Our Baby Ball Pythons Hatched!! But... 

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This reads like a tumblr post 😅😂

​@@lenaevess was about to say lol

"you did crime, now you have to deal with children" 😂

@@brookewilderness7659 I don’t know the full process but I believe it’s for patreons, there’s probably something there showing where to go!

NOWS MY CHANCE 😂😭

"Hey baby... know what else wobbles in my presence? Your heart." (real talk, that line was actually used on me once :D )

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@@katydidd6321 LMAO

So tur

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I had that exact thought! :)

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You are so right🍌🍌🍌

I don’t know why people freak about the spider gene. Spider gene is fine and the snakes eat.

i❤lqiqqonth is cut

Some on tiktok say the enclosures and bins are too small still

They have been breeding snakes for as long as I can remember them documenting it. They did just a couple of North American species at first and have moved onto other species progressively.

​@celticwolf Unfortunately when you breed reptiles on a large scale you can't actually give them the big enclosures they need because you would simply not be able to fit enough animals in one space. I think Snake discovery is doing everything right, and the smallish bin enclosures are still way better than most breeders

@@celticwolf8123 the enclosures are absolutely fine.

TBH, this post is super sad because it shows that despite this issue going nuclear a few years ago with basically every third snake channel coming out as for or against the ban of their sale in UK Reptile Expos, people are still getting these snakes with no idea there's something *seriously* wrong with them. Take good care of them, and pay attention for things like them falling upside down while moving or accidentally biting themselves while trying to eat - that one has happened to people with relatively minor wobble and generally requires your manual intervention to get them to stop, because they think their food is fighting them and just bite down harder and harder. Soft substrate and low climbing branches are a must.

This comment is disappointing. Do your research before getting a snake

@@candycane11103 Some people could have been given the snake by someone else, and even in the year I've been researching ball pythons in preperation of getting one hopefully in a few months I only learned about spiders from this video when I first saw it a few months ago. I had SEEN the morph at reptile cons, but had never known about anything attached to the morph. People's first thought when getting a snake isn't normally "gee I wonder what morphs are lethal or can cause severe neurological issues in the snake !!!!!", its about how to care for them, habitat needs and size, size of the snake, diet, bonding, ect. Show some kindness. It's very easy to simple never find out or never be informed about these kinds of things unless you are specifically looking for them.

@@candycane11103 I have been researching snakes for 8 years, even I didn't know about this disability attached to the morph. Sometimes you just don't stumble upon an information no matter for how long you learn.

I do like that he's trying to improve it, and it might actually be due to ear malformations instead, from what I've heard... But I do personally agree that purposefully breeding smthn with known health issues isn't fair to the animal that has no say in being here.

I said this exact thing to my partner but he didn't laugh, joke wasted

@@SocksAndMittens6435 i think they meant that it was rude / they said it sarcastically) that they didn’t laugh !

I had the exact sarcastic, silly thought. I'm not a snek person until I found this channel a few months ago. I'm fascinated!

@@s1rennn Oh, I think I misunderstood! My bad

@@LilyNeons The only one here who is rude is YOU

LOL, I just had the same reaction. (I do not even keep snakes), Those poor little guys :( Accidents happen, but too many people still breed them.

I view the spider morph in the same way I view the short snout on dogs. Sure, it's cool/cute, but it's not worth the suffering to the animal. And you can "breed the bad effects out" but you have to go through countless sick babies before you get to the healthy one... it's not worth the cost just for a cool/cute looking animal.

@@jadecoolness101 You can't "breed the bad effects out", it's tied to the allele that causes the morph. Some individuals will have a better or worse wobble, often depending on their environment, but it can always get better or worse at any time. Spider should be allowed to die out as s morph and the remaining spiders should be given to loving homes that won't breed them.

@@vulturesalesman technically you likely can because crosscutting alleles, but the fact is... too many sick babies would be made along the way. Spider can never be ethical because it inherently requires sick babies be made.

@@jadecoolness101 a neurological disorder is very different to a squashed face. especially since squashed faced dogs can actually be well bred unlike the spider morph.

Bro Bread's sperm was fighting for their lives in there

​@@solstice_soda701for real 😂

you said it!

