What do you think about this guy putting his crew on blast? It's clear the call was a bit more murky than what happened and then an ejection? I think most people would agree with the ump posting the video but it doesn't do much to help the relationship with the guys you're working with
@@davidmcchesney9383 Agreed. If the glove hand got stepped on, there's almost no way, in a non-televised situation, you can call that safe, because the only way that's safe is if the glove hand doesn't make it to the base until the foot forces it there.
I enjoy watching softball live for the crazy parent show. That’s entertaining. Also for the coaching cliche’. You know “good eye,” etc. Every once in a while it’s exciting.
Looks to me that the goatee ump is out of place. He starts the play in place but doesn’t leave his spot. He’s got one job to do! Follow the play of the ball, and that means getting off your heals.
This is an example of why you never take your eye off the ball on the first play while working first. Did he get crossed up worrying about the runner going to second? Otherwise I cannot see how he missed it. The angle isn't that bad, though it would have helped him if he moved a bit to get a better angle. I think the third base umpire's as shocked as anyone that this turned into a discussion, argument, and ejection. Just seeing how he hung around, caught a ball from the stands, and looked into the outfield before realizing the other guys are conferencing screams "How the heck did we miss this one?"
It's not a 4 man crew, just 3. And because of the runners position, 2 umps are occupied with home and 3rd, which leaves the last ump covering 1st & 2nd. He was in good position.
My initial view was that the batter/runner was safe and it only confirmed it to me when video was slowed and magnified. SAFE! It's obvious to me that the fielder's hand was stepped on AFTER the batter/runner had already acquired first base. She reached first base with her right foot THEN stepped on the fielder (accidently) with her left foot. I'm confused as to which coach was ejected?
Runner at first is safe by your view. Right foot tags the bag then left foot steps on the glove. The runner stayed on the base line as if she was running out 1st, then reestablished the bag before making any attempt to run to 2nd
I don't understand the problem. If she was on the right side of the base path after touching first and then stepped on the glove she's still safe. She's allowed to run off to the right side off the bag and still be safe. The runners were all safe thanks to the variety of fielding errors. No one should need to be called out after the fact. If you put your glove on the ground to make a tag and get stepped on that's just part of the game. If you do it in fair territory you get the out. First base has the special circumstance that they are allowed to stay to the right after crossing and remain safe, even if they are tagged or step on the fielders glove. The fielder is the only one at fault here and it's still not an out.
she is safe because right before the tag on the base the runner stutter steps and puts her right foot down first on the bag before her left and when she puts down her left thats when the stepping on the hand took place.
@@youbluethatone1017 So a runner from the other team cannot be advanced because of the infraction? This ump did that, and it cost our team the game, and the district tournament championship.
@@derekburnett2728 He blew it!!! A fielder’s Balk DOES NOT advance the runner... I’m sorry that happened to you.. Most likely He learned that was called a Fielder’s Balk and just assumed it has the same penalty as a Pitcher’s Balk without doing proper research.. Umpire is just supposed to call Time, Announce “No Pitch” and inform the the Fielder to keep both feet in Fair Territory.. forum.officiating.com/baseball/20463-fielders-balk.html
@@youbluethatone1017 What sucks about that whole situation now that I’ve thought back to it is that’s what we were telling the ump, but the fix was in. We were having one of those once in a lifetime seasons, and everybody was out to get us. Ultimately once the umpire realized he was busted he ejected myself and the head coach. Thank goodness we had two men there that stepped in to coach in our place, because that left us without a first base and third base coach. It’s all water under the bridge now, but our local umps, people that some of us personally know, must know the rules of their game, so there’s never a question of whether they know or not.
second commandment of umpiring: be right 95% of the time and SELL the other 5%. a more confident (not theatrical--confident) initial call by U2 on the play at first would have most likely avoided this scenario. certainly be more definitive in the umpire conversation. being passive, even if you are right, doesn't help your reputation.
It seems obvious that the runner beat the first baseman to the base and that it was the next step that stepped on the first baseman's hand. So the call of safe is correct.
Yeah you can make out the girl is right handed so the left is the gloved hand and you can clearly see the bag in the picture the runner stepped on her hand after she got to the bag
@@jesseready5667 runner contacts edge of bag closest to home , fielder is on the other side of the base & tags opposite side of bag to runner . One of the runners consequential steps contacted fielder
They didn't change the call. If they did, there would not have been a runner on second. The runner on second was the player that hit the ball originally. The player on third was the player who originally ran to third and turned back half way and then the play went to the plate and that runner ended up on third so they could not have changed the call.
