Just a stupid thing. The name of Nico Hulkenberg has in real a Umlaut, which he omits now for practical reasons. This comes exactly to light when you guys put the double points above the u. The Umlaut are two vertical short strips, not dots. just for info
no, zhou donated his engine to the Ukraine army to fend off Russia then a shady character bribed the team to make Zhou driving backwards for 10 laps straight costing him 59 seconds. The seagull incident you said is only a few percent in Zhou's total time lost. Without those time lost he still wouldn't win because he would give Russell some weight and let him win the race while he humbly takes second.
me too, but I'm not sure if he will be that much more emotional. The more I watch him, the more he's becoming Aussi Raikönnen to me. The Icemate. (Not quiet as "I don't care, leave me alone", but probably as close as Australians can get to being Finnish :D)
Semi off topic but can we appreciate how big this channel has gotten in just 1 and a half years of existing? They're getting bit sponsors every video, they're invited to F1 events, etc. Crazy growth given it's just 2 people in these videos 99% of the time
Matt and Tommy deserve every success! I love these guys. I was shocked that they're doing a "tour" of shows in the USA. I would go, but none of the shows are remotely close to me.
Woah what? I have been watching for almost a year and a half. I thought they must have been going for years. They never had the nervous self consciousness of new creators in any videos I have seen.
Thing is, they have been doing this for longer under another mantra. They previously worked for WTF1 (Tommy founded it) but they chose to leave and do this themselves
The thing is, they really should inform themselves sometimes before they make the rating. It´s not that hard to inform themselves whether a driver had technical issues or not and thus adjust their rating.
Now hear me out….. ITS AN OPINION 🤷♂️. You don’t have to agree with them. I’m just glad there is a good team like Matt and Tommy out there creating content for us to consume and enjoy
@@maxvandoorn3799the thing is you should really know it just their opinions and that it’s not that serious … it’s not that hard to grasp that concept
@@twanvanderdonk2504 Yes but he started far out of position so he was racing a bunch of backmarkers whose cars have too much of a pace disadvantage in general. And his good strategy helped him overtake 1-2 people as well. He drove really really well all things considered but Oscar had to overtake an equally fast, if not faster, car.
@@twanvanderdonk2504 he was behind one Mercedes because it gained 20 seconds ish from a one stop strat. The other Mercedes had waaaaay more laps with clean air than Oscar and still won by less than the time Oscar lost with a mistake in the pits.
Yes, you're right. Cause he probably would've won the race had he not attempted to unalive his jackman. That cost him 2+ seconds in the box. Lost the race by less than that. Plus, he probably would've got Leclerc a lap earlier, too.
That is true, Oscar is going to be a special driver one day soon. However, we must remember that, until late last year, Lando had never been given a car that was capable of competing with the top teams on a regular basis.
Oscar has massively outscored Lando in the last four races but equally worrying for Lando fans is he has outscored him over the last 8 races. This is not a glitch it is a pattern.
8/10 for Verstappen is wild, qualifying he dunked on the field and he dragged the 3rd quickest car on the day from 11th to 4th whilst his teammate went from 2nd to 8th... What would have warranted a 10? Him winning? He doesn't have the fastest car anymore and its time to actually start recognising it
It wasn't the 3rd quickest car, it was the 2nd. He just didn't have clean air, just like the Mclaren car. His pole lap was great , but wasn't like biblical. He dunked 6 tenths on Perez, on the wet with used tires. Perez sucks at qualy ( for his entire carrer), isn't great on the wet and did his time with used tires. If Perez got 3rd, Redbulls had not only many pace, but chose a qualy set up. Lewis lap was as impressive as Max (dunking 4 thents on Russell is better than dunking 6 on Perez). Leclerc lap was the most impressive one.