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Bread 🍞 honey 🍯

I have a normal banana that might have a wobble. He does flip his head around sometimes. And is slow to right his head when I gently flip him over (I do it to test for Neuro issues)

This. It's hard to do research on bp neuro issues because all the videos are about either spiders or people talking about the pros of breeding the morph with issues. For example when I was trying to do research on Champagne to cater for my latest adoption I just kept finding videos on "everything awesome about breeding the champagne morph" so had to settle with watching spider videos and hope the same information applies

When I first got into snakes and brought home my first buddy, I always thought "uh spider morph is dominant, so it has to always show". My snake is a BEL so completely white. I thought she didn't have spider gene and the guy I bought her from was really sketchy and told me she was all healthy (exotic animals are not common in my country so the sellers are almost always sketchy) I was devestated when I saw how wobbly she was because I am completely against buying or breeding an animal knowing it will have a health issue. I was so mad at myself for giving money to someone who profits off these poor babies who will live all their lives, not knowing what is up and down right or left, just always dizzy. Anyways it happened, and I had to educate myself more and to remind myself to be more cautious of exotic animal sellers here. I love my baby girl tho its been years now and as always, she is super sweet happy and healthy aside from this issue.

Comment to bump this because that is a very good idea!

What I don't understand is why those breeders put so much effort into breeding these Spiders when it would be in their better interests to breed for a morph that looks similar, but without the problems. If I recall correctly, the Bamboo morph presents very similar, yet there's not a single wobble among them. Why defend the unethical production of them, when they could simply switch what they are producing?

OMG LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!! 😂

You didn't have heat where the snake was? As in your home?

@@up0820 we did. He had a blockage. Didn't know til he ruptured. Very sad. We loved him.

What I don't understand is why those breeders put so much effort into breeding these Spiders when it would be in their better interests to breed for a morph that looks similar, but without the problems. If I recall correctly, the Bamboo morph presents very similar, yet there's not a single wobble among them. Why defend the unethical production of them, when they could simply switch what they are producing?

Bumping so that all the comments discussing the cons of spider morphs get attention!

I got in the comments looking for exactly this comment. I wondered if the defect would bother the snake itself, clearly it does. The world is in need of some fierce regulation around breeding animals with known genetic defects.

​@@warriormaiden9829 maybe because the spider morph is dominant so it's easy to breed by mistake

How are the snakes doing? BANANA

Some of them can live normal lives, but I've seen videos of them where the neurological effects are REALLY bad and they basically have to be forcefed because they can't strike/latch on properly on their own to their food. They bang around in their enclosures and smash their heads into things... it's awful. I'm completely against the breeding of that morph.

Its really hard to tell how many spiders function just fine and how many are severely affected because breeders are not very transparent about it. Also there’s little info on whether it’s even possible to breed the wobble out of spiders.

I’m glad they were talked about too. I wanted one for a while cause they look so cute, but I would rather they not be bred.

@@Palitato From what I've seen, most spider's don't have a pronounced wobble, or at least one that negatively affects their ability to live a healthy and good life. From what I've seen, most of the spiders that have really bad wobbles were either abused/lived in poor conditions or the result of a spider to "wobble complex" genes(champagne, woma, spotnose). Thats not to say that some aren't born with a really bad wobble, but from what I've noticed they aren't too common. That said, I would never buy or breed spider because there is that greater possibility genetically. I'm not in favor of "banning" the breeding of the morph, but I am for full breeder transparency on the degree to which the wobble is and the euthanization of snakes with really bad wobbles.

Lots of people don't know that ALL spiders have the wobble syndrome even if they're not corkscrewing all over the place and it affects everything from their balance and righting reflex to muscle tone and development. And it can get worse at any point in the animal's life. I'm a ball python breeder and I do not believe it's ethical to intentionally produce them because of this, so I don't have any neuro complex morphs. A lot of people still also claim it is possible to breed the wobble out of the gene but it is not, whatever biological process causes the phenotype is the same thing that causes the wobble syndrome so it is impossible to separate the two - if an animal has spider, it also has wobble syndrome and they are inseparable. People have been trying for decades and there's been no progress at all.

agreed :)

I'm an advocate for responsible breeding of anything. NERD is working a line of spider responsibly. Kevin rocks, though.

