Ortofon 2M Black VS 2M Bronze - Should You Upgrade?

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Today we are reviewing the Ortofon 2m BLACK! How does is sound compared to the Ortofon 2M Blue? Or the 2m Bronze? Is it worth the money? And should you consider upgrading? I attempt to answer all of these questions and help out some fellow vinyl collectors! ‪@Ortofonofficial‬ Sent this along for review so thank them for this video!
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0:00 - Intro
1:29 - The 2M Black
1:49 - Quick Note about Clearance of Stylus
4:25 - What about the LVB250?
6:23 - Why I Considered upgrading
7:49 - New TT AT-LP7 & Adjusting the VTA
9:37 - Ortofon Clarifications
11:16 - Compared to 2m Bronze or 2M Blue?
14:43 - Final Conclusions
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@daniannaci3258 3 месяца назад

VTA or Vertical Tracking Angle. People needlessly stress over this. It’s important, but not as much as you think. First off, Ortofon cartridges are the most consistent in manufacture of all the cartridge brands. Secondly, after setting your tracking force (invest in a good $15 digital gauge), set the tonearm height so it’s dead nuts parallel to the record surface. With all Ortofon’s you’ve got it right. Remember, records have different thickness, your standard 120 gram pressing being thinner than your audiophile 180 gram pressing which is itself thinner than the ultra-mega super-duper 200 gram pressings. Am I going to readjust VTA with each pressing? Hell no! Michael Fremer won’t even do that. So choose the most common record thickness in your collection and set your VTA once. Thicker/thinner turntable mats are an easy way to set VTA if your tonearm is not easily adjustable.

@Love_Street 3 месяца назад

I have an acrylic mat on mine Thx for the info

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I def don’t re adjust for each record. I adjusted for a nice 180gram and keep it there and it’s fine for thicker or thinner vinyl. I agree that these carts are very consistent on most tables and tone arms. Thanks for watching!

@Wpjs2112 3 месяца назад

I had both. The Bronze was warm and mellow. The black was detailed and very revealing. Pick your way- both great

@ronmatthews1738 2 месяца назад

I realise this review is about Ortofon cartridges, but it would be a major mistake to put down $600+ for a 2M Black without listening to an Audio Technica VM540ML or VM740ML at half the price.

@dutchcoyote 3 месяца назад

Hi Rocco, Since September 2023 I also own the 2M Black Premounted and I must say I am also very satisfied with it and the contact I had with Ortofon was excellent, I ordered directly from them in Denmark. Best regards from the Netherlands.

@fts81 3 месяца назад

Great video, Rocco. Nice and clear explanation, amazing cart as well. Love it

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Thank you for the kind words!

@seeley363 4 месяца назад

Excellent video mate. Thanks for the effort.

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

Thanks for the comment! Really appreciate it!

@craigprescott6045 4 месяца назад

I'd recommend the 2M Black LVB 250 which is an upgrade on the 2M Black. It has a boron cantilever. I have the LVB 250 which I upgraded from the Bronze. It sounds awesome.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I know - I know - boron - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MtbdctQIqYw.htmlsi=4kVaD-EOEp9LBkcC&t=45

@inko123 3 месяца назад

😅@@PiecesofVinyl

@PrismApplied 4 месяца назад

THANK YOU for great information and getting to the point in a reasonable fashion. This is how it’s done.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Appreciate that!

@matbasterson520 3 месяца назад

Last year I bought a Music Hall Classic TT and opted for the Ortofon Blue, I previously had the Ortofon Red on my Pioneer. I was, and still am, blown away by the difference in sound quality. Thanks for this review, I am no expert, but I like what I hear. When it's time to upgrade I'll be looking at the Orotofon Black.

@PurpleDreki 3 месяца назад

I have the NAD C588. Brand new, with the 2M red. Sounds stellar in my rig! I am already contemplating upgrading to the 2M black. Nice seeing the ride height of the cartridge! Great video, sir!

