Organ recording in 3D binaural audio (headphones) Ormskirk Parish Church - We manufacture the SR3D! 

Considering how old that organ is the air was probably supplied originally by men operating huge manually operated bellows. I have seen drawings of them and the required dozens of men to operate on the larger organs. I worked for a pipe organ company in my youth and foolishly quit.

This is because of the binaural recording that uses human ears to catch the binaural information that we use to perceive things externally, it's like being there, well, it should do!

Tubular action was a failure. It was a brief bridge between tracker action and electro-pneumatic action. They worked but they were slow to respond to touch. Very sensitive to atmospheric pressure and were nasty to maintain.

Church filled with people singing probably another level too!

I think that information is in the video, perhaps you didn't watch all of it? I do agree that he has an excellent talent and will sure go far in the future.

Right at the very end he is identified as being called Mark Jones.

@@user-pw3tr1xg2x Thanks! It's curious how @sr3d-microphones' snarky reply took twice as many keystrokes as yours to not answer this simple question. Monetization and it's associated algorithms have sadly damaged RU-vid and the once-generous community of users.

Or maybe he wasn’t being snarky at all! I couldn’t tell from tone of his voice

Anna Lapwood A British organist that is stunning to listen too. Listen to: Midnight Sessions at the Royal Albert Hall ❤❤❤

Indeed, it’s overlooked and simply played back like music which removes the 3D effect, binaural is quite amazing when used correctly.

Yes, usually 32 notes- they go lower in pitch than the manuals and provide the deep base foundation.

@@HobbyOrganist or a deep BASS base even.

I remember it as Nun dankest or how was it called in Germany,my heart leaps every time I hear it,thanks for sharing your thoughts 👍👍👍🙏

sr3d-co-uk.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=fr&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp Je suis désolé que vous ne compreniez pas l'anglais, il n'y a pas vraiment grand chose dans la vidéo, et il y a quelques étiquettes décrivant les microphones utilisés, une tête factice et quelques types de tubes, vous devriez pouvoir utiliser une traduction fonction sur le site Web www.sr3d.co.uk à partir de Google Translate, copiez-collez simplement dans Google

Your correct, I have some LP's where it says on the back that the dummy-head binaural was used to record the music, then I never heard of it again.

The major limitation that kept it from being more widely used is that the listener must be wearing headphones. Binaural recordings don't translate well to loudspeakers. Of course in our time headphones/earbuds are more popular than ever, so hopefully we'll have a bit of a binaural renaissance.

Cowboy Junkies “Trinity Session” is binaural

Ear buds are another alternative for headphones, and should still give an extra dimension to the audio, your phone is an excellent means of experiencing binaural audio 👍 Not sure what you meant by the specification, the acoustics were mentioned on the day too by the organist himself. Indeed, Mark is very talented and I’m sure he has a great opportunity for the future.

Discretion is the better part of valour» and in that instance the definition of discretion is the ability to understand and interpret music authentically. The player will make a very fine musician once he masters «discretion» in his approach to registration. A CAVEAT..... I now understand that this instrument is SUFFERING so it's possible that despite it's touted huge resources that possibly the correct stops might not have been usable. When faced with failing instruments all of us use what's available - sometimes gritting our teeth as we do so.

Good luck making a VPO fill a decent size parish church without sounding tinny and plasticky...

Sure, don't forget to wear headphones :O)

He mentioned he just did his exams at school and was 16.

Was surprised he had his adult voice. Hope he can keep with it, a rising star.

Hi, I think the first 3 are: NUN DANKET By Sigfrid Karg-Elert Prere A Notre-Dame By Leon Boellmann TRUMPET VOLUNTARY By John Stanley But I'm unsure of the last one as I don't have the organists video that he made of that part of the timeline. RU-vid suggests different names in the copyright section of the video, though Mark has titled the video he supplied with him playing the organ with his feet in shot so I've used his titles as being correct. Mark is very talented, I'm sure his passion for the instrument will bring him some incredible experiences.