When I got my first snake I got a ball python but unfortunately I got a spider and didn’t even know there was a problem about them and my mom also got a bp (super enchi lemonblast) and she wants to breed them so when we do we wont be able to hold back spiders and make sure we tell the buyer about the spider wobble. I don’t want to breed them but my mom says it would be fine :(

Agreed!!

​@@Cedar_on_paws Your mom needs to do a LOT more research. Before approaching the spider ethics, I'd look at odds from the pairing to see if it's even likely to get morphs worth the effort financially. And look at the costs of raising them to adulthood if you can't find buyers. Your morphs are much fancier, but this is how I talked my husband out of breeding our normal adult male BP who has stunted growth from the negligent conditions we rescued him from.

As someone in a wheelchair, I wish I had his confidence.

I rehomed a spider morph from a breeder as he didn't want him, so now he's in my care and living his best life - he's a bit wobbly but he's not letting it affect his life and I love him very much ☺️

@@FreedomAnderson I'm disabled as well. Animals don't let it stop them because they don't know anything different - it doesn't occur to them that they're not like the others. They see an obstacle and they just conquer it, or they don't, and if they don't they just forget about it and go conquer the ones they can without being hard on themselves. Often they end up carving out their own unique niches that way and excelling in those niches. Its about watching for doors opening to them even when others close. They really don't let anything stop them from living their best lives. Its a valuable lesson and one that I try hard to learn for myself every day.

@@KittenKiki13 I have a spider who doesn't really show her wobble at all unless my husbandry is off or something stresses her out (and even then all she does is tilt her head just a hair to the left). Its actually a bone in the inner ear thats a little larger or somewhat out of place than it should be and it just disrupts their equalibrium, and not a nuerological disorder at all. I can try and find a link to the recent study complete with radio imaging if you'd like. But I'm glad your giving yours such a good life. 🥰

Agreed

That's so cute and wholesome

That kid is gonna have an awesome childhood

They didn't even mean to make them. They absolutely won't breed them.

@@seofra8252 unfortunately we can't be 100% certain their future owners won't breed them if these guys don't keep them. I trust their vetting process but I'm always cynical about these things I'll admit

@@RPEliott Do they vet potential buyers?

@@laikaaardwolf3177 i’ve heard them say in past videos they only sell snakes with minor tail kinks/blemishes to non breeders, so i do believe they vet buyers

Omg yes, this! All of it. That darker spider is gorgeous 😍

I own a spider mohave he has a pretty noticable wobble but he eats great and explore and look as happy as like my regular ball python. He wobbles mostly when he gets excited (food) or scared (me moving something or à drop of water touching him randomly) I dont think they should be bred but i think they can live à very good life!

My friend's girl Bea doesn't seem to have a wobble, and she's about four. I don't know if he got lucky or what, because she doesn't appear to have issues, or if she does, they're not particularly noticeable.

same i didn't know that the bumblebee morph was a combo of spider this explanes my ball python's issus

@@boxpine8323 they are awfully cute snakes tho I feel horrible about this issue that bumblebees have 😢

I highly recommend GoHerping’s video on spider ball pythons, a lot of people try to make that argument that “oh well they’re not all that bad so it’s fine to breed them” but I don’t think it’s fair to the animals for us to keep rolling those dice with their health and well-being.

Aww, that's so nice

yeah that is really nice@@Suemk1963

you are so kind

ok

I don't understand why they're breeding snakes to begin with. Aren't they completely swamped with rescues? Every reptile channel I've seen is over whelmed with rescues..

Yes!!!

They definitely will have the neuro issue. It just depends on severity between animals. Some can have it really bad like topsyy yurvy and some may not show issues at all. But the carry it nonetheless. ❤

They will because it's part of the morph unfortunately, can't have the pattern without the issues

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I really agree! This is a super useful guide/comment- thank you! I think it’s important for them to talk abt it as large RU-vidrs and breeders And they may not even know everything you’ve put here since this is their first Ball python clutch!

Totally agree! I'm still doing my research but the more I learn, the more I can't comprehend how people continue to breed these morphs just because they look pretty. I've noticed on MorphMarket that there is a warning for morphs that might have wobbles (I noticed specifically for the woma because I didn't know they had the wobble)

I didn't know about all these morphs that had problems, I feel bad for everyone expect the breeders who know

Do you happen to have a link for the source material about the ear canal malformation study/info?

