@@decrazygaming1738 Uruks arent. the original Orcs from the first dark lord morgoth is the ones that used corrupted elves, uruks are made from vats, which is like a pool of muck that they just pull them out of
@@amirhaikal6672 The Uruk-hai are just another type of orcs, not created by Saruman by any means in the books. All orcs comes from the corrupted elves of Morgoth
I wish there was a possibility of special death defying orcs spawning randomly and ambush you saying something suggesting that they used to be just a rabble.
I really like how these games really drove the point home that orcs aren't just brainless monsters but more like savage barbarians. They're still people with feelings even though they're all deformed and menacing.
Orks aren't people. Stop being a racist, and trying to humanize them. Comparing an Ork to a human isn't a compliment for an Ork, anymore than comparing a Gorilla to a Monkey.
I mean, we always knew they were able to speak, follow orders, strategize and think independently. ("What about their legs? We can still eat those, right?") And I imagine you have to be at least sorta cunning just to survive as an orc. It's just that they're a bunch of ruthless thugs with no concept of kindness or mercy.
Too be far, letting yourself be killed not only upgrates the loot but also gets some pretty fun and interesting Orc combos Like the story of the slave that ended up betraying literally everyone he ever served, including me twice.
To elaborate on what the other person said (About nine months late lol) not including quests, not much happens in the game if you don't die If you don't die your orcs never fight any enemies, camps are never taken over, rivalries are never formed, etc. Sorta have to die to make anything happen
"When do we learn how to walk out the grave?" Just become a captain and kill the gravewalker a few times and you gain the ability to cheat death too. Not infinitely of course, but I've had one orc come back as many times as cats got lives once so it got to count for something at least.
thats not so much coming back as it Surviving on the brink. (unless the game actually say that they do indeed die and resurrect somewhere i havent seen yet) after all you see most titles say defied death or cheated death always something that eludes to surviving. never resurrected or undead things that would Elude to them dying and then coming back.
I recently beat shadow of mordor, having gone back to play the first and finding a lot of systems better such as executions, wrath, and dominant being on hit streak and combo instead of an arbitrary bar much better (it made combat feel fluid but it often did target the wrong urruk which I'm glad SOW improved), and my nemesis for the whole game ended up being the first urruk I killed gûb the weak... He was at the final battle and came back 12 times. It was disappointing
@@drawnwriter5543 There is a chance that one of the big guys can come back from Literal Death when you behead them. It's honestly the worst kind of Rival you can get because now you just have to hope to god that death will actually _take_ the next time you beat them...
@@zerochaotics1135yeah in mordor the system was a little better with stuff being over hit streaks instead of a bar. But simultaneously once you were past the start. Everything dies comedically fast. Especially if you got good runes with your bow. Your bow basically becomes a nuke launcher that takes 8 easy kills to be ready again.
@@engel0697and Talion has no love for orca, he doesn’t care if they die (well, kind of. He does sort of grow an attachment to his orcs in a way, just not the same he would with humans)
@@mastertubbily1812 but that’s simply an accurate men in the lore of all middle earth base things are more skeleton orcs, and can likely pass them in combat. If they had equal numbers army of men would likely win that’s why, even though it works outnumbered all of mankind during the dark ages, they still survive because they were better
I love the fact that the Orcs recognize Talion as the Bright Lord, not Celebrimbor. Helps explain the fact that even tho it was Celebrimbor who “recruited” them, they remain loyal to Talion after Celebrimbor is absorbed into Sauron
@@Guru_1092The game is over 5 years old. You chose to click on a video about it, and chose to read the comments. The only one at fault for being spoiled is you.
@@Guru_1092 “oh hey, here’s a video about a 5-year-old game I haven’t finished. Better read the comments. I’m sure no one will be talking about the story they all beat half a decade ago.” 🙄
Everybody doesn’t actually see celebrate him bore only certain people can see him they just know that he refers to himself as the bright Lord but only like 12 people I think overall have ever seen him😂
Would have prefered it if they said "Well that's how the vats work, innit? You die, you go in the vat, you come back out. Only difference is the Bright Lord remembers everything."
“How do I learn to come back from the grave?” that one captain that just refuses to stay death and constantly comes back to ambush you, betray you or taunt you. "Just have enough rage and hatred for somebody"
"How long until we learn to walk back from the grave" - In my game an orc said this and later the same day he died..... He came back later with his jead sewn back on.
