All Checo’s wins for redbull have come when Max has either had an issue in quali or the race. So he may win more… but it’s out of his hands, he has to rely on Max having other issues between now and the end of the season. 🤷♂️
Yes, definitely. Recently, Helmut Marko even said that Albon would have probably done much better and kept his seat if his confidence hadn't been broken by Hamilton crashing into him in Brazil 2019 and Austria 2020.
Albon seems to be in the same position of Lando, the team wants them but the team isn't providing the best car. Albon does have the experience of a top team unlike Lando and being chewed up then thrown away when he doesn't work anymore so I would say he is less likely to make a big jump. Williams has investment now, they are getting new staff and the team principle change is working well so the only thing holding them back now is facilities but they should be able to get past Haas, Alfa and Alpha Tauri if they stick on their current course.
I want Matt and Tommy to live react to WillFP1's 2 "ferrari's awful 2022 season documented " videos, the PTSD kicking in will be glorious, top content for the Summerbreak ;)
I love the pod but the Sainz chat sometimes is baffling….the analysis of how the grid would look like without redbull in a previous video had Sainz on multiple podiums...hoped it would open their eyes a bit. The new pods since have been the same. In this video, Tommy said he’s been up and down but consistent…make it make sense 😂
@@SputnikRSS1 Because iSainz has higher expectations on that Ferarri. Yuki clearly outperforms his car, and Ocon actually won 3rd once, meanwhile sainz still can't get a podium in that ferrari.
@@Kaimax61 but why is he so far behind Leclerc and Russell in these rankings when he’s 7 points behind in the standings. Same expectation in car, same points and yet viewed more negatively as them
Think Hulk has been done dirty by these rankings tbh. He puts the car in places it has no right to be in quali and through no fault of his own goes backwards in the race. Feels v harsh having him so low.
Well I think this is the average of the ratings over the course of the season so he got a bunch of low grades in the races where he didn't do too well and it brought the average down
@AzureKite I think the average system they're doing instead of the eye test is what skewed a lot of results. What have you done for me lately and how have you performed in relation to your teammate and how good is your car compared to the field
average ratings, this eliminates the "emotional" factor, like saying "it's harsh", when he's clearly not delivering. Like Tsunoda has 1 more points than him, and he's driving the slowest car this year.
@@Kaimax61 Hulk has 6 points more than Tsunoda so I don’t know what you’re talking about. The problem I have with their race day ratings is that it’s heavily skewed towards the cars at the front. Someone like Checo finishing in 3rd in the fastest car will end up getting a higher rating than a Haas finishing 13th, despite the fact that Checo would be underperforming relative to his car whereas the Haas would be where it’s expected to be.
How are people constantly saying that zhou is doing great and Bottas terrible while bottas is clearly ahead in both qualifying and race finishes. If the car wasn’t so bad the points gap would also be much bigger. I don’t think bottas is doing that good tbh but I really don’t understand where all the praise for zhou is coming from while constantly finishing behind a „washed“ driver
Isn't it pointless to compare Bottas with Zhou? AR has the worst tyre change, the (almost) worst car, and endless technical issues. and has no team principal and no CTO. No driver can survive that. The only hope is that the new CTO JKey could really develop a solid car for the next year,.
I really like the objectivity of the pro-rated scores across the season. It does eliminate the emotional connection and recency bias, even when you feel it should be different. The biggest example of this for me is RUS ranking, which for me emotionally should have been 6th or 7th. Good job with this.
But these rankings have put Perez comfortably in the top 10 when he’s been one of the worst drivers this year. 1st and 2nd places are what he SHOULD be getting-anything else is underperforming, let alone what he’s doing in qualifying.
@@jamespoole3531 hi there. No debate, we pretty much all agree with you, but ... context is everything. This specific scoring metric: - Is NOT based on looking back over the 12 races and assessing the overall performance with every race in the rearview mirror. - Is based on the scores which were given by Matt & Tommy after each race this season. So let's use Perez as an example, the first couple of races Perez underperformed, he likely scored well based on a significant recovery drive. If they had a silver ball and knew it was going to be one mess up after the other, he might have received a worse score per race. This approach is different for sure, but it's interesting because it removes the subjectivity of "Perez can't be in the top 10, because he's driving the best car on the grid and failed to make Q3 5 races in a row". It's each moment in time added together and divided by number of races.
