'Oumuamua Is at the Heart of an Ongoing Battle Raging Within the Scientific Community... Again 

excellent books, also could be dropping off alien anthropologists to do a study of us, did any notice the pickup UFO sighting a little later. 🤭

I started reading the second one.

An interesting question to be posed about security on interstellar voyages, in the event of organic intruders when... say everyone is in cryosleep.

​@@brendandrummond1739 I like that idea, could make for a great sci-fi!

I started on the second book then I had to go to the first book of start all over

Low key I think it might be a space buoy/probe.

Being dark makes it not a comet? It’s an asteroid if it doesn’t have a tail isn’t it?

@@alphagt62 I guess the difference is a comet is an icy object and an asteroid is a rocky object. A dark comet, supposedly, would be an icy object with a coma, which is invisible.

@@alphagt62 astroids are natural we dot know here yet

I despise "scientists" like Loeb. Seriously, pointing to aliens before even _exploring_ natural causes is no different than pointing to "god", interdimensional beings, humans from the future, and w/e else our imagination and ignorance can conjure up. I'm so sick of this stupid aliens narrative that's cropped up again. And I believe there are aliens out there, even! But bad science is bad science and Loeb's hypotheses don't deserve to be presented on the same footing as Seligman et al.

Tbh anything about aliens should be taken with many grains of salt. It’s too easy for news companies to get viewers if they put “aliens!!” in the headlines lol

​@@thebuilder5271might even need to add some pepper and spices to the salt we should be taking the claim with, an extraordinary explanation needs lots of strong evidence that leave no other possible explanation unexplored and well... there's definitely another likely explanation in this case.

Science baby!

And they can't find any trace of who Stashed Cocaine in one of the Most Secure buildings on the Planet the US White House ! *I guess when you don't want the Public to know the Real Answers...you don't even ask the questions !*

Yet CCTV footage has 144p resolution

​@@WilliamFord972 that used to be true lol

​thats only what the people in control told us to believe

Any object from interstellar space would be expected to be moving at high relative velocity due to the sun's own motion. The sun travels about the galaxy at around 200 km/sec. That's close to ten times the velocity needed to escape the Earth's gravity entirely. or about six times the velocity at which the Earth orbits the sun.

@@bobbun9630 This 200 km/s is true and false at the same time. The fastest object in our vicinity is Barnard's Star and its speed relative to Sun is 142.6±0.2 km/s. Nothing else around us moves as fast.

Relative to our local group of stars, oumuamua is basically standing still

@@JKa244 yes that is a curious measurement. it was hanging out in the neighborhood, and we ran into it

@nmarbletoe8210. That idea makes it even more amazing; our galaxy could have run into it. What would something completely static in the universe look like and how could it exist?

"I'm not saying its aliens but... *Wink wink.*" If you have a proper degree and even jokingly mention aliens you get about a dozen cameras jammed in your face. That said extraordinary speculation requires extraordinary proof. If we are working under assumption it's always far more likely to follow the more mundane assumption to avoid laymen running wild in speculation. I'm a psychiatrist. Our buzzword is psychopath. If I came out and said, "well until we've analyzed every human on Earth it's not far fetched to think up to 1 in 3 people could be full blown psychopaths." I wouldn't be technically lying but I would be disingenuously garnering fame for myself by nudge nudging spectacular (and almost certainly false) claims.

Yes it has nothing to do with selling books 😂

I hate everyone involved that let this opportunity just fly past us.

@@sirweebs2914 It accelerated away from the solar system. when we realised it was not following the predicted trajectory how were we supposed to catch up with it.

That will be the headlines one day Maybe soon too. Before the 2024 election maybe.

There are two possibilities about Oumuamua true nature. First, it could be an artificial spacecraft or probe that aren't familiar to our design. It's not like the nature of other civilizations if they exist out there would follow the same custom like ours here on Earth. It may have it's structure and outer shells retrofitted to look like an asteroid. This space rocks is well capable enough in handling the harsh condition in the vacuum of space. The second observation would be that Oumuamua is simply an object that's no different to an asteroid or comet. But simply doesn't categorized in the same group. One of mankind greatest flaw is the trait of being arrogance that likes to believed they already know everything. It's a key problem within our collective subconscious. Reeling to the idea that what we know, the nature of our world and the universe should follow to our proposed dictated laws and rules. This is a mistake as probability and unpredictable outcome would dampened the stated quotas. Unfortunately, human egos are stubborn and overwhelmed in a herd mentality that one must follow in order to fit in the society that everyone should follow accordingly. We should be open-minded to what's to know out there instead just breaking the idea from our grounded based belief.

