making simplistic West=Europe & East=Asia allusions. But the Cirith Ungol chapter proves that the real Orcs are much closer to home. Orcs are not like human religious/ethnic groups who have been monstered & othered by the West: Orcs are the ones who dehumanise, oppress, & exterminate those peoples. The cruelty & hatred in their being is externalised, transforming them into horrors. Orcs aren't Jews, or Arabs, or Africans - they're the Nazis, Stalin's Communists, the Khmer Rouge, Al Quada, and all those supposed "People's Parties". They are the monsters people become when hatred engulfs their souls.

What I imagine about orcs mating etc is probably something like some wild animals. Not much nurturing going on except instinct. They'd have fast pregnancies with usually more than one infants. Few would survive but they'd have dozens of babies in their lifetime. The few that would survive they'd grow up feral and tortured with no sense of family. The little loving nuclear orc family was ridiculous. BTW I only recently learned that Tolkien wrote them to procreate. I thought they were created by dark magic from dirt like it was shown in the movies and in the BfME games haha. 😂😂

The Orcs are my favourite characters in Middle Earth. They’re endlessly relatable: evil, bloodthirsty, relentless, cannibalistic, humorously suicidal, they love battle, they want to wipe out all humans and they’re overall just a great time to watch every time they’re on screen. This… is a travesty on all levels

I enjoy the long reviews! If people think they’re too long, there’s a million channels making shorter ones. Yours are so much more informative and have so much depth.

I was repulsed by that scene. It was truly obscene. I'm glad Tolkien isn't alive to see this perversion of his work.

To reiterate what I said in ep 1 or 2, I live for in-depth reviews. Short reviews are more for deciding if one as a third party would watch the show or movie. In-depth or Longman reviews are more valid imo.

Yes! I've never clicked a video faster! And tomorrow we got ep4! Can't wait!! Your ROP videos are my favorite thing these days!

The eagle landed in nest and said to his wife: - Hello Love - Hello husbend, how was your trip? - It was good, the grandma is fine i brought her wat you asked me, but something strange has happened - What was that my love? - When i was flying over Numenor Empire i saw a big tower, i was a little tired so i sit on the top of it, what occurred there were humans there, a lot of them, they started to chant Farazon or Pharazon i dont know, and the one guy took a sword. I was thinking of saying that i'm traveling to my sick grandmother but then i got scared and flew away. - Those Numenoreans are weird - Indeed they are.

I am telling you guys, if people got together and made a low budget spoof movie on the ROP, that could get more viewership than the actual show. That could single handily bring back the parody comedy genre.

This show has the same problems The Acolyte had: close/medium shots where there should be wide establishing shots to show the epicness of the environment. Contrast this with HOTD - that show knew what they were doing. Its why this show looks so cheap - it’s how you would shoot something if you didn’t have enough extras, and couldn’t get a shooting permit. For a show with this budget, it’s inexcusable, and shows the utter lack of professionalism from the director of photography and the director - both of which I guarantee were hired for their lady-parts.

Tar Miriel would have become Queen, Pharazôn forced her into marriage and crowned himself King basically.

Wow, I read something about orc families in one of my LOTR Groups and I just thought someone was joking around at the idea. But... I never.. everrrr .. considered that ROP actually made orc families.

This is more entertaining an hour than the Rings of Power... so honestly, thank you Amazon, without you we wouldn't get such amazingly entertaining content.

Putting aside ROP itself; is anyone else disheartened by the fact that every major studio is full of CW levels of competency and creativity? I don’t see how things will improve if the industry is full of bad writers.

Orcs. Tolkien's noble savage.

Your reviews are fine. Longer the better

11:00 Well made point here. Just because we are told that goblins/orcs "breed" or "multiply" in profusion does not automatically at all mean that sexual reproduction has to be involved; in fact to assume that it must, shows a depressing lack of imagination (something Tolkien would have despaired of in any student of his). Germs and bacteria breed and multiply; it doesn't involve sexual reproduction.

This show is an AU Fanfic that Eru Illuvitar is looking from his place and says “well thank me that didn’t happen that way”

While mocking you are also teaching the correct lore which is great

I love these longer form reviews, keep it up guys

You episode reviews are the best, and most in-depth on RU-vid. Don't change, stay true to Tolkien

The reviews are just great as they are. I learn so much - and have lots of fun!