@@sr3d-microphones The last is as I noted above -Bach BWV 533 Fugue in E-minor. ( It would have been great to hear the BWV 533 prelude as well!) Thanks again.

@@Dogfather66227 I believe that is something omitted as I think you are talking about the 1st or 2nd part, I was asked to see if I could have sorted that out, but I had already done the editing and I simply didn’t know the piece so missed it, Mark was practicing and some sections were repeated so it was difficult to add the audio to both my video, and Marks personal video of him playing, which I may add he added the blower footage and used the SR3D for the audio which he edited himself and passed on to me for inclusion after I had concluded the edit, so it was quite a task to edit and unfortunately this error had been expressed to me that some people would notice this 🫤 and I guess your one of many that’s going to remind me of this, no doubt for quite some time to come. But at least I still think it’s quite an epic bit of recording and quite emotional in some parts too. Mark is an expert on the organ in my opinion. When I see Mark next I’ll ask him for the pieces on the final cut and add I’ll add them to the description, just to be sure they are correct. Thanks very much for your comments, it’ll add some extra detail to the video.

Just updated the pieces by cross referencing them! NUN DANKET By Sigfrid Karg-Elert 4:57 Prere A Notre-Dame By Leon Boellmann 8:55 TRUMPET VOLUNTARY By John Stanley 15:44 Bach BWV 533 Fugue in E-minor (not complete - 2nd part). 19:30 Prelude in a classic style by G Young 22:20 I have updated the description with this info too

Wasn’t the Minuet from Boelmann also in there following Priere?

Probably due to my editing and not knowing the pieces as well as I should!

Thanks for checking out this, when I was recording at first before he started playing it was silent, and I then went to the keyboard with him where he started the air, I wasn’t aware of any hiss until I actually played back the edits for making the video, so I thought I had a hardware malfunction at first but realised it was simply the organs hardware instead. I hope you wore headphones for listening to this 👍 Happy Christmas 🎅

I didn't wear any at first, but then decided to dig out a pair and re-listen to sections of the music I had enjoyed.

@@roaldpage How was the second listening? as with headphones on you would experience the binaural effect that the ears pickup before going to the microphones, this should give a good sense of being there as long as the volume was set correctly, at about 30%

@@sr3d-microphones Second listening was excellent, and the binaural recording certainly did give it a more 3D presence. It is also a vastly different to the form of binauration that I was previously familiar with, (using generated tones to create unusual perceptual effects) this instead actually lent to the listening experience feeling more natural.

@@roaldpage ahh, binaural beats 🙈 Yes there is much confusion with binaural audio as well, not just with the beats side of it, many manufacturers use the term ‘binaural’ incorrectly for stereo microphones. After a recent debate with someone I thought it would be better perhaps to call binaural microphone ’binaural capturing devices’ as then the association of microphones could then be separated, I think this term could be a far better description of what they are anyway, as that is exactly what they do 🤭 Many thanks for taking time out to experience this audio, I hope you manage to find some time to checkout what other binaural recordings I’ve done on my channel, volume levels are important or ‘perspective control’ as another customer explained it to me which is again another correct use of terms 👂

Mark isn’t part of the channel, his inclusion was to show off our SR3D ‘binaural capturing devices’, indeed he is quite talented and was 16 when he played this in the video. Mark does pop by now and then to check out any comments, so I’m sure he will see yours.

Sorry, the audio isn't stereo, it's binaural, which is completely different to any types of recordings made by conventional microphones.

Yes, plenty of noise, I’m sure you spotted the note on the video explaining what it was unless you skipped through it. Compression artefacts sound very much different to the hiss of escaping air, but it even got me when I first got back to the workshop as I though it was some kind of noise with the equipment too, but it’s just air escaping from the old leather seals. The church does have a fund for raising monies to repair it, it is a very expensive project.