Bruv. Thats blatant projection.@@rogueascendant6611

now that sounds scary goddayum

If it did they wouldn't tell us. If you are trying to create a world of tax slaves the last thing you want is for anyone to realize there might be something outside, an escape essentially, it would motivate revolt.

No point... the chance of intercepting such objects is virtually zero, they are just going too fast.

Couldn't we simply have crafts orbiting almost every planet so that no matter where an object appeared from, we could have a probe start accelerating ahead of time to study, pursue or intercept it once it get close? Even if it was too fast, we'd at least get closer photographs or scans. Course, it'd be hugely expensive. However, we don't know if it'd be worth it till we tried. However, one thing that bothers me is I never know if I'm hearing the whole truth or an objective report.

@@sunnyjim1355 Yeah. As much as that would be cool, an intercept with something like oumuamua would cost tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of m/s in velocity changes. Something like that is just not feasible yet unfortunately.

​@@switzerlandful"Simply"

You need to know the objects path or you just wasted hundred of millions to put a probe in solar orbit

Yes yes, but that's not very useful for generating a buzz wordy, catchy 'controversial' click-bait title.

He is using "crisis" in its academic context. In formal logic/information theory/ academic lingo, "crisis" signifies much less distress than in everyday use. "Crisis" in academia has meaning closer to "incongruous". It is usually used as the opposite of the term "normal science", which refers to situations were there is widespread consensus in the scientific community. Basically, when a scientist says a field of science is in crisis, they mean that there are one or several subjects within the field for which there is no clear consensus. "Crisis" in academia is very common! It is a part of the scientific process, and is usually seen as positive, as it means science is pushing up against problems requiring novel discoveries. If you want to learn more about the meaning of "crisis" in it's scientific context, then study science philosophy / formal logic. "Crisis" in it's academic meaning was defined by Kuhn, but to get the necessary context, it is also necessary to know a bit of formal logic, as well as be familiar with Karl Poper and the concept of scientific positivism.

​@jasonrodriguez2004God made all intergalactic life, aliens included. Please stop spamming The Bible on educational videos, sibling 👽❤Tyvm, Jesus loves you too 🙏

This is my new favourite theory. We should be careful to listen for more wow signals! 🤣

Maybe it was a v1 Von Neumann probe that didn’t make it?

I think it is more likely that Oumuamua is a shoe or slipper which accidentally flew off a big foot, as this would explain it's tumbling motion *and* its elongated shape. It also explains the source of the acceleration, which is probably frozen sweat from the foot which vaporizes in the sunlight.

@@josboersema1352 Ok nice joke, but what do you really think it is? 👨‍⚕️🎓⁉️🌌🗿🌌 Besides Korg's obvious family lol

Thanks for that. Classic. Science is supposed to overcome the "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" problem, but sadly it often seems to have forgotten the art of contending with the space between "accepted theory" and unfounded speculation.

@@AndSendMe What is the accepted theory for the Flyby Anomaly? This has been a multi decade mystery in basic physics, if you have an answer we would like to know!

@@thequantumtemple Sorry if I raised your hopes. I was speaking to the way this video uses General Relativity (the 'hammer': an accepted theory) as a reason to frame Oumuamua's acceleration as a big mystery, and treating Loeb's speculation as valid, when there was evidence (which you pointed out) that something else may be involved (including this in one's thinking is what I refer to as "the space between").

@@AndSendMe Thanks for your views. With the motion of galaxies and intergalactic web requiring the use of dark matter and dark energy as the dominate scientific response, I wanted to highlight General Relativity deviations observed within our solar system. These are deviations that can be tested with cubesat launches that may lead to Modified General Relativity or other new physics.

Yeah interesting had never heard of that. However I think that conclusion is a stretch. more likely the anomaly is due to an unknown error in telemetry? Or maybe some unknown objects interfering?

I just find the insistence of somehow proving its not alien in origin and bending over backwards to find some other explanation at all costs to be highly indicative of the poor current state of Scientific research amongst academics. It's as if an "alien" hypothesis must be thrown out at all costs whether it is true or not.

