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Overpriced vinyl records and audiophile Rip Off!
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I popped into HMV today, there was some expensive LPs in the there, but also a few less so. Also I have had appear in my youtube suggestions many 'Audiophile' experts talking about various pressions. All of this is to me snake oil, and this is what I think!
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@jonathanlane5432
@jonathanlane5432 Год назад
In my opinion, you are speaking the absolute truth. I’m in my early seventies and have been collecting records since I was a kid. I have about 1500 LPs, 2500 45s, 500 CDs and 100 cassettes. I have never bought an “audiophile” record, a remix or a duplicate copy of any of my OG albums. When I was a lad, I listened to some of the greatest rock and roll recordings in history on my transistor radio with its 3 inch speaker and just loved what I heard. Thank you so much.
@paulwibb.8944
@paulwibb.8944 Год назад
HMV = highpriced media vultures.
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 Год назад
Let's just be thankful that there is such a huge variety of older music that we don't have to indulge in real expensive lps. We can find original or good pressings of music from the past, when music was better by far, much cheaper. Cds are consistent, and more durable than vinyl. You don't have to buy many expensive audiophile lps before it totals to an amount of money, that you could buy a fantastic preamp or phono cartridge that would make your whole record collection sound way better.
@RocknRonni
@RocknRonni Год назад
You're saying that they rarely if ever take the tape and cut the lacquer directly from the master tape. well that's exactly what Bernie Grundman did with the UHQR kind of blue. That's why it sounds better.
@jaycoleman8062
@jaycoleman8062 8 месяцев назад
Finally, a video that mentions individuals hearing. That, imo, is the biggest variable that doesn't get much attention. Well played and greetings from across the salt...
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic 8 месяцев назад
Thank you very much.
@vitorfernandes651
@vitorfernandes651 Год назад
There’s a reason why the prices are high. They don’t want people to buy them. It costs a lot to make vinyl. It’s way more difficult too. And takes long. Their plan is to drive people to switch to cds or even better. Downloads. Downloads are the goal because they don’t pay for the materials. No shipping costs. No shelves needed. Just money coming in.
@austinhunt4260
@austinhunt4260 Год назад
I started off with a bias against you because I am exactly who you’re talking about… 43 years old who invests (discriminitingly) in audiophile reissues. I think you’re about 75% right… but there is something to the special craft touch of AP or MoFi. Not everything is perfect, but they’re generally fantastic and a cut above other pressings. CDs are too perfect and they’re a bit lifeless. Vinyl can be full of life and some of these Tone Poet pressings are transportive. Anyway, I found your analysis to be fair, balanced and objective. Thanks for sharing!
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I do own some mofi albums and they do sound good. However when you put them up against modern reissues that have had some care taken then I really can't distinguish anything between them. Yes the audiophile pressings have the advantage that there is access to the original source tape where is original pressing could have been for many generations down depending in the world where they were manufactured. However as I said in the video and in other posts why are these albums so expensive compared to standard 180g reissues. Quite often are cut by the same mastering engineers that do the regular releases. It's because of the old psychology that expensive is better.
@austinhunt4260
@austinhunt4260 Год назад
​@@MatthewNorthMusic I largely agree. I live in Switzerland and wear a EUR 270 automatic German watch because expensive is NOT always better and I derive pleasure from the rare discoveries when LESS expensive is AS good. But I honestly think it only goes so far in vinyl. I'll reference my experience with two MOANIN' (Art Blakey) pressings. My first was the 2012 European WaxTime pressing and I replaced it with the 2021 Blue Note Classics cut from tape by Kevin Gray and pressed at Optimal. While it's not one of my favorite records at all, there is an undeniable difference in audio quality between the two. WaxTime is your typical digital-sourced LP and the Blue Note is the offspring of analogue obsession. Now in this case, this AAA cost what it should and was actually a great deal by today's standards. It could've just as well come in a fancy box. My ultimate audiophile experience of reference, however, is the AP pressing of Muddy Waters' FOLK SINGER. OMG if there ever was a reference, this is it, Matthew. Cheers and thanks again. ​
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic it would all depend on your system, if you have decent setup you will hear difference
@austinhunt4260
@austinhunt4260 Год назад
@Dariusz Salamon I tend to agree, although my system is nothing special -- RT85 sporting a Hana SL, with a Pro-Ject DS tube PA. I'm very happy with it, although it's probably not "audiophile." If the difference is there to be heard, I can usually hear it. That said, I do not hear any difference between the 33rpm UHQR of KIND OF BLUE and the 45rpm UHQR, for example. I definitely believe the difference is there to be heard by some on certain setups. There is a bit of religiosity in this hobby, and it's not worth the investment if you can't hear the improvement.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
@@austinhunt4260 try others like Jethro Tull Stand Up and many more, Jethro Tull ain't audiophile recording but what AP did is just plain amazing, as fas as blue note original master tape, they are recorded well but today standards are different as far as recording, I collect them all because I compare them to high res files played through my R2R dac and they are acceptable but not that close to classic or tone poet releases
@ufobigfoot4002
@ufobigfoot4002 Год назад
I agree with you. I’ve stopped buying records except for the originals of ones i absolutely love. The prices are insane. Even the bootlegs I have sound good to me so I don’t care about “audiophile” nonsense. Some of my favorite records were recorded in basements with scavenged equipment!
@ccarney9019
@ccarney9019 Год назад
Chad Kassem at Acoustic Sounds is doing some great repressings and well worth the money in my opinion. Also, Blue Note have been releasing some of their classic Jazz releases over the past 2 years. Excellent pressings and very reasonably priced over here in the states. $25. They sound amazing. These are ideal as the original pressings for a lot of those titles are extremely expensive. I do agree with you that most are not worth the money, but it’s up to the end user and what they are willing to keep spending. I have been lucky that I am into Jazz and they have released a lot of top titles cheap.
@FogAndLime
@FogAndLime Год назад
Acoustic Sounds is pretty much garbage. 95% of their releases are pointless. Originals often sell for a fraction of the reissue price. He's just a salesman, and he's created a dialogue to sell his product. It's so bizarre how people worship this dude when he himself has no creativity, he's just a businessperson.
@michaelrogers8126
@michaelrogers8126 2 месяца назад
Chad in my opinion is no better than a used car salesman. His motto of “buy now, cry later” contributes to the problem of FOMO and drives up prices
@bogroll1881
@bogroll1881 11 месяцев назад
As an audiophile for most of my life I can assure you that cd is the best source, I still have lots of vinyl and for modest hi-fi systems you can get a more warm and engaging sound from vinyl. However only vinyl cut from an analogue master has a chance to sound better than a cd. On high end systems a high end cd player can sound amazing - even if the cd only costs £5
@philjones1750
@philjones1750 Год назад
I really enjoyed this video. I’m currently only buying 1st original pressing. Generally uk pressings preferably. The audiophile world can quickly become a rabbit hole that’s difficult and costly to escape from. I’ve just subscribed to this channel. Cheers for content 👍🏼
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Thank you very much I do have an audiophile shoot out video in the works coming soon. :)
@jasonhoffer9017
@jasonhoffer9017 Год назад
I respectfully disagree about your analogy of audiophiles and audiophile pressings. I do agree that the costs have gone off the rails and do I think that these audiophile pressings are not for everyone. I would propose that you actually buy an analog productions pressing and compare it to the regular version before making up your mind. Much love from Canada ✌️
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I have something planned along that line for a future video.