The Sauber team told Zhou and Bottas to eat shit after China, and it's pretty obvious that Bottas is still trying to find a drive elsewhere, while Zhou looks completely destroyed. They took the soul from that boy. Last year he was mostly just unlucky, competing heavily with Bottas and providing decent results in a shitbox. Now he looks like he's struggling to get out of bed each morning.
What did I miss from Leclerc? He gets a 10 for qualifying 0.6 seconds behind Max, and finishing 1 place ahead of him despite Max's 10 place grid penalty. I know the Ferarri isn't great, but neither is the RB at this time...
I do think both drivers should be a 9. But still that Ferrari is considerably slower than the others. Minimum 2 tenths a lap slower especially on lower fuel. Yes the Red Bull isn't great but it is still good enough to finish ahead of the McLarens and mercs if driven at a 9-10/10 level, the Ferrari isnt usually. But because Charles started on pole and max p11 it gave him the ability to finish ahead of the much faster cars. And now I am starting to think Charles is a 10 but certainly no lower than a 9, which is the same for max. Minimum 9 for each. But then again they are more often than not 2 of the best on the grid so it's not really a surprise
You missed the fact that Lec is old mate’s favourite driver. Other than that it’s classic commentator bias where they always rate whichever driver is in the fastest car. Everyone looks like a 10/10 generational talent when their car is a second a lap faster than everyone else.
You're missing your own point. Clearly the RB isn't slow if Max was able to get pole by 0.5* seconds. Charles was being hunted down by Lando and Max who were both in the drs in the last 8-10 laps, and Charles was able to defend from them, even though he had worse tyres than both of them. The Ferrari is still CLEARLY the 4th best car
@@RohanFernandez11 Clearly, rain is the great equalizer where it's more about the driver than the car. Clearly the RB was the 3rd fastest car, Clearly overtaking was harder at Spa with the shorter DRS. Clearly Max set u p made it also harder to overtake cause it wasn't quick enough on the straights.....🤷♂️
genuinely don’t know what you think max could have done to get a 10 or even a 9, the man dominated qualifying and moved up seven places in arguably the third fastest car that weekend, an 8 is wild
@@iwantmybed3090 It seems strange that Leclerc gets a 9 and 10 for coming in second at qualifying and 3rd in the race, while Verstappen came in first in qualifying and gained multiple places it what was a car close to equivalent to Leclerc's. Ratings are always partly based on expectations and emotions. That's why Russell got a ten, and Verstappen an eight. A lot of people feel bad for George and unimpressed by Max's result while Leclerc's similar result in an about similar car is felt as more impressive since Leclerc's recent results haven't jaded people as much. That's just how ratings go. Overall matt and Tommy are significantly better then most in rating drivers, but the strength of the podcast is how entertaining they are, their explanations and banter make it entertaining even if we as a public don't always agree on the exact number they give each driver. The numbers given out by people rating drivers would probably be more accurate if everyone gave it a couple weeks to let the emotions die down but who would still watch or read them then? In the end does the one or two point difference really matter that much?
Thanks for this. Now who is the fanboy! Giving Charles the same average rate as Russell seems criminal..but he had a few shitty races. I prefer Tommys rating
@@askeladden450Imo, I think Oscar has been more impressive than Lando. Given that it’s only his 2nd season as well. Between those four (George, Charles and the McLarens) I’d say it’s: Russell Piastri Leclerc Norris
@@gameofender4463 Oscar has been very impressive, but we are rating their performances so experience is irrelevant. There have been too many races where he has been too slow compared to lando (tyre management issues which he is improving upon). Sure, he has more potential than lando, and maybe even charles or george, but we have to rate them based on current performances
Max still has a better car than Leclerc by some margin, so fair call! Did you not see how dominant that car was in quali? Of course it was gonna be fast in the race! Perez even managed to qualify in the top 3 in that thing!
@@venorando3672the implication that Max being fast on a wet spa correlating to a hot and dry spa seems a tad short sighted, you’re also forgetting Max started 10 places back. It’s a Leclerc bias but what else would we expect, and do we blame them!