@@tfk884I wouldn't say they must be thrown out at all costs, but they definitely fall into the extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof category. Until such time as the existence of spacefaring aliens is proven, the sensible starting point is looking for solutions in the laws of physics. Aliens tend to be use as handwavium to explain things we can't ... yet ... explain otherwhise.

The object was tumbling so much that anyone inside would have been scrambled aeons ago. If it was an alien craft. Its contents were dead a VERY long time ago.

We glean more information by doing so. It pushes the scientific community to do more research and look more deeply at their work. It's best the we remain 100% skeptical of alien anything until we are literally looking them in the eyes.

​@@tfk884how could you prove it is alien? Is it not the best way trying first to prove that there's a natural explanation of its behavior? And if there isn't, then we talk aliens, or magic, or whatever.

It’s a beeg rock

Could it be a large dildo? Accelerating towards a massive space beaver perhaps?

@OfficialGeneratorX beeg rock, came from the real far, going a lot further. All questions answered.

@@alexbosse8528 @officialGernatorX Yes, and all UFO's are weather balloons and swamp gas ;-)

@@alexbosse8528 i mean... pretty much... it didnt really do much soooo yea. beeg rock

Here is a connect the dots mystery solved narrative. If the artist rendering of the spacecraft Omuamua is accurate its appearance is exactly like the alleged photo of the crash landed spacecraft the Apollo 20 mission was deployed to investigate. The dead female crewmember onboard the crashed spacecraft on the moon was a member of the MU society located in the Gobi Desert. There was a conflict with the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans conducted a sneak attack against MU but some of MU escaped just in time. Some of MU,s spacecraft escaped just in time 1 of these grabbed a hunk of rock in the rings of Saturn and hurled it at the Atlanteans. It broke up before impact but caused a worldwide cataclysm 11.4k years ago. 2 of MU,s spacecraft were damaged by the Shockwave 1 crashed on the moon,the other is still tumbling thru our solar system on autopilot. The earthbound refugees of MU migrated to the Tibetean plateau focusing on their spiritual practices to atone for this heinous act of destruction. The Atlanteans dispersed to America-The Yucatan-Paragonia & Egypt.

​@@WatcherNine My question was not where it came from, but where it's headed as it left our solar system. If it's just heading out in a random direction, we can't infer anything. If it's heading out to a nearby star, which would be exceedingly unlikely to happen randomly, then that might suggest it's a traveler with intention. But your comment made me realize - If its trajectory incoming was from a nearby star, then made a slingshot move past our sun and headed out to another nearby star, that would be so improbable to have happened randomly that we might as well celebrate our first encounter with alien technology.

Hey, I thought I'd give you a more useful answer as it was an interesting question. Oumuamua is heading towards the constellation Pegasus. The 10 visible stars there are between 67 and 690 light years away. Based on it's speed of 87kmps (or 1LY every 3.5k years), it'll get to the nearest star in a little under a 250,000 years, or to the furthest in 2.4 million years

Thank you, that suggests it's not an alien tourist @@craigbryan6980

What I do not quite understand is why it is difficult to figure out what it is, if the direction out are different from where it came from, it is obviously not made by an alien intelligence?

​@@craigbryan6980 - but where is it coming from? Same place? If not, it is obviously not a probe?

It's because WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!!!!! SCIENTISTS ARE STILL DEBATING IT GENERAL SHAPE. Let alone its texture and color

Scientists can only hypothesize what it looks like and have artists try to replicate it. It’s like why illustrations of dinosaurs are always different because we are still missing a lot of info on them. But yeah impressive that they’re able to guess how it looks based on how it behaves

You're not supposed to notice that. You're no fun. What a party pooper.

there’s only one real picture of oumuamua that was taken by James Webb on a telescope & looking at it is pretty much pointless . you can’t make anything out of it . they show the image at 4:12

Not to mention a propulsion system that defies our current understanding of physics and engineering

Fiction is fiction You can make any idea make sense in fiction,. No reputable scientists think it was aliens...only the uneducated that make up details

Weird comment.

Unlikely but another theory yes

It's a fucking rock lol

Watching too much sci fi if you think we can just send "probes"

once it was in our solar system it was too late to "send a probe" (whatever you mean by that). It was traveling too fast for us to react in time.

