Ortofon Concorde Mk2 Range: Which to Buy? | Bop DJ 

Glad you think so!

My pleasure!

My pleasure!

Yea, it's harsh, it also eats your vinyl up super fast.

@@klubstompers M44-7 is low wearing

@@moket123 So they claim, but they tear your vinyl to shreds when you back track, and cut a wide groove. The vinyl i bought during the time i used M44-7's, my vinyl from 2002-2003 is in way worse condition than all my other vinyl. They scratch better than most needles, track amazing, and sound phenomenal, but your vinyl pays the price. Especially white labels, colored vinyl, or picture discs, which have a softer vinyl. This is due to it's wider than average stylus cutting a wide groove, so when you play your vinyl with a average width stylus, you loose some frequencies, due to the stylus not making contact with the wide groove cut by the M44-7. When you couple this with their heavier than average recommended tracking force range of 1.5-3 grams, a spherical instead of elliptical tip, things get ate up.

@@klubstompers interesting. What would you recommend instead? Also 1.5-3g is fairly low for a DJ cart e.g. most Ortofons have recommended tracking at 4g

@@moket123 For regular mixing, I like to run Ortofon Pro S on concorde carts at 2 grams, tracking at the first line between 0-1, on MK2 Techs. Decks need to be level for tracking numbers to mean much. If scratching and i am popping out, which usually only happens with new vinyl that hasn't seen these carts on em much, ill up the weight or adjust the tracking depending on why i am jumping out of the groove, but letting the record play a few times, and back cueing the area a few times, is usually better than trying to adjust weight or tracking for me. Every needle is going to cut a seat for the tip to ride in over time. With less weight, i have found, you are less likely to cut threw the groove if you do jump out, and permanently scratch the record. I have been mixing for over 20 years, but i am by no means an expert when it comes to scratching, this is just what works for me, and allows me to play records hundreds of times and still have them sound clean and powerful even in the areas where i scratch.

you would think with the scratch having highest output, putting a club styli on there is a good bet, but there are other specs that come into play, when you get the instructions it tells you more like channel separation and channel balance , in my manual for the club carts it says 25db at 1khz for the scratch it says 22db at 1khz. so somehow the club is outputting more in certain areas despite having less output.

Hi! Are you happy with the Club for ripping vinyl? I bought the Club specifically for that purpose, but all my rips had distortion on the low end

Club

This should be an add for Ortofon! 😂

@@BopDJstore right lol my 98Civic may have crush the box, but those concord were whole and lasted 8yrs and many tips later before I jumped on the Qberts. The crush velvety box gave it character in my book lol

What'd you get? Happy with it?

Come on...what did you buy and what would you recommend please?

What did you get ???

I hate to muddy the waters here you know I do, I am a proud owner of the club mk2 carts and I can confirm the one of the carts does drop out only giving me sound on the left channel, I do have to take it out and lick terminals even though I have a can of servisol spray.. But guess what? I have the same problem with my headshell Stanton 500's aswell! It's only sometimes not allways, it has more to do with humidity in the air that affects the tonearm, that's why you need good shielding it's all so another reason I took the piss out my mate for selling he's technics and buying the pioneer because if you think you get problems with technics tonearm's your in for a world of pain when it comes to pioneer decks because the shielding is not even close. It's just humidity!

@@WingmanLive bought mk7 technics has same issues. Cuts out on left side fixed it by holding tight left when putting cartridge on. Had same issue with audio technica cartridge which I rate highly for sound.

All carts do this. It is mostly due to people who remove their carts a lot, like club decks, or someone who over tightened the cart. The tone arm piece that spins around and grabs the alignment pins on the cart, gets wore down, so it doesn't draw the cart all the way into the arm to make a proper contact. You need to replace what is called a "Tonearm Headshell Socket Connector", and you have to rewire the arm and solder it to the board or just cut the wires off the old socket, and solder a new socket to the old wires.