@illumon8
@illumon8 Год назад
Have you ever heard the miles Davis UHQR kind of blue? If so, I will take back my next statement. If not, you can’t really share a proper opinion without experiencing what you are complaining about. Sounds like you are disjointed about a part of v8 to collecting you cannot participate in yourself.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I'm sure it sounds very good. It should do for £200. My point is is it worth £180 more than if you bought hi res audio from HD tracks? is it worth £195 more than buying a CD of it ? How can you really tell if you say over 50 and like 98% of people over 50 cant hear over 15k. And the bottom line is that 1959 recording equipment is probably NOT up to the same technical standards as a 2022 Audiophile Hifi System anyway. Stay tuned. A Similar video about £200 gold plated phono cables will probably come along soon enough,,
@illumon8
@illumon8 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic I have heard these same arguments from those that have no experience with what they are criticizing. And the argument regarding whether you can hear high frequencies at the age of 50 is not telling the whole story. Yes high frequencies can’t be heard. But you are “assuming”. every listener in the world above 50 is simply fooling themselves by spending their own hard earned money on high frequencies the6 can’t even hear. So “you” are smarter than everyone else because “you” figured this out, while every single well to do, probably well educated person that can afford these records are just lying to themselves and they do NOT hear “any” difference at all, right? The are all Liars, right? Think about it man. Your commenting on something you don’t know about, because “you” have not even heard it. And yes, a low end stylus, will NOT give you the same experience. Their is a price for entry in to this realm and it does not cost tens if thousands of dollars to get there.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I'm not calling anyone a lier. If you have the same amp same deck same LP and have 5 different sets of speakers guess what every playback will sound different. Because it's speakers more than anything else that changes the sound of audio to the biggest extent. If an LP is cut from the same source as a cd, SACD, standard LP whatever the differences will be tiny if the transfer and cutting has been done properly. On akob someone made reference to the balance of piano Vs drums being different this is pretty much impossible if you are working from the same 2 track master tape. If the balance is noticeably different then a lot of post production work will have been applied and if so this could then be transferred to cd and to most people ears sound the same.
@tiborosz1825
@tiborosz1825 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic people have a hard on for packaging and a black plastic disc.
@spinningtheblackcircle8554
@spinningtheblackcircle8554 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic I recommend you A/B one of the all analog Blue Note vinyl reissues vs a CD or a vinyl pressing from a digital source. These are reasonably priced and sound fantastic. It’s nothing to do with high frequency hearing, the mid range is way more natural on some of these all analog pressings. The value is it’s much closer in terms of fidelity to the natural sound of an instrument. Same deal with Analogue Productions. You make some good points but the one you’ve made about the perception and therefore value attached to audiophile remasters appears to be based on assumptions rather than trying for yourself.
@VintageLuxmanStereoCollector
I have the UHQR pressings of Miles Davis Kind of Blue and Steely Dan Can’t Buy A Thrill. Both are excellent! I ordered Aja and Gaucho and will wait for their release. The packaging, LP material and sound are over the top and worth the money! I will wait on other Steely Dan releases on black vinyl.
@fabe8204
@fabe8204 Год назад
I hate the bulky, unnecessary and ugly packaging of UHQR.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
@@fabe8204 it looks like encyclopedia Britannica lol
@dannyelevelt2875
@dannyelevelt2875 Год назад
Listen to The UHQR Kind of Blue 45rpm and you want to destroy your cd!
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Listen to a Hi Res digital version of it for £20 and you will sob in how much money you wasted. . . .
@krwd
@krwd Год назад
Yep, and this fellow has not for sure. he knows nothing about Chad Kassem at Analogue Productions its all analog no digital in the chain at all.
@jackfalco5351
@jackfalco5351 Год назад
The 1997 cd using a tube tape deck sounds great
@quikspecv4d
@quikspecv4d Год назад
I have the HD digital copy on KOB, the UHQR 33 rpm, and the UHQR 45rpm. The 45 rpm definitely sounds the best. Then the 33 rpm and then the HD digital. The records definitely sound better. Weather it’s worth the extra money is up to the individual. For me it is worth it. The same goes for most of the UHQR’s and onesteps.
@CrueLoaf
@CrueLoaf Год назад
Nicely explained. I do like the quality and convenience of HD audio files.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I do as well, I like the convenience of my Ipod. of only there had been an Ipod such device that had like 4TB of storage it would have been fantastic for HD Audio.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
HD files of analog source would need to be mastered right with right equipment, very often that is not done as it should that is why I prefer vinyl cut fully AAA because digital done incorrectly cannot compare
@danfan4707
@danfan4707 Год назад
HMV was always expensive. I remember back in the day a CD might cost you £13.99 there while the same album was £10.99 in Woolworth, Our Price or Andy's Records. They had good sales sometimes though.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I remember HMV sales in the early 80s most fondly because I was able to buy all the albums I really wanted about 6 months after release for half the price. Such great albums has meat is murder by The smiths and alchemy by dire straits spring to mind.
@jerryspann8713
@jerryspann8713 Год назад
I have said it time and time again, the only reason audiphiles have their nose so far up vinyls ass is because of the price. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and if I remember correctly audiophiles the same people that claim vinyl is supperior hated vinyl because it was cheap. They swore on CDs saying they were state of the art no scratches and skipping because they cost $20 each. Now they hate CDs because some are selling for $5.00
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
There is a lot in that. There is this expensive is best attitude for sure.
@FogAndLime
@FogAndLime Год назад
1000% true. ALL phony, money grabbing garbage. if peeps are REALLY into the sound, buy the originals. If a casual listener just buy any affordable copy and move on! If the music is good, it will be enjoyable.
@rui1863
@rui1863 Год назад
I think you need to move that decimal point to the left by a couple. While I agree albums are too expense -- the quality of a well mastered and transferred album sounds worlds apart. I had an album which I thought sounded great and then listened to reissue and it sounded fabulous compared to the original album which sounded heavily compressed by comparison. I can't stand listening to the original, it's that big of a difference.
@rui1863
@rui1863 Год назад
@@FogAndLime More like a 70's rock album and I listen to all types of music. I will more than likely pick up a couple of Van Halen reissues. i.e. I also have Chicago CTA from both Analog Productions and MoFi -- both are good but I prefer the MoFi version. Why the hate for the 90's?