Who said it would have an alien in it vs just a probe? That’s exactly what we would do if we had the tech right now and saw a green planet.

I am tired of seeing this comment. I've seen it 50 times now. Who cares. And you had to bring a fog into the picture, good lord, they're vermin, disgusting creatures.

That’s the cool part, we don’t know it was spinning. That’s just the best guess we have based off observations. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Loeb is a crackpot. He has no theory, only a hypothesis. He is famous for writing a bunch of one page "paper" without doing the real work as a scientist.

i thought his point was exactly that it couldnt be a light sail and as there was no other explanation for the acceleration except the light sail than it has to be an alien spacecraft

@@cjh.1920 can you suggest a better explanation for the regular changes in it's brightness?

The idea is that it was broken or malfunctioning; that the probe or other device to which the sail was originally attached had gone off course or had suffered an impact, some other event which sent the sail careening away. The concept necessitates that Oumuamua was unimaginably ancient and was not actually intended to enter Sol system, maybe it was in a parked orbit and got smacked by some energetic particle or micrometeoroid.

Good luck with next models 😊

yes! the anomalous acceleration was less than a millionth of a G! but it was detectable over time as it added up to a significant change in the position vs expected position

so imagine what the aliens can detect if they are way ahead of us... they can probably read all our thoughts from a thousand light years away.

Oumuamua is much too small, cold, and dark. JWST can see things that are very far away, are unbelievably enormous, and that emit red and infrared light.

unfortunately, we need completely different kinds of telescopes to look at faraway stars versus close-by asteroid things. JWST isn't capable of focusing close enough to picture Oumuamua, even if we pointed it at where the object should be, for example. And yeah, too small, to cold, not enough light coming off of it.

It's been gone for a long time, and unlike a comet in our solar system, isn't coming back

he shows a picture taken of it at 4:12 . they might as well have used a rock to take the picture you can’t tell what your looking at all

Could be a broken or malfunctioning sail, right?

A tumbling solar sail would not work

it was tumbling so the brightness changed every so many hours. i forget was it 8 hours rotation? seems like space junk more than a functional sail

​@@nmarbletoe8210"space junk" ? Based on what? Your imagination?

@@norml.hugh-mann There was one other object detected in space with similar non-gravitational acceleration and lack of cometary outgassing. Guess what it was!

Spitzer telescope observations place tight limits on any carbon-based molecules or dust around ‘Oumuamua and rule out the possibility that normal cometary outgassing is at play (unless it is composed of pure water). Moreover, cometary outgassing would have changed the rotation period of ‘Oumuamua, and no such change was observed.

Gravitation works on the mass. In a vacuum the shape it not very relevant. As far as I understand physics.

Without question

I know the feeling

I concur. He clearly does his research for each video, and presents it in such a digestible way

You're mixing metaphors. You should have said he's too good to kill.

It's the quality and his asmr voice for me

It took one look and said "Nah, I'm good."

@@Ave_EchidnaAliens lock their doors when they drive past Earth! 🤣

It concluded there was no intelligent life down here and set course for the next star 🤣

Launched micro probes at earth to study.

They were just here for a rock concert.

It’s not outgassing

@@fromthefire4176. then what is it!!!?

@@feralbluee idk but I remember Occam’s Razor better than everyone bending over backwards in a panic not to have to entertain the idea of aliens. Which it very well may not have been, nobody can know. But outgassing, considering shape, tumbling, and our lack of any other record of that producing this kind of effect, is just ridiculous. It’s more likely an orbital mechanic like the flyby effect that we don’t yet understand enough about. But aliens are still a better explanation than a good 75% of theories I’ve heard from the modern crackpot types who don’t understand why the public has become so aggressively apathetic to space science, while they nerd out over stuff like Martian rocks and make fools of themselves by how dogmatically they still resist, deny, and ignore serious discussion of aliens.

Na

Saltiest reply so far@@ETAisNOW ;)

I have to assume the math was done for this

​@@TylerTheTiler it's the same concept as those little coin things in McDonald's, the coin spins faster the further down into the "well" it goes, until eventually it drops, same thing happens with any comet, they all speed up on entry

@@malcolm355 yes I understand that, I played KSP. I'm saying I assume the scientists/astonomers have already factored this into everything and did the math on it

that's dumb, then why look for causes of acceleration instead of failures in the model?