I like your long reviews!

3:13 Yes, Orcs reproduce like any other race, be it Elves, Men or Dwarves. I'm seeing an awful lot of misguided backlash against Rings of Power that claim the lore is that there are only male elves, and they reproduce as in the Jackson films, out of mud. I'm not defending what Rings of Power have done by any means, as it's difficult/impossible to imagine anything like a loving family unit of Orcs. You can imagine young orcs being culled to kill off any weak ones, to breed the most savage evil Orcs possible. They are an evil race, and if they have families (for example Bolg son of Azog implies they do), they will be evil families.

The fact that they can't us sympathize with the elves and humans but they want us to feel for the orcs is pure genious.....

Prefer the longer reviews as there is so much to dissect in what's supposed to be a Tolkien adaptation. Please continue them as I find them more engaging than the show itself at this point.

Orc families and exploding palentiri could it get any worse?😂

I believe in the entertainment industry, this kind of idiocy is often referred as a "jumping the shark" moment .😂

Truly enjoy the in-depth review and comparison to the Lore. So many people will take RoP at face value instead of going back to read the books.

Tolkien did write a scene with orcs talking about getting a cottage, away from the whips of the evil masters, although they also talked about hopefully it's close to where they could have great plunders as well. I still love your videos, and I'm a free loader.

Your longer reviews are the best!! I watch other channels too but yours is the most Tolkien focused and you often make such great points about the lore I didn’t even consider. Love your channel! You’re true Tolkien fans!

Affordable health care for orcs!

Don’t listen to the haters; the long reviews mocking everything stupid in this abomination is exactly what I want to see!

I appreciate the thoroughness of your analysis - And I’ve never read the books! But I’m learning a lot just listening to you guys - keep these long!

I wanted to say something about Cirdan looking like a pensioner, continuing the trend of RoP projecting human traits onto immortal elves, but after watching the whole "peacefull orc family" scene and the forging of the rings (if by "forging" we can describe tossing a piece of metal into a bowl, like a turd drops in a toilet) it seems pointless. PS: did the show imply that Ulmo stoped Cirdan from forging...sorry, meant "tossing" the rings in the "deepest point of the ocean" (which happens to be 200metres from the coast)? Or was this the writers' idea of a payoff to the whole "the sea is always right" thing from the first season?

For all the garbage "adapting" of Tolkien this show has, I think the biggest insult is the fact that for the writers, timelines and/or distances do not exist from the time Isildur falls underneath a burning building, the Numenoreans have time to travel back to their ships, release Discount Brego, and sail all the way back to Numenor, meanwhile, discount Brego travels back OVER the mountains, finds the village, then finds Isildur in the cave. Unless the spiders were feeding/giving water to Isildur while he was presumably unconscious this entire time, the dude should be dead from dehydration alone. Side note; I'm surprised Galadriel didn't tell the Numenoreans 'just kick the orcs onto a broken tree branch' to kill them, especially since fighting is in the feet. So much easier than the whole 'stab, twist, gut' nonsense

The most egregious misunderstanding is still this: *Elrond: Without it, my kind must either abandon these shores by spring, or perish. *Durin: Perish? Perish how? *Elrond: _Our immortal souls will dwindle into nothing,_ slowly diminishing, until we are but shadows, swept away by the tides of time. Forever. (Also, that Orc quote is not from a Letter, it is from Morgoth's Ring)

Worms like soil, crocodiles like swamps, vultures like roadkill. They don't pine after a cottage by the sea any more than orcs.

Longform reviews are the best. Everything is covered and nothing is left out. Keep at it!✨👌🏻

Cannot disagree more with this video! The reviews are too short, please take more time. Love your perspectives, honest and genuine, thank you gents for safeguarding the truth of Tolkien's lore. Count yourselves as members of the Faithful, the Kings men (ROP fans), may seem loudest, but they will not prevail.

49:20 great summary- "Ugh, You guys aren't worth it, see ya later" by great eagle

guys we're used to every podcast being 3 hours long, 1 hour is nothing!