Awww man I just saw this comment and I already ordered the Scratch and I was going to order the OM Pro S. Maybe I should return the scratch and get the OM series for my Technics 1200s. Thanks

Which Audio technica cartridge and stylus do u recommend?

They will fit.

It's not a good idea according to other reviews

@@thomasgrobner1567 you used to with the old models..

Dodd Rivers in my experience, I observed the gain characteristics of the cartridge with the tracking characteristics of the different stylus.

2 years on and still nothing comes close

You'll get the same weight on the groove, but on a slighlty bigger surface, then less grams per mm2, then less wear on the groove. Just apply 3g for mixing, 2g for listening and your records will be fine

@@lucasmuller2815It’s still confusing marketing as these are all ‘DJ’ cartridges. Back cueing is part of any form of mixing, isn’t it. Sure, it may turn into more of a scratch in hip hop DJing but even so…

get the scratch ^^ i just got it and it tracks perfectly on DVS

I just bought the Scratch 🤩

@@vsd1988yes. To be honest, I’ve never had an issue with DVS and any ‘good’ stylus properly set up. I mostly use Rekordbox. 4:00

well, that could also be due to the mixer that you're using.

@@AmbientWanderer actually there’s no mixer involved. I rip my records from a Technics SL1200 with a DJ S needle, through a Radiant J33 Phono Preamp into a Roland DuoCapture sound card. The result is a super clean, dynamic digital copy, but when compared to the same track bought from a digital store there’s some low end missing. In the meantime I’ve tried the Ortofon MKII Club, but with that one the low end is distorted.

@@Niles7787 oh okay, well I was doing a test today between two of my Concorde carts. One is the Mixx mk2 and the other is a DJ-E mk1 which has an elliptical stylus. I recorded both tracks with each cart through my Allen and Heath Xone mixer, and I noticed right away that the elliptical stylus had quite a bit more low end and better stereo separation. I don't know why you're getting distortion in the low end with the club mk2s. Could it possibly be that they're defective?

It could be, I’d need to check with another MKII Club. For DJ purposes I use a Xone96 and when used there it sounded fine, so I didn’t think it could be defective. But it’s worth a try; thanks for the feedback

Even Ortofon say both..

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Each head shell has been specifically made for the stylus, you could mix the stylus' up but the head shell may not be suited to transmit the audio at the same level.

Yes

yes, but it will sound shit, don't do it. why not just get anything OTHER than the digital one?? You don't NEED this 'digital' cart for DVS. And it will make your regular vinyl sound poop with its 1-2kHz mid range boost. Avoid at all costs. DVS does not 'dvs brand' cartridge.

I own the old Serato 120 which worked fine for both.

It sends a signal that the DVS system can hear better. That said, I find DVS works fine with any half-decent stylus.

Yes they will!

I do, the needle has never skipped.

I understand that the Club has better sound. This catirges are for Djs consoles and prepare to use it as Dj reproduction. If you want only listening you can choose the Ortofon M2 series. Ortofon M2 Bronze, is very good but also very expensive. This M2 has more quality in sound. Be awere that are for audiofilos and it sounds more flat.

The Mix is alright. I dont think you can hear the difference with the Club. I think a better styles is needed the most whn you interact a lot with your records (DJ’ing, scratching, queing) IMO

Any needle except digital would be fine, some will give you more output/volume/punch. If you want the stylus with the best sound id get the club, it is going to have the cleanest and loudest sound.

how did it go? I'm planning on getting the MK2 DJ (orange & blue one)

It can only damage your records if you are scratching. For reproduction and back queuing it does not harm the records.

The CLUB is aimed more at the house/techno crowd.

@@vaggelisioannidis4636 It does because it is eliptical. Spehiral does less damage. Cheers.

@@urosjevtic401 it is argued that spherical does more damage because it has two pressure points on the sides where the spherical touches. The elliptical sits solidly in the groove and distributes the pressure evenly. It is true that elliptical does damage if you play it backwards (backcue/scratch). But I have never seen proof of elliptical causing more wear with regular playback. I believe that playing elliptical styli backwards damages the stylus.

