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Order Within Chaos in the Double Pendulum (Island of Stability Simulation) 

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In this video, every double pendulum consists of two weightless, rigid rods, each one meter long, with identical one-kilogram bobs at their ends. All 1600 double pendulums are simulated from rest in a vacuum, devoid of friction or air resistance, allowing gravity alone to influence their motion. The simulations are programmatically generated using the Dormand-Prince 8th-order method, with relative and absolute tolerances set to 1e-9 and 1e-11, respectively.
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00:01 Digital Abyss - Stephen Keech
03:23 Out of Flux - cdHiddenDir
06:21 Fata Morgana (Instrumental Version) - Yehezkel Raz
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@slendgamer895
@slendgamer895 2 дня назад
If you increase the resolution and calculate how long each pendulum would take to deviate heavily from the island of stability and plot that time as a colour, i can see a very cool fractal emerging...
@skop6321
@skop6321 День назад
if possible I would love to see that
@atimholt
@atimholt День назад
I've seen a video like that before. I don't remember if it's an “island of stability” thing, or if it was based on some other property, though. I've actually got two videos on the topic in my suggested videos in this tab *right now*. (probably including the one I watched). Search “the double pendulum fractal”.
@complexcreations5309
@complexcreations5309 23 часа назад
@slendgamer895 @skop6321 @atimholt I found a paper about exactly that! It shows the entire fractal for all posible angles. www.famaf.unc.edu.ar/~vmarconi/fiscomp/Double.pdf
@JoseRodriguez-pi8cx
@JoseRodriguez-pi8cx 18 часов назад
I’m like, 100% certain this is a julia set
@SkyburstGandalf
@SkyburstGandalf 18 часов назад
@@JoseRodriguez-pi8cx The initial shape of the island looks more like something from a Lyapunov fractal to me.. you can see the sort of sweeping arms that you get like here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyapunov_fractal#/media/File:Lyapunov_fractal_segment.png
@shobanaraghuveeran
@shobanaraghuveeran 2 дня назад
Just randomly remembered how good your klein bottle video was, and came back to pay a revisit. I was thrilled to see the new upload. Can't wait to watch the long form video!!
@andrewscampfire
@andrewscampfire 2 дня назад
Wow, thank you!
@HiAdrian
@HiAdrian 2 дня назад
What a great idea and execution, I didn't expect some to persist this long.
@demariultraastra864
@demariultraastra864 День назад
That is so cool, I would have never expected any stable outcomes like that, and of top of that it's also clearly shown as a well defined repeating pattern in a sea of confusion, super sweet man
@CharlesVanNoland
@CharlesVanNoland День назад
Now, simulate the range of angles between "stable" and "unstable" around the periphery of the stable island, to narrow down exactly where the edge of stability is.
@AnthonyFlack
@AnthonyFlack День назад
Do you reckon it would be something kooky like a Julia set?
@snapo1750
@snapo1750 22 часа назад
Could you do the same animation again but increase the floating point precision with mpmath to a 1000 decimal points? i think what you see is the 64bit accuracy limit (just an assumption)
@KrudlerTheHorse
@KrudlerTheHorse 13 часов назад
Yes, this is a big simulation of floating-point rounding errors. But then, you can't really simulate physics in a computer, no matter how hard you try.
@TheNadOby
@TheNadOby 12 часов назад
The point is to see if a pattern persists, if it does that means that the simulation has more probability of being true to actual behavior.
@KrudlerTheHorse
@KrudlerTheHorse 7 часов назад
@@TheNadOby We're not in disagreement. I just feel it is important for people to understand what we're looking at.
@georhodiumgeo9827
@georhodiumgeo9827 6 часов назад
I was thinking about the same thing but I don't think rounding is causing this island. The reason I would be skeptical is because there is still quite a bit of divergence withen the island. Also I would expect islands of stability but this one seems to hold on longer than it should. I guess my suspension would be that this is pretty stable island but the pendulums become copies of each other separated by integer time steps twards the end? Not sure, I'd love to see a higher precision version and see if the island looks different. Still one of the best videos I've seen on this tho.
@doyletheCat
@doyletheCat 5 часов назад
You can see in the island at every oscillation the pendulums have slightly shifted phases. I feel like if this was purely due to precision, they would all be exactly the same and not have phase shifts
@uasaad
@uasaad 2 дня назад
"Andrew's Campfire comeback before GTA 6"
@tovinbradley
@tovinbradley 2 дня назад
Literally found this channel today. And there is a new upload 😂
@isaosauzedde5513
@isaosauzedde5513 День назад
Absolutely awesome. Is there any rigorous theory behind? Never heard of it, and it looks like it's much better than just the vanishing of some first two derivatives in a three-parameters problem, there really is something going on here.