@@cgf72 i agree with your point...but perez underperformed the first couple of races? what do you mean, he was p2, p1, p2, p1, p2 to start the season? he fell off in monaco
What I like about this list is that even though it's unbiased, it shows what everyone (at least most) F1 think, and that's the fact that Max, Alonso, and Hamilton are just better drivers than everyone else. Sure, Lando, Charles, George, and others can deliver when the conditions are right and the stars align, but these three have been dominating the sport for years for a reason.
or maybe they have more experience, I am a max fan but you cant beat the raw pace of charles. He neeeds time to fix. Nando ham ver are already way too experinced
@anurag15271 I think Max is faster, but he knows he does not need a pole to win the race, so he does not drive on the edge. Look at the Monaco pole to see what happens when Max opens it up. Charles overdrives the car and tends to crash it, like a lot
expanding more on max's consistency, I think that it's even more difficult to be consistent with a season that has so many more races. people think that having more races makes it easier to break records but no, the longer season is taxing to the mind and body both and having to deliver week after week with literally little to no rest in between is tremendous
The guy has been a an absolute machine, and it's so many things, the car is amazing, his calm measured approach, his confidence in the team, the car and himself, his perfect measured aggression when it is required and above all his scintillating pace, it's all just above and beyond what I've ever seen in F1.
I think Albon would do well paired with Fernando at Aston Martin. Really think Stroll has had his time and chance. It's ridiculously clear why he still has a seat.
That’s a pairing I’ve never considered before and it sounds great. Only thing I’d say is I really think Albon has made Williams his own and I think the trajectory they’re on could be really promising.
I couldn't agree more, I think albon would work well in an aspirational team, and he could learn so much by being by the side Alonso. I mean realistically what is Stroll bringing to the table? And here I thought Bollywood is full of nepotism, this father son duo has put them to shame.
Lance will *never* get fired. Daddy Stroll bought the team FOR Lance. In fact, I'm not even sure Lance wants to be in that seat as badly as Lawrence wants him there. AMR exists because of Lance Stroll. He isn't going anywhere. Lawrence Stroll is the low key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
@@sheldoniusRex I think that was true at the start but now Aston Martin really wants to be taken seriously and will surely want to have be best drivers possible when chances to get a title increase. By now Lawrence has already realised his son will never win a title.
@@yrgkyt3372I agree with you on Sainz, and so do Matt and Tommy actually. But Leclerc is about where he should be imo. Can we really say he’s consistently been better than the likes of Norris or Russell? He’s had those awesome highs, but he’s also had some pretty bad lows, especially in mixed conditions where he’d just get blown away by his teammate for no clear reason.
@@raycodv267 Norris? Mb not. Russell? Ofc. Perez too. RUS and PER were really bad in the first half while Leclerc had his highs unlike Russell, and lows werent as bad and frequent as Perez’s
@@Bart-86 Ye its pretty bad hes even close to hamilton on the standings LOL. Hamilton shown levels to GR so far and hamilton always gets better second half
Considering the time he’s had in F1 to develop, I don’t think we can grade Stroll as higher than Logan. I always thought he deserved to be in F1, albeit in a back marker or mid field car, but boy was I wrong. It probably won’t happen but I hope Stroll leaves place for younger talent.
Stroll has been better in previous years than this one. Just a bit tired of it all probably. How would you cope with it if you are being called daddy's cash year in and year out. It's a bit sad really, bcs I think he doesn't want to be there anymore
Man's been in F1 for nearly 6 years, 6 years! If the guy can't learn to be consistent after 6 years it's never gonna happen! I think someone on The Race called him a 'more boring Pastor Maldonado' and I can't think of a better comparison.
You weren't wrong, he deserved to be in F1, he wasn't much off the pace compared to his past teammates. But this year he's been terrible, needs the boot.
It's frustrating because I think Stroll COULD be good. He's been pretty good at some stages of his career and he showed that a couple times this year I just don't see how he can be so inconsistant
? He's 6th in drivers tied on points with Leclerc at 5th and you can't really seriously say that the Merc has been in any way a better car than Ferrari this year.