There are snippets of audio from a zoom H1n from the pews, that also had a binaural microphone attached, I think that particular recorder is a very good value brand and has an easy menu and ease of use, the levels I set with my mics for all occasions - unless loud - are set to 5.5 on the dial. When I was stood in front of the pipes I didn’t notice any specific tubes being played either. If you’re making lots of recordings I highly recommend trying a true binaural microphone like the SR3D - www.sr3d.co.uk

I’ll pass on your comment to Mark

I hope he sticks with his own ideas of registration, not others. It will not doubt change as he gets older and gets influenced by orthodoxy. But I for one found the reeds invigorating and almost french baroque.

@@bobdeverell All a matter of appropriateness. Boëllman would have been cringing. PRIÈRE calls for delicate reeds if any, and even the Minuet is intended to be LIGHT - it's a rather prissy DANCE not a war march.. As for the Stanley the entire piece rests on the CONTRAST between the Trumpet solo which, given its already high register, shouldn't have too many upper harmonics added (or supplied by an over-aggresive 8' Trumpet stop) and the accompaniment parts should SUPPORT but not dominate the solo. An organ of that size has no excuse for not having the right stops for an authentic performance of almost any standard repertoire.

@@bobdeverell ««Just because I CAN doesn't mean I SHOULD!»»

L'absence de réverbération est due au tapis d'après ce qu'on m'a dit, pas à la technique d'enregistrement, l'audio n'a été modifié en aucune façon. The absence of reverb is due to the carpet from what I have been told, not due to the recording technique, the audio was not modified in any way.

@@sr3d-microphones cool merci

Mark, and his age, is mentioned at the end of the video, did you skip the ending?

@@sr3d-microphones-RecItal. lol

Recital?

I think it could be part of the issue, and the pews also had fabric on them, which could have added to it a little, the ceiling is wooden so not sure what effect that would have had.

The organist is named in the video, did you seen it after leaving your comment? I wonder what you thought of the binaural audio, if you wore headphones to listen? The Church is in Ormskirk, Lancashire, United Kingdom. More information about the church can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_St_Peter_and_St_Paul,_Ormskirk

The dummy head and other mics is the reason for the video, it’s more an audio thing than a video thing. The dummy head is a microphone as are the tube mics, and are specialised in collecting sounds in exactly how we hear things, so you should have been wearing headphones to tele-transport your ears to the church and would experience what it actually sounds like in there, if you close your eyes it maybe more convincing- it’s called binaural audio and is very special sound that makes things sound like they are external to ourselves as in real life.

Organs have multiple keyboards (manuals) because different sounds are needed at the same time when playing. There are quick ways to change stops, but more flexibility is needed than that. Each manual typically has different pipes associated with it. You can couple one keyboard to another usually. If I coupled Swell to Great, the swell pipes would play when I play the Great, but not vice versa. Basically each keyboard has different pipes and different sounds. Volume level was also a concern. Remember organs were made before modern electronics. It was not always possible to change the loudness of each pipe. Some were put in a box where doors could be opened and closed to adjust loudness level. If you pull out all the stops, the organs can get quite loud. Also, if you remember that organs don't have sustain pedals, you can see the pedals (not the keyboard for the feet but the ones just above thoae) would be used for other things. One pedal is often the crescendo pedal that automatically adds specific sounds or pipes as you change the position of the pedal. Another possible pedal use would be to open and close the swell box that makes some pipes louder and softer. So basically, you have several manuals used for different pipes or sounds. They can usually be coupled together in some ways, depending on the organ. You have the keyboard for the feet which also has its own pipes, and usually can have the swell or Great manual coupled to it. Then just above the keyboard pedals for the feet, you often have 2 or 3 pedals that look sort of like a sustain pedal but actually are the crescendo pedal or volume in some organs. The stops you pull out are different pipe sounds. The number written is the pipe length. The buttons in between the manuals are memory presets. You can make certain combinations of pipes active, then set those to memory. Often, there are also foot memory buttons too.

I think, it's mostly because of the tubular pneumatic actions. They are very noisy and even slower since thin lead pipes carry air to open the puffers under the pipes etc.

@@Organintetnational, I don’t know. That organ sounds very well maintained. There should not be any discernible hiss in the main area of the sanctuary while the organ is being played.

