Toyota Technician here, I’ve done a 22 and now am waiting on the parts for a 23. I hope and pray that Toyota sends in a long block for affected trucks. These engines are very complex with vast amounts of cooling passages and oil passages. Taking one apart is like peeling a huge onion. I used to dislike rebuilding the 5.7s but this one is in its own league…
A long block replacement would be the best for both the customer and the dealer. The solution is not really that hard to figure out. An oil analysis on all affected engines that have not fail up to this point would be a good place to start. This would give Toyota a reasonable view into how many engine they will need to address.
@@wayneanderson991 So true. The dealer tech already has enough to do with the cab and engine R+R. Toyota should not stick them with engine building on top of that.
YOu know damn well that about 80% of the mechanics in that dealer have no clue how to rebuild that engine and will screw it up. These trucks will be scrap.
@@Wellh0wryaI don’t watch them. But I seems that you like close minded facts and also spamming a RU-vid to attempt to make a point. Keep up the lords work kid. lol. 😊
@@TRDJon lol dude I just can’t believe how bad the tundra was in person in 2022… now engines are regularly grenading, I saw it coming! The qc is 💩! I’m just passionate about wrecking this truck, because after three different decades I think even the fanboys deserve something better
Well this is a unfortunate issue, just like the over 1 million 2nd gen Tundras recalled for bad fuel pumps. But it will be fixed and hopefully allows this truck to be reliable for years to come.
This truck was junk since day one, between the panel gaps and poor qc to the design… Toyota dropped the ball more than any manufacturer imo. Expectations are high when the 2nd gen was quite possibly the best half ton ever built
@@smx234 Fanboys don't want to admit that when the old Toyota bosses left/retired and their kids took over, things changed. Toyota is now basically the Japanese Hyundai, they will live off of the reputation they built in the past for a while, but Old Toyota is gone. Anything new is essentially a Japanese Hyundai.
My guess is the fix for the Toyota Tundra engine will be an oil analysis to determine the amount of bearing wear metal in the oil. If excessive by Toyota's standards an engine will be replaced. This would be the cheapest and most efficient way to deal with the problem engines. The rest of the Tundra's that pass the oil analysis test will probably be given an extended warranty. This is just IMHO.
Will that help? 3 years into it already, no progress. This issue is deeper than they are admitting. It might be like a Chevy Vega, with the problems engineered in.
@@lorenzovigil2928how so? Better price, naturally aspirated engine, reliable , all things Toyota used to offer before they went and built the trash they do now
@@stefanovichmichael9686 again, how so? Look it up you chode, there has been minimal problems with the new ones and they’ve had the new engine and powertrain for four years, toyota has done fuck all with the tundra in the same amount of time. Oh yeah the frontier also has a history of being very reliable, historically on par with the tacoma until the new ones came out, now the tacoma has a bunch of issues now.
There is no way a V6 twin turbo engine will last 300,000 miles like a 5.7 V8 will. Paying $70,000 for a truck and hoping the engine doesn't blow up is insanity at its finest. I drive a 2018 Tundra with a 5.7 under the hood. It will be my final Toyota truck.
It’s going to be a rough few years for Toyota, I hope these recalls serve as a wake up call to their leadership that there needs to be some course correction for the company.
@@TRDJon once again, ur comparing this to a fuel pump??? We are talking a $30k engine replacement bruhhhhhh…. It must be raining money from ur real estate deals, RU-vid money, and Toyota envelopes!!
I am so glad I decided to go with the 22 F150 5.0 coyote V8. I just couldn't pull the trigger on the new Tundra. So far the F150 has been trouble free.
@@user-zv7pk4hm6q Haha.........Fan Boi. I've got 20K on the truck no issues. The 2022 tundra I looked at has a high probability of problems. I am 100% sure I made the correct choice. It is ashamed what has happened to Toyota I have owned a number of their products I still have one in my stable. I hope Toyota gets there shit together it saddens me to see the path they are on.
I have a 2018 ford f150 platinum and I have 205,000 mile on it so far. I have only replaced the starter on it and only done my own oil changes, spark plugs, and air filter for maintenance. You definitely made the right choice
My 22 tundra is in the shop right now, truck stalled on me while on the freeway. Dash lit up like a charismas tree and everything electronic failed with it, also for some reason my break and gas pedals also went along with it. Waiting for an update from my dealer.