@@Ninja_Gaijin no dissrespect, but practice showed.

Ortofon Concorde digital (red) it's perfec for vinyl time code

okay thank you nice so i can mix by vinyl normal too ?

Hello dear friend, the advantage of the digital ortofon (red with white) is that you can use it for time code and normal vinyl without affecting either of the two types of vinyles, (something that could not be done with the concorde s-120 ( for time code Serato), although they told you that if you could use them with normal vinyl, they did not recommend it). On the other hand, I recommend that when you buy needles, you pay attention to the output voltage since the higher the sound, the stronger the sound, you can better control the sharpness, and do not increase the gain of your mix so both gives you more clear, clean and defined the sound

the sound voltage says "output" (for example 8mv) I recommend 8mv onwards, if you listen to a night club (8mv) and a scrach (10mv) (the mixing console with the same gain) you will notice that the scrach sounds more strong, but with more distortion, so you will have to lower the gain little by little and you will not that it sounds sharper and more defined but with force, I recommend that when adjusting your gain, in the mixer the db does not exceed 8db

hello,for me is difficult to choose because my shure m44 is so good. so better to buy digital or club i would like nice sound like shure and strong

do you do allot of scratching? Also note, the stylii themselves are interchangeable and can be purchased on their own, so you could buy one complete and other stylii for other purposes.

@@andinbriwel1092 so youre saying if i bought club needles in a digital cart it would sound way better ?

Detroit Trickster I don’t know about “way better,” but the club stylus tip will fit on the digital cart. I don’t own the digitals, so I can’t say first hand, but they are supposed to sound pretty great on their own. I have the blue concorde DJ carts and the white scratch and a club stylus. If I’m ripping records into the computer I’ll put the club stylus on the DJ cart and get a bit of improvement in detail, but even the DJ’s sound really good on their own.

@@andinbriwel1092 thx bro um I dont like how the reds sound on reg vinyl .what do you think of the blues on their own for normal records?

Detroit Trickster I have them and I really like them. Their sound is a very good overall balance, fast response and still good detail. Great bass response as well. The clubs are just a tiny bit more detailed in the higher frequencies, but really, you’re only going to notice that on mint vinyl that’s mastered super well. I like the sound of the blue ones and thats what lives on my turntables almost all the time.

Yes, I, would choose the Club, I do a lot of scratching, so I have a limited edition one from Ortofon called Made From Scratch, but recently I have also added two CDJs to my set up, so I'm looking to get one club to do vinyl transfers to digital files for my CDJs. Also since it sounds like you only will need one, I would pay the extra for the better-sounding cLub needle over one of the others.

Or the Concorde DJs

Sorry my bad they discontinued the dj series

@@laurieso678 I still have my DJs set from almost 20 years ago, It's one of my all-time favorite needles!

Get the scratch.

@@ChrisBrideauMedia Got the Mix's. Happy with them.

@@BeersAndBeatsPDX That's what I just ordered as well. I hear they're great for the money. I ordered the scratch but they had none left. Mix was my second choice.

@@ChrisBrideauMedia I just do basic mixing, no scratching or juggling, so for the price they are perfect for me. A little quiet with dvs but that's what the gain knob is for.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B6n2SG6CTVI.html there are jico replacements for the m447

really?!

@@fargoththemoonsugarmaniac i dont know, i never found the answer. all i know is each series or line of stylus's can be interchanged and will function. i would like to know what is different in the cartridges though. i dont have the ability to do my own tests to see if there is a difference in sound or stability ect..

@@greg361 Output signal quality comes from the cart. There are magnets and coils in there that turn the physical movement of the needle into an electrical signal. Cheaper magnets/coils will sound shit no matter what needle you put in it.

yea this is exactly what i been thinking but id like to have decent needles as a backup get the true feel of turntables

Ben Ninja Gaijin the Qbert does track well. Though the highs are slightly on the brittle side, to me. All depends on what you’re ultimately after.

I just ordered a OM Qbert as well. Looking forward to playing it