Honestly, anyone who says it's just the car is absolutely insane. The performances Max, Lewis & Nando have pulled throughout their careers is exceptional. They truly are 3 of the greatest talents the sport has ever seen.
Fernando is the greatest racing driver ever. 20 years at the peak of motorsports. Unbelievably talented and persistent. Nobody else has ever had that longevity.
You would expect him to be. But these ratings aren't just based on pure results. Yes, Bottas is better than Zhou, but not by a lot considering this is his 11th season in F1. And at the end of the day, the results show that Zhou only has one less point than Bottas this season, no matter which way you look at it.
Strolls gotten worse season on season and its a shame since his dad bought the team. It's a shame considering he seemed like he could at least be an average midfield driver.
Lawrence Stroll is the low-key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
George has been completely anonymous this year, flubs qualy half the time, drives into people and crashes by himself. Can ANYBODY give a reason he is ranked so high?? He's performing reletive to stroll vs where HAM finishes..
Both of you having Sainz outside the top 10 seems quite harsh. I would argue that he has been much more consistent than Leclerc, and has been unlucky to not have a podium by now. There is an argument that Sainz has been better than Leclerc this season
@@gameofender4463Charles always was overrated in my opinion. Yes on some days he delivers on par with Verstappen. But in the end he is waaaay to inconsistent and just doesn't use his chances enough. And thats whats seperates a great driver from a championship winning driver
Where is this Sainz consistency everyone talks about? Crashed into Alonso in Melbourne to drop out of the points. Crashed into Piastri just last race. Dropped a bunch of positions in Austria due to track limits. Sainz makes just as many mistakes if not MORE than Leclerc. He's usually just in such a low position that no one remembers them.
Sainz is so underrated… he might not get the poles like Charles but everyone acts like he’s miles away from him every year.. last year being the exception but Sainz was ahead of Charles all year until recently, and beat Charles in the standings in 2021 coming in as the new driver..
Last year when the car was race winning and when they didn't suck he was in the gravel while Charles was getting grand slams. Beat in standings because of luck. Can't beat him in poles, wins, points this year or last year even though Charles had worse luck than him lmao
Nah, he was underrated coming into the 2021 season, then when he beat Charles people thought he could do it again in 2022, almost got a bit overrated in 2022. He is pretty fairly rated now, people know how good he is but also see that he isnt as fast as Charles but can keep up with him
I think if I would change something I would put LEC and SAI closer together, PER lower, I also feel like the gap between ALO and HAM is too big because he got too high ratings at the start of the season when people refused to believe that Aston was the second best car.
Yes very harsh. Particularly blaming him for Spa when the stewards treated it as a turn 1 racing incident. Everyone knows 3 into 2 doesn't go at that corner and a dive down the inside usually ends in tears. Obviously didn't watch the Palmer analysis.
@@lewismaxvaltteri Im not saying he should be ahead of leclerc, but having riccardo ahead of him in one list and having george russell in 4th in the other... 13th is not fair to him
This Sainz criticism is so silly. He’s only 7p off of Charles and delivers far more consistency on record. Is he the qualifying guru that Charles is? No. Can he deliver? Absolutely.
To Sargeant’s credit, it’s not like he’s Mazepin or even Mick who seemingly found a way to crash every other weekend. He’s a below average driver in a below average car, but at least he’s not costing Williams a ton of money in repairs
I agree with Tommy's ratings except for Daniel's because he only drove 2 races so we don't really know how good he is compared with the other drivers and Yuki
I agree that Sainz has made more errors than Leclerc, but I feel like we're pretending he wasn't ahead of Leclerc in the standings up until the last race despite being treated as the number 2 driver
He was ahead in the standings because Leclerc got an engine issue in the first race (while being P2) which resulted in a 10 place grid penalty in the second race. He lost something like 22 to 30 points in these two races to no fault of his own.
Indeed, but Leclerc hasn't been able to close that point gap in the next 9 races passing Sainz just because Sainz got involved in a racing incident at Spa. The point is, their difference in skills is not as big as media and yt commentators are depicting
"He can't be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not stop, EVER, until he wins." Max, basically
It would be interesting to see this list as ratings points scored, a "P1 Drivers Championship" if you will, might help balance out the Danny Ric anomaly.