@pizzaz6171 3 месяца назад

Would take the plunge on a premounted 2M Black but difficult to pull the trigger with that price tag during tough financial times. Good on you for creating great content and being rewarded for it. Keep up the content!

@thomas_n_OH 4 месяца назад

1st time viewer. Liked and subscribed. I bought a Music Hall mmf-5.3 with the 2M blue some years ago and was very happy with it. Upgraded to the bronze last year and thought it was a huge step up. I went with the bronze knowing I could swap out the stylus to black down the road. Good to know about the VTA warning. I’ll need to investigate if mine is adjustable. Thanks for the info!

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

awesome! Thanks for watching! Those Music Hall's are really nice!

@bobthompson5363 4 месяца назад

Watching your vids with joy here in the UK. Well done sir. Inspired and now thinking I need to try the upgrade path from my pre installed Pick Pro on my Project X1. Thinking I should go to Bronze first?

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

The bronze is very nice - I have a full review on that one too it's very revealing and I would imagine pairs great with the Project X1. Thanks for watching!

@daniannaci3258 3 месяца назад

One of the most informative cartridge reviews on RU-vid that I have seen. May I add something? Referring to the comparative photos of the different styli profiles in the groove you can see the elliptical stylus contacts a much smaller portion of the groove compared to the Shibata profile. The advantages are two fold: 1. A stylus, even at 1.5-2 grams tracking force in such a microscopic contact area exerts a pressure of many tons per square inch. The Shibata, with its much larger contact area than the elliptical (or spherical/conical) styli, spreads out this pressure resulting in much less groove deformation and record wear over time. 2. You can see in the same photograph that the Shibata tracks a different part of the groove than the elliptical. If the record exhibits wear from many previous playings with an elliptical stylus, the Shibata, and even the hyperelliptical, will track a fresh part of the groove resulting in a great improvement in sound with many of your worn records. Cheers!

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Wow. I did not know this at all regarding the new tracing of older records …but it makes sense. And it makes sense it would do less damage too thanks!

@dosstodd8014 3 месяца назад

I stretched my limits for the 2M Black after already having stretched for a Rega RP8. I was told by two different people at high end stereo shops that VTA adjustment was not needed because Ortofon had designed the 2M line to mate with the Rega tables. I would have to assume that’s true because the results are fantastic. I was a bit worried at first, but as the hours built up, the sound kept getting better and better and better! Fantastic cartridge!

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Yeah - even Ortofon stated to me that a lot of the modern turntables and tone arms and most likely just fine. It’s when you actually get a little more exotic that you might have issues or even with cheaper tables as well. But a lot of modern tone arms are within tolerance.

@fredthompson1279 4 месяца назад

Great review.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@drop_the_needle_records 3 месяца назад

Great video! I have the Bronze and love it but will consider the Black when I need an upgrade.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

The bronze is awesome. 😎

@philbert9117 4 месяца назад

This is a really fantastic review, Rocco. I've got a Fluance RT-85 with a 2M Blue now. I've been saving up for a 2M Bronze since I watched your review on it last year. In the meantime, I've been wondering a lot about the 2M Black, and thinking that maybe I should skip the Bronze and go directly to the Black. So I very much appreciate the info in your review about probably needing a different TT due to the Black requiring a precise tracking angle adjustment. I also had no idea that Ortofon's customer service had such great advisors. So now I'm eagerly awaiting your review of your Audio Technica LP7:-) Thanks, and keep up the great work!

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much! Yeah the ATLP7 has been a lot of fun. But I still have RT85 I am deciding what to do with it. I really love that table. Ortofon def. Has some great customer service in my experience.

@RJ-eg2nx 3 месяца назад

I am so glad that I watched this video before rushing into purchasing the 2M bronze as I have the RT 85 and as you mentioned I would need the proper tone arm that can adjust the angle for the stylus. So, I will hold off and perhaps purchase another table that has the ability to handle the moving stylus'. Thank you again for your very informative videos!

