OUR VISION OF HIP HOP WITHOUT KOOL HERC, BAMBAATAA & FLASH--THE FIGHTING GROUNDS PHASE VS JAZZY JAY 

Harry Pool ..word!! your correct.. we got a upcoming video about it

@@TheCulture..Since1971 the pictures and evidence is there. They would do covers of American songs up until recently

First of all, there was no such thing as FBA back in the 50's and 60's. That's a recent hate speech organization who copy and pasted their ideology from white nationalism. Black Americans? Yes. That is a linage. Now. Did Jamaicans do covers of American music? Yes, and they still do, but not just Black American music. Whatever is popular. But is Jamaican music an imitation of American music? No. It's not. Yes Jamaicans did listen to American R&B back in the 50's, but that's not all they listened to. They also were listening to Mambo and other Cuban music, they were listening to British tunes and they were also listening to our own folk variation of Calypso, Mento. Oh, and speaking of Calypso, they were listening to that too. Ska was not an imitation of R&B. The two sound nothing alike. It was a modernization of Mento music slowed down and played on electric instruments. Reggae music was the end stage evolution of Ska. The progression is Mento, Ska, Rock Steady, Reggae. Basically the music got progressively slower and slower. That back beat guitar strum that characterizes Reggae is the heart beat of Jamaican music. That's the Mento heart beat, it just kept getting slower and slower. Rastafarianism is a Jamaican grown religion that borrowed elements from Christianity, Hinduism and African revolutionary philosophies. The overwhelming majority of Jamaicans are NOT Rasta, they're mainstream Christians, mostly Protestant denominations followed by Catholics. Other thing, not all Reggae artists are Rasta. True Rasta music is Nayabingi and it's 100% spiritual mysticism, not entertainment. Now, to your last point about Hip-hop. I left Jamaica in 1976 and grew up in the Bronx, birth place of Hip-hop. What most people don't know is that we never called it Hip-hop. That's a term that was coined by the commercial music industry some time in the 80's. It evolved between the mid to late 70's. Years before the Bronx DJ party scene started to evolve that new way of playing music, Jamaicans had already started their own experimental music expression called Dub and RidHip-Hop and Dance Hall dominated dim. In the late 70's, 79 to 80, when the new Bronx music was finally being put on records, Jamaicans had begun Dance Hall Music. This was at the time when most Americans, let alone anybody else in the world, least of all Jamaicans knew what the hell Rapping was. We developed our own music which would then go on to take the American music World by storm to the point in the late 80's early 90's Hip-Hop and Dance Hall went together like Peanut Butter and Jelly. No major club was without a Hip-hop and Reggae/Dance Hall set, or a separate room just dedicated to Hip-hop and Dance Hall.

Jamaicans were no different than any other country in the World. Everyone was listening to American music. R&B for sure and like other countries like England and Germany, yes, we did covers. We still do to this day. But is Jamaican music an imitation of American music like K=Pop is? No! Absolutely no It's not! Yes Jamaicans did listen to American R&B back in the 50's, but that's not all they listened to. They also were listening to Mambo and other Cuban music, they were listening to British tunes and they were also listening to our own folk variation of Calypso, Mento. Oh, and speaking of Calypso, they were listening to that too. Ska was not an imitation of R&B. The two sound nothing alike. It was a modernization of Mento music slowed down and played on electric instruments. Reggae music was the end stage evolution of Ska. The progression is Mento, Ska, Rock Steady, Reggae. Basically the music got progressively slower and slower. That back beat guitar strum that characterizes Reggae is the heart beat of Jamaican music. That's the Mento heart beat, it just kept getting slower and slower. Rastafarianism is a Jamaican grown religion that borrowed elements from Christianity, Hinduism and African revolutionary philosophies. The overwhelming majority of Jamaicans are NOT Rasta, they're mainstream Christians, mostly Protestant denominations followed by Catholics. Other thing, not all Reggae artists are Rasta. True Rasta music is Nayabingi and it's 100% spiritual mysticism, not entertainment. Now, to your last point about Hip-hop. I left Jamaica in 1976 and grew up in the Bronx, birth place of Hip-hop. What most people don't know is that we never called it Hip-hop. That's a term that was coined by the commercial music industry some time in the 80's. It evolved between the mid to late 70's. Years before the Bronx DJ party scene started to evolve that new way of playing music, Jamaicans had already started their own experimental music expression called Dub and RidHip-Hop and Dance Hall dominated dim. In the late 70's, 79 to 80, when the new Bronx music was finally being put on records, Jamaicans had begun Dance Hall Music. This was at the time when most Americans, let alone anybody else in the world, least of all Jamaicans knew what the hell Rapping was. We developed our own music which would then go on to take the American music World by storm to the point in the late 80's early 90's Hip-Hop and Dance Hall went together like Peanut Butter and Jelly. No major club was without a Hip-hop and Reggae/Dance Hall set, or a separate room just dedicated to Hip-hop and Dance Hall.

site the interview. giv the source.

