Out of the Fiery Furnace - Episode 1 - From Stone to Bronze 

Most are lies today.

They were created for literates. Today's productions are aimed at the post-literate.

Still corporate propaganda but doesn’t assume audience are total morons unlike today

Yes... If this were made today, it would have 95% less info and 9500% more graphics and aggressive music, and it would be super-macho and hardcore. The Temu ads are a brutal contrast.

This was painful to watch. History through the eyes of the colonizers.

100% accurate. I actually had to watch these videos as a part of a course I took back in the early 00s. Tedious back then but now I'm happy to watch it in my free time for free on RU-vid.

Yep.. except the voice would be all muffled playing full blast over a tiny speaker and we were told to "pay attention.. there's a test on this tomorrow" 😳

And the ancient film projector would run off speed warbling along with a cacophonic dirge while we daydreamed and/or passed notes--- to the decrepit VHS with it's off tracking and not cued up so ff and rwd away while we daydreamed and sent primitive texts on flip phones. So it goes in Man's great achievements in science and technology with broad dogmatic British accented imperial voice overs. Classsssssick!

I thought it was rubbish - not enough rap music or wise Marxist teaching.

@@kayharker712 the patriarchy made iron to make sure Wahmyn were chattel

Agreed

The info is very dated.

They weren't full of bs ideological politically correct nonsense

Zinc peddler!!!

You're welcome.

@@wildrose2748 ...and you must be that one guy that cusses and insults people, being a complete asshole jerk that people don't like to be around, as you try to intimidate and manipulate people with your childish temper tantrums...

I'm sure such refinement was a matter about 4kya if 40 ya, but I'll be looking for the B rating of my bells cymbals & swords from now.😁

Jericho is also now understood to be the earliest city, 10 k years iirc. Btw love your content, fancy meeting you here

There are also ancient tin mines in Kestel turkey staring at around 3250bc. I don’t think they found them until after this doc was made

@The Truth about Africa hurts Catal Hoyuk does not, Gobekli Tepe does but is not a city. Reread my comment.

@survivethejive It's u for the third time u must have good taste

Shh... keep it like a secret.

I'm a geology student of old and always thought metals were overlooked. I love this series.

As of March 4, 2024, it has 2.8 thousand likes.

i'm so old i remember getting stoned for using metal and offending gods of stone

Cool boy you go😮 you couldn't do that when I was in high school

It was transferred from a video tape to digital format using the highest quality equipment. The source was still video tape, unfortunately. The tapes were very difficult to find. Glad you like the videos though.

Yes and no. Yes for the script, no for the annoying pedantic declamatory style of speech of the main presenter.

I prefer cockney

sounds like cricket commentary to me

@@goognamgoognw6637 "annoying pedantic declamatory"?? Michael Charlton's delivery is the standard accent of most presenters back in the day; nothing pedantic about it. Take a look at this body language and overall demeanour; not a hint of affectedness or posturing; a steady, calm voice with no posh outbursts. A natural presenter whose accent was that of an Australian who'd been living in Britain for quite some years.

I know. Many people were looking for this documentary. It is a very important bit of history, the footage of ancient smelting practices alone puts it well above other docus on history, at least ones I've seen.

ditto - watching this on TLC The Learning Channel - via Sat in France in 1986.

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I remember I saw it long long time ago. In Jugoslavia.

Wondering if in all this time there has been any peace in Afghanistan to further investigate exploitation of tin deposits.

Or they used drugs, and had a vision. Its perfectly legit explanation. Ppl on drugs do all sorts of things. Say mishrooms and such, natural potent psychadelics. Who knows.

@Matthew Tymczyszyn Catal Huyuk had/has chimneys... thats 7000BC. It makes sense

Yes. I posted my comment and then saw yours. I agree.

Also these ancient people knew about native copper, and they surely would have seen verdigris forming on copper, they probably knew that copper and malachite (same thing as verdigris) were somehow connected before they knew how to convert one to the other.

They made a huge fire with rocks lining it then a big wind came in and made the fire roar. The next day they notice this orange metal, or black or white. You get the point.

Paul Especially with the Aborigines.

Our pleasure!

No they have not. You clearly don't know what the word "city" means. Look it up. And look up "civilization" too. The oldest known civilization seems for now to be Jericho, and it is not 20,000 yrs old. Nor are Catal Hoyuk, Gobeckli Tepe, or Karahan Tepe. And those last 3 are not cities or civilizations anyway. None of them are 20,000 yo. As well, you are trying to show off with that post, but you have failed completely. That's because people with any knowledge at all do not talk about cities with a spread of 10 to 20,000 yrs! Do you have any concept at all of how much change occurred in the space of 10,000 yrs?! Obviously you have none. Before you say such ridiculous things, and make a fool of yourself in the process, you should learn some ancient history or archeology from some reputable sources. Not Graham Hancock, or any other nutcase who believes in aliens and conspiracies, like History channel docs, or those from Discovery Channel. Sadly, even Netflix and other streaming services have lost all sense of conscience and/or responsibility and are showing tons of that garbage. I was even shocked like crazy to see that National Geographic is now publishing videos about aliens ! ! ! They all claim it's just entertainment, and that makes it ok! The crooks in charge know damn well that many extremely stupid and gullible people actually believe that crap, yet they don't care. Nobody cares about anything but money now! The world has become such an awful place! There used to be laws that you couldn't publish lies like that. And there should still be. PLEASE don't fall into believing that BS about aliens! It seems that so far you have not, and I commend you for it SO MUCH ! ! ! But you do have a bit to learn before you start posting stuff about ancient civilizations, just as I did, not too long ago. (I hope I deleted all my old comments!) So please Google or search RU-vid using the words "ancient cities" and "ancient civilizations", and use only the reliable sources you find, that are attached to or related to reputable universities or organizations.