^^^^ I would like to read that too!

I was also really worried about that!

I'm glad that you were able to educate yourself on it, and willing to deal with his extra needs! The thing that I don't understand is why those breeders put so much effort into breeding these Spiders when it would be in their better interests to breed for a morph that looks similar, but without the problems. If I recall correctly, the Bamboo morph presents very similar, yet there's not a single wobble among them. Why defend the unethical production of them, when they could simply switch what they are producing?

@@warriormaiden9829 Yeah it does seem weird that they continue to breed them, especially when there seems to be no way to fix the genetic flaw. I mean if the morph was able to be het then maybe there could be something to work with. But if the snake can only be spider or not then I don't see how there could be any way to fix it.

Do they know what causes the neurological disorder

This is a whole essay

I love the name of your snake. My nickname is Noodles funnily enough. Ive noticed recently that there are quite a lot of people out there that have a snake called Noodles somewhere in their collection.. I love it. X

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Wobble noodle

@@squishyboi1179 Woodle Noodle

Wait so I saw that the spider morph babies weren't moving and looked dead. Did they die on their own?

​@@Sage_WC no, they're just not moving like how all of them weren't moving when they were moved to their bins

I can tell you about one moprh that has a higher risk of issues, but doesn't always produce any. It's the Palmetto morph in corn snakes, basically blue eyed leucistic but with little freckles of color. There tends to be a higher risk of snakes having "bug eyes" aka the eyes bulge out of the skull a bit too much. So, you need a reputable breeder who doesn't breed any corn snake that show "bug eyes"

Thank you! I looked up this morph and goodness theyre pretty! Glad to know more about them too. If i ever see any of these beauties ill know what to look out for there! @@idiotically-everything

I agree about education! I just bought my first snake ever-a pastel lesser spider-not knowing about the spider morph wobble (newbie here!). I was watching him last night and noticed he moved super strange while exploring his tank. I’ve now done my research, and while I still absolutely love him and will make sure to give him a good happy home, I wish the breeder would have told me about it when I bought him last weekend at the expo.

Pinstripe, Cinnamon, and Champagne are some examples of morphs that have health issues like the Spider morph.

⁠@@idiotically-everything do you know anything about Kenyan sand boa morphs? I’m looking into getting one for me and my kids, we’re thinking of a paradox snow Kenyan sand boa. I know quite a bit about that breed but not that particular morph. It’s just the one that we like. I’ve had a corn snake before and have been around snakes but honestly the different morphs confuse me because there are so many

Plus there are similar morphs such as bamboo that have reduced patterns and lack the neurological issues the spiders and champagnes do.

Snake Discovery is one of the biggest reptile channels on youtube. I would like them to keep one or both of the spiders and keep an unbiased documentation on them as well. People should know about these bad morphs.... Humans already messed up making flat-faced dogs and munchkin cats... this needs to stop. I worry that someone may buy these spider babies in the interest of breeding them. I know Emily said she'd make sure they went to GOOD homes, but people can lie. Or, maybe in years, this good home has to rehome the spider for one reason or another, you just never know. The last thing I want is for their painkiller induced mistake to result in even MORE spider babies, and the only way to guarantee there's no more spiders from these two babies is for them to take responsibility for these two babies and keep them. It's not like I'm angry or going to cancel snake discovery or anything. It was an understandable mistake, but a mistake should be made right. The only way to truly guarantee these two spider babies don't have more babies in the future is for snake discovery to keep them, unless there's a way to "fix" snakes like we do to cats and dogs lol.

@@midnightsan9917 but even if there weren't similar morphs, it's horrible either way to produce unhealthy animals (we don't even know if they suffer or not) just for a pretty pattern.

@@andreil1313 ?? We know that spiders have the wobble and I agree that its a bad thing but bamboo morphs don't have the wobble and have a similar pattern reduction thing going on.

@@midnightsan9917 Yes I know? What I meant is that even if there wasn't a similar (healthy) pattern to choose instead of Spiders, Spiders shouldn't be produced anyway. Regardless if there's already something similar or not .

ITS THE ORPHANAGE CLUTCH!!!

Bump!

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What is a pastel special?