He took the reggae style of Dj and made hip-hop. Reggae is a more spiritual thing. Bob Marley is worldwide. There’s is no place on this earth you can go where ppl don’t know who is Bob Marley. There is no hip-hop artist with more worldwide than Bob Marley. When the white man takes away who you’re force you to speak English ack like him and then you think that’s the real you then that’s when you think you’re different from other black ppl around the world. What would happen if we didn’t have Marcus Garvey, Mr X, and Doctor King. Kool Herc did create hip-hop with the Jamaican style of DJ . Herc got is style from Jamaica DJs . At the end of the day we all black ppl that created something that is good and bad . The style came from Jamaica. He took what he saw and put it with the style in America. Look how close Miami is to Jamaica, black ppl traveled the world before slavery. Which mean we are the same ppl. Marcus Garvey is from Jamaica, and he came and gave you so much.

@@corylink336 LMAO... herc didn't make hip hop culture. Would yall stop with that stupidity. Herc attended Hip hop parties in Murphy's projects in the bronx and learned the culture. Said so himself. Hip hop culture is FBA and was in effect prior to herc ever touching a turn table. Herc DIDN'T CREATE ANY ELEMENT OF HIP HOP CULTURE.

@@jdealsdirect7660 that’s not what the Bronx is saying. They this man the father of hip-hop. The good thing is he didn’t crowned is self king the ppl did it videos all over RU-vid saying he did and some of them are over 10yrs old .

@@corylink336 Their are tons of videos saying he didn't. check out Michael Wayne Tv on youtube. I KNOW he didn't as i was there during the beginning.... '69-'74. No Jamaicans created foundational black American culture.... which hip hop is.

Harry Pool .. Salute

Truth Teacher2007 thank you appreciate your comment.. interesting point of view

@@TheCulture..Since1971 My pleasure

Sir, you said dreads didn't become fashion until African Americans started wearing dreads!! With all due respect. That is 100% FALSE!! The first people to wear dreads as fashion were actually Jamaicans themselves. The popularity of Jamaicans brought on the wearing dreads. This also brought on the knowledge of Ras Tafari. When people started investigating of what Rasta was really about ,then truth started to come to light. This is something I have actually experienced. My Jamaican rasta friends told me Rasta don't eat meat. Then I said, but I've seen a Jamaican with dread locks eating oxtail. They would said, "Some man dat wear locks, dem ah no Rasta. Dem a just FASHION DREAD. They said, Rasta was an Outcast set of people in Jamaica that society people looked down on. When Reggae became popular in Jamaica even Jamaican people started wearing locks without knowing what it was. They did it in Jamaica and in the US. I'm going to stop by leaving you with conversation I heard between I heard among 2 rastaman. One Rasta said, "Da Yankee dem put on locks an gi we bad name." The other rasta said, "Ya can't say dat. Some a we come a foriegn and gi bad example of what Rasta really is.

@@seanhoward2576 To your last example. Yes. Some of our own people started wearing locks as fashion. But understand this. I was raised in Jamaica. I left in 1976. No one in Jamaica at that time were wearing locks as a fashion because everyone knew it was associated with Rastas and for the most part Rastas were out casts. Even Bob Marley didn't really blow up until he went to the UK and became famous. It wasn't till the 80's, early 80's that you saw people wearing locks. By this time, I was living in the Bronx. No one in the Jamaican community was wearing locks for fashion. As more Afro Americans started wearing it, then we started doing it. Whoopie Goldberg was the most visible example of this. Most people at that time still thought she was Jamaican. Once again, I'm speaking from lived experience, not anecdotal accounts heard from other people.