Lance's situation will forever be strange. Probably doesnt deserve to still be on the grid, doesnt show that he has the motivation to be a better driver and almost looks like the Alonso performances have deflated him a bit to be honest.
Lawrence Stroll is the low key abusive sports dad reliving his glory days or enacting his fantasy about his missed opportunities by forcing his kid to excel in a sport the kid doesn't care about.
Sainz is the most underrated driver on the grid. He had a rough season last year but he beat Leclerc in 2021 in his first year at Ferrari. He's only just been overtaken by Leclerc in the standings and has a real chance at beating him this year again. To have him that low down is WILD
"He hasn't had that massive gap to Sainz as we have seen in the years gone by" this is like saying Charles has been trouncing Carlos for a good 3-4 years when in reality Carlos literally finished ahead of him in 2021 and was best of the rest.
i would love to see a line graph that charts each of the driver's scores over the season while you talk about the average. that way we can get a nice look at the highs and lows, and how they've progressed over time (according to your ratings, of course)
i agree so much with the top 3. although lewis is my favorite, alonso is actually doing insane things this year and max, omg. what a talent! he already was so so good and he just keeps getting better. i just wish he had competition hahahah from someone
8:10 I think that looking on raw results Bottas is more impressive. 5 Best result outside of top 10: Bottas: 11,11,12,12,12 Zhou: 12,13,13,13,15 But considering the fact that It's Valtteri's 11th season already and Zhou's 2nd, Bottas should be doing better.
Isn't zhou a pay driver? Or did he switch from pay driver to paid ? Either way. Bottas is showing he'a not much better than zhou. Which is not very good
Valterri should be doing better. He used to be able to occasionally beat Lewis in races/qualis, but the fact that he's now being outperformed on occasion by a teammate with much less experience shows that Valterri has definitely dropped off in performance.
Magnussen should be beating Hulkenberg and I think he will be once the car develops. That said, in the races magnussen has been besting Hulkenberg (not looking too much at placement but more laptimes) so actually luck or lack thereof seems to be a factor in the results. Kmag also opted for running with Hulkenbergs setup seeing hos onelap speed but that turned out to be a poor choice as speed just bleeds out as the tires fade away in the race. Magnussen will bounce back no doubt.
I swear everytime they talk about Bottas and Zhou, they give Bottas the lower rating because they "expect more", but always gives Zhou they excuse of "the Alfa car is horrible".
11 years season driver vs 2 years rookie. Of course they're expecting more from someone who sometimes can beat Hamilton in the same machinery. But in reality, Bottas is only leading 1 point on zhou. He shouldn't be "On Par" with zhou.
Matt had Alonso 7 TENTHS ahead of Lewis. They are tied at best. Both killing their teammates and extracting the most but Lewis hasn’t spun his car and ruined his race so how’s he so far below
Alonso has been great this season but a lot of his crazy high grades came when we were totally shocked that the AM was the 2nd fastest car. Had Lewis started the season the same way I'm not sure he'd have been receiving 10s like Alonso did simply because we expect stuff like that from him and Mercedes. But now we're more used to where each team is. Not saying the bias would've been that much, I'd still have Alonso in the top 3 with the top 3 all being comfortably ahead of anyone else. Also this is just my opinion.
Idk how to feel about Danny so far up with only 2 races, too early to judge imo but thats what happens when RB can't build up drivers anymore and have to relly on drivers who alredy have years of experience
One BIG SUGGESTION for you is that when you show the rating boards on the left and right, PLEASE make them full screen and block your faces out for a few seconds. While watching on phone its so hard to see the rating number.
I disagree with you Matt, P21 is somewhat special when there's only 20 on your list. if DeVries is a Pokémon he must be a super super rare one. #TeamDeVries
Alonso rated too high, he did well when their car was just so much better than everyone but Max, and as soon as any team brought upgrades he dropped. He did well getting podiums when they had the 2nd best car but I don't think he's been better than Lewis, Leclerc, Lando.