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@@sombrs44 Both pastel and special are incomplete dominant traits that affect the coloration of the animal.

there are a lot videos talking about spider ball pythons if snake discovery doesn't end up doing a video about it. it's definitely a controversal topic

You're like me! I knew squat and hated reptiles but got pulled in by Brian Barczyk. His channel led me here as well as several other very reputable folks. I now realize I was just ignorant to how cool reptiles really are.

Replace ink cartridge now.

Out of blue ink.

@@Mr_BrokenKeyboard8064 Need black ink

? What does that mean?

@@karynzimmermann3705 when a printer runs low on ink, the print outs get more and more faded. The puppies look like they have less and less color.

I have a couple of married friends that are Charlotte and Luke. Love the name idea.

If one is female and one is male.😉 I love the references, too!

Plus bamboo morphs exist and present pretty similarly. They don't have neurological issues so personally it's not even worth aesthetics anymore

Yup, I have three and one of them only shows a mild head tilt when my husbandry is off or when something startles her. Having said that, I'm sure Ed and Emily's husbandry is spot-on, so Topsy Turvy's case is pretty extreme.

@@katydidd6321 Also, it's worth mentioning that wobble can have different presentations and it's a paradoxical trait, so you don't get strictly Mendelian inheritance patterns. Two ultra-low-wobble Spider morphs can produce an EXTREMELY wobbly baby, and vice versa. Generally speaking, high-wobble snakes struggle with things like feeding, though, so the trend is towards high-wobble babies not surviving for long.

@@Abigail-hu5wf Yes, that is true. However, there are other perspectives on this. I come from a long family history of dog and horse breeders and I can say for sure that a lot of good work has been done to breed out genetic issues with those animals. A *lot*. Its very much downplayed and ethical breeders are all but forgotten because there's so much press focused on unethical breeders (as there should be) and of the success rates that breeders have enjoyed in breeding out defects - yes, I am of course aware that there are unscrupulous dog and horse breeders out there, but they get a reputation very quickly and are weeded out. If its possible to breed out defects in dogs and horses, then why shouldn't we try to breed healthier bp morphs (spider is not the only morph that has issues but its the only one that gets people so worked up which is odd to me)? Is there something that I'm not aware of going on with reptile genetics thats different from mammal genetics? On a side note: I don't actually breed my spiders, so there is no worry about this on my end of things. I'm simply curious because I've been keeping pet reptiles (mostly snakes including ball pythons) for probably about 20 years give or take, and I'm fascinated by the differences between the two groups.

yep. we had bought a normal at an expo and then when we were ready for a second, we stumbled upon a spider morph rescue. while our (eventually 2) snake(s) were in glass tanks, he was in a tub and was minimally handled, usually only to check for stuck shed/weight/and moving him to clean the tub. it helped his wobble SO much

​@Katy Didd ..... you are right on about the breeding. I'm a retired dog breeder. I have been training and showing dogs for 48 yrs. I mentored with a breeder who had been breeding for over 25 years. After years of learning from her, she helped me get set up, gave me a couple female pups and teens as a co/owner . I raised, trained, xrayed and dna tested them. With the DNA tests that are available and if breeders would stop focusing on mass production, take their time to study the bloodlines and don't breed something that isn't up to breeding standards, just because they bought it, theyhavea goodchanceof havinghealthy pups. .. Have a standard and stick to it no matter what. Don't ever give in to temptation and breed an animal that isn't the quality in health or temperament that is the model of the standard. It sucks to take a hit on an animal you planned on breeding and couldn'tbecause it carrieda gene you didnt want, but in the long run, your reputation and buyer loyalty is important. To have that, you have to breed only healthy animals. You have to keep in your head that your goal is to better the breed, not get rich. You get enjoyment from the pups and your dogs. Plan on working your butt off for puppy breath kisses. We bred Imported German Shepherds. Since German Shepherds have a reputation for having so many health and sometimes temperament problems, we couldn't budge on our beliefs. I knew of people in my state that would run adds on Craigslist or asking someone at the dog park (eww) for stud service. They weren't checking hips/elbows, doing any DNA tests, having blood testing for STD's before natural breeding. All they care about is if the other dog was registered with AKC. Big deal!!! These people weren't wormings pups, doing vet checks or vaccinations, screening buyers. They just want to make money. They breed every cycle. So mom is completely worn out and unhealthy. They aren't mass production puppy mills, they are crappy back yard breeder. They buy the cheapest dog food, nothing is clean and you will be sorry you bought that pup because it will cost you in vet bills. Then there are people like one classroom mom. "I want my kids to experience puppies being born". The kids got grossed out, she had no idea what she was doing, didn't realize how messy pups get and ended up taking 3 pups to the shelter. Jeeze. I warned her not to breed her dog. Later I tried to give her help just so the pups would stay healthy but she refused to listen. These are also the type of people that start getting rid of pups at 4-5 weeks old because it's to much work or the pups are to loud. We actually have a state law that says pup have to be with mom until they are 8 wks old and just like livestock, if any cross state lines, they need a Department of Agriculture health certificate from a certified veterinarian. But they don't get inspected so they break these laws. They would be in trouble if the inspector showed up!!!😮 This country already has a puppy mill problem but the not very smart backyard breeder just adds to it. I had haters get after me because I was a breeder but I felt that people deserved the opportunity to have a dog and know that it was healthy and had a sound temperament.