From your 3rd base camera angle, it’s hard to even make out that a hand was even stepped on. I’m over here watching all the 3rd base action, thinking that’s where the arguments come from. Then the ump meeting, and I go back to watch it, and can’t make anything out over at first. Tough call. But at the same time, if a fielder puts their hand on the dirt of the base path (even beyond the base for first,) can you really do anything if it gets stepped on?
With the close-up view... You can clearly see the runner step on first, then right after with other foot, stepped on the 1st baseman glove... Runner is safe.
The conversation was handled properly, and that is whey the Umps come together. To verify the understanding of the ruling, what the coaches are arguing against/for, then taking into account everything that applies. 3rd base Ump brought up the Question and then left it to the firstbase/Plate Umpire to make the final decision as he knew he had no view from where he was to make a call. From what could be seen, it does appear the glove was behind the bag and not on it so safe would be the call. Only change would be if the Umpires thought it was deliberate to step on the glove/hand.
Force outs doesn't matter where you have the ball, only thing that matters is touching the base, right?! Tag out you have to have the ball in glove or hand with the tag, right?! Irrelevant on this play because she appears to be safe. Ump with the camera is probably one of the few umpires I could get along with,every time I see him he is cool under pressure. Well done sir.
To all the guys criticizing the refs... There is a major ref shortage, generally because guys like you. Maybe you should suit up and see how thankless of a task it is. The pay covers gas, food and a little walking around money, they're doing this to help kids not to make money. The calls don't always go your way, but without these officials, we aren't playing anything, so lighten up.
No. The BR was called safe at first base. Call was not reversed. At 3:30 you can see the BR being replaced at 2nd base with a PR and note the red team is in the 3rd base dugout. The ejection came in the First base dugout, which is the Blue team.
First off, could have been handled a little different to determine info, and proper call. Bare hand, determined to then be the glove hand stepped on. Meaning in order to be stepped on, was there first. Beating the runner to the bag. Out. By making the call, continuation of the play, and then killing the play on spot, asses the injury, you could easily ask if she is okay and asking if which hand hurt, was stepped on etc. Getting that info alone eliminates some skepticism, and leads to now a judgement call and a timing play. Not over-turnable based on that alone. Had there been a control question, we now have need for discussion.
@@imwince7960 they shouldn’t get thrown off when all they had to do was step on first😂 like I said it’s the highest level of play, this on the other hand is like teen softball so you can expect mistakes. The same happen in teen baseball hell even college.
I could be wrong, but since I'm an umpire that's highly unlikely - joking. I think most of you are missing what happened. The runner was safe and went to 2nd base on the throw to home. After the play was over, she was ejected for stepping on the hand of the 1st baseman. You'll notice that the substitute came in and replaced her on 2nd base and Michael made the comment that we have 2 outs with a new runner on 2nd and a new batter.
I don't understand what was going on _after_ the play. Bases loaded, ground ball. Runner from 3rd scores easily. Runner from 2nd (#7) gets to third, and after some bad baserunning by the runner from first (#42), #7 also scores. At the end of the play, #42 is on third. But if the batter was out, then who is the runner on 2nd base?
The first baseman was late on the catch and after the runner was safe if the runner accidentally stepped on the first baseman’s hand and if the runner did stepped on the first baseman’s hand the first baseman then the first baseman would have been down on the ground then u when u look at the video the runner’s feet was on the base before the glove of the fielder got to the base so the runner was safe an there was no stepping on the glove at all
I'm pretty sure the umpires are out of position here. With the bases loaded, U1 should be on the line, and U3 should be at C position. Unless softball is different from baseball for some reason.
Softball is different. Bases loaded, U1 is in B, and U3 is on the line, 12 - 15 ft from 3rd. In baseball, there are pickoff plays from pitcher to first. Doesn't happen in softball. Instead, the most likely throw is from catcher to 3rd after a pitch.
Well that must be different cause in baseball out side of the hand with the ball, the only way to get an out is with the foot. So either the foot on the bag or a hand or glove with the ball in it on the bag. Obviously you have to possession of the ball when your foot is on the bag and this only applies fielding a batted ball.
@@livefreebehappy666 seems right. I’m going to post a long winded paragraph about how I know the rules. Oh it turns out I’m completely wrong??? So what, I don’t care.