@@venorando3672 I just believe Max did an outstanding job on race day going up 7 positions with a car they have said is performing poorly compared to McLaren and Mercedes currently and in a track that they've said is very hard to overtake. By their own comments, Verstappen, should be rated higher than LeClerc. IMO, they both did an oustanding job given their conditions and both deserve a 10.
Imo max was a 9, Red Bull were the fastest car in the wet and just as fast as the McLaren and Mercedes in the dry but obv the penalty held him back from finishing higher
@@10parth10 McLaren probably had a qualy set-up that was more built for dry conditions, I think that's why Oscar and Lando were low, but I haven't seen any information backing that up. Leclerc does deserve a 9. Oscar was clearly the better driver on the day, which is why I don't get the whole "losing 2 positions in the 3rd/4th best car is more impressive than gaining 3 positions in the 1st/2nd best car"
8 out of 10 for max is wild.. the man out qualified everyone by a futbol field. And in the race he dragged that car to only a few seconds off the lead.
How can you possibly go for 8 for Max? Qualifies 0.6s ahead of everyone, goes from P11-P4 in a car that his teammate went from P2-P8 and he gets an 8. Are you working for those Aramco rankings? I really don't understand the thought process
Because ultimately he couldn't go much further then that and would have been P5 without the George DSQ. Just because Perez went P2 to P8 doesn't mean the car is bad and has no pace, it's still one of the fastest on the grid.
How Piastri gets a 9 and Russell a 10 when Russell under delivered during the qualifying? Are you only rating the races now? I believe a 10/10 is only when you overdrove your car on Saturday and Sunday. Apart from Charles and Lewis, none of the top team drivers were a perfect 10.
I think when you mess up qualifying but do a legendary drive on sunday you should still get 10/10. I mean nobody even expected the guy to be anywhere near the podium let alone win
Giving George a 10 is a bit much. I get the need to give him credit for his strategy call but he qualified P7 and was nowhere in the race prioir to his call. Are we not factoring in any of that?
@@deeznoots6241 The call he made led to too much weight loss through tire wear, plus his driving causing larger then expected plank wear were the main reason his car was underweight. While it is a heart breaking disqualification especially because he was already on the podium and received the trophy you can't simply applaud the positives of that call, and ignore the negatives. People are really letting their empathy for Russell losing what looked like a beautiful win from the outside color their perception of what actually happened.
@@Ernstvdbosch What you aren't factoring in is that his team allowed him to make that call, if they had of done their jobs properly and gave him all the relevant information he could've made a different decision. You are trying really hard to take away a great race from George for some strange reason.
Winning a race should always be a 10 in my opinion, regardless of qualifying. And even if he was disqualified it was such fine margins and a hard fought race it shouldn’t matter
I mean George did a very good job. But there were a lot of factors that helped George win. He would have needed less plank wear, 2 stop and lift and coast to even stay over the minimum weight. So in no way would he have actually been in the fight for the win. The weight might not seem like it’s affecting lap time a lot but the strategy changes completely.
@@jetia7100 The weight difference made no difference to his strategy. They've crunched the numbers. But I see you're an LH dreadlock sniffer, so...enjoy your delusions!
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 It made the difference between coming first over the line or third, but also between his car being legal or not. You can't say the first bit counts and the latter doesn't. Matt's protestations that 0.05 seconds a lap extra is so tiny it shouldn't count is a little strange as it's more then the difference he had in time per lap between the second and third over the line. They (and many others) are really letting their empathy for a driver who lost a win through a heartbreaking disqualification color their score. Understandable, but the advantage wasn't inconsequential and the strategy call leading to extra tire weight loss, and driving in such a way to lead to excessive plank wear were in George his direct control as a driver. So the upside of his actions gave him a big enough advantage to change the outcome of the race, but the downsides is that he caused himself a disqualification. You can't just point to one half of the equation when evaluation the whole performance. If he had gotten a puncture due to tire wear this would be felt naturally to everybody as a consequence and be included automatically. But because the consequences became only after the ceremony and was communicated by an authority on the outside of the actions people naturally see it as significantly more unfair and unnatural. But in an evaluation of his actual driving it counts as exactly the same. He took a risk that could have gone amazingly but ultimately backfired.