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

The 2M Bronze did work well with my RT85, going up to the 2M black might require a different TT since it requires a little more fine tuning. Thanks for watching!

@ottschi63 2 месяца назад

Mount the "2M Black" and save money! I sell my "2M Silver and 2M Blue" (both are like NEW).

@surf01er66 3 месяца назад

I had an OM 30 that rode very low, I could swear it was touching the vinyl. Sound quality was great. But it bothered me so I upgraded to the bronze. Never looked back.....Great review

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

yeah - its a little freaky - I have gotten used to it - I am so afraid when wiping the stylus off sometimes though.

@Ricky-cl5bu 4 месяца назад

Class review

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

Thank you!🙏

@FrogmanXL47 3 месяца назад

Looking forward to your review of the AT LP7. It looks gorgeous! Would be interested to know if you compared the built in phono stage to your iFi and what you thought of it.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Working on it!

@RequiemsArchitect 4 месяца назад

Great video Rocco! I've been thinking about getting an Ortofon cartridge but ended up saying "i'll just save up for a new turntable", even though I got one for birthday last year but it was a beginner Crosley C-100, but was aiming for the Fluance RT-85 with the 2M Blue.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

.....I am actually looking to sell my Fluance RT85 w/ OMBlue - are you interested??

@RequiemsArchitect 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl I definitely could be!

@backfreedom8232 2 месяца назад

don't throw out that Crosley! with a little ingenuity it would make a good record cleaning table, with the addition of a mini shop vac

@curtdiesner4667 3 месяца назад

Great video. Thank you. Ortofon tech support has gotten back to me on a couple of questions within a day or two. On an older Sota turntable, I went from a Red to a Blue and the differences were not subtle. I have now moved up to a Pro-Ject TT that came with a 2M silver, which is decribed as an OEM cart with a stlus from a Red with silver coated coils like the Bronze on up. When I switched the stylus from the Silver to the Blue stylus the difference in bass, staging, clarity and air were very noticeable. I did contact Ortofon about using the Bronze stylus in the Silver body. Their answer is that I can, but will not get the full benefit of a Bronze... Not sure why that would be, same Hoplex body and silver coils. I' m going to give it a try..

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

The cool thing is you can try and see and if yon don’t like it continue with entire cartridge! Good luck!

@QoraxAudio 4 месяца назад

This one is nice and I have one in my collection for about 6 years now... But once you get into LOMC, you'll quickly find out there's much, so much more to explore.

@austinlibby7025 3 месяца назад

I don’t know how many of you are in your files are going to hear my comment, but I am a proud owner of the LV 250 and I’ve spoken to many people that spent the money on the movie magnet by order fine, and with a boron Celer leverand the Shabab bought a stylus. It is a terrific sounding cartridge. I’m not a reviewer, but I can tell you it sounds great.

@seandurham4864 26 дней назад

Awesome video! I’m fairly new to the whole vinyl world and am still looking at what player I want to start with. I’m pretty strict when it comes to my electronics and never really buy “entry” so to speak and the fact you said the Fluance isn’t and I have to agree with the price for the RT85. I’ve been looking at those and recently I’ve been hearing alot of people in forums and whatnot talking about the Project Carbon Debut/Evo. What are your thoughts on those players? That’s kind of where I am at with the price range. Also, you got a new subscriber, thanks!

@PiecesofVinyl 21 день назад

Thanks for watching! Check out my most recent video - might apply to your situation!

@LyndonSoulGroove 3 месяца назад

over 4 years ago I upgraded to 2M black, and after some fine tuning with height & azimuth etc, I've found i enjoy records I did not enjoy before, some surface noise does not not detract from the fab sound stage, even compilation lp's sound the best i've heard before, even k-tel type. Mono records sound fab too ! , had stylus since Nov 2019, not changed stylus yet !

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

That’s good to hear about how long you have had it.

@simonkenny8924 3 месяца назад

Nice video I came across by accident thumbs up and I be watching your channel

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

thanks for watching!

