Overthinking Eurovision 2022: Spain, "SloMo", Chanel 

They have the same cultural background. Brithonic roots on Galicia, Britanny, Cornwall and even Wales.

The songs and performances are very different. There are no more similarities between Fullen & Terra, than between Terra and Stefania. They are songs which fusion contenporary music styles and tradition. That's all. I agree that there were similarities in the costumes they chose.

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@Domingo Aguirre SloMo can have as much work as it wants done in the background. It doesn't change the fact that it's a rather standard hyper-produced pop-song of the type I find extremely boring, it actually accentuates that even more :) Thee same dislike of hyper-produced pop-songs is why I hope against all hope that my country of Sweden do poorly so we at least once take the chance on something that isn't that. There's so much more to music than hyper-produced pop but because people feel it has so much mainstream acceptance that you can't win without it that's all we ever send :(

@@Winterbay sweden's song is the most heartfelt, though. Wouldn't mind it winning.

@@Rafaelinux To me it's not even the best song about a breakup this year, both Belgium and Portugal are way better on that topic.

@@Winterbay the lyrics in Portugal's song have Maro's granddad's death as its source, but of course the death of a beloved one is a kind of breakup too...

@@Winterbay is Portugal about a breakup? I thought it was about her grandfather dying or something like that.

Yes! Is truth

Wow! I didn't know that.

I can't tell just by translating this if you're being sarcastic or serious. LOL! I'm only going on a translation of the lyrics I found on an ESC reaction website. That and "booty hypnotic". And I know Chanel has done a lot - she's obviously an awesome dancer, and I gather she's done a lot of acting too. My impression is she's had a very successful career. I'm not aware of her doing any other music besides this. Its too bad, she's charismatic and seems like a genuinely sweet person. But this song....sorry, just ick.

@@aekelly hello Amy, good morning I don't think the lyrics are so and so important (unless the intention of these lyrics is to send a message) Summarizing its lyrics, it is telling you to move your ass and start dancing, that is definitely the translation. Would it be anything? TRUE. That does not send any transcendental message? another truth What was intended with this song? having a good time, that's the reality, after two years, locked up, with so many people who have died, in fear every day. Something like this was missing, a show that would make us dance Point and aside to tell you (unless you have mistranslated that you understand that she only works on songs like this) that Chanel has mainly worked on musicals of the stature of "El guadaespaldas" or "El rey Leon" and in her interviews she has vindicated those thousands of artists, who many times are not even named, with the tremendous ability to sing and dance at the same time, something magical and very difficult for me. What was intended with this candidacy of Spain? "Get up, get off your ass and dance and have a good time, we've been through enough darkness already" and I think they succeeded. A hug.

@@montsers01 hi there! Nice to meet another ESC fan. I'm happy to agree to disagree. 😊

@@aekelly If there is respect,,everything is valid 🙂even your opinion !! 😎😄😄 Un saludo grande😘

@@montsers01 😂😅😅

Would a Spaniard consider this offputting? Would they consider Latin vocabulary to be "incorrect"?

Not incorrect, it is perfectly fine, but it doesn’t sound “natural” to us.

Omg! We just found out she has another talent 😨😨😨! Chanel never disappointed 🤭

Como rosalia, la cantante más famosa de españa

Latino here! Did not know that jugo is zumo in Spain it sounds super strange to me

Era imposible que saliese otro Chiquilicuatre, ya que RTVE hizo una selección previa. A menos que ellos lo pusieran allí, nadie podría ganar con una parodia como esa. La excusa intenta ser buena, pero no lo consigue

@@noev76 A ver si esta te vale. ¿por qué los votos se reparten así? Muy fácil. Si el popular valiese un 50%, el demoscópico un 25% y el del jurado profesional un 25%, sólo haría falta que fuese alguien muy conocido y con muchos seguidores para tener ganado el certamen. Imagínate Ana Mena/Alvaro Soler/ Lola Indigo. El voto ya lo tendrían ganado incluso antes de presentar ninguna canción. Por tanto, este sistema actual favorece que se presente gente desconocida en el mundo de la música con buenas canciones y que cuente con las mismas garantías de ganar que cualquier otro candidato más o menos famoso; ya que el jurado profesional no va a valorar sólo quien haya detrás del micro o sus raíces, sino también la canción, la puesta en escena y otros elementos en los que los seguidores no nos fijamos. Ya me dirás que te parece esta "excusa" Noelia.