@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 you can say what you lived but there are things that took place before you were even born and if you haven't done research then you are missing valuable information. The first Rastafarians were followers of Marcus Garvey going way back long before the 1980s. Leanord Howell aka the Gong, didn't even wear dreadlocks. So when I say Rastas were Outcast I'm not just talking about the wearing of dreadlocks was Outcast. I'm talking about the spreading of the Rasta doctrine. Joseph Hibbert was another founding father of Rasta. Both these men were born in the 1890s and they started teaching there doctrine of RASTAFARI in the 1930s in Jamaica. If you don't know who these two men are Google them. Charles Edwards aka Prince Emmanuel starts the BoBo Shanti movement in the 1950s. Now he does wear locks. Mortimer Planno, is another Rasta that does wear locks. These people I'm naming are Rasta Elders that were teaching Rasta before there was a music called REGGAE MUSIC!! Keep in mind, throughout these years, masses of Jamaicans were migrating to the U.S. and the U.K. Forward the years to when His Majesty came to Jamaica in 1966. The Rasta movement gained more momentum and this is when REGGAE MUSIC begins to evolve. Now we reached the 1970s. Bob Marley is not the first Rasta, he is not the first to wear dreadlocks but he is a founding father of reggae music. Not the only founding father but definitely a founding father. Also he is the first to become famous World Wide. Now remember when I said masses of Jamaicans were migrating to the United States. When Bob Marley gained fame in the early 1970s there were Jamaicans, in the US, that left Jamaica years ago, that started wearing locks and they didn't know what it was. This was the 1970s. Before the 1980s. Maybe you don't know about that because you say you came to the US in 1976 but Jamaicans were the first to wear dreadlocks as fashion, WHY? BECAUSE THEY JUST RELATED IT TO JAMAICAN CULTURE.!!!!

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MARCUS GARVEY DID NOT INVENT PAN-AFRICANISM OR EVEN BLACK NATIONALISM. HE FOLLOWED BLACK ACTIVISTS AND HE WAS VERY STRONG SUPPORTER OF BOOKER T. WASHINGTON.

ALSO, HE WOULDN'T LIE ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF A MUSICAL GENRE HE KNOWS HIS CULTURE DID NOT CREATE.

Marcus Garvey was stoned and spit on in Jamaica. His strongest support and foundation was his support from FBA.

@@harrypool71 Is there any documentation or video of that just curious on how you came up on that information And Rastafarianism was based off Ethiopian Culture due to Ras Tafari was Halie Salassee name prior to being given the crown so I completely agree Marcus Garvey didn't really do anything and was more like a front man like Martin Luther King was for so called civil rights movement even though Adam Clayton Powell did way more for the movement.. Again this is just a normal question fam,, 🤷🏾‍♂️

Yep in California we was developing pop loc’n at the same time as breakdancing was developing in NYC. Both being children of Funk and Disco.

appreciate your comment big bro

Why the hell do you diss Bambaataa?

Peru, don't more about our culture than we do, the problem with outsiders, they think they can tell us our culture.

No everybody doesn't know that!

See he focus on the break beats on two records on the turntable, and played back and forth.

Freedom of Speech thanks for your time and consideration to my question with your answer. In your opinion how do they differ?

If you listen the Jamaican sound system Dj's from the 50s and 60s they say when they started talking on the mic they were emulating American radio R&B Djs.

traum640 if you listen to Green Eyed Genie he does an imitation of 70s emcees which sound almost exactly like those early radio djs.

traum640 if you listen to Green Eyed Genie he does an imitation of 70s emcees which sound almost exactly like those early radio djs.

very good question. We all need to take a good look at that so we can find the answer

when the lion roars... we are not trying to "remove" anyone.. Herc and coke la rock parties was the Mecca for breakdancing...our goal is to put hiphop history in its proper context

Jock James. Clyde Stubblefield, Bernard Purdie, Earl Young et als. all get credited.

Right, and when they do give old artists credit they jump over all of the Funk, Soul, Disco, and R&B artists and give the credit to reggae artists which didnt have shit to do with Hip Hop.

because they were, there are no black Spanish speaking people???

David Cummings stop it son.. 1 thing to kill that nois.. remember the bridge is over?... what about 9mm goes bang.. ????

@@muptahu24 maybe for you , I prefer Public Enemy , or Epmd , Str8 American Rap .

Everything's alright when its alright with you. No. Let the truth be told.