@Lee.Higginbotham 3 месяца назад

I have the 2m bronze with the idea I might upgrade to the black. The bronze sounds great on my technics 1200GR.

@spda242 4 месяца назад

Very interesting, have a 2M Blue today on my Technics SL-1500C and i am considering getting a new cartridge

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

This is a good option!

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 месяца назад

How's your 1500c, are you loving it?

@spda242 3 месяца назад

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I am happy with it, a huge update from the Denon I Think 300f which was my first modern TT. I had it since SL-1500C was released so I want to see if I can improve it. Did choose between it and a similar priced Rega back when I bought it.

@Akstergrind 4 месяца назад

That is SO weird! I have JUST been dealing with a clearance issue, only with the 2M Blue, which was actually dragging on the vinyl! I worked out that I had the weight set WAY too heavy, so it was all my own fault! Coincidence though!

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

Yeah they don’t need a lot of weight. 1.5 should be plenty.

@samsquanch67 3 месяца назад

My first impressions of this cart were exactly what you said, not as bright as the bronz and more detailed, I have the blue & bronz the black is defiantly an upgrade I have it on my new technics 1210 GR…at first wasn’t sure if it was the table or the cart that I was hearing the improved difference but after a month with it I’m enjoying it and re spinning alot of my stuff just to hear the differences!

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I have some opinions on the table itself vs. the cartridge - stay tuned!

@martinpayne994 2 месяца назад

Your comment about breaking in the stylus without the turntable rotating was a revelation to me. So I wondered how this could really work?. So I tried it out! I found that it didn't work for me as i thought, as just the stylus on the the vinyl without any vibrations to me just couldn't work! Enter the wife, with her vibrator. Sorted! Her vibrator was confiscated and two days later and two sets of AA batteries later i had an amazing sounding my 2m black. However, whilst ive been busy and unbeknown to me our neibour Leroy, is also breaking in his 2cM black, and now it seems that my turntable is much better appealing on his system than mine! I'm happy with my sound, and Leroy is happy with her sounds!!!!

@PiecesofVinyl 2 месяца назад

Awesome!

@Spock105 3 месяца назад

MC Audio Technica AT33ev pretty happy with.

@booieaguilar4792 4 месяца назад

I'm gonna have to check but I'm curious to know if it's compatible with my audio technica at-lp5x. Now I'm not looking to buy this now, but it would be something maybe down the road to splurge on. And I'm with you brotha man, collecting the music is where it's at. I see that Sinseers in the back lol. I can't wait for your video on it. Their cover is a paying homage to Thee Midniters on Whittier blvd record. Much love brotha man, always a great day when a new video drops from you

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

I didn’t know about that cover. Is there a thing with all these groups using Thee - ?

@booieaguilar4792 4 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl now that is a hell of a question. . . I've never thought about it. I'd like to know that also. I love little questions like these man lol, they always make for interesting conversations.

@colinmaynard2879 3 месяца назад

The lp5x is a P mount isn’t it? Ortofon makes the 2M in P mount versions.

@Casualfulltime 3 месяца назад

Nice review. Your stylus needs a clean FYI 😄

@thomosburn8740 3 месяца назад

I've been collecting records and electronics since 1979, and this cartridge is the biggest single-purchase upgrade I've ever given to my system (which is made up of Rega, McIntosh, Magnepan, Vandersteen, and HifiMan gear, so that says a lot)..

@1999zrx1100 4 месяца назад

I have a pretty resolving system and found the Bronze way too harsh on my set up. It sounded more digital then anything I ever had before. Now maybe with a lower budget system the Bronze or Black would loose that edge that would want me to stop listening to albums within an hour or two. I’ve gone to the Wood Body Grado’s and have never looked back. 😎

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I have seen those wooden cartridge - what is the advantage to wood? and does it swell or contract?

@daniannaci3258 3 месяца назад

Yes, the Grado cartridges definitely have a dark, lush, romantic sound.