I unfortunately have one of the trucks that has failed. Currently sitting at 40 days without my truck. My truck was at the dealership for about 3 weeks when the recall came out. Many dealerships 😢 parts facilities started to horde their parts and I'm still waiting for parts.
I have a 24 1794 tundra my first toyota truck.I have had several of all the brands so far very happy with the truck.I really think this like most issues is getting blown out of proportion.I am thinking most are just happy to see the king brought down a notch.
Dealerships are doing trade-in but the resale value has tanked so it isn't worth trading in. Talking to my dealership the engine has to be torn down for the inspection so they are better off crate engine fix for all of them
@@TRDJon Honey, the engine may stop at any time but it has a lifetime warranty. Sure, I feel better now, let's go. What's the worst that could happen? Breaking down on the beltway?
Even if they give you a lifetime warranty it will not transfer to a new owner ( 2nd owner) so it won't be of any value in the used market. This is a big issue in any of these Toyota owners better get the hell out and quick.
"...we can only find limited and anecdotal evidence... our local ford and jeep dealer said they would take them..." That's some solid reporting right there.
@quyle9483 leaking moonroof 2 times ..dead pixels on screen.. brakes squeaking loud with only 3k miles.. Bluetooth sucked ass.. grab handle falling apart .. plus all the recalls my truck was always in the shop and they always denied a loaner
@@DTLA27 brand I work for ships customers in and out of rentals all day. Customer satisfaction of service goes a long way, even if you have a frustrating issue with your vehicle. Unfortunately toyota is out of the loop when it comes to how to handle this era of automobiles.
Sad to see this happening......I saw the redesign of the Taco and decided to buy a brand new Taco Off Road 2023.....ZERO regrets.....I'll wait another 10 to 15 years after owning this one to see what's up.
I would have thought that the oil filters would have been full of debris and when an oil change occurred that someone would have notice the debris also in the oil. I'm waiting on the rest of the story from Toyota on how this happened without noticing it much sooner!
I had heard some rumblings a few months ago about the Tundra and possible issues. I bought one May 7th of this year...2024. I leased it!! I don't have to worry about NOTHING!! So far...I love my Tundra. Received a lot of compliments on it. I chose the Platinum trim with HUD and power running boards and bed step. LOVE IT! I do plan on getting the oil changed at 3,000 miles. Forget that 10,000 oil change schedule. But...I have owned GMC, Chevy, RAM and Ford. The ONLY trucks that havent given me a problem were the pre-2019 GMC Sierras. My RAM Rebel was a great truck...but I heard so many negative things about the vehicle..that I sold it to get the Tundra. I guess I'll just go with the flow.
dont worry? If that truck gets tied up for a month waiting for parts you will be walking Goober and making payments.....leasing is no better off than buying....you are clueless....and will learn the hard way.....LOL
@@chadhaire1711They don’t get it… it’s like THEY WANT to be sitting up in a dealer’s Service Department drinking some stale coffee. I usually see people with “No worries, Toyota will fix it…” type responses. … engine failures can be hazardous … towing of the vehicle … service departments visit(s) … lame loaner vehicles … prognosis fear … monthly payment STILL there but no vehicle … should you unload it after it’s been “fixed” … non-original / replaced engine on your record … re$ale values may suffer for these avoidance years … will it occur again? They’ve been warned though. ✌️
@@chadhaire1711 Clueless?? HA! Ok Chad...I'll break it down for you! My car arrived at the dealership on May 4th. Chances are...it's not included in the vehicles with the issues...but to be sure...I decided to lease it! No difference between buying and leasing? Lets break it down for you. 1. I dont keep trucks for over 2 - 2 1/2 years. Never have. Why buy a truck that I don't plan to keep past the bumper-to-bumper warranty?? 2. The payments are less expensive than a retail payment on 72 mos. for a MUCH nice truck. 