george finished 1.5 under the weight limit, while lewis finished 1 kg above, meaning a net difference of 2.5 kg, which amounts to a tenth gained per lap, and 4.4 seconds gained minimum over the race distance (this doesn't account for decreased tyre wear, improved balance, less load through corners, lighter car through elevation changes, etc., so prob even more)
I'd say Max should still get a 9. In the last 8-10 laps he was in the drs and at one point the gap to Charles was 0.100 seconds. So i think that's why Max should get a 9 and Charles get a 10
@@RohanFernandez11 Norris was also in the DRS zone, so he couldn't do any overtake in which he loses too much. There is a chance if Charles can counter after the exit that he loses the place to Norris. If Max did something aggressive and lost the position, 90% of the F1 fans would've been on his ass, calling him names and giving him a 5 or less.
@@RohanFernandez11 Max doesn't care about what anyone here says, but be honest with me: if he made an aggressive move, with Norris also .05 behind, banged wheels with Leclerc and lost the place to Norris, you wouldn't have been pleased with it either?
I'm always pointing out when Daniel has issues (in like 80% of races) so I should also point out that Yuki had mechanical issues too this weekend, I'm not sure they've both had a problem free weekend running the same strategy this season.
This is by far my favorite way to get f1 info. You guys are the best! I like how this channel is fun while also giving reasonable analysis. Channels like The Race seem to have gotten so dramatic.
Season is starting to remind me of 2009. The Red Bull like Brawn gets a massive head start and then all the other team catch and pass, but Max keeps popping in decent results while other teams take the point ts off each other.
I mean Russell qualified almost 4 tenths off of Lewis and the only reason he went on the one stop which was the good strategy was because he was nowhere in the race. He did make it work though , which was brilliant but he doesn’t deserve more than a 9 for his weekend as a whole
@@venorando3672I agree I think someone made the computations he needs to score 10+ points in every race than max to win so yeah I agree maybe next year.
I really like the series. It gives me a broader, more accessible overview than anything else available to me. Highlights, interviews, team radio and onboards only get a small slice each, and don't have much context or commentary. The technical dives and analysis vids give great context and depth but they are sporadic and frequently narrow. Meme reviews do a good job of hitting the top narratives and the fan reactions, but they ignore the rest of the grid. News videos are ok but they are just about the one news item. In this series I can find out what actually happened in the race to all of the drivers/teams and how that fits in with trends and the broader picture.
The one major thing I find missing from the channel is a irreverent, non deferential, 'tell me how you really feel', candor (think RocketPoweredMohawk but less offensive and more consistent) but I also see how adding that wouldn't work with the tone of the channel and would kill your ability to get access to the drivers and otherwise engage with the F1 media machinery.
Giving Lewis and George the same mark is kind of unfair to be honest, cos Lewis did everything right, qualified 3-4 tenths ahead George. Was leading the race comfortably, but George drove a great race , defended well, but taking qualifying into account, i will give him a 9/10.
Lewis deserves a 9/10 for not attacking Russell. He drove like a number 2 at the end of the race. He had plenty of time and much better tyres. He should have gotten the pass done.
@@fiarandompenaltygeneratorm5044 I like Lewis. But he had every opportunity to overtake George. Like, yeah George’s car was 1.5kg underweight. But Lewis had much fresher tyres. So Lewis still had the advantage.
@@gameofender4463 but giving them the same grade is kind of unfair imo. George underperformed in qualy, something he has excelled at this year. Considering qualy, I will give George a 9, Lewis a 10. But it is what it is
Not bashing George but he had a poor qualifying session and he only ended up where he did because he did a one stop, he didn’t really race anyone, yeah he looked after his tyres but I’m pretty sure 90% of the grid would have been able to do that after gaining 20+ seconds of lap time by avoiding a stop!