Kinda mediocre for a driver like Lewis to be having results as low as 6 to begin with. With the car, he can still consistently be at least a 7 or above imo.
Nice video guys, thank you for the upload I know that this ranking is an average of all races, so I'll just restrict my opinion to the qualitative ranking. I agree with most of the ranking, I just have the following remarks: 1) Carlos Sainz: It seems to me that this ranking is way too harsh for him, not least because it has been a year in which he has followed Leclerc well, being superior in some races and qualies. Even after the last DNF he is only 7 points behind Leclerc. I would put him below Leclerc but with a similar ranking to Russell (for instance the gap between Hamilton and Russell this year has been quite bigger than the one between Leclerc and Sainz) 2) Valteri Bottas: Given that he's driving a tractor with no pace and no reliability, not to mention terrible starts and bad pit stops, probably the worst car on the grid (alongside Haas), I think he is invisible but solid, scoring points in two races and placing P11 twice and P12 three times. Some h2h results against highly rated/hyped drivers in this ranking. Quali - Bottas 8-4 Zhou ; Bottas 6-6 Albon ; Bottas 7-5 Tsunoda Race - Bottas 8-4 Zhou ; Bottas 6-6 Albon ; Bottas 6-6 Tsunoda I would place him next to Hulkenberg, just below the Alpines. 3) Alex Albon: I'm going to be a little unpopular here. I think Williams this year is "only" the 4th worst car on the grid, with good potential for certain circuits, and remember that the benchmark here is Logan Sargeant, a rookie driver with 1 year of experience in F2. Don't get me wrong, Albon is a good driver and he is having a very good season proving that he deserves another chance in a competitive car, but I think you are putting some steroids on him. I would put him above Tsunoda, but more equivalent with Piastri (who I think should be ranked a little higher) 4) Daniel Riccardo: I think he should not be in this ranking yet, with only one interesting sprint race and a P13 and P16 ending.
can you guys also add the standard deviation of the average grades? Checo would have a high one as he got a zero and high grades. I am curious about the other drivers deviations.
If I had to do it manually for me it goes like this 1) Verstappen 2) Alonso 3) Hamilton 4) Norris 5) Perez 6) Leclerc 7) Russel 8) Sainz 9) Albon 10) Piastri 11) Ocon 12) Gasly 13) Tsunoda 14) Stroll 15) Hulkenberg 16) Zhou 17) Bottas 18) Sergeant 19) Magnussen 20) Ricciardo (he only had 2 races I can’t place him higher 21) Nick de Vries
Fernandos score is maybe a bit too high at the start of the season in my opinion based on where Aston used to be last year. but i dont want to take anything away from him, maybe just 1 point per race week (meaning 8 instead of 9 and so on)... still way better than Lance, who i would argue we could downgrade just the oposite to Fernando (6 into 5 and so on for example)
@@arhamimam8547 thats your opinion. the hype of potential alonso fighting for wins or even championship blinds his fans a bit. but i cant blame them to be honest, what a spectacle would it be if Fernando and Lewis would join in the fight for the title with Max...that would be a banger and a half
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@@Persoc The car has gone backwards in development since Spain but Alonso has proven time again that if they give him a good car and he'll get the results. Same with Lewis, he's able to extract more out of the car than Russell showing once again why he's a 7 time champ. The best drivers can get that little bit extra from their cars or get it as close to the maximum as possible.
I get that y’all’s order is based off the average of you race grades. But I haven’t graded them. This is how I would rank them overall this year. Max Alonso Lewis Norris Perez (still has been pretty good for as bad as he has been) Leclerc George Sainz Alex Ocon Gasly Piastri (only has half the points of Norris) Nico Stroll Bottas Zhou Yuki DaniRic (too early to really rank) Kmag Sargeant De vries
@@alfredojunceda9926 Only reason he was ahead was because of Leclercs dnf from p3, then 10 place grid drop in Saudi as a result of the dnf and his grid drop in Monaco due to incompetence from Ferrari.
@@sniperkuzi4083 you forget (intentionally) that in saudi almost all the race he was behind Sainz with less pace than him, also his mistake in Australia that caused DNF, in miami struggling to pass Magnussen, qualifying 19 in barcelona hahahahaha