@@cyfangz9238 Why would that matter? You use energy to accelerate, and it will cost energy to continue the same speed while something is pushing against you. Either way you want to define it, it still says this thing had an increase in push.

​@@ghoulbby To claim a thing had an increase in push due to a lack of reaching an expected decrease insinuates the projected model was perfect, so that only a new outside force that deviates from the model would be responsible. To simply claim a thing had a increase in speed surpassing a projected model is different, however. Having a force or not pushing against said thing changes the way a solution would be looking into. That's why it matters.

i find it very fascinating! that’s why I find it mysterious.

​@@ZEROmg13I find it's very mysterious! that's why I find it so fascinating.

What about my bee whole?

I agree with y’all! It’s both mysterious and fascinating, something like Oumuamua is rare and now theres another one like it!

​@@jennyanydots2389 mind your own beehole 😅

Rama indeed, what else! Arthur C.Clarke would have loved this, I'm sure.

Interesting that an established scientist has some kid scientist trying to prove he's smarter. Probably did half the math on his iphone his parents got him.

Couldn't disagree more. Loeb's continued publishing of completely baseless, debunked garbage has no positive effect on the scientific community, and it only serves to spread disinformation and detract from respectable research..

Ah yes voyager half

You got it wrong. Oumuamua originated from a very special frame of reference, the so-called local standard of rest (LSR) The sol system is the speeding one.

​@@MortenChristensen1979. Can you explain it in but more detail

If we couldnt correctly calculate its trajectory inside our own system i dont think any long term trajectory would be trustworthy

@@hullmees666 maybe. But maybe we can be a lot more general. If it’s an alien craft it’s probably not going to change its trajectory out in empty space.

​@@Dylanshreds1you aren't getting it...We don't have good enough info for our own damn solar system so we darn sure don't have data from beyond it

@@norml.hugh-mann I’m pretty sure astronomers today are capable of determining the relative size of planets, their basic chemical composition, and the distance from their star. At least that’s the impression that has been made by all the information about exoplanets coming out in the last decade or so.

@@Dylanshreds1 If that was the case the next logical place would be Alpha Centauri purely because its the next closest system. Some scientists think there could possibly be life there. Proxima b is considered the most likely habitable world in the system.

interesting! bolsters the radiation pressure idea, which requires a very light weight object. alien space junk perhaps

Wouldnt that also apply to his own solar sail idea, given that oumuamua is confirmed to be rotating?

@@Dorsidwarf that is just for outgassing. radiation pressure doesn't do that afaik

loeb is full of himself imo

@@nmarbletoe8210 Radiation pressure would impact the incoming trajectory, but I saw no indication of that.

yup :)

And it's commonly agreed to be a Centaur rocket booster.

It was a derelict rocket booster

yup, could be something like a panel off an old space station. lightweight and durable but not an actual functioning ship

Sauce? I'd love to know more.

BBQ?

@@lancerevell5979 It's a meme, darlink.

The use of the word 'sauce' instead of 'source'.

@@user-mp9qf5zy3l "Sauce" is internet slang for the word "source". Is that what you were asking about?

Alex really messed this up. He didn't specify that the total gain was 17m/s - which seems logical to me. An acceleration of 17m/s^2 is about 1.8 gravities, and would be definite proof of alien tech. But of coruse, IT IS NEVER ALIENS.

I googled it... Its speed rose by 17 meters per second in total. "On 27 June 2018, astronomers reported a non-gravitational acceleration to ʻOumuamua's trajectory, potentially consistent with a push from solar radiation pressure.The resulting change in velocity during the period when it was near its closest approach to the Sun summed to about 17 meters per second."

I think there was a few orders of magnitude mistake. That would be such a huge acceleration for a celestial object that all the debates about whether it is an alien ship or not would be pointless :)

@@Chris.Davies Aha. Thank you. That makes a lot of sense to me. I am very grateful for your kindness.

@@AndrasMihalyi Thank you very much for your kind and full reply. I was really startled by the numbers in the video and your reply helps me make sense of what is going on. 17 metres per second total change of velocity is far more understandable. Thank you for your help, your time, and your kindness.

Now see, THERE'S a genius idea. Where was it going?

It is now heading away from the Sun towards Pegasus towards a vanishing point 66° from the direction of its approach.

Yes.

@@andoniades Oh, good.

