A light bulb went off in my head when you briefly touched on PLL voltages. On my Z790 Dark I bumped it to 1.05v CPU PLL from auto and I’m able to finish CB23 multi-core runs with 50mV lower Vcore under load! Its 50w lower and Max core temp is 2C cooler with my overkill custom water loop!
It's weird the random stuff that pops up to help. I gained 200mhz on a 6700k that was a shit overclocker by bumping CPU input voltage to 1.9v once. Dropped the needed vcore by like 0.06v lol.
@@Profetorum its fine pll's start at 0.9 and go up to 1.1-1.2 depending on the mobo in steps of 0.015mv (0.915, 0.930) but many will sweet spot and "be the most impact" below 1.1
Just for the sake of interest: I have this same memory kit. MSI z790 Tomahawk wifi with a 13700KF. My kit wouldn't post with anything higher than 1.43 volts. I tried the values in this video and then more conservative values but at 7200MHz it would fail benchmarks' Y crunch.. So I changed everything to Auto (in terms of values) Same training options and round latency etc and put 60000 tREF. and then 34-42-16-42. (Tried 44 and 46 for tRCD and tRP earlier as well but that didn't help). Then it passed the Benchmark tests with flying colours, north of 115GB/s in Aida64 (118GB/s Read) with latency of 54n/s. Next up was VST which I needed to lower my CPU offset in order to pass - that test sure does give everything hell! Anyhow, seeming great outcome from a weird configuraton. Checking the BIOS afterwards the auto set values are all much higher than you managed to get with this board. If you happen to read this I would be interesting in your htoughts :)
This is the kit I purchased - fastest 32GB kit Giga listed at the time - neat to see it being used here with a similar cpu and similar enough class of mobo (I have z690 Auros Ultra and i7 13700K).
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking There is a guy from UNIKO's Hardware who has tested up to 7800MT/s on MSI Z790 Edge (non-itx). search term "芝奇 Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-7200 搭配 MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI 超頻實測"
He said on another one of hsi vids that a tell tale way of finding out if you have a or m die is in memtweakit if your tRFC can go below 400 and stay running you have m die but if you cant go below 400 and it freezes and bsod right away then you have A die.
He said if tRFC gets lower than 300, than it’s m or a die. My Samsung kit just goes to 430 for example. But there are maybe some other sources on the internet 👀
Thanks papa BZ on this holy holidays, finally my only ddr5 ram kit I got a year ago can do this, too bad I got no d5 systems to try memory oc for myself and for the community center as a IT support for people's PCs, since I had to help my gf and fam groceries rip😅
@bobankmoh4708 dam I'll have to keep bumping my 6000c40 m die kit up. Currently running these settings at 6200 32-39-39-28. Gives me 55ns in aida64 already. I don't want to bother putting a fan on the memory tho. I'm only running 1.375v right now.
I gave up trying to run anything above 7200. I have no faith in the Intel IMC and wasted too much time thinking I have a stable OC, only for it to randomly crash. Overclocking my 13900k has been a frustrating experience.
You were more stable at 7400Mts without the hyper aggressive timings than at 7200Mts with the changed timings. Performance was the same in Aida too (54ns latency).
the settings I have running VST at the end of the video are actually completely stable. 7466 still insta crashes VST. I haven't tried 7400 again. I guess I'll check once I'm done with the stability proof video for 7200 but I fully expect 7400 to crash in VST pretty quickly.
Motherboard cant go higher than 1.435 volts (which I shouldnt need anyway but still) and whatever voltage 6000mhz Ram crashes at 6400Mhz. Even 6200 I cant get stable. Also bios update removed my xmp profiles.. any tips to get that back and working higher than 6000mhz? Is my ram just bs? Would really like to oc but whatever I do it doesnt work
I got a A die (gskill ripjaws 6400 c32 s5 k2 w 2x16gb), 13600k and a strix Z790-F mobo(atx). And would like to oc my memory a bit as a ram oc noob/normie. I dont have a ram fan but plenty of airflow in my case. Im finding it hard to find a guide which could help me out as im not sure if guides for different cpu/mobo/ram types are applicable to my build. Can you help me out or push me in the right direction? Can i copy these settings? Thanks. I like your honest and straightforward style im sure id like it even more if i wasnt such a noob
Hello BZ. Can i get the same results with mb gigabyte elite ax? I want to buy this mb. And may be you know something about rev. 1.1 of gigabyte elte ax?