3. It's a closed end lease. If the value of this Tundra TANKS due to market issues...I have a guaranteed value at the end. If its value is $15,000 - $20,000 less at the end than its stated residual...I DON'T TAKE THE HIT! If I retailed it...I may be hung in it for a long time with a higher payment. Upside down I would be for sure if the unit tanks in value due to bad press.. With the lease, I get to enjoy the Tundra without ANY worries. If this all blows over...and the values that Tundra normally enjoys..maintains it's exceptional status..then I might very well be in an equity position. Doubt it at this juncture...but it's possible. If not...I walk away with a new Tundra...or whatever I want at that time. 4. I get a rental car at no cost due to the Toyoguard for three years. You think that Toyota is going to tell their owners to walk or rent a car at their own expense? Really??? Also CHAD...I have been in the automotive business for 42 years. GSM, Finance, Fleet positions. I highly doubt that ANYONE I've worked with or given advice to would call me clueless. If you plan on keeping a vehicle longer than the term of your finance contract...5-6-7 years...then BUY IT! I've never kept a truck or vehicle longer than 2-3 years at most. I always want the newest and the bestest I can afford. If you want to be car payment free..then buy it and deal with it, All I have to do is get oil changes and tire rotations...which are free! By the way..there are better ways of responding to a post than with vitriol. You need to learn to communicate a bit better than you have shown. It's kind of sad. Be kind..be concerned..and ask a question..before you respond to someone that has 1000% more knowledge than you will EVER hope to have. Hopefully I have informed you as to why I made my decision!
@@philroberts6274 Nice little speech but I have been in the auto business longer than you Goober. Look it up. If you are so informed about leasing and buying for the past 42 years you would know the ONLY real advantage of a lease was not tying up capital by putting 20% down by buying as a lease didn't require a down payment---you just paid for tags and drove off the lot. Now a lease they want a couple grand down which is bullshit....there is no such thing as a down payment on a lease as it defeats the point.....or at least that is the way it is supposed to work. Now they get suckers put money down, might as well buy the thing. Leasing and buying costs are the same if you trade every 3 years, only advantage now in lease is for tax purposes if you have a business. The fact you got lucky by not having to sell that lemon Tundra is an exception and you know it....not like you had that figured out before you got it. Is that vitriol enough for you??
I have a 2024 TRD Pro and mine runs perfectly! If it blows up ehh I'll get a new free engine from Toyota with zero miles on it brand new warranty and life goes on. The way I see it it will drive longer and a new engine! oh! I have about 22K miles on it got it Sept 23.
If it blows you will have an accident on your carfax report and you have to eat that on resale value. It’s not a good feeling to have this situation over your head when you spent that amount of money. It’s happening to 2024 tundras that are just daily drivers not even hauling things. The most common way they’re blowing is simply downshifting to lower gears. Over 250,000 gen 3s! There’s no flex in having these gen 3s
They are out there, you not looking hard enough, this year a lot are coming off lease, but they are getting snapped up quickly as tons of folks are looking out for them also
Toyota is in a serious pickle with this one. If they don't replace engines proactively, I'm guessing a class action will follow. If they don't expand the recall to hybrids/2024s, a class action will follow. Meanwhile, it's tough to believe it's debris but...that's all they've given us so far. Like you mentioned, they are probably going to just warranty these engines to give folks piece of mind. Personally, I wouldn't touch a new Tundra for at least a year or two...it's amazing to me how many people are still buying them new while aware of the recall. I guess their risk tolerance is higher than mine. I think Toyota had one of their best Tundra sales months in May of this year, even though a lot of folks knew about the recall. Pretty weird.
I personally feel that many are going to them currently due to very good incentives and also many regions offering a 0% or a tad higher interest rate. Those buying may not care to have the truck for a while or like you said, may just want to roll the dice. Regardless, this stinks and I really hope it isn’t all 3rd gens. But if it is then it is. It will be a major learning experience for sure for the brand. Hopefully we get some better clarity soon.