@ChrisStoneinator
@ChrisStoneinator Год назад
Totally on board with most of what you're saying, but I'd do some more research into the Nyquist-Shannon theorem. That's *not* what it says. There's a subtle but crucial distinction. If you sample at over twice the highest frequency IN THE ORIGINAL SIGNAL, you *can* capture it losslessly. If there exists information above half the sampling rate (22.05kHz for a CD), that information is "aliased" and reappears in the form of meaningless noise below the sampling frequency. E.g. a 27.05kHz component is reproduced at 17.05kHz, it's not preserved in any meaningful way, it just becomes noise. The task for the mastering engineer then becomes band limiting the transfer of the original signal, in either the analog or (far more likely) hi-res domain, before downsampling to CD quality... without introducing ringing artifacts from a sharp cut-off, and without having such a shallow roll-off that too much noise is still preserved. This in practise is far from trivial. So CD is in theory capable of exceeding the limits of human hearing, but in practise presents audible flaws. *How* audible then becomes the subject of discussion. Mind you, a CD is not nearly as flawed as dragging a needle through a groove on a plastic slab designed in the 1940s!
@vanhetgoor
@vanhetgoor Год назад
A Pound Sterling is no longer worth 453 grams of silver. This isn't new, this is for a wile now.
@DavidMorley
@DavidMorley Год назад
All valid points. Also, the major labels have the printing plants tied up with overpriced reissues, whilst the independent labels who release new music on vinyl have to wait months for a pressing slot. So annoying.
@scagooch
@scagooch Год назад
In Canada the. Defunct chain musicworld gave you vinyl in a red bag designed to deflect the suns rays. Which i kept them.
@kevinmcgrath3591
@kevinmcgrath3591 Год назад
Lets have BluRay Atmos disks in LP paper gatefold sleeves, I love the large format artwork and I love the BluRay quality
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
If you want the best of everything. Blu Ray audio is where it's going to be.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
still not that great for all analog masters
@slippdixon228
@slippdixon228 11 месяцев назад
Love the ones I’ve picked up. If you don’t want to spend then walk away, that simple. Will continue to buy those that interest me. The difference on my rig is completely evident, better(IMO) and wort the price of admission.
@johnmcbarron7282
@johnmcbarron7282 Год назад
The better your sound system, the more one can appreciate the best audio file prints.
@pnichols6500
@pnichols6500 Год назад
Exactly, if your system can't resolve the fine details, then doesn't make sense to buy records you can't appreciate. But, if you have spent multiple thousands of dollars for audiophile quality sound, then these recordings can sound unbelievable. My wife is a big "Yes" fan, and we just bought Close to the Edge, that is directly mastered from the analog master tapes to vinyl, and she was astounded that an album she has heard a thousand times, had instruments and sounds she has never heard before. Yes, it was worth every penny of the $55.00.
@crosscatch
@crosscatch Год назад
@@pnichols6500 I bought the 45 RPM edition of fragile, and at some points it doesn’t even sound like the same recording, in a good way. There’s more transparency and more separation between the instruments in it quite phenomenal.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Sorry but this is absolute rubbish. I have spent 30 years in broadcasting engineering among other things. There is physical limites to what can be achieved to say you need a £25k hifi to appreciate a £200 pressing that you can't appreciate on say a £1000 hifi system is total rubbish. This is the legacy of the audiophile. People that play records to listen to there hifi and pat themselves on the back because they feel they have done the right thing spending tens of thousands on overpriced hifi with the £100 phono cables and never forget how the gold plated mains connectors and stupid conditioning transformers really make a noticeable difference in the sound. Spoiler alert they don't !!
@crosscatch
@crosscatch Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic The greater transparency, detail and deeper soundstage on your best pressings can be fully appreciated on your better stereo equipment. I have had equipment that didn’t offer the best imaging as well. If you don’t appreciate it, well, that’s fine too.
@pnichols6500
@pnichols6500 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic I have two different systems, both are nice, but one has more resolution and sounds more musical, also happens to have cost more. You can say I can't hear a difference until your dick falls off, but even my wife is blown away by the more expensive system .
@matthewstearle7395
@matthewstearle7395 Год назад
I agree,they take the Joy out of enjoying music.
@davidlacey2588
@davidlacey2588 Год назад
Agree with everything you have said. Spot on. 👍
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Thank you
@johnhoven600
@johnhoven600 Год назад
For the major part i do agree with you….to distinguish the hearing difference you got to have an audiophile equipment…in the beginning of the video you are most likely refering to Michael 45 from Germany…he has a einstein gear that costs over 100.000 euro…with a good hifi set you will certainly hear the difference,mit all comes down to….do i want to spend that kinda money. Greetz from holland
@allen-rp3gm
@allen-rp3gm Год назад
Too many pressing issues with modern vinyl. Difficult to return them to many shops at least here in NYC.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I agree there are a lot of quality control issues these days. Its a shame that 10-15 years ago most new vinyl was of a pretty decent standard.
@allen-rp3gm
@allen-rp3gm Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic I bought a lot of Jazz-Funk reissues in the 90's. Most of them were good quality pressings.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
you can always buy and return on amazon talking about new vinyl, I order a lot of titles and my exchange rate is about 2-3%
@allen-rp3gm
@allen-rp3gm Год назад
@@dariuszsalamon9441 I didn't use Amazon for a over a year and they just cancelled my account because I hadn't ordered in over a year! But when I did order new vinyl that's what I did.
@dean8553
@dean8553 3 месяца назад
I can hear the difference between an mp3 and flac, to the point I can't listen to mp3. They sound terrible to my ears.
@richardsinger01
@richardsinger01 Год назад
Muswell Hillbillies is a good buy at £15.99. I would have been tempted too - if I didn’t already have an old copy. Pricing in 2023 is high, but you have to bear in mind the cost of manufacturing for a niche product is high. I don’t buy many reissues these days and I never buy the audiophile albums, mostly because of the silly priced but also my hifi isn’t going to do it justice. The of course you can usually buy a second hand cd for £1 if you look long enough!
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
It's not at niche as it was in say 2006 when high quality pressed lps sold for way under £20 as standard
@richardsinger01
@richardsinger01 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic I was buying mostly CD then or the odd charity shop LP then so I don’t remember those prices. Presumably prices were lower because the lp market wouldn’t bear any more. My head is stuck in the late 70s and early/mid 80s where an lp cost between £3.50 and about £8 depending what it was. An album costing £7 in 1986 is the equivalent of £26 today, taking inflation into account. My brain rails against the price, because I can’t help thinking an lp should cost around a fiver as it did in my youth. The £7 price reflected the need for the record company to recoup costs and make a profit though, so why it costs £30 today is down to exploiting the market. The bubble will burst eventually.
@seand67
@seand67 Год назад
How does the MIles Davis CD sound ? Was it remastered ? I have the original CD from the early 90's and would love a better sounding upgrade
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Every cd is remastered in some way. This one sounds great to me was from around 2007.
@leonhardtart7163
@leonhardtart7163 Год назад
Got the main argument... Ability to hear the frequencies. Right. In the case of different geometries of needles you can hear the differences very well even with normal boxes. That's because the whole groove is scanned.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I would assume most people have there turntables set up properly.