Hello there and thanks for the great video, I enjoyed it a lot and I'm jealous about your knowledge of how to overclock ram that simple. Good content but I would like to ask some question please. I saw you used Mem tweakit but I only found complains it wouldn't run in modern Windows anymore. I thought you use Windows 7 but now I see the taskbar of Windows 10 so how did you manage it to work? Maybe you have some advice there. Even if not, I wish you the best, keep doing it. 👍 Best regards!
If anyone’s having trouble getting 7800/8000 on this board, and you have a good kit with adequate cooling try (cpuVDD2 DramVDD/VDDQ linked and run all those at1.55v) plus (SA 1.150v) (CPU VDDQtx 1.270v) if for some reason it won’t post walk up SA
I can confirm you can get A-Die with 5600MT/s kits Got a 32GB 5600/CL40 Kingston Fury Beast kit with A-Die in late January But it was for an AM5 build so not the best fit anyway
Btw what mobo r u using? Just got the z790 formula, 64gb 6400mhz ram any starting tertiary timings you would recommend also how do I know what die I have
To be honest I do not see why would you not be satisfied with this video. Because you haven’t squeezed last few promiles of potential performance that actually might not even be there and don’t make practical difference in the real life? Stability is more important for thee actual use. I find this video very life like and realistic. I love that. I have had many sticks in my life that would behave almost super stable at some really fast setting and would crash when you really do not want it to crash. It would crash almost randomly. No amount of voltage or tweaking would made it stable despite that it looked so promising. It performs super fast but would run into it self and crush when you have needed it to work the most. Even now I own Samsung B die kit that z690 mainboard would set the XMP1 profile to 1T. 4400, 19, 19, 19 what ever and 1T. XMP profile it should be stable right? Well it doesn’t work no matter what. Some other main boards set the command rate to 2T and that works perfectly. What I’ve meant to say is that for the daily use especially the stability is a must have. Over clocking bug tells you push further it’s possible but it is what it is. There has to be a limit somewhere. Sure we can push it with very slack timings and stupidly high voltages but we wouldn’t gain much of the actual performance so why abusing it? We need to take the win even if it was a little one especially if it was not to expensive. This performance out of such M die kit is good. Period. Video is good and shoves how to OC ram fast and good. I believe it’s awesome help for the OC enthusiasts with less experience and wish to make things work faster. Every video doesn’t have to be for cork sniffers only. BTW nothing negative was meant by it, I am cork sniffer myself that loves geeking out about every peace of electronic used. I was explaining difference in VRM decades ago and why in some generations mainboard was the most important part. I have been Overclocking from the beginning in the 90’s. I do enjoy mainboard analyzing at this level. Sure most of the consumers will watch some influencer that will say buy this mainboard it’s good. For them that’s all they want to know and they will take that information even from someone that doesn’t even get why is that mainboard good or might even just retelling what he has heard. And he will have more subscribers because it appeals to wider masses. But who cares. There is a content created for everyone. Keep on doing what you do. It is very good.
Thanks for the video. Question: Is there even any point at all to try and go this high on 12th gen, Z690, 4 ramslots mainboard? In my case, M-Die, Z690 aorus Master. Reason i ask is that i have seen some running 7200 speeds with M-Die on the Master, but with a 13th gen cpu.