@@leonie364. he said the engineers talked about it before the race, probably realised half way through it he pitted again he’s coming out 5th may as well stay out, I just can’t see where the amazing driving came from!? He drove well but as I say he had nothing to do really!
@@B88_f I'm a positive thinking person, so I'm more likely to praise people thab criticize them. Maybe you're the other way around? I loved his defense against Hamilton because he took various different lines that one would not expect but that surprisingly worked. and he's one of my favorite drivers, so I'm drfinitely biased haha :)
Hey fellas. Humble suggestion. It would be fantastic if we could see a trend line of your ratings for each driver over the course of the season. Cheers!
why yes russel did an amazing job, 1,5kg give ab a 0,045 second a lap advantage, which sounds like nothing but in a 44 lap race that equals 1,98 seconds in race time. which in theory would've put him in 3rd behind piastri. not trying to take anything away from george. just saying this to give some more perspective to the situation.
I love this series because it highlights the achievements (and failures) of drivers that maybe did not get much tv coverage or attention otherwise. Makes the race results feel more complete. ❤️
Am I the only one that feels that there's been so much going on in F1 recently it makes the race feel like it happened weeks ago. It's only been 4 days😭
Was another disappointing weekend from Norris. I don’t think he’s WDC material. I hope he can improve/prove me wrong. But imo, he’s like the Joey Wheeler of F1. (Yu-Gi-Oh reference). While Lewis & Max are like Yugi & Kaiba respectively. They’re just on a better level than Lando. George & Charles are easily on a better level than Lando too.
I respect the reference. I feel Lando is being judged a bit harshly but yeah I have to agree that Charles and George are just a cut above Norris at the moment.
A 10 for George? Tommy & Matt clearly don't pay attention. Lewis had a higher downforce setup which meant he was losing a few tenths in S1 & making that back in S2 before matching/slightly losing in S3, he got Leclerc but any of the top 3 cars would have been impossible without mistakes to pass. When George was discussing going to a 1 stop he dropped his lap time from mid 1m48s to mid 1m47s. That overdriving in the last 15 laps is why he wore down the tyres, his oil & his plank. Giving him anything above an 8 is just pure ignorance.
I believe that if you deliever on Sunday and absolutely make up for that bad qualifying, you should still be able to get a 10. That mistake is on Mercedes, not George. They could have veto'd that decision but they didn't, and the drivers don't have all the data.
I, for one, don't believe what Gasly said after the race... Whenever he finishes behind Ocon, he gives a different excuse every time as how the car was not reliable and losing 5s per lap etc.. He cannot accept that Ocon is performing better
Both of them keep trying way too hard to beat each other on the track.☠ But it does seem like Gasly is doing the job, given he has a point on his teammate as it stands currently.
@@Wolfywolf7 Qualifying: Gasly 14-8 Ocon; Race: Gasly 11-11 Ocon (not sure about when both drivers finished since ocon dnf'd 7 times and pierre dnf'd 3)
Good ratings though I keep thinking people are being harsh on Perez saying "oh he finished 7th/8th", there was more to it than that. He was on the M-M-H strategy which wasn't good for anyone who did it, they left him on the hards for too long of a final stint, he had clipping issues on the straight, and part of his lower finishing position was the team pulling him in for an extra stop to get fastest lap at the end (which he did get). It was a solid qualifying and a solid race in what was probably the 3rd fastest car given a duff strategy. I'd give him a 6.
it seems people never really pay attention to what is happening with Checo and only look at the result. M-M-H was terrible call and absolutely unnecessary when everybody else was doing MHM.
Disagree on Russel. Arguably his strategy caused the increase tyre wear or material loss in that case. So he picked the strategy, then didn’t make it work and got disqualified as a result. How is that anything other than a 0?