No sense in proactively replacing an engine that hasn't had issues. Just because 100k engines were recalled doesn't mean 100k engines are going to fail. Heck, even if the failure rate hit 10% that would be catastrophic. People need to stop panicking about this and use some common sense and logic. EDIT: 830 out of the 102,000 have actually failed. 0.8%. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a9YRgilj8Vg.htmlsi=aYnBop7DANoMn3A3
I guess they are going on toyota's word that this is only affecting 22-23 MY. Its too soon to say how many later model years will actually be affected by this though. So far we still have less than 100 of these vehicles that actually experienced these failures? Many more vehicles out there have passed the threshold at which a majority of the failures have occurred at. We don't have enough data to be saying definitively how many engines will fail. This issue, while severe in nature, hasnt affected enough vehicles i think to be considered systematic
@@YerBoyTroy No it's not less than 100. If you read the recall notice from Toyota they have, so far, almost 1,000 warranty claims on engines. This likely does not include all of them and probably doesn't include the lemon law buybacks in this number. Time will tell if it's really a debris issue or not, it probably is, but 2024s are affected as well. Again, I don't think you can say (yet) that it's 100% a debris issue, or an engineering issue, time will tell the truth....eventually.
If you are ready to sell your Tundras, i know a guy will buy it for 20k off. You dont have to worry abt breaking engine and all the problems toyota are having. He will take care of all your problems😂
If you are going to buy a Toyota, buy one that's made from Japan like 4Runner. Chances are cars made from Japan is better built and better quality control.
It’s debreee, not debreeezzz. Debris is plural. Porsche suffered this scrutiny with their IMS bearing, but there was no recall; because it affected a small number of cars. Yes there was a class action which Porsche lost. For Toyota to recall these, it’s a real problem.
Friend took his 2023 Tundra TRD to a GMC dealer and wanted to trade in on a Sierra 1500 3.0 Duramax, dealer was not interested in his truck on a trade after lowballing him on trade value.
You can change your oil on the Tundra and have the oil analyzed for debris. Of course it will be at your expense but it might make good content and give you a little piece of mind.
That’s what I have started to do. My 2022 Tundra 1794 was manufactured in May 2022. I have 27,000 miles on it. I just sent an oil sample out to be analyzed. It has been just over 2k since I last changed the oil (every 5K). The analysis came back good, great actually. No indications of abnormal wear. I will do this again before my 30k oil change and every 5K oil change thereafter. The peace of mind is worth the $34.
Love my 2.5 gen Tundra. Solid as a tank with 100k miles and absolutely no issues. You could not pay me to take one of these new gen 3 Tundras. It has had so many problems from pieces falling off to engine failures. NOT a good truck.
The ONLY reason the 2024's are not being recalled is because they cannot sell them with an open recall. Even though the chances of a new purchase Tundra having the issue is probably 1/1000 I'm not willing to take that risk.
I hope that Toyota like you said Jon, offers a 150,000 + drivetrain warranty transferable for the people that paid over invoice on our 2022-2023 Tundra's. Making our vehicles again worth something. Like before the recall.
Meh. Ford just recalled 600 000 F150's because the truck can shift into first gear and lock up the rear end. So, that's cool. Toyota will make this right at their expense.
@mikegallagher2732 Biden put the ridiculous regulations on the American automotive market. There is no EPA in China, Russia, or India, and America has the cleanest gasoline on the world due to our refining. 330 million Americans can clean up the world of 8 Billion people by itself. Politics plays a BIG PART in this clean energy automotive movement, and Bidens ridiculous regulations are a drop of water in the ocean as to his effectiveness to stop "Global Warming".
Love my 23’ Tundra. Hopefully one day the 3.4 V6 TT will prove to be as reliable or nearly as reliable as the 5.7, but only time will tell. Until then will continue to do all the scheduled maintenance and enjoy driving the truck every chance I get!
Honestly instead of another Tundra you should keep your 5th gen and swap the Tundra for a 6th gen 4R. Your 5th gen is a staple to the channel and what started everything.
Lifetime warranty will option will be one of the least expensive options for Toyota with a tiered dollar trade option based on the year / class of vehicle it is traded in on
This recall does not say 100,000 motors are screwed, its saying theres a possibility of machining debris. The failure rate has been extremely low, Toyota seems to be doing the right thing.