I really watch all your videos and enjoy , don't cut it short , an hour of you is more worthy than the whole show ❤️👍💥

Guys, I really like your long reviews. Keep them coming!

the funny thing is, there are plenty of anime and manga fantasy that have done this with orc and goblins, so its not new concept, but it does not fit within Tolkiens world.

On the contrary your reviews are not too long I personally enjoy the long back and forth discussions. Don’t truncate it.

Considering that Tazmanian Devil pups fight, biting and clawing at each other before they can walk or even see, I can only imagine how savage orc babies are. I can't imagine them having family units since I always imagined Tolkien's orcs being similar to army ants. Just a swarming mass out to overwhelm and subjugate believing that everything is meant to be consumed or meant to provide for them.

Also , wanna point out while in SIL the official version is that Ar-Pharazon usurped the throne . Later Christopher uncovers later drafts from JRR that expand more on Numenor and that particular situation . Where Phrazon is described as the most beautiful among Men and that Miriel was seduced by his beauty , so despite of the forbidden for the Numenorians to wed anyone closer than 2nd cousin ( he is her first cousin ). She agrees willingly to wed him. The most beautiful human male was Ar-Pharazonaccording to Tolkien in HoMe I believe it was in vol12. And let’s not forget royal Numenorians ( even as removed in time as Aragorn ) had no facial hair , because of their grand sire bring of half elven origins . And ofc their height and majesty and we se nothing of the sort here .

That was the cringiest thing ever. Not seeing obvious orc females is part of the mystery imo. Or if they just had to do female orcs at least make it cool. I would imagine them as being almost like the males in personality , I certainly don't want to see them making weird sniffing gestures at a prop doll, also the orc dad seemed cross eyed.

@44:41 BOOM BOOM BOOM LOL, I shouldn't be watching this during work hours. Literally laughed out loud there.

i love that your videos are long and detailed , i like hearing all the things you have to say, even the rants, cause I rant about the same things you guys do :)

The 3 Elvish rings were made without anything from Anatar/Sauron. Right?

I have to say that orc scene was pretty funny hahaha, is so sad that we wated so much to see anything LOTR again and Amazon makes this shite.

guys your points are so accurate . i found it better than any other main lotr channel .thank you

Celebrimbor casting was horrible. And old grandma that only wears evening dresses

Again. Not bad ideas but insanely middle to low-brow executions. You COULD do a Sauron tragedy. But you'd have to go to the very begininng of the SA. And and and you'd need a genius to make it work. Costumes, production design, sound design. Everything has to be on point and they don't have shit except...Bear McCreary? Who i love but I've been so distracted by the show I havent even noticed the score. Using a Nazgul before he fell would be a much better idea instead of Sauron And you wanna do "think of the poor grunts sent to war?",,Dont do orcs. Do Easterlings or someone a bit more relatable. And if you DO use orcs. Get them out of the ghetto. Show us they've made something of themselves so we can relate a teeny bit. Just having an orc baby under some rags is stoooooopiddd

Is the horse going to be shadowfax ancestor?

Evil creating a living being out of mud is probably more agains the lore than anything this show has ever done.... Nobody said a word about it when movies came out. Audience these days is just terrible, not to defend this show, but generally speaking, no wonder every other show gets cancelled after 1 season.

How to romance a female Orc ,that's the movie I would want to see.

So, as you all know, for all intents and purposes, Tolkien set the conventions of the Fantasy genre. Other writers that have come after, tabletop RPGs, films, cartoons, they've pretty much adhered to them. Or, writers have challenged the conventions, focused their work on an evil character or a sympathetic Orc, yet they've shown that they're obviously aware of those conventions by doing so. The "show runners" are doing just that, albeit in a pandering and amateurish way, WITHIN Tolkien's universe!!! The often misguided and belligerent zeitgeist of ACTIVISM, is rearing it's ugly, childish and resentful head in Middle Earth! ... Whilst the "show" simultaneously manages to be boring, cringy, uninspiring, unentertaining, creatively bankrupt, amateur theatre. This program is an ABOMINATION to put it bluntly.

Yeah I don't think they mentioned it in the episode as shelob but I think people will go off the interview with maxim baldry where he said he saw in the script he wakes in a spider lair and he thought its shelob.