@zerotwo7319
@zerotwo7319 20 часов назад
Chaos theoy? Attractors? Maybe.
@pianissimo7121
@pianissimo7121 16 часов назад
It feels to me those are the ones where neither the 1st nor 2nd do a full rotation. A full rotation immediately causes chaos.
@isaosauzedde5513
@isaosauzedde5513 15 часов назад
@@pianissimo7121 but of course! thanks :) I guess a naive way to understand this is thinking of a landscape with an absolute mess of extrema pretty much everywhere, and then you have one region that just looks like a nice potential with a single minima
@henryptung
@henryptung 13 часов назад
@@pianissimo7121 Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. There is certainly enough energy in all these setups to perform a full rotation and enter chaotic behavior, so whether this happens is probably controlled by how strongly the two oscillations couple together, and how close their frequencies are. If the coupling is enough to coerce them to a common frequency, then you get synchronization instead of chaos. If not, then eventually the unsynchronized oscillations will push enough energy into one pendulum to make full rotations.
@pianissimo7121
@pianissimo7121 12 часов назад
@@henryptung yes, but it's difficult to simplify. If the animations are fully accurate, then resonance between the 2 pendulums should be only at specific angles. Not a bunch, or maybe I am wrong. But whatever the reason they are not rotating, no rotation is the reason for the center to look alike.
@MAFiA303
@MAFiA303 День назад
i love when science and art are equal in a piece of work! great one
@_Blazing_Inferno_
@_Blazing_Inferno_ День назад
:0 this is really neat! The beginning shape reminded me of Lyapunov Fractals (which derive from the Logistic Map). The double pendulum region idea doesn’t seem to map exactly to that of Lyapunov Fractals, but I think it might be similar, just with a non-repeating but somewhat-repetitive sequence.
@eell8383
@eell8383 2 дня назад
IT'S BEEN 2 YEARS
@TheNadOby
@TheNadOby 11 часов назад
That's an amazing simulation, send it to all who might or might be not interested. The longer video will be eagerly anticipated.
@Peregringlk
@Peregringlk 22 часа назад
This animation is f*king amazing. Although, how do you deal with the problem that machines have finite precision? How do you know these islands of stability are not a consequence of the numerical computation itself?
@zerotwo7319
@zerotwo7319 20 часов назад
Theoretically it would be between -1 and 1. I think.
@terdragontra8900
@terdragontra8900 12 часов назад
Artifacts from numerical imprecision usually look more like a moiré pattern or something, and usually such imprecision would destroy a clean pattern rather than create one. I admit that’s the opposite of rigorous reasoning though.
@Boomchacle
@Boomchacle День назад
This is super interesting. I will definitely watch your longer video.
@cameronhunt5967
@cameronhunt5967 18 часов назад
I think watching the pendulums as points moving though phase space with trails would be cool too. Would the stable ones be orbiting some point? Or maybe redrawing the same line over and over.
@terdragontra8900
@terdragontra8900 12 часов назад
They would be converging to a loop in that 4 dimensional phase space, yes
@alexbaughman9404
@alexbaughman9404 Час назад
this is mesmerizing to watch
@georhodiumgeo9827
@georhodiumgeo9827 6 часов назад
Great video, it bends my brain.
@axle.student
@axle.student 2 дня назад
This is a kool simulation. It may be helpful to add a brief about what this shows or why :)
@thecalmbeforethemaelstrom
@thecalmbeforethemaelstrom 2 дня назад
return of the king
@toricon8070
@toricon8070 День назад
what's interesting to me are the "lakes" in the middle of the island, which break from the pattern even while their neighbors follow it
@bobspianosbffl
@bobspianosbffl 21 час назад
These pendulums in what you have named the island of stability do not pass through "sharp" points that lead to chaos. They don't have the second arm making a whole rotation and so they are behaving more like a single pendulum which is not chaotic
@AexisRai
@AexisRai День назад
at around 6:20, near the top left of the island, one pendulum on the boundary that previously deviated from the island briefly appears to sync back up with the island for several swings before deviating again.
@gabberwhacky
@gabberwhacky 18 часов назад
Well, that was really satisfying.
@DB88888
@DB88888 9 часов назад
TLDR: this is a chimera state and we need to know which coupling you implemented in the simulations to figure out why it emerges. Long version: I have so many questions about this. Are the pendulums independent? If there is a coupling, is it local or global? And what type of coupling? Are the initial condition all the same or randomized? And if they are all the same, what is the accuracy of the machine number used to generate them (this being a potentially chaotic system, it should have sensitive dependence of initial conditions)? Speaking about chaotic regime, what is the projected dynamically behavior of each pendulum given its structural parameters, value of gravity and initial conditions? Also, as a side note, I would not call that an island of stability, as much it's an island of synchronicity. This is a chimera state for the system and it would be really cool to have an answer to all the above questions to see why this chimeric behavior emerges
@jonastrindade7294
@jonastrindade7294 2 дня назад
Next up playing bad apple using double pendulum 😂
@marcuscarana9240
@marcuscarana9240 22 часа назад
Wow that music sounds like a new dimension to another world is opening starting the multiverse war.