@1999zrx1100 3 месяца назад

No movement at all, very well sealed, some say wood is a better insulator for the moving iron mechanism inside. Some turntables don’t like Moving Iron cartridges. ie. old Thorens. Thanks.

@garyausten5939 4 месяца назад

If I only made one change to my vinyl system. keeping my turntable (P2), would it be better to upgrade the cart (AT-VM540ML) or the preamp (Rega Fono MK v)?

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

I would say the cartridge. It touches the record. In a source person. So it all starts there.

@davidfranklin4534 2 месяца назад

I found it outstanding. But I had to put a 2mm spacer to achieve the right VTA for my rega P6.

@PiecesofVinyl 2 месяца назад

I have hear of those spacers for regas. Nice they even have the option.

@Bondrkmz 4 месяца назад

I’m a 2m Bronze user with the U-Turn Theory. Was told that the Black could be an upgrade someday but it does not have the VTA option. I hope to get a few good years before needing to upgrade. I’ll for sure need to look into the compatibility issues then.

@AnchorTH 4 месяца назад

U-Turn customer service is amazing, I'm sure they will be great help when you go that route.

@Bondrkmz 4 месяца назад

@@AnchorTH agree, they were great when I had questions during the purchase.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

there are ways you can handle the adjustment with either a different mat or (in some tables like Regas) they have shims that can under the tone arm.

@Bondrkmz 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl thank you.

@daniannaci3258 3 месяца назад

Long time Ortofon dealer here. The geometry of Ortofon cartridges within the same series, 2M in this case, is pretty much identical. If your turntable came properly set up for the 2M Bronze, then the Black should be AOK. It’s just a stylus swap.

@quikspecv4d 4 месяца назад

I recently purchased a 2M Black to replace my Bronze because I’m pretty sure my Bronze will start to show wear soon. It’s still sounding amazing though. I am wondering if my system will take advantage of the Black or if the Bronze is pretty much my systems limit. If the difference between the two isn’t apparent or substantial I may go back to Bronze down the road. My theory is that you don’t really know the limits of your system unless you step over it a bit sometimes.

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

I agree. But try it out and see - I didn’t think I would notice a big difference - but I was wrong. And it probably continues - LVB250!!

@quikspecv4d 4 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl LVB250!!! That’s more than my wallet will allow. lol. And I doubt my 900 subs is enough for Ortofon to want to send me one for review. Haha

@vinylreckoning 4 месяца назад

But…BUT I just upgraded to the bronze. Selling me on an upgrade again! 😂 great review, this is for sure the next step eventually. Also I was worried about the low riding nature of the bronze.

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

It freaked me out when I opened it. I was convinced it was damaged. I was also convinced I damaged my blue. It is very low! Your setup is sweet - I love that platter on the table.

@vinylreckoning 4 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl loving the X2…paired with the bronze it’s so nice.

@RogerBergqvist 4 месяца назад

If I understand your video correctly, 2M blue, bronze and black sound different in the nature of the sound.. Maybe it's that the different colors are made for different types of music... Bronze maybe for techno for example. Of course, if a product becomes more expensive, something in it should also become better. At least to a certain extent. I have a REGA Planar 2 with a 2M blue and I am super happy.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

They both handle most genres well - I haven't really found any specific style that I wanted to get a different cartridge for - that said - I have never listened to a mono on a mono cartridge.....so that might be a future video !

@theredon2 4 месяца назад

In my experience the black is good but for me the sweet spot is the bronze the black has is a problem with a really bad records. I am more into MC. I haven’t try the LVB. Good video!

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

Thanks! I agree and I have heard similar issues. The bronze is amazing as well!

@chrislj2890 4 месяца назад

The Ortofon 2MR line might be a better choice for some people whose turntable doesn't have VTA adjustment as they have a lower profile. It wasn't clear to me whether they sent this to you for review and return or to keep. I would assume that you liked it so much you would have purchased it if they wanted it returned.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

YES - I actually totally forgot to mention the other TYPES of cartridges they have - the under mount ones and I didnt think about this helping with the VTA - they sent it to me for review - I am hoping they let me keep it, but if they don't - I am def. buying it - because I love the way it sounds and even looks with my current setup.