Kinda off-topic and late comment but remind me that my friend´s little brother is a dungeon master and sometimes he ask me ideas about enemies, factions, etc. So one time I though "You should put orcs in it, but make them scientist, with a secret lab and lab coats" and we started developing the idea that someone give you the quest of infiltrating the lab to steal their research, and then you find out they were developing the (suspense music) a DOUBLE EDGE AXE
"When do we learn how to walk out of the grave" Says the Uruk who took 15 attempts to kill because his ass wouldn't stay in the ground, so I had to recruit him out of respect.
Okay but serious question now: when Talion dies and respawns, what happens with his corpse? Like when he returns, is that the same body, or does the curse or Celebrimbor create a new one for him? If so, does his last body cease to exist shortly after his death, or is there a pit somewhere, that's stacked full with Talion-corpses discarded by the orcs?
I loved how the orcs, uruk, olog think the bright lord is a vastly intelligence god man. Me as a Bright Lord - "I don't know what the fuck I am doing half the time but it's working." Me wearing the mask to the brutes "See my brilliant plan had worked." Basically, like lord ainz from overlord.
That’s not exactly accurate the main character comes back because he’s a wraith making him essentially Unkillable permanently. Elves can’t be killed and vanquished. They are not anuiar
Talion: I do suppose I could bring in cats to deal with the rats. Uruk: Then why not have the Caragors do that? Talion: Do you not starve them on purpose to make them more aggressive? Uruk: Right, forgot about that.
Originally they were supposed to be created by morgoroth himself, but tolkien is a bad writer so now they’re corrupted owls, which still doesn’t make sense since orcs can number any race of middle earth as they win through power in numbers, never scale as every other race of the middle earth can beat them in combat as their twisted creatures
@@Bin.Ballen Did not know about the owl thing. Very interesting. As a kid, when watching the Rankin/Bass cartoon, Goblin/Orc was interchangeable. I never quite understood it. About the time the LOTR live action came out, people (older people that read the books and people at the Games Workshop, mostly) informed me that Goblins used to be Elves and that Orcs were once Human but were corrupted but Sauron's dark mojo. Uruk-hai don't matter as they were strictly made up for the movie. I read the LOTR/Hobbit books after the first movie dropped but they explain nothing, not that they have to I guess, I think the Hobbit is way better then all three LOTR books BTW. My older sister told me about his other books like the Silmarillion, which I had trouble reading and lost interest like a quarter of the way in. My sister told me that those stories were "technically" never finish but that his (Tolkien's) son finished them based on loose notes and word of mouth stories his father passed down to him. Now, obviously many people have been lying to me but I suppose if any of that's true then one can't take the "owl" origin or proper "scaling" as canon either "if" Tolkien never officially finish his work in progress or it's origins. Playing with ideas doesn't necessarily make them official...
Me as the bright lord telling “the reason I am not dealing with rats is because I can see through their eyes and I have thought about using rats as spies but I don’t want to put you Uruks out of the fun.”
Had a Necromancer Olog die and i was about to shame my captain who killed him cause obviously i wanted him and the mf ressurected himself infront of my eyes ready for round 2, hes now my Bodyguard.
I see they are very much equal, if works not better, simply because orcs have special dialogue in between each or if that is a captain there’s almost never phrase, repeated almost and some of them are especially funny by thugs, and Gotham have very scripted funny parts like their parts of the game where you have to encounter them versus works, for you can go to the whole five years without meeting a certain type of work and Random we run into him now and I will be hilarious still that can’t happen in Arkham
I'm generally not very fond of games made from books and/or movies but these games were really, really fun to play, even if the story kinda shits all over the source material sometimes.
They're not monsters, just uneducated, propagandized, militarized and brutalized. In Tolkien's world, Orcs can be entirely redeemed, but this game made them a lot more interesting as characters.
Me: "Humans don't comeback from death like you orcs and I am cruse to come back every time I die. So, I never die. I got to tell immortally sucks we human protect everything we love we don't want to have anything happened to our loved ones and that is the reason we human fight. Well, most of the time we do fight to protect our loved ones but some of us have a different reason behind it. I tried my best to protect my wife and my daughter until the cruse won't let me die that memory kept me going and if I can't protect what I lost I will take my revenge who took it!"