So just to let you know, they are admitting that there’s probably metal in all these engines. Failure rate will be high and it’s 250k of these engines. Read when this happen to Kia/ Hyundai
I was almost going to buy my wife a new LX600 but was afraid of all the complexities of a V6 TT so i bought a used LX570 and it’s been a great ride so far it had 14000 miles two years ago now 49000 miles like a fine time piece
Glad I bought a 2023 5th gen 4Runner with the 4.0. I suspect the new Tacomas and 4Runners are going to have a lot of issues like this until they get a few years under the belt of these new Motors and Transmissions.
I recently got a new 2023 Tundra Limited April 30th. It was selling 10 k less msrp that I negotiated. The manufacturer date is like July of last year I believe. No recalls on this since it was manufactured last year.
My 22 so far has been running but my wife noticed does not accelerate as before slow progression. She said she has to floor it to get the truck going. It’s been intermittent.
As of June 19, 2024, there have been several notable automotive recalls announced by major manufacturers. Here are some of the most recent ones: Stellantis Recall: Stellantis has recalled over 1 million vehicles due to rearview camera software issues. The recall affects vehicles in the United States and Canada, including the 2021-2023 Chrysler Pacifica, with 235,423 units affected. The issue may cause the rearview camera image not to display, increasing the risk of a crash. The recall is expected to be fixed through a radio software update in Q3 2024. Ford Recall: Ford has recalled the most vehicles this year, with almost 500 recalls filed with U.S. regulators. The recall affects various models, including the 2020-2024 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 and 3500 pickup trucks and some GMC Sierra 2500 and 3500 pickups. Kia Recall: Kia has recalled 462,869 Telluride SUVs due to a stuck power seat slide knob that can cause the front seat’s motor to overheat, potentially causing a fire. The recall affects the 2020-2024 Telluride and has been the subject of several recalls in 2024. Tesla Recall: Tesla’s January 30 recall of almost 2.2 million vehicles is the largest of 2024. The recall affects essentially every Tesla on the road since 2012, including the Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, and the Cybertruck. The issue is minor, but it’s worth noting that the recall is one of the largest in automotive history.
Interesting that if this is "engine debris" why is my local toyota tech saying each tear down he has seen has the front bearing burning up. Left over debris should cause random destruction. Also if it was left over from machining the engine, where are all the owners complaining of "debris" in their oil changes, especially the first one? Why is this defect only discovered when the engine goes boom? You don't think Toyota heavily crafted the wording of the recall to put Toyota in the best light?
Isnt it possible it was a relatively tiny amount of debris located in a specific part of the block or oil passages near the front most crank journal? I'd think even a miniscule amount of debris can cause damage over time even if said debris is eventually filtered or drained.
@@TRDJon Dealers are in no way competent to rebuild complex engine to factory specs. They just don't have the facilities or the skills. That's why you ship out engine blocks to be rebuilt by people who do this sort of thing for a living. The most new car dealers do these days is change oil and wiper blades. They can't even make sense of an error code.
One of the big reasons people get a Toyota is because it’ll maintain its resale value, this will certainly impact what I’ll be able to get for trade-in or secondary market sale. My plan was to trade in my 2023 Tundra for the Land Cruiser. It sucks that a Toyota issue may affect my trade-in value even for another Toyota at a Toyota dealership.
3 years of failing engines and turbos , terrible build quality, but a over designed exterior distracted buyers into a purchase while Toyota pumped them out , I see the Tacoma following the same path for buyers of it , just give it a couple years and people will learn the hard way again , just looking over a 24 taco it reeks of being made cheap
this is all getting blown out of proportion , your channel and Alex on autos are legit, most other you tubers are nothing more than drama queens, Toyota has always come good and fixed vehicles with issues, and its all out there from past issues , I'd trust them more any of the big 3, and all of the big 3 have had their issues with their products from bumper to bumper, you got a Tundra with motor issue you'll get it covered under warranty, not like Ford who fudged over near 5 million customers over auto trans issues
The only way out is to offer to buy these vehicles back and offer a credit toward another Toyota product, then slowly refurbish all of them sell as used with a decent warranty. This changing everyone's engine with those dealer mechanics? whole new can of worms.
One of the reasons Toyota is outsourcing labor to America and Mexico is to cut costs. However, even in Japan, Toyota have cut back on inspections and other labor. today you only see one color dot on parts from an inspector, before you would see 2 different color marking, meaning the same part was inspected by 2 different inspectors. just in case you ever wondered what those color marking were.