@@livefreebehappy666 typical umpire mind set. I see why you are here. If you are going to go through the trouble of using quotation marks it helps if you actually quote what was said. That is what quotation marks are for, otherwise it shows a lack of intelligence, as does the name calling. Imagine not being able to put aside the urge to try and tell everyone how smart you are, and having your entire post be completely false. Someone says six words in response and instead of thinking hey maybe I should learn or read what the rule actually is feeling the need to double down and bury myself further. All the while having zero self awareness and never knowing who the real “dumbass” is.
I dont believe so since she stepped on base first, and when she stepped on the fielders glove right after she hadn't made a move towards second so she was allowed to finish running down the line, in turn stepping on the glove
@@ttothemax3475 you do not need to curve towards foul territory, just not make a move towards advancing towards second. You can run 100 feet down the line straight so long as you don't make a move to advance to second. And that call is a umpire judgement call.
My question is; how does the umpire reverse a call that he did not see? Nobody knows at what point the players hand was stepped on. The umpires job is to call what he/she sees, not make calls on assumptions.
I can't understand the ejection. All seems to stem from an umpire who lacks confidence. If the runner stepped on the fielder's hand on the base, the runner is obviously out, since the hand was there first. Since it's a force play, it doesn't matter whether it was the glove hand or the bare hand, so long as the fielder had the ball. The explanation to the coach is simple--the hand was on the base before it was stepped on. Force out. It seemed they figured that out in the conference which is good. So where did it go sideways? I don't see much of an argument from anyone so why was the coach tossed? One problem is that an umpire who lacks confidence tends to have an itchy trigger finger. As an umpire, I always worried about working with guys like that. Usually meant a lot of frustration.
The hand that was stepped on was after the base per the discussion. He didn’t see when it actually happened but the first time I saw the play I saw safe, then slow mo and saw safe again. Granted the camera is 100 feet away but still.
I don't think 1U's confidence is in question. Because the ejection was never fully disclosed in this video, assuming confidence is the problem is too much. We don't know what the coach said to the umpire. To conclude lack of confidence is the stem is a stretch.
I'm gonna guess the umpire thinks the runner stepped on the bag, then the first baseman gets to the bag late reaching with her throwing hand, and as the runner runs through the bag catches her glove hand (right handed thrower, glove on left hand, outfield side of the bag) that's the only sense I can make of it. The defense is trying to argue that how did the runner get there first if her hand was stepped on. But what happened was it was runner->fielder->glove hand. Defense coach doesn't like the call, gets lippy, gets tossed. Edit: meeting was called because defensive coach disputed the safe call so they called the meeting to discuss and see if anyone seen something different
no way anyone can second guess the call based off the video. My only thought would be that if the runner stepped on the glove in between the base and the bottom of her cleats then she certainly could be called out. But just as easily the heel could have hit the base first. First base umpire probably could have gotten a better angle once the throw pulled F3 off the bag. He should have come in at least a step or two to try to get a better view. Not sure why the opposing coach got ejected.
with the way this play worked out only 1 umpire is going to have the view and he never even took a step toward the play. From the angle of this shot I agree safe, but would love to have been U1 in this case in order to get a step or 2 closer to the play to see if the hand beat the runner's foot to the bag.
so... proper softball 3-man mechanics with R1 & R2, a ball hit to F6 and a play at 1B is for U1 to stand in B and never move? Even with a potential rundown developing between 2B and 3B, and BR advancing to 2B, the best place for U1 is still outside in B? hmm...
It’s a force play. First baseman just has to have possession of the ball and touch base prior to Batter runner touching the base. If she touched base with her hand it’s still an out even if ball isn’t in the hand. However it looks like the runner touched first there fore she is safe. Not 100% sure about softball but I’m pretty sure you can run through first base (don’t have to stay in contact) which is where I think she stepped on the glove (still safe) the only time she wouldn’t be safe is if it was intentional which I don’t think it was but she would get tossed then another teammate would take her place. Or if she made an attempt to go to second which she didn’t do at the time of the tag. Batter runner was safe and it’s incidental contact. There isn’t anything I saw that would cause me to think she should be out. (This is proof to listening to the ump discussion and talking with the coaches)
Too far away to defer that call to the 3rd base umpire and the plate umpire likely didn’t have a good angle on it. 1st base umpire needed to make the call and stick to it. Call with confidence those coaches will seek any opportunity.