There is a list of kingston ddr5 parts that describes which part number has which chips and it appears that the chips are not that random. I've got my a-die dual rank on 6000@36-38-38 kit using this list
It's tricky, because only in some cases we can be sure, 5600 CL36, 6000 CL36 dual ranks use only hynix A-dies, 6000 CL36 single ranks can be both hynix M-die and A-die, but more likely M-dies. 2x16GB 5600MHZ CL40 can be hynix m-die, hynix a-die, samsung and microns, but in QVL of motherboards you will see them described as hynix m-die which is not true.
hi bro when i enable xmp in bios msi z690pro a wifi ddr4 with 2x16 ddr4 3200mhz xmp it shows diffrent ram timmings on each ram sticks in bios but both ram sticks are same model why it shoes diffrent timmings can u help?
I got a Kingston Furry kit won't run at XMP speed 3600 Mhz DDR4 when pairing with the i5 13600K. Well every thing work fine until I start open games and programs. It only runs at 3200 Mhz at 1.35v. Should I just increase voltage manually till it run stably or just give up and let it be at 3200Mhz, I did try to increase voltage to 1.4v before but all timing being keep at stock setting provided by Kingston but all the program didn't run and my pc restart after a few mins . I also using the Asus Strix B660-A motherboard if that help. Kingston Fury Beast (KF436C18BBK2/32) 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600Mhz Someone please help, the problem keep bugging me and I am really lacking of experiences and couldn't solve it on my own. Thank you for your time.
Are you sure it is the ram? Pull one stick and try testing with 1 installed, try that with both stick, If it is always after a few moments have you made sure your not thermal throttling?
Saw this video and I was surprised my A-Die Sk Hynix couldn't even post at 7000.. But I was able to get stable (I think) at 6800 cl30 at 1.425V board wouldn't allow me to go higher than 1.43..
With good memory tuning and overclocking on both a mid range Intel 13th gen system and AMD 7000 systems, who do you think comes out ahead in gaming performance?
I'm running a MSI Z790 Edge, 13700k, and 32gb(2x16gb) of Gskill Z5 6400 CL32. Anybody have a good stable OC at 7200? I've tried the MSI "Try it" setting in bios but haven't had any luck.
The z790 Asus motherboards have the lga1200 mounting holes for the cooler and the lga1700 also, is there any difference (in terms of mounting pressure stability) if i use the lga1200 bracket instead of the lga1700?
Great video as usual! I heard it's a bad idea, even with the latest 7950X3D, to go over 6,000MT/s RAM. But some of the high-mid range motherboards list support for higher RAM speeds, like the ASRock X670E Taichi says it supports DDR5 6600MT/s (lots of people saying this is the best motherboard for this CPU). Other than being more expensive, is there any reason I shouldn't get say a 6,600MT/s 64GB (2x32GB) kit (with the lowest CL I can find) along with an ASRock X670E Taichi motherboard and a 7950X3D CPU for a BEAST system? And of all the high-mid range motherboards (US $450 to $650) which gives the best gaming performance with an 7950X3D & fastest supported 64Gb (2x 32Gb) kit?
Why is it bad? You can still get good timings on 6200MHz on reasonable voltages, 6400MHz is not worth it, well that's if even your IMC can do 6400MHz. Regarding you question just go for 2x32GB ram just go for KF560C36BBEK2-64 it's CL36 6000MHz Hynix A-die kit, pretty solid kit that it's likely will do 32(30 is possible)-36-36 on 1.35V on 6000MHz, maybe even 6200MHz on same voltage if your IMC can handle dual rank on 6200MHz + buildzoid timings. Using expo profile will only being a pain, that's why I'm suggesting putting all timing manually that will also result better performance. As for the motherboard, B650 Tachyon is not available basically anywhere, B650E Taichi costs $370(and basically has everything asynchronus BCLK OC included), if you don't need PCie 5.0 for gpu and have a usb DAC you can alsot go for Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX - $210 solid 8 layer motherboard with decent VRMs and ddr5 topology. You can also consider Asrock B650E Steel Legend for $270. Spending more is really pointless. For saved money here you can get better gpu like RTX 4090 Gaming OC or MSI Suprim both are for $1699
Just throwing it out there but that R9 is bad for gaming if that’s the goal at all. If you want gaming plus multi core performance, I’d suggest Intel Also, as someone that does have 13900K + 2x16@7600cl128 ram, I have to warn you that DDR5 beyond 6000 doesn’t really mean much till 7500, at which point it actually starts to perform better than tuned DDR4 I’d honestly stick to 6000 on AM5 and at most just tune timings and voltages since really it’s the IF you’re trying to mitigate while taking advantage of the giant cache. Intel needs higher ram speeds to get past the lack of cache
Current AM5 CPUs cannot realistically do much more than 6000 MT/s. Some lucky chips might do 200~400 MT/s higher, but stability will be questionable at best and the performance gain will be negligible. Fortunately, 3D V-Cache pretty much ignores memory speed for what counts. Get whatever sticks rated 5200 MT/s and up for cheap, you're set.