You sound like you know so much! The cat toy thing is definetely a cool idea, Ill probably try it out myself. But what Im wondering is the water part. I have a ball python and he dispises getting wet. He only ever drinks from it or like well, falls in his bowl while climbing. Ive never seen him volunatarly soak and his terrarium is in my room so I probably would have noticed. So I wanted to ask, how specifically do you give them the water. Maybe im doing something wrong here.

@@lady_apocalypse178 ​​⁠ maybe your guy’s the odd one out for water loving? Don’t try to force something by adding more of what he dislikes because you read a comment on RU-vid lol

​@@lady_apocalypse178 there's always an odd one lol but maybe the water is too cold, make sure it's in a warm spot and your warm side is hot enough, if it's not an issue try using the bathtub with even warmer (but not hot) water with a dry spot like how op does and see if he changes his mind. If not I guess you just got a little waterphobic noodle🤷🏻‍♀️

@@lady_apocalypse178 mine used to have a big water dish and never used it to soak, either. He prefers a humid hide over swimming, but still appreciates the occasional spa day when he makes a huge mess of his enclosure. Sometimes I'm worried he will connect the dots as he's happily relaxing in the sink and will make more work for me intentionally. 😛 But he also loves a 70F ambient temp with a 85F hot spot. They're funny little critters with different personalities and we sometimes get a weird one.

Do you want a kitten

Ball Python: I Am ball! I live as ball!

I absolutely LOVE this comment

Golf time!

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@@Shadowanimates4444 I was the last three >:3

Hiya! I own three spider complex snakes: 2 spiders, and 1 hidden gene woma which is allelic with the spider gene. Personally, my snakes are actually fine with only one of them showing a slight head tilt when my husbandry is off or when she is startled by something. There are a few cases in which the wobble is as pronounced as the spider in this video, but mine eat well and behave like normal ball pythons - just my experience. The wobble is not actually caused by a neurological defect, but an inner ear one - over 20 years ago I had heard that their lower jaws were connected to their inner ears and that they "hear" vibrations picked up by their lower jaws resting on the ground, from MRI's it looks as though there is some merit to that rumor and it wouldn't surprise me if its true because our "hearing" is also vibrational despite "sound" being delivered via the outer ear. A recent study has been completed in which it was discovered through MRI imaging that the sacculus and semicircular canal in their inner ears are misshapen, resulting in some spider complex animals having issues with equilibrium. If you'd like, I can try to link you to the study (sometimes youtube doesn't allow that but I can at least dig it up and give you the title)?

You can find out a lot from nerd their the ones who originally discovered the breed

Agreed! Also, I want to know more about how others are trying to improve the morf

@@katydidd6321 i would love to read the study about this!

@@madamslothyou can’t improve the morph. It can’t be bred out.

I'm like that with wild type corns and milk snakes. I don't want albinos or anything, just give me those beautiful warm colors!

I have to agree. Of the many many ball pythons I’ve had over the years, three stand out. Jake, a normal; Ari, a normal; and Evan, a Pastel Pinstripe (Lemonblast). Lemonblast is my favorite color morph but normals are pretty beautiful.

I agree! The morphs are gorgeous and I'd love to have one someday, but I have 2 female normals (Tonks and Ana Gwyn) and I think they're both gorgeous. Just classy and classic.