@leonhardtart7163
@leonhardtart7163 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic it's NOT the set up, it's the TYPE of needle in the stylus/cartridge... Elliptical, spherical, ... and all the other more sophisticated geometries.
@scottmattern482
@scottmattern482 Год назад
You make really good, educated points. But at the end of the day, anyone can easily hear the difference between an exceptional pressing and a mediocre pressing. Also, not all "audiophile" vinyl pressings are sold with premium packaging. To be fair, there are some definite cash-grabs that are sold at premium prices but sound worse than much less expensive pressings. To completely discount the experience of a good pressing with premium audio equipment, isnt being completely honest about the audiophile community. Its true most people won't notice and/or care about the difference between streaming a song and listening to an "audiophile" quality recording, but that doesn't take away from the people who do care.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
What about a £150 audiophile pressing and a £25 high quality 180g well cut LP eg music on vinyl ?
@scottmattern482
@scottmattern482 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic idk, sometimes there is a noticeable difference and sometimes its just an attempt to grab money from collectors. There is definitely a big difference between a good pressing and a not so good pressing, nobody can argue that. I mean, if its your favorite album, you have a good enough stereo system, you enjoy listening to music, why not buy the best possible pressing you can afford?
@michelraffin7006
@michelraffin7006 Год назад
Yes too,expensive nowadays…when i,bought the Beatles white album back in 68 ,i paid it just 7 euros …and for a double album!!!
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Those were the days :)
@peterlaffey6328
@peterlaffey6328 Год назад
There was no such thing as the euro in 1968 .
@paularmstrong6078
@paularmstrong6078 Год назад
I still have a record (excuse the pun) of buying the 2011 reissue of Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream on vinyl for £11.49. It now sets for around £250. I stupidly sold it on just before the prices went crazy, as I did my original press (You would have thought I would have learned my lesson). I remember bidding for hard to get records on ebay but if they went over £20 That was too expensive. I'm glad I got Kind of Blue on UHQR but got caught up in the hype with the Hendrix. I worked at Hmv for a couple of years before the takeover and was responsible for the vinyl section. The prices just kept getting crazier and crazier even with my 30% discount!
@gormyoder4611
@gormyoder4611 Год назад
Interesting discussion - I think that the buying values of the consumer will always trump whatever any other individual might opine on the subject (i.e., is something overpriced or an audiophile rip-off). However, from personal experience (as an audiophile), the perceived sound quality of the remaster is always in competition with the hype from the vendor and the expectations of the consumer - it is here where objectivity can sometimes get blurred or other important factors could be overlooked when evaluating the product. From a purely sound quality perspective, I’ve come to the personal conclusion that the remastered product can sometimes be superior to the original (or other versions out there), but not always (including hi-rez). So one is left with other factors to consider (e.g., packaging, liner notes, session photos, artwork, materials, etc.) when determining the value of the product. Sadly, the day will come when a new Beatles remaster (from the original master tape) will only sound as good as music from a high quality Edison Cylinder (or were destroyed in some fire) due to deterioration. Even those old recordings sound amazing because the musical performance transcends the media if you are able to lose yourself in the music. Investment in archival technologies whether it be digital or otherwise makes sense from this context in order to be able to preserve musical legacies. CDs are going through the same period now that vinyl did in the 80s and 90s where real bargains can be had on the used market or box sets featuring complete works of artists can be had for sometimes less than $2 a disk. I personally like the re-issues that Mosaic Records does (jazz re-issue label)- much of the music is unavailable or has yet to be re-issued on any format (the session photos and information is immaculate) and can be had at a “reasonable” price - but again my tastes are not for everyone. To be fair, the cost of doing these limited edition re-issues is not always cheap and requires some specialized talent, but will only command prices that the market will bear.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
For sure some re issues will sound better, esp if they came from the source tape, maybe with the odd flaw removed as well.
@jimromanski2702
@jimromanski2702 Год назад
Some of what you say here I agree with and some I do not. I'll mostly comment on what I don't. Hearing - You are correct that most people loose high frequency hearing as they get older. However, I don't agree that you can't protect against it. Many studies show that protecting your hearing makes a significant difference in how long you will keep your good hearing. I have worn hearing protection since my 20s. I don't mow the lawn without protection. I don't go to loud concerts or ride subways without protection. My hearing is measurably better than friends and siblings of a similar age. Also, high frequency hearing ability is not the only factor in hearing high quality recorded music. I think most people would be well served by your advice to buy used records or even CDs if they don't have the equipment to hear the difference. But I have high quality equipment like electrostatic speakers and old modified tube amplifiers and a good quality turntable, tonearm and cartridge. You will hear a difference in an audiophile recording...I do. Everyone who comes to the house and listens to these recordings on my system does as well young and old alike. Are the records worth it? That's a personal decision. I won't buy audiophile recordings of music unless I really love the material. So, I have a batch of audiophile recordings but not as many as other guys like me. For example, they're putting out the entire Steely Dan catalog. I bought Can't Buy a Thrill and it's breath taking how good it is. I ordered Aja too but that's it for me. There are not enough songs on the other albums that they did that interest me so I'm not buying them just to have audiophile recordings. I may be a collector, but I play my records. Also, the big fire that you mention did NOT destroy as many recordings as originally thought. You can read about it on Wikipedia. Many originals survived and many were not kept there. For Christmas someone bought me Neil Young's Harvest 50th anniversary box set on CD. I played it and it's quite good. Good enough that I don't feel the need to go find an audiophile vinyl addition. So, I'm with you that folks shouldn't automatically buy new vinyl. But some of it is exceptionally good and yes overpriced. But price/value will always be up to the buyer. Cheers!
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
I was ready to say something but I will just say Merry Christmas to you
@The_Music_Sanctuary
@The_Music_Sanctuary Год назад
The problem with OG's, they are hit and miss if your are not able to look/inspect the record yourself. Someone's VG+ rating, when in fact it's at top's G/VG, your putting trust in a total stranger on Discogs......
@FogAndLime
@FogAndLime Год назад
people care too much about grading details-----another audiophile obsession. if it doesn't skip and plays relatively clean it's fine.
@ChadMasonFilms
@ChadMasonFilms Год назад
There is the odd bargain in HMV - just picked up the new Suede record on ltd Ed grey vinyl for £15!
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I spotted both of the suede album for that price. Shame I don't like suede!
@ChadMasonFilms
@ChadMasonFilms Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic 🤣 can’t please everyone!
@mrk8212
@mrk8212 Год назад
I have an SRV MOFI one step and the CD. Without question the MOFI is better sounding, and I guarantee that it would pass a blindfold test. The MOFI record is silent like no other record in my collection which reveals detail I dont hear in the CD. The CD has a slight harshness in the high end that the record does not. The record has a better bass mix. Worth the extra $$? Only for a handful of your very favorite albums, I think. There are some that I would like to have but when you figure out that 5 MOFI One Steps ($125 ea) or UHQR from Analogue ($150 ea) could buy 3 to 5 times that many great sounding new records my "audiophile quality" wish list drops to 1 maybe 2. I am going to get the MOFI Van Halen debut record, and possibly Hotel California. I really like Steely Dan Royal Scam (and other UHQR) but at $150 per I lose interest.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
out of interest have you played the same album as hi res digital ?