@chrislj2890 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl Awesome!

@jonathanergueta Месяц назад

Does The 2m blk play well on the old mono Records?

@PiecesofVinyl Месяц назад

it seems to on the ones I have - I have some new Mono records and it sounds good to me. It's probably not as good as having a dedicated Mono cart - but that can get a little crazy.

@Love_Street 3 месяца назад

779 dollars for that at t table lab. I’m thinking about it. I thought it’d be more. I have the bronze on my technics sl 1210 now . Adjusting the level kind scares me though

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I hear you with making adjustments. You can always move it back or just try it without adjusting and see if it sounds good.

@andrewhaines3259 3 месяца назад

Wow. The low clearance on that would relegate a lot of modern records to the bin, as warped disc just wouldn't be playable! Glad I've got plenty of space on my OM10 stylus.

@madcrabber1113 3 месяца назад

I am 57 yrs old and stopped fooling with turntables and vinyl back in the late 80's in favor of cd's. Thankfully I kept all of my albums and equipment. I had no idea about vta, tracking etc. I just put a record on the table and played it. I have since bought a vta adjustable turntable but have not upgraded the cartridge so have not had to adjust anything and am half scared to even do it.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I hear that - especially if you already happy with your sound - no sense in messing with it. but - you can always adjust it back. But I always get worried about making any adjustments!

@ummagumma7826 4 месяца назад

Upgraded to a Bronze a year ago and biggest difference was the sibilance was gone in some of my records, such as Metallica the Black album. Crisper sound, more clarity

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Clarity and Detail is the main trait of all of these 2M's in my experience. I got all of those Metallica Walmart editions (well - the first five albums) - they are really nice!

@1983mhc 3 месяца назад

I had all of them at some point. For me the winner in series is Bronze, but that's just me. And it is not even that you need double the money. For my ears Bronze sounds best with my setup.

@jenshoefer7944 3 месяца назад

Same, if i would have to choose from that ortofon series, it would be bronze. Can be simply explained. I prefer usually the sound profile of ATs and the Bronze, unlike the rest of that series, seems to matching that AT sound profile 🤷‍♂️. That's why i am usually suspicious when someone recommends an upgrade from bronze to black. Blue to black, yes. But the bronze is somewhat the "outsider" in the 2M series

@drunkenhearted7256 3 месяца назад

I have both, and I highly recommend for everyone, but the staunchest audiophile go with the bonze.

@adamlitchfield3371 3 месяца назад

Why is that mate? I'm considering one of these today (60's/70's/90's indie, rock and alt-rock mainly...)

@johnh5896 3 месяца назад

I had a mc Rondo Blue it was fantastic but kids broke cantilever in a week Ortofon said too bad .So I went to Sumiko Evo 3 ho

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

No!

@NickP333 4 месяца назад

Why the F was my comment taken down by the RU-vid police? Damn…. I sent you a few messages, Rocco. 👍🔊😊🎶

@analoguecity3454 4 месяца назад

Im having enough trouble saving money for a ortiphon blue replacement stylus, damn amenities! If it wasn't for heat, rent , electricity, and food, I'd be good! 😅

@analoguecity3454 4 месяца назад

Great video by the way! 🎉🎉🎉

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

Electricity is important - record player can’t play otherwise.

@analoguecity3454 4 месяца назад

Tuce' 😂 @@PiecesofVinyl

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 месяца назад

Buy some Bitcoin, in 6 to 12 months you'll have enough for a whole new system

@alrightnow1124 3 месяца назад

Can you do Quintet MC Bronze

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I would love to. Have tried any MC carts yet.

@rogerturner1881 4 месяца назад

i have a BLUE on my Technics SL 1300 it's ok and sounds very great but what the black does as i listen to Nostalgia [Rock'n' roll] Connie Francis. Most of my collection is ex++ to mint.Which would you favor..