With regard to the comment about so few surviving the pyroclastic flow, remember that in the Two Towers, when Theoden, Legolas and Gimli got back to Helms Deep after the ambush, Eowyn commented by saying: "'So few, so few have come..." Then Gimli tells her that Aragorn fell. So that's where that dialogue comes from, the PeterJackson movies. Member berries again. 🙄

Keep the in depth reviews coming! 😃

18:00 producers have since said that yes it is in fact young LOR Spider. You're not allowed to have any breaks. Consume.

The “member” references are cracking me up 😂😂😂

I myself think you're not long enough.

Oh wow, that was quick work on that map. It already shows Orodruin!

After wondering how Celebrimbor doesn’t recognize Halbarad for months and then realizing he does in fact know who he is, I’m very concerned about what the answer is to how they are going to do both Pharazon’s fall with Sauron and Sauron’s fall in a besieged Mordor at the same time. I’m guessing the show won’t make it that far tho 🤷‍♂️

Exactly, showrunners don't show any jewelry/gold-smithing or lapidary of the rings at all! Shown are the extravagantly long molten ore channels that would see the liquid metals cool and harden long before they even reach a mold. Sauron was happy for Shelob to feed on Orc's at will. LOTR. T.T. Ch.9 'Shelob's Lair' "And as for Sauron: he knew where she lurked. It pleased him that she should dwell there hungry but unabated in malice, a more sure watch upon that ancient path into his land than any other that his skill could have devised. And Orcs, they were useful slaves, but he had them in plenty. If now and again Shelob caught them to stay her appetite, she was welcome: he could spare them."

"a conflagration known as a dumpster fire". Bingo! We have Bingo.

it's not about the fact that they think we're stupid, it's just that they are stupid))

I’m glad others address the orc issue . I honestly feel like I’m the sole person at least on fb to feel this is the worst breach of anything resembling lore , ROP could do. And I am really not out to hate on ROP and its ( quite devoted ) fans . But this pollutes the lore in a way , that it’s twisting Tolkien’s words to pretend this nonsense is “ what Tolkien wanted “ as it’s quite the opposite . And it’s spread on fb mainstream pages who pose as “ lore pages “. So, the last time I pointed the orc issue out , I actually got banned in one of them . But the complete disregard of the complexity of the orc issue Tolkien faced his entire life , bring diminished and twisted like this , aside . This narrative turns the heroes of Middle-earth , especially such as Aragorn in the 4th age who purged from orcs , into genocidal war criminals . And that obviously would never be Tolkien’s idea .

As much I love to lisen you, I have two children, and they "dont share power" 😂

The mithril plop bit had me going

Never mind the RoP. You two are hilarious.

LONG REVIEWS!! I listen to them when I'm doing dishes or playing videogames. I hope you keep doing what you're doing. Maybe you could timestamp the review and at the end have a sort of 'sum up' bit that the short attention span people could fast forward to. I enjoy longer format reviews as they give me something to listen to during the long work day.

Wow, the "Longman Bad" argument is starting to hit people other than Mauler...

Reviews like this have made it so I’ve never had to watch RoP, but I’ve enjoyed it immensely.

The fucking “Orc ambitions…. “ line had me dying…. Stupid show runners trying to use allegories again… Tolkien didn’t use allegories. Such blasphemy!!!!

I for one foresee dental work expansion in Mordor and maybe Samaritans could pop in .

These are run an informative. I did ask a bit ago for other channels to watch and got good responses from y’all. Thank you! Has anyone watched Tolkien Untangled ? He’s got fun, and intense, “how’d I make a second age tv series,” and wonder if anyone else has listened to them? Anyone who does listen to this fella, thoughts?

You mean when the orcs created the peaceful utopia in the mines of moria

Worse looking orc in any fantasy.

It’s not too long, I love the in-depth analysis of every dog shit episode.

This show, ROP, plagiarizes so much from Peter Jackson's movies, just in the 2nd Age

I will continue to have every RoP play once in the background of my office, muted of course, every time a new episode airs, or hate watching it if I am extremely deep into a fit of insomnia, just so I can continue to watch these fantastic breakdowns. Bravo gentlemen.

irremediable, not irredeemable. I don't understand how you guys can be so spot-on with everything but also be illiterate

28:46 Don Lemonlas doesn't blame morgoth😂?? what??