@mrk8212
@mrk8212 Год назад
No, but I see that for $25 I can get the high res from HDTracks so I am going to do just that.
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Год назад
Adjust the bass control on your receiver for more bass. I'm sure the MOFI boys sure did. They like to goose over there.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic I did compare many High Res to so called Audiophile records and if high res conversion is not done by using high quality ADC and if you don't have decent quality DAC in your system vinyl sounds always better of course if your analog playback is good quality, I own Denafrips DCC connected to Pontus 2 R2R DAC and it sounds really good but I still prefer my VPI Prime Table with 10inch toneram, HANA ML cartridge and Ayre K3xe fully balanced preamp with fully balanced phono stage build in, my turntable has XLR junction box so I don't hear too much noise even at loud levels out of my analog system, before I switched to XLRs I used RCAs and was getting lot of noise at high levels
@nigelgilbey312
@nigelgilbey312 Год назад
Some of what you say is true but I think you have to do your homework better when you talk about uhqr analogue productions records these are very special and I'm 61 yes I have great set up which you properly need to hear the best out of them but they are always much better than digital represses and they are fully analogue masters which I agree alot of them aren't but I make this comment because you particularly targeted Analogue Productions which you are incorrect saying they are digital master's.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Are they so good that they are worth 10 times what you pay for a 'normal' 180g LP sometimes from the SAME master tape ? And quite possibly cut by the same engineer?
@nigelgilbey312
@nigelgilbey312 Год назад
No of course some are not worth it but sometimes to get originals they are even more expensive also I am talking about analogue productions and they are making great records at the moment and yes they are very expensive to import because of shipping and Duty. I have a mix of originals and even digital repressses which some are great all iam saying is Analogue Productions are making some great records at the moment but of course Lots of people can't afford them so they won't buy them does that mean it's a rip-off? Music is always the first thing that matters so just buy it the best way you are comfortable with. Most audiophiles will always buy the original press but sometimes that's not possible.
@curtbradley549
@curtbradley549 Год назад
The Industry has OUTDONE itself ,top dollar for... in alot of cases ..really crap quality !! I Have NOT PURCHASED a new Album in 2 yrs . I have zero plans too as well.
@richardsinger01
@richardsinger01 Год назад
16 kHz is actually pretty good for a 60 year old!
@shenidan2023
@shenidan2023 Год назад
Thx for posting this is a good overview and great advice
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Always like to help people not waste money.
@positivelife3034
@positivelife3034 Год назад
I was in Hmv today, they want 59.99 for a copy of Blurs Parklife 😂
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
My god !!!!
@jt-hn6ur
@jt-hn6ur Год назад
I am sorry but the pressing dues matter. I have tested my CDs against the same album and the album always wins. Keep in mind I have all original copies. Not surprised that the cheap repress of KOB lost out to the Anniversary edition CD. Put that CD up against a original copy and you will hear the difference. You say records have limitations, well CDs have more. I have done this test with different friends and they also could hear the difference. I do agree with you that there is way too much hype around these over priced Audiophile pressings. The original almost always sounds better.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
One of the main things you're probably noticed from the CD compared to an original pressing of a kind of blue is it a running a slightly different speed.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I would agree though in general terms that an original pressing manufactured in the country where the album was recorded and therefore has minimum amount passes from master tape to lacquer will in most cases sound better. However if you take the original master tape and you make a very high resolution digital transfer i.e. Neil young kind of sampling rate. You can remaster the album to a much higher standard than you ever could using a tape machine to analogue equipment straight to disc. If you then cut this to a lacquer then you will probably get a better sounding record. Rather you will have a more accurate sounding record but that is not to say that is how the record should sound. For example some audio files have complained about the pressing quality of the Beatles singles box set however if you compare one of those singles to an original pressing they're very close because the whole point of pressing Beatles singles in the 60s was to make the sound loud and exciting. Anyway I don't know why I bothered so much about mentioning a kind of blue I don't even like it all that much. Decoy is always my favourite miles Davis album :)
@jt-hn6ur
@jt-hn6ur Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic Yea thats the process Mofi uses and their records are not better sounding. Even more proof this is not true. I have compared many records that had a "high resolution digital transfer" and the original sounded better. Not only to me but to my friends also. Neil Youngs albums that were done analog are pressed all analog from Neil , no digital step.
@markboyle9941
@markboyle9941 Год назад
I am a music lover, a record collector with a substantial collection of both LP's and CD's and I would be considered an audiophile by many (design and build a lot of my own stuff). I have to agree with you 100%. Audiophile pressings aren't worth the cost of the plastic they are pressed on. I have tons of original blue note and verve jazz pressings and they sound a million times better than new ones. As you rightly say, the CD's are better than newer pressings. I think £30 for an album is obscene let alone £100 when the original lp can be had on eBay for a fraction of the price. Sadly a lot of so called "audiophiles" in the hobby give those of us that are sensible a bad name. Rant over! Love the channel by the way.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Why thank you very much. In the main with lps I usually prefer a good first press to anything else.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
not all ogs are good sounding
@arize84
@arize84 Год назад
@markboy Could you afford your Blue Note OG pressings today?
@markboyle9941
@markboyle9941 Год назад
@@arize84 This is a bit of a complicated yes and no answer. If I were to buy new re-issues or search directly on eBay then no. With regards to eBay I tend to look for job lots that contain recordings I want (sometimes first-presses (blue note, verve, Decca etc...)). I also tend to look around record shops too. The laws of supply and demand often work in my favour as I collect Jazz and classical records. Even though some are valuable to collectors like me, they are of little value to the core clientele of some shops, so they tend to shift them cheap (and probably still make a bit of profit) to free up the space. Good stuff can sometimes be had in charity shops as well, always worth a look. I completely agree with what you are getting at with your initial question, no I couldn't afford them right off the bat, and I'm not prepared to pay obscene prices. It's hard work but bargains can still be had.
@markboyle9941
@markboyle9941 Год назад
@@dariuszsalamon9441 In some cases I agree, re-issues (from the LP-era that is) sound better. Sometimes the poor sound quality people mention, especially with mono records, is the fault of stereo equipment and not the LP. Microline and Shibata and sometimes even hyper-elliptical styli frequently don't work well with older mono records, they track poorly compared to the conical styli of the day. I use two turntables, one fitted with a restored mono pickup, and the other for stereo records. Mono switches on pre-amps also work wonders if you can't easily short out the terminals on a stereo pickup.
@grock9263
@grock9263 Год назад
Totally agree HMV prices went up after lockdown , they need the money , well so do we ,,,Paul Weller Wild Wood vinyl retails at £44 ,,,you can get the CD in a second hand store for a couple of quid ,,,if played on a decent system its probably gonna be a more enjoyable listening experience , cheap CDs are for real music lovers ,
@whssy
@whssy Год назад
Wonder if the pricing you talk about in the first part of this video has to do with the state of the pound Matt? I've not been noticing extreme price differences here in Denmark compared to before Brexit.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
These audiophile LPs were well expensive back in the 80s!