@gilgazord0303
@gilgazord0303 11 часов назад
The greater the difference in angle between both pendulums, the larger the cross term in the Lagrangian and it's accompanying nonlinearities
@Miaumiau3333
@Miaumiau3333 15 часов назад
If you calculate the dot product of each double pendulum and set the hue of each pixel accordingly you'll get a colorful animation!
@zaq1320
@zaq1320 День назад
here's my question though, why do they have slightly different periods before they diverge from the stable point? especially in the later part, you can see waves moving across the island of stability as they get further and further out of phase, indicating that in this metastable mode the initial angle has some continuous, predictable effect on the period of the pendulum. I ask because, much like the three-body problem, this strikes me as a "simplified case" where it might be possible to actually reason about the properties of an otherwise chaotic system while it stays within a known stable configuration... I mean, empirically it would be pretty easy to produce an equation that locally predicts, say, the period of a pendulum halfway between two others simulated near the centre of this island, and that equation would show that period is some product of the sum of the two angles. But... why? Why does having an otherwise stable configuration with a greater angle lead to a slower oscillation, kinematically? Clearly, even in an island of stability where the arm stays relatively straight, we can't model a double pendulum as a single one, but what's the nature of the discrepancy? I'm sure it has to do with the flexing of the middle joint "absorbing energy in the system" (although intuitively, that doesn't quite hold water, to me), but perhaps I'd hypothesize that the more the middle joint bends during each cycle, the slower the cycle is - hence a more severe initial angle leads to a slightly slower period of oscillation.
@andrewpratt83
@andrewpratt83 День назад
The period of a pendulum is often approximated as being constant for any initial displacement, but in actually the displacement of a pendulum slightly affects the period of the swing. I don't recall which way the relationship goes.
@speedcubesolver1195
@speedcubesolver1195 2 дня назад
Buckle up! He's back!!! 💛💛💛💛💛
@takanara7
@takanara7 10 часов назад
Cool video.
@BsktImp
@BsktImp 2 часа назад
Cool apophenia. Now have them correlated and vary the degree of correlation.
@VivianAttler
@VivianAttler 21 час назад
never thought a double pendulum state would last longer than me in bed D:
@mersilvaureus1525
@mersilvaureus1525 День назад
I feel like I need to tell someone about this...
@BrickGriff
@BrickGriff 12 часов назад
Is this how scientists discover new industrial materials?
@johndoh1000
@johndoh1000 6 часов назад
Someone needs to make a paper about this, and then someone else needs to make a RU-vid video explaining what’s said in the paper.
@CyrusdVulture
@CyrusdVulture 22 часа назад
Okay but why does it look like Sonic's head.
@speedcubesolver1195
@speedcubesolver1195 2 дня назад
Now I wonder Why those specific pendulums took a long long time to go into chaos .. is there a specific reason ? Perhaps it has to do with the property of the angle measure? (101°, 115°?)
@vitriolicAmaranth
@vitriolicAmaranth 18 часов назад
Why is the angelfish of stability so irregularly shaped, I wonder?
@Hancemayapu
@Hancemayapu 2 дня назад
HOLY MOLY THIS GUY IS BACK
@philipnielsen2104
@philipnielsen2104 День назад
amazing! can you do the other stable mode?
@JoshuaSeed
@JoshuaSeed 8 часов назад
Watching this makes me irrationally angry. I want it to devolve into chaos or order, but this half state is an abomination.
@kspangsege
@kspangsege День назад
Seems to me that the "island" is mostly due to an artifact of our visual system. It is the part where our visual system is able to detect coherence. The coherence is actually there everywhere, just undetectable by our eyes. If you reran the same experiment, but recorded all angles halved for the video, you would see the island expanding significantly.
@NathanD.Parece
@NathanD.Parece День назад
the stability in this case isn't the fact that the double pendulums in the central region stay coherent with each other. In fact, they don't--they acquire this "ripple" that increases over time, meaning they have close but not equal periods of oscillation. Instead, the stability we're interested in here is in the fact that the pendulums towards the center repeat nearly the same motion over and over again. I say nearly because these are not truly stable modes; after a long enough time, the motion will become chaotic and stop repeating the same motion. But in the "island of stability", we have an incredible set of circumstances: all of these pendulums are in quasistable (that is, nearly-stable, in that they return to almost the same position [subject to some error a] for a long time [some time T]) AND they all sit next to each other in the phase space of starting angles. The implication here would be that the closer you get to the center of the island, the smaller a gets and the larger T gets. But I don't know if that's true, and in fact it does not need to be true--it's possible that over larger time scales and finer angular resolutions, the island is actually an archipelago!