Yeah from all of the morphs shown in this video, the normal is my favorite. Pastel is close 2nd.

OMG, same!!!!!🤣

Same😂

Omg how same😂

Same! 😂

rip bro

Love the name skittles for a rosy boa! It’s so funny. I love it.

Silence btw rosey have teath I learnt that picking up my little brother out of it cage because he wanted to hold it and it already bit my mom and dad before

@@Et20220 bro, do you think they don’t know?? Almost all snakes have teeth, the exception being egg eating snakes

@CalliePlayz I didn't mean it like that

@@Et20220 bro.. you know that this person has done research? Everyone does research before even getting a snake!

Spider is a dominant gene so it can’t be “hidden” in genetics.

Anyone curious about the spider debate I always point them to Clint’s Reptiles video and Kevin McCurley’s video on it. He developed the gene and adores his animals, and Clint is a zoologist and very ethical keeper. They do t have an issue with the coloration and I do t really either they’re super cute

There are people working on breeding the neurological disorder out of the snake, probably kevin mccurly now that i think about it. So hopefully one day we can have spiders that dont have the wobble so we can have a beautiful morph without the problems it has

@@annikkirahko6714 Kevin made money from them, and Clint regularly shares false or outdated information in his videos. Neither are reputable in this topic.

topsy turvy and the hottie he pulled by being neurologically impaired

They did have one when it was revealed that a certain reptile channel was purposefully breeding spider ball pythons. Many other reptile RU-vid channels made videos denouncing the practice and so did Snake Discovery but their video was deleted, I assume they didn't want to seem controversial.

"That's the baby snake water"

Same! Been watching for 3-4 years now, and I'm sitting on tenterhooks until they say it. It's kind of become a stamp of their hatching videos, and I've noticed a couple other responsible YT breeders picking it up. I hope it sticks around and spreads!

Oh dats wut the spooder had to do with da snek-

@@Shadowanimates4444this is the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever read

It isn’t 2020 anymore

@@solis7668 Wrong reply? I am talking about a snake's coat pattern/color name possibility associated with the snake in this video.. nothing year related.

⁠@@DubstequtieI was talking to the person using “snek” and “spooder” did you not see me @‘ing them?

It worries me tho bc even here ppl wanna "work on the wobble" and comparing it to dogs and cats... We breed dogs and cats too look a certain way and nobody cares that that poor pug is going to have breathing issues, or that Persian cat has a cleft palate bc of his breed standard smushed face, or that Scottish fold will have painful joint issues, or that corgi is going to have hip and spine issues. Like we just accept that that's part of the breed bc "well it's cute, and it's here already, this one needs a home!"

Haha I did too momentarily forgetting why they're called ball pythons I just saw spider morphs not moving and was like oh no was it so severe that they expired soon after coming out of the egg 😅 nope just ball pythons being little ball pythons

Same! I thought it was gonna be "wanna talk about these two" "yeah they didn't make it😭" and instead it was "they are all healthy so far but we have to watch them and see"

given topsy turvy's own visible genetics i can't say for certain banana bread fathered any kids topsy might've fathered them all and just rolled 2 spiders in the whole clutch, wouldn't be the first snake discovery clutch to pull weird odds and the genetic lottery

@@prcervi spider is a dominant trait so all the babies would have been spider if they were all Topsy's babies.

@@midnightsan9917 Super Spider (2 copies of the gene) is a lethal combo, so far as has been determined. So any living Spider only has 1 copy of the Spider gene. This means that while it shows in any who inherent the gene, there's only a 50/50 chance for it to pass, because the Spider parent still has the normal non-Spider gene as well (one copy of each). "Dominant" only means it requires just one copy for full expression. It does not mean that it magically results in an unpaired allele (which, by the way, would result in silencing of the allele if it were unpaired, rather than a guarantee of passing onto offspring). "Co-dominant" refers to expression being only partial if there is just one copy.

@@midnightsan9917 it's a co dominate gene, if it's there it'll show but if it isn't there doesn't mean the parent wasn't

​@@midnightsan9917 Topsy only has one copy of the spider gene, so it's 50-50 whether it's passed on. Snakes who inherit two copies of the gene don't even survive to hatch.