@illumon8
@illumon8 Год назад
Actually in the 1980s , records were even more expensive than they are today given the inflation that has occurred. Middle aged people these days are starting to talk like our parents when we were younger. Of I used to buy a loaf of bread for $0.50 US. Now a loaf of bread is $4. Is the bread worth $4? Yes because it’s 2022. In 1980 the right price was $0.50.
@illumon8
@illumon8 Год назад
I simply don’t understand your argument. Sounds like your upset you can’t afford more of these records. If that’s the case, your doing just fine finding deals on Originals. But t9 say the manufacturing of many audiophile records is not valid. You first of all need to actually purchase some of these higher end audiophile records to be able to properly comment on them.
@gingernutpreacher
@gingernutpreacher Год назад
You are right about audiophile pressing. But there are several reasons for the price increase 5 years ago they were roughly in line with inflation now with the fire at a vinyl pellet factory then There are other global issues but they noticed people were still buying records and so the price gouging started so eather supply catches up or deanand drops that's the only way price's will drop. Oh and digital recording started in the 80's either direct or digital mastering on the analogue tape
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Yet Music on Vinyl can produce superb sounding LPs graded my many as Audiophile to sell for £20 ?
@gingernutpreacher
@gingernutpreacher Год назад
I have brought 2 new record's since getting back in to vinyl. 80's stuff is still cheap some of the 90's stuff is trance/dance but some of that is demanding good money finding some of this new stuff is coming on the second had market at the price it should of been in the first place
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
A lot of 90s vinyl and early to mid 2000s commands a high price, for the simple fact stuff was made in small numbers. Some of the mid 2000 vinyl is great, Kraftwerk Minimum Maximum I regard as one of the best pressed LPs of all time.
@allen-rp3gm
@allen-rp3gm Год назад
At one time I had 2 vinyl copies of Genesis Trick of the Tail. The US MFSL from the 70's and a UK 1st pressing. Both were fantastic sounding. Then I discovered that some of the 1st US CD pressings were "contract pressings" made by JVC Japan for US distribution. I found one for $5 and sold both of the vinyl copies. These Japanese CD pressings have a unique mastering that just nailed it. And being for US distribution they look like the regular US pressings and don't command a huge premium like Japan for Japan pressings.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
British pressing of genesis titles are much better than US, only good US pressings of Genesis were done by Classic Records
@screen54
@screen54 Год назад
We seem to be in complete agreement, particularly over pricing. I find it odd that Gary Numan's Intruder double album weighed in at 22 quid. Nick Cave's Carnage single disc set came in at 27 quid in the same store, same day. We need some sort of consistency or the vinyl resurgence will wither and die. (Possibly not a really bad thing?) Even with reasonable gear, I certainly prefer CD over records 99% of the time. I choose vinyl records because I enjoy the whole ritual and can actually read the sleeve notes. Regarding that pressing of Kind of Blue. It is ok but I agree with you. The CD knocks it into a cocked hat.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
you never try real analog rig so you don't know what you are missing and not talking here about 20GS turntable
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
My main deck is a garrard 401 I also have a heybrook which is basically a very good clone of a lynn
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Год назад
@@dariuszsalamon9441 Most people are priced out. I'm worth a decent amount yet watch every penny because I want to retire and we have a down market for a decade or so. Inflation isn't good for portfolios and if you lose money during that time frame, it's twice as bad. Live on austerity and don't take a double hit by withdrawing.
@screen54
@screen54 Год назад
@@dariuszsalamon9441, you're making assumptions here. What do you regard as a real analogue rig? Im comfortable at the price and happy with the performance of my Systemdek, Roksan Tabriz and Ortofon Red. If I had money for high end gear, I would upgrade the room it sits in :) The fact remains, with my money and importantly, my ears, CD wins.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
@@screen54 not making any assumptions, Happy New Year to you if your analog sounds less than CD you are missing something, good mastered and cut vinyl sounds much better than CD
@shonstewart4957
@shonstewart4957 Год назад
Hey buddy kind of agree with you I realized that better equipment will sound better but there's no need to spend a $1000 pressing or a $100 20 is the most I've spent on a record most of the time everyone somewhere I'll get a really good one that I really want and I'll spend maybe 40 or 50 but me on that no thanks
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
There are some VERY good modern pressings some regard Music on Vinyl as an audiophile label, and though they don't have all the fandom of UHQR I do think they sounds great, and I've not paid more than £20 for any of them.
@sidvicious3129
@sidvicious3129 Год назад
While I can agree with you about marketing hype and over priced records, I don't agree with you on hearing in particular. There are older people that actually hear better than younger people because some of them listen to their music in their cars so loud as to start the damage to their ear drums earlier. Streaming while easy, allows you to own nothing. In streaming if your internet connection or the service goes bankrupt tomorrow you own and will have nothing and that might not be a bad thing for some. Cd's while great and I still collect them because cd were never released in vinyl form and some vinyl records have never been released in cd form. When it comes to pressing and audiophile in particular, there are differences in some cases due to the technical skill of the mastering engineer. To use a blank brush to paint audiophile pressings as not worth it, is not correct because with the used market you can find bargins. There are differences in sound quality in cds, vinyl and streaming, if it is worth the cost is a different matter. Some early vinyl sounds like crap because compromises were being made to satisfy playback on less than ideal system, cars and tape players and this applies to CDs as well. A lot of Cds that came out when CD was released were over compressed and sounded like garbage, I remember them well. I used to think as you do thinking that something wasn't worth it and not really doing the research to back up my thoughts. I simply went off of cost and that was it. I had a good friend challenge my thinking and he took me to an audio store and he had me listen to three systems, in three different price categories and he told me that if they didn't sound better than mine, he would buy me dinner and give me cash up to 25 percent of the cost of the lowest priced system out of his pocket toward the price of that system. Well I took him up on it and I lost. I was able to hear the difference at the different price points, now if or not it is worth paying for is another matter. My friend opened me up to the used market of audio and I never made blanket statements without trying things out myself. I do it all, stream, tape, cd and vinyl and I enjoy them all. What someone spends is their business, because each person income is different. These type of statements can be made about anything, bike, cars, homes, tvs, cellphones, boats, watches and it goes on and on. The thing is have fun with audio, which is what my friend taught me and it doesn't have to cost a fortune, but don't knock the next man or be jealous or envious for what they can afford and you can't. If you don't want to pay 30-150 for an album don't, but don't discourage the next person, possibly because of any bias, not based off of fact. This hobby should be about the music first, and the system is just a mends to that end. Also the room is as important acoustically as the system. I do respect your opinion on the matter.