@@thomasmount3530 Given the fact that it came from nowhere around here and estimates suggest our solar system is the first it's encountered in 45 million - several billion years, I doubt our -guesses- _predictions_ about where it's going will tell us much ...

If you have delta V you experienced acceleration.

it's an error in measurement- we expected it to be at (for not-to-scale example) 1000m/s, but we measured 1050m/s. There's a deviation of 50m/s, and at some point it experienced some nonzero acceleration we haven't accounted for. That's what "acceleration bla bla bla 17m/s" means

Until it is.

there are many unusual things sighted

If they were detectable by our instruments, yes. Any alien race advanced enough for interstellar travel - if that's even possible - would likely also be advanced enough to avoid detection if they chose to.

YEAH, BENDING LIGHT,SPACE, AND TIME TO TRACEL i'D IMAGINE, WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO OBSERVE. =)@@strategicsage7694 dang caps

Grifter shill.

On the contrary, the mistake in my view is to constantly scream "alien!" every time we encounter something we don't understand. Sensationalist scientists like Avi Loeb are evidently not immune to this. Truth is, as every other extraordinary claim, aliens should always be the last possibility entertained, not the first. The odds are so overwhelmingly in favor of unknown natural processes as opposed to aliens that one might as well play the lotto instead. Not to mention, 500 years ago, we'd have screamed "God! Angels!" for every unknown phenomena and we would have been just as wrong (presumably). And in both cases, we would be motivated by a metaphysical need to believe, by culture, not by reason. Back in the days, the Bible would make us see angels all around, and today science fiction and pseudo-science spawned this alien-of-the-gap line of reasoning we see everywhere. At last, there's way too many similarities between science fiction and our conception of aliens for the latter not being a direct product of the former.

You scientists definitely don't know everything and Avi Loeb was the arrogant one cleary.

@@75YBA No, keeping lazy scientists sharp and pushing them to gather more evidence by teasing them with an alien tech hypothesis which they normally preemptively reject. Folks who accuse him of being a "grifter" are not understanding his larger strategy which he is very vocal about. And he's winning the strategy by obtaining the private funding that average armchair scientists crunching numbers in a lab are not.

No. The HOPE that it's aliens shouldn't be ridiculed. But the insistence that we consider it's aliens when perfectly valid, and frankly much much much more plausible, explanations suffice absolutely should be ridiculed as crack pottery.

No. The HOPE that it's aliens shouldn't be ridiculed. But the insistence that we consider it's aliens when perfectly valid, and frankly much much much more plausible, explanations suffice absolutely should be ridiculed as crack pottery.

That’s what I’m thinking, we’re moving forward, so it makes sense that other things would be moving toward us. The gravity of our sun would cause these to speed up.

@@chrislail3824 so, yes, that's why we encountered it, and that's why it followed a hyperbolic trajectory through the solar system, but we are very good at calculating gravitational effects, and 'Oumuamua's speed had changed a slightly different amount than expected- it was 17m/s off from our estimates when it was on the way out, as said in the video. What's puzzling isn't that it passed by, or that it flung past the sun at a high speed, but that it flung past the sun at a speed we didn't expect. Some people in the comments have posited it's related to the Pioneer effect- an unexpected deviation in velocity when the Pioneer probe was accelerated to a hyperbolic trajectory, out of the solar system. Voyager 1 and 2 both felt a similar effect too. The position is that we don't actually fully completely understand general relativity for hyperbolic paths, leading to slight inaccuracies in calculations for objects at these speeds. It's likened to the original explanation for the precession of Mercury's orbit, which was first adequately explained by general relativity, due to its close proximity to the sun.

Can you list some logical holes?

You can look at the same statement with the opposite conclusion. He knows a lot about solar sails, so he has the expertise to explain that potential possibility. It would be more of a red flag if he was advocating for a possibility outside his range of knowledge.

Avi Loeb also used to give seminars on investing in Dogecoin, while being heavily invested in said crypto. His "work" with light sails has the appearance of promoting book sales (pun intended).

Idk if "Scientist In Name Only" is circulating yet, but Loeb 100% fits. He doesn't do anything scientific, he just uses his degree as a weird form of clout, writes papers on stoner theories, and grifts

@@R.JoshFieldif that’s the case, then wouldn’t his writings easily have been dispelled? Why hasn’t it been done yet and why is he still relevant and not labeled a hack?