I heard that this kit but 2x32gb is 100% a-die dual rank im interested to buy what u think is max speed i can achieve with 13700k and z790 elite ax . now im using patriot 6200cl40 2x16gb and max i can go stable is 6800cl32
Used these settings (except voltage) for my 6000c40 m-die and just bumped to 6200 with these timings. Gave me 55ns and 102k read in aida. Not too shabby. Was trying to use your easy memory timings but timings are annoying to translate to msi. Subtimings seem quite similar no matter the memory speed as long as the ICs are the same. Weird you don't have to raise trfc with memory frequency tho. 333 at 7200 seems insane.
probably like everyone else, I run AIDA64 and other processor/memory benchmarks and use HwInfo64 to peek at what's going on in the system. I would have thought that memory latency would be a constant at a particular combination of bus speed, XMP settings, etc. But it's not. Why not? Is ECC getting in the way occasionally on DDR5 systems? (The default error correction that's built into non-ECC DDR5 memory that is)
Memory latency changes depending on the total load on the memory bus. Some memory types are designed to operate better under high load (e.g. "high bandwidth memory"). The total load on the bus is very random on a non-stripped system, and even on a stripped system we have lots of bloat (why do we need to keep track of how many CPU Cycles each process has been given?) that still makes the load random. In a vaccuum, it would be static. But we don't live in a vaccuum, we live underneath untold thousands of lines of kernel code constantly running in the background, prodding RAM all the time. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@@TheDoomerBlox so if you were just running something like memtest86 in real mode with nothing else other than regular timer interrupts going off, and given a specific RAM configuration and settings, would you expect latency to be constant?
@@treyquattro On a completely bare-bones x86 kernel that doesn't do anything, you'd only have your motherboard's UEFI features doing dingaling things to your RAM. Under those circumstances, it should be much more consistent.
I have a 13700k on a z690i with 2x32gb sticks of 6000 cl32 skill hynix A-die ram, but I can’t seem to get it to post at 1N command rate. Do you know what might cause that? It seems to not want to go over 6400 stably.
Use N=1 Or 2n both easier to get stable 1n didnt give me much performance gain to be honest slightly lower latency and bandwidth but was A LOT harder to get stable.
@@GewelReal It was launched at ~250. Currently it is very cheap yea but GPUs are also cheap, you can build a very decent gaming 1080p PC for like 600-650$ which Will outclass a 5600g by many orders of magnitude. It's alright for
@@andregomes3317 it's fantastic for mini PCs that can't fit a dGPU. But yeah, I wish AMD did move to at least RDNA 1 with 5000 APUs. Or at least a 6nm refresh with RDNA2 would be nice
im currently using green Samsung B-die at 6800 36-38-38 Hynix A-die kinda sucks at high speeds, you can be stable in tests but BF2042 will not agree And futher more with A-die 7600 i didnt see any advantages over Samsung, only more bandwith, thats all, while it need expensive board to run that and good imc
Because they've been awful so far for AM5, way to many issues. Gigabyte somehow this time became good in terms of overclocking ddr5 for both 13gen and AM5 platforms.