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Год назад
With streaming, don't worry about the service going bankrupt but worry about who has the rights to the music not signing the contract. What did you have to say about the about-face reversal that Mike 45RPM and Michael Fremer made once the emperor (MOFI/most modern pressings ) was revealed to be naked (digital)? They were saying "lovely" and "wonderful" because they had nothing else to compare. They could have bought 10 different pressings but with import duties, VAT, and shipping it's unrealistic. That's why well regarded reissue labels and first pressing in country or origin are a general rule. If you look at a sneaker early in it's usage, it has fewer wear marks. Same logic applies to the masters and their relative usage. If most are priced out of a mass market hobby, then it's bad news for the rest who collect. That already happened in the 90's, remember? If stores can't make a profit because volume isn't there then they'll close. I enjoy a car stereo for what is as most music was designed to sound good over that medium. If you reduce the orchestra to only Strads, then you won't have much of an orchestra. Someone once told me you could play 100 versions of an album and he could tell you which one was his. Enough said! If it's a mass produced product, it should all sound the same. Many reissue labels like Mofi goose the bass because audio "fools" refuse to use equalization and view it as contamination.
@sidvicious3129
@sidvicious3129 Год назад
@@DorianPaige00 You make a good point about ownership of the music, but if your internet is down in your area, due to weather or etc, you have no music if you stream. If Tidal, Qobuz and Deezer or whatever you have is out of business, your library and choices are gone, no matter if these streaming companies have the rights to the artist or not. I actually addressed Michael 45rpm, about originals and being able to make fair comparison based off of originals because most of my collection is originals. When you talk about Audiophile labels goosing the bass, well even the mighty Bluenote and Vangelder goosed the bass down so that the recordings would sound more uniform across the systems of the day. A ton of manufacturers did this equailization back in the day, so it's nothing new. When we talk about a mass produced product and something sounding the same, its far more complexed than that. A ton of mixing Engineers, bring their own talents and faults to the mix and can either make improvements based on skill or absolutely destroy an original because even the original engineer made compromises based off of equipment choices at the time or their bosses decisions. It comes down to the age of the person and their hearing, what room are you playing your music in and is that room Acoustically treated, either naturally with pictures and carpet or are you going full bore panels. What type of system do you have, amplifiers, preamp, turntable, cartridge and phono preamp. Now notice I never mentioned expensive in that mix because it doesn't have to be with the advent of the used market. You can have a 25,000-50,000 system in a bad room for that system and speakers and have worst sound than a 1500-2500, 5000-10,000 system. You can have speakers and subwoofers that over pressurize a room and sound horrible. What we need to seriously get away from in this community is the NAME Calling. Someone doesn't need to be an Audio Fool, because they are an Audiophile. They may have a different priority than you. If we go buy that logic, then we have people that are Motorcycle fools, House fools, bicycle fools, watch fools, Home and Garden fools, Photography fools, Golfing Fools, Basketball Fools, Football Fools, Car Fools, Cleaning Fools and the list can go on and on. Part of the Fool thing comes from jealous and envy, which bleeds into condescension. Never try and put yourself in someone else's space based off of your finances because it's a fools errand. Audiophiles to a degree have done this to themselves by being arrogant and obtuse. Non Audiophiles are also responsible because they judge based off of the money spent, envy and a feeling that the Audiophile has made them feel inferior. No one can make you inferior, but yourself by believing in it and if you do that is your own fault. Be happy with who you are and what knowledge that you bring to the table and use this as a guide to your record collecting process and audio journey, because if you do, you won't care about what someone else has or what they call it. I'm an Audiophile and very proud to be one because I have been on both sides of this spectrum and evolved from both sides of the Audiophile argument and I believe in letting others live in their own space without the name calling that frankly goes nowhere. My wife could careless about Audio and a good system to her is her Apple I-phone and Bluetooth Speaker, but she has amazing hearing and she can pick things out of a mix without being told to do so. My wife hates that I made her aware of certain things sound wise, but that's just it reviewers of music and gear are taught what to listen for, which is why they can pick out spacial cues, like Michael Fremmer. I also agree with your implication that some of these Audiophiles feel foolish because now that they know that their favorite albums, like Santana "Abraxas" are from digital, they are loosing their minds, want to sell their collection and file class action lawsuits. Again most of my Mofi one-steps are a small amount of my over all collection of 7000-8000 records and 10,000 cds, 100 tapes in both reel to reel and cassettes. I maybe have 25 one-steps and 75 original Mofi, if you consider the Mofi of old the white and black label stuff before the One steps. I only own three UHQRs. The big problem that I have with MoFi, is that they lied, that's right outright lied about the process. Will I still buy them, sure, will I sell my Mofi collection based off of that lie, no. That lie didn't change the way the records sounded, either good or bad, but now it provided clarification so that better and more informed purchasing decisions could be made. I have Mofi One-Steps that I pointed out to others that I thought sounded not as good as originals and some that I thought sounded better. I don't own nearly as many Audiophile or Mofi pressing as most because I love originals when I can find them and I love to make the comparisons to the Audiophile pressings so that I can hear the differences. You see, I have been on both sides of this coin We should all be talking about the music first and the gear second as a means to that end. I stream, play cds, records, cassettes including reel to reel and I love it all. I also agree with you about equalization as it can make a big difference, but it needs to be quality and vetted as to not harm and be a good overall fit with the rest of the equipment. Calling one an Audio Fool, doesn't strengthen you, it actually weakens you because those that are comfortable with changes and differences don't feel the need to be condescending to others and that goes for Audiophiles and non Audiophiles. A cheaper solution by Schiit Audio, the Loki is a great equalization tool and is an example of what you spoke of. Be comfortable with your choices and let others be comfortable or uncomfortable with theirs.
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Год назад
@@sidvicious3129 I have your Circuit City type package. I have a single tray Onkyo cd player, a Technics receiver, Infiniti speakers, and Koss or Sennheiser headphones. I tried vinyl and never really liked but I thought the 7" single was pretty neat. I've heard decent sounding cassette decks but you don't have direct access to individual songs and I wasn't a fan of noise reduction. NR is applied to many reissues at least as far as cds go and engineers don't know enough to back off especially on the fade when you get a distorted swooshing effect. Most albums that I like weren't really reissued to death. I have mostly classic soul and jazz with dabbles into southern rock, country, and occasional blues. In all honesty, I don't like wide dynamic range. The way music comes out of FM radio sounds best to me. I know they're manipulating the sound as you rarely hear the song fade out until it's about 25% of the peak volume. I was always bummed out when I got the actual copy and fade started much sooner than I was used to.
@sidvicious3129
@sidvicious3129 Год назад
@@DorianPaige00 I agree with you about the NR as it could be very aggressive. I listened to some of the same stuff as you do, but I will try more artist outside of my comfort zone, or at least I think they were and Tidal allows me to do this without making a physical purchase. I listen to R&B, rap, rock, progressive rock, Heavy Metal, Reggie, Jazz, Classical and Country? If I love it, I will save it to my playlist and decide to buy later. I’m also a big headphone listener as well. There is a guy that you should check out for jazz on RU-vid, there have been no reissues and that artist is Larry Bright Soul Visions. If you are Into Pat Metheny, you will enjoy this, it is jazz fusion at it’s finest, as it is a good listen start to finish. I can’t wait for a reissue as originals are extremely rare. I also have no problems with your Circuit city package. I bought a Denon Home theater receiver at Circuit City before they closed that served me well for years until I upgraded.