He did stand to his call, but when the coach started questioning its not always a bad thing to get together and see if someone saw something different. The only one that can actually overturn the call is 1st base and plate umpires. Only thing that I see that may have overturned it is if the Ump thought it was intentional.
@@chrish7336 very true, even if you have no intention of overturning a call it is a good way to defuse a heated situation. What I would do is go to the other umpire, tell them i had a clear view of the play and won’t be overturning but just meeting to get the coach to cool off a bit. If the other umpire did say something though that they saw something different then I definitely would take their input.
@@darklordojeda I have always asked what they saw, verify any additional overlooked rules, then make the call. I also am one that I never minded another umpire who had a better view making the overturn either. I know some umps hate it but I never did.
The girl hit the ball and ran to first base. The umpire decides if she’s safe or out. She was safe and confirmed by the video. The first baseman got her hand stepped on by the runner after the runner was safe.
@@krummyraider5421 I don’t remember and don’t care to watch the video again. I’d guess if someone got ejected that it be someone from the side of the first baseman’s team cuz they thought the runner stepped on the hand of the first baseman had her hand over the base so the runner never touched the base, only her hand. Video proves that assumption wrong.
This happens when the umpire is out of position. Very easy call made even easier with a 3 man crew. I'm sure the umpire is good he was just a little lazy on this play. I can't say out or safe because the camera is too far away. Gun to my head I would have to say runner was out. I feel the 1st baseman touched the bag while the runners left foot was in the air. I don't think runner made contact with base with her right foot.
With the camera about 125 ft across the infield from third base you can't tell...even with the blow up from the camera. Could've went either way. My understanding a player was tossed but not a coach, and saw no immediate arguments to warrant one either.
No. The BR was called safe at first base. Call was not reversed. At 3:30 you can see the BR being replaced at 2nd base with a PR and note the red team is in the 3rd base dugout. The ejection came in the First base dugout, which is the Blue team.
Seems to me the home plate umpire should have at least attempted to move into a position where he trailed the batter runner, instead he just stood motionless behind the plate with his mask on. This would have at least provided him a look at the play.
bases are loaded home plate umpire needs to be responsible for the plate as runners are scoring to confirm that the runners touch the plate. He shouldn't be concerned with the play at first in this situation.
Why would the home plate umpire ever leave home when home is threatened? Home matters way more than first. If he trails the play to first, then he's in no position to view the throw home.
If the first base umpire saw the runner step on the first base mans glove white touching the bag then and called her out, so why have a talk with the other umpires.
The umpire saw the runner was safe and called it correctly. The coach of the defensive team claimed the runner is out because the fielder got her hand stepped on so her hand must’ve been between the base and the foot of the runner that stepped on the hand on top of the base. This claim is false though because the hand got stepped on with the next step and opposite foot that touched the base of the runner who was safe.
Bases loaded, 1B umpire in the 2 position. Why is he standing still on a play to 1B? Especially when the 2nd baseman has made no move to cover the base. There will be no DP, the play is at 1st base. Close in on the call.
Is it a tag or a force play. Is there a safety base in American softball. In Australia you can be out as a runner for not using the safety base. Unless it's a drop K2 then the first base person must set up in foul territory and runner Must run too the white base. Not matter what the tag was made and the batter run to the wrong side of the base. Softball gets so bitchy at times. At the end of the day. It's the call of the umpires. It's there game. Bad call or good call. They make the call.
well I mean you can eject a batter with the call of "Arrogance" and umps are allowed to call an ejection on anyone for any reason, and this isnt the most unreasoniable ejection I have seen but a safe call is what it should be called, but then the ejection
we dont know what was said when goatie umpire stood by the call then informed the coach that the call still stands. my guess is that she was swearing at the blue for what she thought was a bad call.
Wait, people are saying she was safe... However, for her to step on the glove, the glove would have to be touching the bag before the runner touches it, and if the fielder has the ball in her glove, then, in a same world, that's an out. But, we are in a dummyfied society. Anyway, why was the coach ejected?
The ball does not need to be in the glove. As long as the ball is securely held, touching the base with any part of your body or equipment properly worn (glove) would be an out.
@@alanhess9306 reread my comment again... I'm the video, umps are discussing the glove hand was stepped on, which would be an out. That's what I said. Nowhere in my OC, did I allude to the ball has to be in the fielder's glove. LoL....