I was advised it would be an expense nightmare to stop any escaping air, although I think it simply adds some character- obviously the closer you are to the pipes the louder the air, and from the pew position it’s really not that noticeable. To be blunt, I thought I actually had an equipment error at first until I listened to the start where the organist started the blower! As I was with him and not by the pipes at the time. I’d love to go back and record what it sounds like in with all the pipes though!

@@supralapsarian I have been an organist for more than 15 years and have mostly played tubular pneumatic action. Trust me, no matter how much you maintain them, they fully operate on air. While tracker organs have mechanical trackers and electromagnetics have current for conducting key actions to the pipes, tubular pneumatics have led/tin pipes/tubes at high pressure for each key and each pipe which makes a lot of gushing sound. You press a key and air flows from a chest extension into the grand puffer board from where those puffers lift and make another flow of air to all the pipes of all divisions on each mannuals and pedals and keys. The pressured air keeps on locking in and releasing with each depression of keys. This also makes it the slowest conducting system in organ building. A tubular pneumatic action organ will have twice the amount of air running than other actions where air only runs in chests and underneath the pipes. Some such organs can produce air noises audible till entry doors of the churches. When I was in India, I used to play this tubular pneumatic action organ at Christ Church, Shimla (Governor General's Church), in-between and towards the end you'll hear a cipher and lots of air noise. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EM3mKpAFnm4.html

, I, too, am an organist, although I have a couple of decades on you. The applicable theories of organ design, construction, operation and maintenance are not unfamiliar to me. I certainly do not expect a breathing instrument to lack the sound of breath. But the dramatic change at the 9-minute mark is jarring. I’m with SR3D-microphones-had it been my recording I would have checking for an equipment fault. There’s breath, then there’s hiss. Probably, I am simply not grasping the location where that part of the recording was made. I would be curious how it varies throughout the space. All of this said, my compliments stand: The space, the instrument and the performance are all worthy of high marks. All of this does make the case for why recording engineers must carefully choose their spot well when planning a session! (I do that too!)

Quite a few people, including another organist from the same church, agrees with that statement

@@sr3d-microphones Thanks, and then I saw all that carpet and those pew cushions. As an organ builder for 35 years, I have seen so much of this. However, also seen where carpet is taken out for hard wood floors and that alone makes such a difference, especially for the choir!

シュー」というノイズはオルガンであり、録音に使用された機器ではありません。これはビデオの英語字幕で言及されています。最初は騙されましたが、実際にブロワーファンの空気が漏れていることに気付きました User commented: There is a hissing noise from the beginning. Recording equipment needs to be improved. My reply: The hissing noise is from the organ, not the equipment used to record it. This is mentioned in the video's English subtitles. I was fooled at first, but then I realized that the blower fan was actually leaking air

僕の知っているファンノイズとは異なっていたので　意見を述べました。オルガンによって違いがあるのですね。ありがとう

@@planartken 確かに、ファンではなくパイプだと言うべきでした。ひび割れたり壊れたりした革製の印鑑がたくさんあると説明を受けました。教会はそれを修復するための資金を集める継続的な基金を持っています。 Indeed, the pipes, rather than the fan, I should have said. It has been explained to me that there are many leather seals that are cracked and broken, the church has an ongoing fund to raise monies to have it restored.

I’m sure if you put your mind to it you would realise how the air is feed to the pipes. And what makes the sound terrible?

I don't know, but searching "Ormskirk Parish Church" I found this that could be interesting, there were other links to explore in Google - One of the timelines state: 1552: Inventory of King Edward VI mentions ‘Organ bought of the King’ in the link below. www.southportvisiter.co.uk/news/history/ormskirk-parish-church-in-pictures-9535607

It's definitely not a little church - and there is a member of royalty buried under the chapel floor (though I can't remember who...) The organ is an amalgamation of many previous instruments and rebuilds spanning hundreds of years - it wasn't bought all as one, and certainly not recently! The restoration fundraising is an ongoing process 😊

🖖 yes sir!