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Год назад
@@sidvicious3129 I window shop on youtube which doesn't have a bad selection between personal uploads and the label sponsored vevo's. Soul Brother did reissue the cut "Tomorrow's end" a few years back on a compilation called Fusion with Attitude. I'm surprised they or Jazzman didn't get the rights to the entire album. I have so many comps chasing soul music and it's tough when labels like Motown didn't label what mix they use or as quite often the case, inadvertently create a new mix in an attempt to recreate a given version. That's the OG argument in a nutshell but I'm a format freak with the cd only. I've never run out of things to buy. My guess is 50K in count maybe more. Surprisingly I'm not much into fusion. I do like the some of the Mainstream titles and the stuff Larry Willis did. I go from swing to bop to hardbop. Then a dabble in that impressionistic post bop style heavily influenced by Jackie McLean, Elvin Jones, Herbie Nichols, and Thelonious Monk. I go like the more creative side of smooth jazz but it has to go places like George Benson or Ray Obiedo. Speaking of the Jazzman reissue label......they reissued Uncle Funkenstein's Together Again which is one that's rare, funky, and sounds great. It's an indie release but James Spaulding, Mel Rhyne, and Larry Ridley join him on this 1983 date so there are a few familiar players.
@magnuswettermark8293
@magnuswettermark8293 Год назад
I built up my vinyl collection in the 90's and 00's. I get them almost for free becouse nobody wanted them,they was old garbage mostly everybody says. I started buying vinyl in 1972 and never get on that CD hysteriatrain like everyone else did. The reason the prices is high now its becouse these cd clowns has find the vinyl again. I am so glad i have all these old albums in original first press most of them. Peace🤘✌️
@robertbyington7715
@robertbyington7715 Год назад
First off you speak in such simplistic generalities it’s hard to understand your point beyond that you think records are too expensive. The QVR releases of the Steely Dan catalog at $150 US is an extremely good deal; for the following reasons; it’s remastered by one of the best sound engineers ever Bernie Grundman and it’s on the highest guality clear vynal available: all the albums are gatefold with original artwork. The Soundstage on these albums are Killer even though they were some of the best engineered albums at the time. In fact Count Down to Extacy set a record for the amount of tape it required to record. Finally trying to find the black label ABC pressings of these in any type of collectible condition VG is almost impossible. Discogs wants 50-75 US for what is available These are limited releases and at a $150 they will probably triple in price in the next 2 years. So I would suggest you get a better understanding of what your purchasing before your critical of the price. Funny if you buy a Rolex nobody complains about the price because it’s a Rolex same with these Steely Dan Releases.
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
Bernie also cuts regular priced albums as well . This is kind of my point
@robertbyington7715
@robertbyington7715 Год назад
@@MatthewNorthMusic The point is i have most of his reissues specifically listen to his Tull Aqualung and more specifically Thick as a Brick there is NOTHING out there even close. I just get tired of people putting videos together and all they do is complain about the price without talking about what you get for your money. Nobody is requiring anyone to buy anything if it’s something you don’t want for any reason just don’t buy it. Or if you are going to talk about the price then say why you think it’s not worth it. All good
@robertendsley8312
@robertendsley8312 Год назад
Michael 45 is on the “Promo Gravy Train”. Watch his videos. Every. Single. Record. He reviews is “WOW” and “AMAZING” the promo gravy train…….
@kristofvadnai7468
@kristofvadnai7468 Год назад
maybe because he reviews the best quality releases, like tone poets and analogue productions pressings, and he has an insane system in which he can appreciate them
@robertendsley8312
@robertendsley8312 Год назад
@@kristofvadnai7468 Very True. I have many of the ones he speaks of and Yes. They are ALL fantastic sounding albums. But cmon. Does. Every. Single. One. Need to be ALL the adjectives described herein.
@TheMax1230
@TheMax1230 Год назад
How often does he pick the audiophile pressing over the original pressing?
@kristofvadnai7468
@kristofvadnai7468 Год назад
@@TheMax1230 If youre actually asking; idk, because I havent really been watching the recent comparison videos. But I often hear people say these remasters are better than the originals.
@jackfalco5351
@jackfalco5351 Год назад
M 45 consistently says original sound better than most of the reissues
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Год назад
Cd is superior. Vinyl is just like the transgender movement. Big spike once the masses got onto social media. In the high frequencies, there's not much music up there anyway. Folks can tell musical differences as there is probably less distortion around the drums and bass. The music just sounds sharper in the frequencies you can hear. You mentioned high generation tapes being spread around the world. I was some RCA/BMG Australian imports of artists like Hall and Oates, Evelyn King, Dionne Warwick, Five Star, Hues Corporation, Odyssey, etc. There was a lot of tape hiss and that was probably the reason. This multi-disc sets at the time had tracks that were not on cd yet. What were the bubbles like in the cds you found? The only rot I know about was from non-distilled water that was used by PDO at one plant in England. The visible oxidation would start immediately. Furthermore if you do see "pinholes", those occurred at manufacturing and are most likely okay.
@mikemcguinness1304
@mikemcguinness1304 Год назад
I wonder what system you have
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
In the living Room a Garrard 401 Turntable with an Audio Technica Tonearm, an Ortofon cartridge. A Technics SE-A900s Amplifier (This one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lpns0L6GZCs.html ) And a Pair of TDL speakers. I also have a Marantz CD player 2 Reel to Reels a Revox A77 and a Pioneer RT-707. Cassette Deck is a 3 Head sony TCK515S. And A Pioneer blueline tuner.
@dariuszsalamon9441
@dariuszsalamon9441 Год назад
every 45rpm AP release I purchased sounds better on my system when compare to digital or OGs, lets talk about the doors by example thus far the best sounding vinyl of those titles, I have modest system no 20gs turntables just VPI Prime with Hana ML cartridge my amplifier was made by Ayre model V3 and preamp Ayre K3xe all fully balanced including built in phono stage, I have balanced out of the turntable, it makes huge difference no noise from analog playback at all, also Hana Stylus is so great with retrieval of the sounds from the grooves without ticks and pops, I clean all my records even new before I play, Blue Note OGs are expensive but in the past they were cutting them limited on the top and bottom to avoid problems with tracking, current cartridges and tonearms are more advanced so nowadays that is not a problems to cut the same music with extended top and bottom, all Tone Poet and Blue Note classic vinyl cut nowadays by Kevin Gray and other masters sound so better
@ndrsnvrz
@ndrsnvrz Год назад
Hope your new cassette from Steely Dan sounds great!
@MatthewNorthMusic
@MatthewNorthMusic Год назад
I don't really like Steely Dan much..
@FogAndLime
@FogAndLime Год назад
LOL!!! Steely Dan is horrible grocery store music. You couldn't pay me to keep those records!! awful.
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