U are demented and lost. Hip hop was gonna grow just like the rest of black American music did. Weirdo. We helped y’all music grow

Why do you keep speaking for herc, and ignoring the thing he said himself about his upbringing? Please stop rewriting history. Herc didn't go to the jams in Jamaica, he was too young, he said this himself. Herc dressed just like the Black Amercians around him, he said this himself. He said he looked country before getting style from Americans. The echo chamber was used by everyone because it was new technology, it had nothing to do with Jamaican culture.

RealDeal You need to spit oot the bitter pill ....and listen carefully ....Herc Set up his Sound System like the ones that influenced him when he was a kid in JA ....King Tubbies ..... There's even pictures of him dressed like a typical cool Rude Boy ....Panama , Italian Gabbichi suede Cardigan , Farah slacks ....Yard style was to drape a handkerchief from the slacks .....YARD STYLE .....Sunglasses in the dance .....he look more Jamaican than Hip Hop ....sometimes he dressed like a B.Boy .....he even spun reggae music ....but it didn't go down to well with the kids ......Now if you knew ( and its obvious you don't ) .....Jamaicans love to distort base ! ......and he played he use the JA style of distortion to bury the other sound ....Bam even said it ....he would kill you with base .....if you look many reggae tunes the base distorts more than rock other music ......But Mario was not influenced by J.A sounds System ....he like most Bronx's heds were never exposed to it ......But in Brooklyn n Queens ....they were most definitely influenced by Reggae base line and Dub music .....My was in Flatbush in the 70s he emphatically states .....they were into the Dub sound .....version excursion ....and funk bands emulated the thick heavy base lines ....started doing versions and Extended dub mix ...esp Queens funking for Jamaica ..you'd have to be on crack or plain bitter to deny it ......

You wrote all of that for nothing! Like I stated KOOL HERC SAID WITH HIS OWN MOUTH WHEN HE CAME TO THE STATES HAD NO STYLE, AND WHEN HE STARTED GETTING ASSIMILATED HE GOT STYLE! HE SAID HE LOOKED COUNTRY OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. Why are you ignoring what he said himself?

AND herc didn't set up his system like Jamaicans did. Read, and learn the truth: genius.com/Jeff-chang-excerpt-from-chapter-4-making-a-name-how-dj-kool-herc-lost-his-accent-and-started-hip-hop-cant-stop-wont-stop-annotated "But Clive had started up his own house party business, and somehow his gigs always happened to fall at the same times as the band’s, leaving Keith so angry he refused to let Clive touch the system. “So here go these big columns in my room, and my father says, ‘Don’t touch it. Go and borrow Mr. Dolphy’s stuff,’” he says. “Mr. Dolphy said, ‘Don’t worry Clive, I’ll let you borrow some of these.’ In the back of my mind, Jesus Christ, I got these big Shure columns up in the room!” "At the same time, his father was no technician. They all knew the system was powerful, but no one could seem to make it peak. Another family in the same building had the same system and seemed to be getting more juice out of it, but they wouldn’t let Keith or Clive see how they did it. “They used to put a lot of wires to distract me from chasing the wires,” he says." " One afternoon, fiddling around on the system behind his father’s back, Clive figured it out. “What I did was I took the speaker wire, put a jack onto it and jacked it into one of the channels, and I had extra power and reserve power. Now I could control it from the preamp. I got two Bogart amps, two Girard turntables, and then I just used the channel knobs as my mixer. No headphones. The system could take eight mics. I had an echo chamber in one, and a regular mic to another. So I could talk plain and, at the same time, I could wait halfway for the echo to come out."

Why you are ignoring what Kool herc said about his style of dress, and his sound system? Is it because it goes against the nonsense you spew?

@Marquis Doe peace to the god... Green eye stan and them had the B Boy dress and styleor swagg but they were pushing that line via Bam and Hurk.. wit out them it would a been frankie krocker anf disco twins from queens... every1 would a been house heads from tge 70's...lol Club MTV...lol

Spoken like a true dumb ass nigga. How the fuck was soul, funk, jazz, and blues a fad? We talking about music that 100 years old that's still relevant today.

@@americasmaker you the dumb as- listening to conem. jazz station, they playing tupac i get around- sit yo silly skunt down, those genres are classic, but not todays cultural expression, street music is the only expression via all forms of music, ie. ole time road is street country..lol

@@muptahu24 shut up, dumb ass nigga.

@@muptahu24 trust me, Hip Hop would’ve existed and developed without Bam, Flash and Herc. They benefited from the free, bias advertising that KRS-ONE gave them on mega hit records. Those songs aided the narrative that those three fathered Hip Hop. Smdh