Hey TRD Jon. Thanks for all you report. Question as you just bought a new LC. One of the reasons I’ve had Toyota Trucks my whole driving life is the resale value. How can a 65k Tacoma hold its value like an older originally 40ish k Tacoma can? Do you agree that Toyota went over the top on pricing? I think the first edition LC is in the same boat 76k? It just can’t when a 1958 is 58k. The 1958 is going to be the bench mark of LC deprecation and they will hold their value as usual for Toyota. But the first edition is going to be in that same ballpark in 3 years but cost almost 20k more. I think the same will be for the Tacoma off road (benchmark for depreciation)and the 65k TRD Pro. I think Toyota went way high. Saw the stupid markups dealers were getting and jumped in. Thoughts? As always appreciate what you do.
It’s hilarious Toyota pages are comparing this to the 2007 recall. This isn’t even comparable…fuel pumps vs failing engines…nowhere close to the same thing.
Instead of making subtle changes throughout the years with testing on Tundra, Tacoma and 4Runners, they introduced “all new” models with bugs that will need worked out. With so many all new models, the problems appear compounded. If you get my drift…
This a BS video. Toyota didn't recall the hybrid Tundra becaue the battery may help to keep the vehicle moving. It's right in the recall document. I noticed you skipped the part about losing motive power. You are just trying to finesse the situation. Are you get paid by corporate Toyota?
💯 trying to compare this to any other recall from a previous tundra recall is ridiculous and pure pandering to Toyota… $30k engine replacement when out of warranty is no joke, this is not acceptable
@@Wellh0wryaman here you are again spewing more false facts on how recalls work. Just miss information. I cuss maybe you’re the one that watched CNN then 😅
I paid so much for my truck and since I bought it it’s been nothing but problems. Now the truck been at the dealership for well over two month and just got notified it would be another month to finish the repairs and it’s not even for this recall. When this recall starts I’ll have to take it back. I’m so sick of it and honestly regret buying it
Made in the U.S. or Japan, if the process of washing out machining debris is the same at both locations (and why wouldn't it be the same), then that would explain why they both have the problem. Another video suggested that machining debris is a smoke screen for a bad main bearing design. Again, then the problem would occur regardless of origin. If it is only machining debris, a short block fix would seem to be inadequate since the oil carrying the debris flows through the heads where cam bearings would be affected as well as the main bearings. In any case, time will tell if these motors continue to accumulate with failed main bearings. There is an arrogance sometimes among engineers and fanboys that Toyota can do no wrong. I would caution people from drinking that Kool-Aid.
They haven't recalled the '24s yet because they are still trying to sell them. If they issue a recall, they have to fix them before they can sell them.
Within the last 2yrs, Toyota has undergone a whole philosophy change. They are no longer the "tried and true" Toyota of yesterday, but essentially trying to be the Japanese Hyundai.
Save yourself a headache and buy GMC 2500, I DID BEST CHOICE EVER. I’ve been a tundra owner for over 20 years and wish I had my last tundra that I babied (my 2018 crew max) but quality and dependability went south and fast. I purchased the gmc 2500 hd and don’t have one complaint and I’m loving it.
22’ Platinum owner, one thing I’ve seen is the transmission gets hot and you can smell it on basic trails, the “solution” on the forums is to use 4Lo but I was on 2Wd since the trail doesn’t really ask for it, at all.
I realized it when I test-drove the new Tundra in November 2023. While driving it, I heard an unusual noise, and I immediately knew it wasn't the right choice for me. I ended up purchasing a GMC Sierra Duramax 1500 in 2024.
Thanks, dude. I seriously am so beside myself for dropping a lot of $$$ on this, just to have issues like this happen. If given the option, I would trade it back for a brand new Taco paid in full and call it "even steven" for my troubles and now trust issues with a brand I've owned since '88 (Hilux). Toyota in the CONUS is going downhill fast. SMH
According to “Unhinged Motors” Toyota is getting ready to go out of business 🤔🤷♂️ Appears he forgot that the federal government bailed out several US auto makers, not so long ago.