@@Kestrelms I'm gigabyte & msi biased kinda, but this gen now the Apex from asus is insanely good for memory oc from what I heard 8000mbps&+, however I still don't like paying that much(800 here rip) for daily oc pc till I find a cheap used one for doing hwbot scores.
Please help a normie! I have a 12900K and my Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Z690i DDR4 Lite RGB has malfuctioned. I'm making the switch to DDR5 because I was offered a full refund from the seller and the price for DDR5 seemed to have lowered since when I last checked. As a normie, I just run XMP and that's where I stop. But having this essentially free overclocking guide to the z690i edge, albeit 13th gen, makes me want to give overclocking another go. My question is, can my probably-average-12900K go beyond 7200Mhz, say 7600Mhz, or is it capped in some sort of way for 12th gen? If so I would go Asus Strix Z790i which seemed to be capped at 7200 but still have thunderbolt and an intriguing external sabre dac chip.
To give you a reference, I have a 12900K paired with a MSI Z790-A. I am running 2x32GB Patriot Viper 6400mhz CL32. The highest that I can get it to post is 6800mhz, but not stable at all. 6400mhz is the highest that pasts TM5. Mine is dual rank, so it puts more stress on the IMC. If you want to run SR setup, you might be able to get 7200.
Kingston just generally bins their DDR5 kinda loose. Like the 7200CL38 kit I have does CL34 no problem at XMP volts. IDK why they ship it at 38. This kit could have probably been 32-38 instead of 36-38
@@treyquattro Where is the fun if Ai will do something/everything for me? I like to learn for myself. It's how we as a species and individuals grow. I for one love the human experience.
@@ksenchy If you're that concerned over your SSD's lifespan just by using Y-cruncher, I think you have bigger problems to worry about, given Windows will write data to the SSD all day every day. They're BUILT to sustain lots and lots of writes, and Y-cruncher would take years to even show any signs of touching your SSD's lifespan, unless you have the most terrible OEM SSD to date.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thats sad. round about 1 year old. and its like ground saying, at 6400 is over🥲 only one good thing is i bought it for 250€ because of 3 bent pins. i fixed them and thought i made a big shot😂
Yeah I've seen 5200 a die kits oced to 8500 stable on air cooling using a 13900k and z790 dark kingpin(luumni im sure you know the ocer his a die 8000 profile is on the z790 dark if you have a decent a die kit it's "stupid proof" his words so fuck xmp but ik u were having trouble around that MT/s I think it u got unlucky with that a die kit u bought I could be wrong
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking they all failed even the 8000 profile? Huh he stress the 8000 to and his kit is was stable months before they put it in the bios. Well it must have been for him and his sticks, or u just stressed tested them more thoroughly than he did. I think his ram samples were like top notch from 5200 oced to 8533 or something close to that he was able to push it to those modules must have had excellent ics
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking sorry this is random can't find any info on this but you may have inside knowledge. Where is z790 unify x? Why hasn't it been released yet?
@Mr. Moto I do suck at texting but I wrote that JUST NOT LIKE THIS. Unless referring to the 4 dimm variant, I don't give a shit about. Not a bad board but 2 dimm boards are the way especially now that most ddr5 is 16 and soon 24 Gb per stick a die doesn't come in 32Gb also fuck who want to stress test 128 gigs of ram nope 64 is aids and overkill for gaming that is 128gb? id rather drink bleach
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Oh really? interesting. Perhaps that is why AMD clock lower than Intel on the core. I saw in one of your previous video's that its easier to stabilize ram clock on AMD than on Intel. It used to be a nightmare to stabilize ram on Ryzen, so cool its better now. But still, over 6 GHz ram clock you don't see that much difference, IF You can stabilize it at all. Im running 2x16 GB 6000 cl30 G.skill ram so i guess im good.