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

I would def go with the black on the technics. You can get a lot of its greatness dialed in and a lot people have had a lot of fun with that exact setup.

@rogerturner1881 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl What will i hear differently with my Connie Francis collection.? than the BLUE. I have mono vinyl too..

@Peoria19581 3 месяца назад

👍

@BughunterX 28 дней назад

I rather get a Jico SAS for my Sony Xl45, peole say it it has sound like the Black but better

@jasonarsenault3791 3 месяца назад

Great job man. Need to consider an upgrade at some point. You had me at bronze… now you have me at black 😂. Your influencer skills are increasing rapidly ha.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Well - that is not my intention - only to keep making videos and sharing stuff - all of these - the Blue, Bronze or Black are all amazing I was very happy with each one. Thanks for watching!

@jasonarsenault3791 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl I went from red to blue. Can’t wait for the next level

@paulrogers7067 22 дня назад

Tracking angle not important ask any rega owner

@stevetech5150 4 месяца назад

hmm, my 2M Blue doesn't ride anywhere near that low. good stuff.

@quikspecv4d 4 месяца назад

I noticed with my old 2M Blue and current Bronze it depends on the record. I have some One-Step albums that must have deeper grooves because they ride lower. Especially the Craft Recordings Black Orpheus one-step.

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

That’s funny I have noticed the same thing.

@obtainiumgaming4472 3 месяца назад

They give it to you free or you sent back?

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I have not sent it back yet - I hope they let me keep it! If not - at least a discounted price!

@jedi-mic 3 месяца назад

I think there's a bit of BS going on there from them, it's got nothing to do with suspension its do with the molding probably made a mistake, you could cut the plastic away I suppose. be nice to get one of them and put it in a wooden body, has anybody's done it with this cartridge? What you mean you can't change the tracking angle vta why would you anyway need to on this cartridge? it's the same size isn't it as the blue there's no difference in height you wouldn't need to if they're the same size. You can change vta rake back if you put sheets of newspaper under the mat, and should do anyway for fine tuning, the other ways to get a little bit thinner mat and maybe 4 mm and ues some newspaper to get it right as well if you want it raking forward, I don't know what this table comes with mat looks about 5 mm best to go for a 3 mm and just pack it with newspaper then you're not limited. Just place the newspaper on top first not under the mat till it sounds right and then put it underneath.

@teamsix7185 3 месяца назад

Just some info for the viewers. Ortofon has a compatiblity list of turntable/cartridge in a drop down menu tool. The FLUANCE series ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE 2M Black. Fluance is not compatible with the 2M BRONZE either. Many have installed the 2M black and report great results. However without the VTA adjustments.... there is either distortion, record premature wear or stylus premature wear. The tonearms of the Fluance, Audio Technica and even Uturn... DO NOT SUPPORT THE 2M Black. REGA turntables however DO support the 2M Bronze and 2M Black. I wish this was more known.... as I bought from RU-vidrs claiming the 2M black would work with these turntables.... when in fact that is not the case. I have a Fluance that I may return for this very reason. As well an Audio Technica. Ortofon will confirm... as will Fluance. You will notice Fluance has removed the 2M black from all mention on their websites now. I wish there was not so much misinformation out there on this. This is the best review I've seen on RU-vid regarding this. Excellent video.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I actually spoke with Ortofon specifically about my AT-LP7 and the fact that it wasn’t listed on their pdf for compatible tone arms with the 2M Black and the product specialist stated “the list needs to be updated not all turntables listed are correctly listed.” He assured me as did the very folks @justaudio where I got the table the ATLP7 can indeed handle the shibata 2M black. The fluance - as I stated in this review and my previous one about the bronze - can not adjust the VTA but the bronze isn’t as clinical with its fine line vs the shibata and the RT85 is dialed in for the VTA of the blue - which is the same as the bronze. I would not recommend- nor did Ortofon - to use the Black with the RT85 - but the ATLP7 is fantastic. Thanks for the comment!