If Verstappen stays within 7 points behind Lando for each raceweekend for the rest of the season he wins the Driver's Championship. Even if VER won't win another race this year. First priority for him would be to win the race, second to stay in front of Lando and third stay within 7 points behind Lando.
F1 Driver Ratings is one of the best shows on the channel!!!! I truly enjoy your opinions and reasoning for your rankings, so please continue with this segment of the show!!!👍🏁
Perez...He finally had a race without a major incident. Max was out of contention, he started in front of almost everyone...but it just...wilted. I don't know how RB decided to keep him; everything went right, and he's barely walking away with points. I mean, Bearman, a driver who's struggling in F2, got a better race result with a worse start, reduced practice, no notice, on a new team, in a car class he's never raced in.
I don't think 1.5 kg is going to make the car much faster, but 1.5 kg does have a measurable effect on tire wear which could have made it easier for a 1 stop strategy. Was 1.5 kg lighter noticeable on track, yes but it's tiny, while a whole skipped pit stop shaves like 25 seconds off so yeah he definitely needed to be dq'd.
Please stop acting like Max's car is a piece of crap, he did qualify quite ahead of the field and even Perez had a good time. He doesn't have the crazy car advantage he did in the past years, but the car is still one of the best in the grid. Max is great, but his results are still impacted by the quality of the car like all other drivers: car with huge advantage + great driver, he wins; one of the best car + great driver, he needs to work harder for it and be able to hold the pressure of other drivers.
We love you guys! Not sure if this is the best way for some feedback but I'd love to know the fan's rating first to gain me some time as a viewer to think of my rating before hearing your opinions. Also add a tiny bit more suspense to your ratings. Just my two cents. Keep up this great segment! :)
Thank you for not desertting us buring the summer break 😘 Now Oscar has "poped his cherry" he's going from strenght to strenght so I hope Lando comes back charged and unstoppable
To be fair to Lando, his nan had died in the run up to this race which is probably why his mood was so low, and maybe why he just wasn't on it for the race. If it was you or I you'd be off work with bereavement but he doesn't get to do that, so he did well given the circumstances.
The issue with the weight I think is not related to the time per lap gained, which is marginal, is the pitstop avoided, he cut 22 sec from the race by not pitting, if he follow the traditional strategy he should have finish around P5, It was a risky bet but it paid dividends, but it is undeniable that the penalty was correct
In a funny way, Stroll probably could have been scored higher. This is the most you could have expected out of Stroll, this wasn't Stroll on a off day. I feel the rating for Norris was a bit too harsh, still deserved at least a 6 or maybe a 7 at most.
1,5 kilos is usually a 0,05s time gain per lap, spa being a longer track that would be somewhere around 0,07s over a race of 44 laps that is approx 3 seconds. That is not a lot and I’m rather sure it would not have changed the outcome. However it would have meant Hamilton catching russel about 3/4 laps earlier giving him 3/4 more runs down from turn 1 to overtake. All and all it is impossible to figure out.
28:40 that picture (and knowing the results) says all you need to know about 2024 Perez and this race of his. There he is, in front of the guy that got over the line first and the guy who started 9 places behind him in the same car.
Giving Perez a 4/10 is very generous the red bull was a rocket in qualifying but he still couldn’t beat leclerc and then dropped like a stone in the race despite it being very difficult to overtake
I really want to see team ratings, looking at strats etc. I feel the teams are the factor some of the drivers get poor ratings when it’s not the drivers fault. Just think it would be interesting to see!
Ocon should be a 10/10 just for that move alone on Bottas, one of the best moves this season imo, the commitment to keep is nose in there was unbelievable, me makes special moves around Spa and that’s been added to the collection
As an LH fan George def gets a 10. He just had a better final stint than Lewis and defended incredibly. He deserved it even if he was underweight. Obviously it deserves to be DQ'ed but he earned that win.