Dude I wish my body reacted like that to Oxycodone. I have fibromyalgia, Ehlers danlos syndrome, and frequently get kidney stones (more painful than child birth) and on a drip at the hospital for it it isn’t enough to knock out all that pain and doesn’t make me that loopy, I’m 20

@Emmett Howell I'm 22 now (23rd year), and I still remember feeling the pain, but just being so out of it that I was barely ever continuous. I did just recently get diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and severe hypermobility but the back pain is due to that as well as an injury as a child. I never want oxygen again, morphine also doesn't work for me so it can be a pain to get proper pain medications when I'm in a hospital as I'm not allowed to jave any NSAIDS either.

@@blairberry6257 I have that kind of reaction to morphine, plus open and close eyed hallucinations. I can’t have NSAIDS either and even so it’s like water to me . Typically I’m given hydromorphone (dilaudid) in hospitals and hydrocodone/acetaminophen (Vicodin) for outpatient stuff but 3 times daily take Tizanidine, but none fully get rid of my pain but make it more manageable/bearable. I hope you are doing as well as you can with managing your pain

Oxy is as far as I know a morphin derevation and highly addicting. Now, I know pain after an operation sucks - badly! I had two in the last 12 months and even in fairly painful areas with multiple weeks healing time each. It is doable on Ibuprofin with some additional metamizol in case for the worst days. If possible and with your doctors opinion given, always try to go for something non addicting. So many people get tied to the drugs and that rabbit hole is one risky slippery slide.

@@emmetthowell899 I'm sorry that you are saddeld with all that. I hope you will find a pain managment therapy that works for you. Concerning the Oxy: like all meds the body sadly gets used to it and it becomes less effectiv over time. I hope you have a trustworthy physician who can look into alterntivs for treatment - be it another type of drug or some regime that might help lessen the pain. If I'm not mistaken EDS is a form of hypermobility - and I am in the same boat there at now age 28. Last year I was mostly immobile because of another acute issue not tyied to the hypermobility. But whilst I don't know your exact pain I do feel you and feel for you. My leg joints are basically all dead and destabilze way to quick at any second. The amount of times when walking normally becomes falling on my face with strechtched or ripped tendons is not funny anymore. Currently working on building up muscles in hope that does something. I am not saying that sports is the cure all. But not doing sports certainly worsend my stability. Best of luck to you!

All spiders have neurological issues, and even if they don't present right away, they'll develop eventually.

@@Ostara2024They don’t have neuro issues, it’s physiological. The “wobble” comes from a inner ear bone issues.

If you look at when I posted my reply, it was right around the time when that was discovered. At the time I posted my reply, it was thought to be neuro issues.@@acrylicabyss

@@acrylicabyss Wobble syndrome is a neurological disease, please do not spread misinformation..

True, if people stop buying them, breeders won't produce them anymore. I once asked a breeder why was he producing spiders, the answer was "because they sell". So there's that..

Exactly! What I don't understand is why those breeders put so much effort into breeding these Spiders when it would be in their better interests to breed for a morph that looks similar, but without the problems. If I recall correctly, the Bamboo morph presents very similar, yet there's not a single wobble among them. Why defend the unethical production of them, when they could simply switch what they are producing?

@@warriormaiden9829 because before the others morph even normal ball python would just die upon arrival or after been hatch .it took years to be able to have viable ball python that last 30 years + instead of a couple months! Really bad case of any deformation is culled out. what you see on RU-vid is people adopting spider that should have been cull but backyard breeder doesn't care and still sold the animal .it could be also cause by bad care that manifest the wobble on healthy spider! Same for colubrid albino would have just die but breeder keep breeding healthier and better specimen and now they are 100% fine. Hopefully one day we will find a cure to wobble!

With this morph it's even worse than with dogs. With dogs you can have all breeds without health issue because the issue comes from overbreeding not the breed itself, but with those snakes it's not overbreeding. All snakes with this morph will have that problem.

@Schrödingers Katze At this point, even pugs from reputable breeders have trouble breathing because of their smashed faces. It's become an inherent trait of the breed. I get that the spider gene can't be bred out while that smashed face of pugs can, but both issues can be avoided by not breeding for that specific trait.

​@@schrodingerskatze4308I mean for dogs, it's been so long it's kind of at the point where the issues have been bred into a new morph that is now accepted as part of the breed. So... Let's not do that here 😂