We are still to a staged in civilization in which most domineering powers are repelling advancement for the betterment of humankind. Snuffing out this problems, terminating this greedy and corrupt obstacles is the key way for our transition to a space-faring civilization. What's better would be faster transformation. Remember Star Trek? If you seen the old show, the main factor of how mankind in that universe was able to become a solidified superpower in the galaxy is due of not having any bureaucracy and corporations taking a chunk of society. All of that were destroyed, annihilated at the end of the Third World War, nuclear war precisely. Although there were more than that. My point is that we need a stabilized form of government in order to facilitate our ascension into the star. There just too many greed and corruption within our current society that simply the idea of venturing and funneling lots of research and funds into the final frontier is a lofty dream. Not forgetting that we aren't united, too much competition and mistrust to each other nations. So yeah, as long stuff like this continue to endure and society is balling to deeper end. We are no way and any shape to go to the final frontier.

If only it wasn't for (Highly simplified negative thing that fits my worldview) we could do (Outlandish technical feat)!

You do realize the only reason we got to the moon was because of war?

Define scientific rigorous lol?

@@alexnahan969 I'd say that 'scientifically rigorous' means that it has been extensively tested against opposing theories and still remains a logically sound conclusion, but it is not a technical term, and as is the case with every non-technical term, there is a massive amount of subjectivity introduced through the context in which it was used and the idiolect of the person using it

Absolutely f-ing not. This papers might be rigorous by his method but starting from such a ludicrous hypothesis is far from the scientific rationality. Nature has proven an incommensurate amount of times that it's surprisingly rich and that we still have a lot to learn. The "I want to believe" mindset should not be given the same credit as any other natural explanations. Aliens are the new-age escape goats, the modern equivalent to the good old theist theories about everything unknown, something scientific method is deeply against. What Loeb did was intellectual laziness or pure sensationalism and doesn't deserve any glance at all.

@@alexnahan969 based on sound scientific principles and logic, using valid data sets and double-checked information from experimental sources. Enough?

When the Vera C. Rubin observatory is in operation, we are going to see SOOO MANY strange interstellar objects passing through the solar system. We have seen two objects ENTIRELY BY ACCIDENT: I/Oumuamua and I/Borisov. They were only a year or two apart and we weren't really even looking. I anticipate seeing a plethora of interstellar objects.

No, a unique mass distribution cannot cause unexpected acceleration. No matter how the thing is shaped, it’s going to move along a predictable path due to the gravitational force between the two objects unless there are additional forces to gravity. It is incredibly most likely that the object released gas that we simply did not see with our limited abilities that depend on standard compositions of comas (gasses that reflect enough light).

would have changed the rotation period of ‘Oumuamua, and no such change was observed.

wich is why we need to spread out. first mars. then titan. and then alpha centauri.

Lets hope so. Humanity is a pox.

@@1969bones69 You go first. ill pay for the rope. c'mon you know your life is insignificant, no one will even notice.

​@@1969bones69 Agreed.👍🇮🇪🇷🇺🇷🇺

Everyone of us will die in end

Magnetism is already a weak force, for magnetism to affect such a large object even if it was fully magnetic itself, think of the strongest magnet on earth has little to no effect on other objects 10 miles away which 0.0004 the circumference of earth. if there were any other force that could push an object like this I would bet gravity, another weak force, but one we do not fully understand. I really am making most of this stuff up, but if this is an alien material/substance than it could totally be in the realm of possibility.

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interstellar space is devoid of anything and you would be bored to insanity.

In a tiny cave in the midsection of Omuamua, a tiny Tardigrade sits, patiently watching the Universe unfold for billions of years and thinks to itself: "F#*k me, this is dull." 😂

Your comment makes zero sense. It’s like it was written by AI.

And the tumbling would completely invalidate the idea of a light sail.

Why? Isn’t the idea that it’s some old out of use alien lightsail that broke long ago likely due to a collision that made it start tumbling.

@mikewilliams-jw8jd at least one of it's axes would have changed with any of the currently proposed explanations, I'm not saying it can't be a light sail, just that it wasn't a light sail that made it speed up going around the sun.

alien space junk > light sail tumbling seems like a major clue

@@darth_dub_ I was responding to the guy that said if it’s tumbling that means it can’t possibly be a light sail