@kspangsege
@kspangsege День назад
​@@NathanD.Parece Ahh, good point. I was thinking in terms of chaos in the relation between the motions of the individual double pendulums, but I see now that it is more about the chaos in the motion of each one individually, and that the island is a region where all have low-chaotic motion. Thanks.
@boomerhippie
@boomerhippie 16 часов назад
Cool!
@theshuman100
@theshuman100 5 часов назад
im very why the island has a tail that extends all the way down. at least in the beginning
@bananaman.__
@bananaman.__ 2 дня назад
so glad i subbed. this is crazy lol
@MalcolmReynoldsfromDarkSouls
@MalcolmReynoldsfromDarkSouls 13 часов назад
surely this is a programming outcome and not a mathematical one
@thezipcreator
@thezipcreator День назад
I kinda wanna see someone make bad apple with this now sidenote, you should probably make your music timestamps start at 0:01 and not 0:00 so they don't get marked as chapters in the video
@andrewscampfire
@andrewscampfire День назад
Thanks! I didn't know about that.
@XD152awesomeness
@XD152awesomeness 3 часа назад
Is this in any way related to the theoretical island of stability for atomic elements?
@Nate-bd8fg
@Nate-bd8fg 2 дня назад
Nice vid
@MCNarret
@MCNarret 2 дня назад
Yep... the fractal.
@sergioiucci4495
@sergioiucci4495 День назад
Don't leave us again 😢
@felix.5507
@felix.5507 День назад
Did you add some check code that tests that no pendulum occupies the same state point as another across all time
@fitox1234
@fitox1234 2 дня назад
Ur back!!!
@isoufacker
@isoufacker 22 часа назад
will it go back in its original synchronized movement ?
@Killerean
@Killerean 36 минут назад
Interesting
@Zeynep2027
@Zeynep2027 2 дня назад
Oh my god welcome back my favorite brain damager guy 🥹
@Niohimself
@Niohimself День назад
Why is this video so stressful
@Cat-pv1zz
@Cat-pv1zz День назад
凄いな、何でこうなるんだ
@Retroskulll
@Retroskulll День назад
It's amazing how accurately this also applies to humans, ie. their sociopolitical aspects. First, tiny deviations and misalignments, which then cause growing chaos and instability. But... No matter the sheer weight of madness and depravity, a strong heart at the center will always beat like one, like a wave, and endure. The insignificat clutter may continue to flap around aimlessly in its misguided fits, but it will be the strong ones to achieve unity.
@Criz454
@Criz454 День назад
bro made double pendulums political
@Retroskulll
@Retroskulll День назад
Ta-ra-tata-ra-tum, that's me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Canyon_Lark
@Canyon_Lark День назад
Except that there’s no representation here of strength or willpower. It’s pure random chance that those pendulums started in a configuration that could remain stable
@Retroskulll
@Retroskulll День назад
@@Canyon_Lark I'm not talking about strength or willpower, since thats not what influences what I talk about. And no,it absolutely is not pure chance. You really should stop gobbling up mainstream brainslop.
@GreyMaria
@GreyMaria День назад
shutting the fuck up is way better for your health than making double pendulums political
@IsaacDickinson-tf8sf
@IsaacDickinson-tf8sf День назад
Someone should find the function of the fractal that emerges
@subliminal6529
@subliminal6529 6 часов назад
It looks to me like String Theory.
@giefuser
@giefuser 13 часов назад
What is the first song. I don’t think it is Digital Abyss
@keinanviceri4661
@keinanviceri4661 2 дня назад
No more topology and stuff??
@leightonholley4342
@leightonholley4342 22 часа назад
Does the island look vaguely similar to the USA+Mexico to anyone else?
@acatnamedsea
@acatnamedsea 11 часов назад
why
@Luvvba
@Luvvba 2 дня назад
🙏🙏🙏🔥
@suhnih4076
@suhnih4076 9 часов назад
Wiw ok😊
@theilluminator4778
@theilluminator4778 2 дня назад
Why hello there
@phonxil4592
@phonxil4592 День назад
The island looks like Croatia
@miikavihersaari3104
@miikavihersaari3104 14 часов назад
And that's what a migraine looks like 😬
@liveinwaves
@liveinwaves 10 часов назад
Anyone else see the US and Mexico?
@EngineerNick
@EngineerNick 8 минут назад
:O
@davidmantiss7105
@davidmantiss7105 2 дня назад
He remembered his password guys
@Banaannaa
@Banaannaa 2 часа назад
another copy of another video cmon
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