This is explored and demonstrated in the documentary.

You are just racist

lol its funny that your peoples past bothers you so much

That explains the flared jeans the workers were wearing. Those are clearly 1970s clothes. 😊

Blowing through tubes into a fire can do it.

The Metropolitan in NYC had some of these Hahal Mishmar cave bronze pieces on display but took them down the last time I was there two years ago. They are amazing. Some were ternary bronzes Copper-Arsenic-Nickel.

@@wildrose2748 Why would you assume that? Simple logic would make it plain to you. After all, they were discussing in the video how that metal still had slag in it, and they didn't prevent it. So clearly, they didn't anticipate it being pointless to even try in the manner that they did. So they must not have known why their process could not remove the slag, actually for more than the one reason I had mentioned.

That was always a danger whilst filming these old documentaries.

Andy Her Good point.

Because it was "now this"....

“And now for something completely different..”

😂

Yep. PBS's Raw to Ready series, especially the episode about Komatsu gives some great info on the chemistry behind steel alloys. You can watch it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vhVxOleTHJg.html

@@outofthefieryfurnace6163 are yall ever planning on making a new version of this series?

ad the right amount of arsenic. That is where Hephaistos has his crippled leg from.

and, so?

It’s also called the Gulf of Eilat. The coastline is divided among the countries of Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, situated at the northern tip of the Red Sea. Hope this helps.

I am not sure it would be possible, it is amazing that they got that footage of the metal artisans all over the world showing their craft to them. Maybe Netflix could do it.

Well, at about 23:09 they discuss the Nahal Mishmar hoard, the objects there were a mix of arsenical bronze (Cu-As) and nickel arsenical bronze (Cu-As-Ni). They were cast into molds believe it or not. Metal objects of similar composition were found in royal tombs of Arslantepe in Eastern Anatolia. Both finds are dated to the period between 4000 - 3000 BC or early bronze age, sometimes called the chalcolithic age.

Because most Aboriginal people live in, or with access to, 'Communities', which are hybrid cultures of European style towns populated mostly by Aboriginal people. Aboriginal people have houses, cars, bank accounts and shaving razors, like anyone else. It's a very strange, tense, and many may argue, very unsuccessful situation. Western colonisers worked hard to obliterate everything they could about the native inhabitants' way of life since they began taking over the land 200 years ago. The filmmakers of this documentary most likely went to an outback community town and hired some men to be filmed. They went out to a space in the desert with a film crew. I just asked my white housemate who lived on a Aboriginal community in the Northern Territory for several years when he was a teenager, where his mum worked as the school teacher. That's what he told me. 😊

They had flint, from which you can get (or knap) razor sharp blades.

Any recommended updated documentaries?

Would you give one example?

Students should rely on professional, peer-reviewed articles and books, not RU-vid or television. This series is just an introduction to this topic, why would you expect it to be updated and scholarly, it was made 40 years ago!

Humans are not causing warming. Only brain washed people think that.

Corn Dog - it make not have been so arid, then . I think that the times, he’s talking about, were the end of the last ice age. Much of Northern Europe was covered in ice. So where he is would have been much wetter and cooler

The Cedars of Lebanon were not a legend. A lot of the area was wooded before military requirements caused their destruction.

poop.

Fixed it now.

Thanks.

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& bruh Dave : Africa had the earliest dates when using iron first ☮️

@@charisseagnew1788 lmao no

@@charisseagnew1788 no

It’s 40 years old, what did you expect?

Kestel, Turkey, seems to be the earliest source of tin. Mined by children, it seems.

Yeah, and when was the Tin Age?

He discussed the Copper Age extensively, were you asleep?

@@lukehauser1182 There wasn’t one.

@@kimberlyperrotis8962 Ii think there was one, but it was very short :)

As a matter of fact, many metallurgical historians believe that smelting and alloying started basically at the same time as the so called Copper Age. The earliest smelting of copper metal dates back to 7500 - 7000 years ago at Pločnik and Belovode, Serbia. Also, many of the so called copper artifacts are actually arsenical bronze, that is copper deliberately alloyed with arsenic, which would require a furnace with a reducing atmosphere, and in that sense they are a type of bronze, and not native copper. This is a big problem in ancient metallurgy because those bronzes are improperly classified as just being copper.

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