@teamsix7185 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl Thanks very much for more insight on this! I am hopeful the 2M Bronze will perform fine on the Fluance, If not..... I will be kicking myself for not getting the AT-LP7.

@AnalogMan082 Месяц назад

I’ve had a PNP Bronze on an RT-85 for over a year, zero issues. Only needed a VTF adjustment. The first thing that stood out to me was the smooth detailed bass sound. Then I got a vacuum record cleaner. It’s like I had two upgrades in a row. Do not underestimate the sound difference of a clean record. It’s as significant as a new cartridge. You will want to clean everything and listen all over again.

@teamsix7185 15 дней назад

@@AnalogMan082 Thats the thing... Fluance cannot have a VTA adjustment... that's why they say its not compatible.

@AnalogMan082 15 дней назад

@@teamsix7185 You meant VTA of course. Fluance should find a way to add VTA adjustment to the tonearm. That would up the value of the RT-85 turntable for many. I’m leaving the Bronze on mine, it’s not doing any damage. I will add the Black to my Vintage Sansui SR-929 since it has VTA adjustment. But first I will try it on the RT-85 just for grins. I’m of the opinion as long as it’s in the sweet spot in terms of VTA it’s golden. As others have commented they don’t readjust VTA for 200g records which are much thicker or maybe a different turntable mat. All of which are changing the VTA. Audiophiles sometimes get lost in the technicalities and forget how to use their ears.

@PerthSoftware 3 месяца назад

Most of my vinyl in from 1960's and 70's. Mostyly bad pressings. I have the Bronze and OM20. As I don't buy new LPs, I wont be upgrading!

@bornodnoc1034 4 месяца назад

Dude you broke me. Are you playing that setup through a Douk amp?

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

I am - and it sounds really good. that said - what should I be using? that also said - I do also have a balanced headphone amp and headphones coming out of the iFi Zen Phono stage - so I can completely bypass the speakers and Douk Amp for a good A/B - but I am curious what integrated amp you would recommend - I am eventually going to upgrade.

@bornodnoc1034 3 месяца назад

@@PiecesofVinyl I reckon a bit of vintage solid state action. Pioneer or Sansui. Plenty of options. I run an Aiyima T9 pro for bluetooth in my setup but the vinyl goes through a 1974 Japanese amp & it defs adds depth to the sound. Not much money involved either.

@ericjensen9091 4 месяца назад

The flagship? Are you sure?

@PiecesofVinyl 4 месяца назад

That’s what they say - ortofon.com/products/2m-black?_pos=1&_psq=2m+bla&_ss=e&_v=1.0

@mrshoning 3 месяца назад

In other words, never play anything other than a perfectly flat record with your Ortofon carts 🙄

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

well - I would try not to play any warped on any cartridges - that said, I have some that aren't too bad and it seems to handle them ok.

@russellewandowski843 4 месяца назад

It's actually pronounced Or-Tow-Phone. Accent on the Phone.

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

Of course it is!

@theslasherhouse 3 месяца назад

Tsunami. Pronounced, tsɯnami

@metaljoe9088 3 месяца назад

The nagaoka mp200 will blow that out of the water. I thought the 2m black was great until i hear the mp200. Man it levelled the competiton. Sold my 2m black the day i heard the mp200

@DavidMander-rs4uk 4 месяца назад

No!! You should upgrade to a CD player 😆👍

@PiecesofVinyl 3 месяца назад

These cartridges don't track well on CDs though.

@anthonypuopolo4586 3 месяца назад

The bronze isnt worth upgrading to from the blue. Overpriced hype.

@NackDSP 2 месяца назад

Useless! Zero measurements. Get a test record and measure the distortion and compare two carts. Talk talk talk is useless. So many videos with zero truly useful information. Just a bunch of influencer wanna be

@PiecesofVinyl 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching and commenting!