@@eduman2156 que te parece así? 33%/33%/33% Por cierto, el jurado votó mediante puntos (estilo Eurovisión) mientras que al demoscopico y el del público se le asignaron cantidades fijas en función del puesto (el que más votos recibió x, el segundo y... Etc), en lugar de repartirlos en función de los votos conseguidos. Lo que está claro es que el sistema de votación estaba perfectamente calculado para que ellos tuviesen la sartén por el mango. No se trata de fama, no se trata de no enviar a un nuevo Chikilicuatre, se trata de tener el control de quién va y tener la última palabra. El voto del público era un "quedabien" para tener a la gente contenta y a callar. Pero lo hicieron tan rematadamente mal que se les vio el plumero

@@noev76 A mi me parecería correcto, pero al final siempre alguien saldría descontento. Es que mires por donde lo mires siempre habrá gente descontenta. Creo que el resultado del público tampoco demuestra fielmente lo que la mayoría de España quería. Muchos Eurofans no votamos por la tarifa que costaba cada mensaje o llamada. Además, se supone que el jurado profesional no tenía ningun representante de RTVE, por lo que no entiendo lo de la sartén cogida por el mango. ¿quién? ¿o crees que dentro de rtve presionaron para que el jurado eligiese según sus indicaciones? Pues claro. Por poder... pueden formularse teorías conspiratorias de todo tipo. Mira. Te voy a dar la razón. Hay cosas que, aunque desde el principio del certamen estaban escritas y fijadas en las bases, dan pie a poder mal pensar. Pero... por una vez que nos ofrece RTVE una preselección en condiciones... ¿Vamos y montamos el drama del siglo? Eso es lo que me da auténtica vergüenza, que hasta en el extranjero se enteren de nuestras movidas sin sentido. Mi pregunta es... ¿Cuándo se dejarán de lado los rencores de esa preselección y se empezará a aceptar a Chanel por lo buena artista que es y por el temazo que lleva a Turín? Te puede gustar más o menos, pero no se puede negar que el pack que ofrece Chanel valga la ilusión.

I liked that. Still do. I am not spanish

Born in Cuba, yet raised at Spain since she was 3. She'd be the first one to tell you that she's as much spanish as cuban, if not more (mostly because she has stated as much many times over by now ;)).

Exacto, por mucho que este señor haya intentado ridiculizarla 😉

Literal

Literal. Muy bien explicado. El panorama en unas pocas líneas.

That is defamation. Which factories and corporations have orchestrated a campaign? You should check the facts before making those serious allegations. You may like or not the runner ups, but there is no need for you to make up fake allegations to defend your opinion,

@@beatriceposada7504 so you agree with the rest of the 500+ words I wrote down then 😂 Gosh, you fanatic supporters are simply ridiculous crying all over the internet! Galician corps to their employees, girl. Get informed... and a life!

@@beatriceposada7504 They aren't fake allegations it's the truth that been happening in my country. Many people are mad that Terra & Ay mama didn't win because they wanted those songs to represent the country because of idelogies they weren't judging the performance Chanel was the only one with the whole package & she was the only one of the 3 of them playing fair. It would have been way easier for her to do a campaign like the others about social representation asking people to vote her as she was to be only the second latin american woman to represent the country in more than 60 years of history of the festival. Yet she decided to let the performance speak instead of bringing up politics.

It blows my mind away how Spaniards flex they could speak other European languages but god forbid you ask them to sing in other co-official languages. Spain pretty much spit on the face of bilingual Spaniards.

Christer Bjorkman moved to California from Sweden to help develop the American Song Contest. He's produced Melodifestivalen for Sweden and a couple of Eurovisions (if you ask me nobody puts on a better Eurovision than Sweden).

@@aekelly The problem with Sweden is that we put on way too much Eurovision...

@@Winterbay LOL! Well, when you're that good and you win a lot! 😏😏

We know, very sorry about the misidentification. An apology video has been posted. Not apologizing for Spanish food dad jokes though.

The Benidorm Fest wasn't there to chose the best artist, it was there to chose whoever you want to be represented by before Europe

Yeah. Like in BenidormFest, she was also third. She didn’t win.

@@samantha7549 no, benidorm fest is a way to get a better possible act to win, pero en vez de eso vosotros votais con el corazón y después no llegamos ni al top 10 como con Blanca.

Channel or Chanel?, maybe both.

Yep

This is solid info - see correction video.

RTVE never published any votes by province. So nobody really knows where the votes came from. But the televote only accounted for 25%. The demoscopic vote was designed to avoid that the votes is skewed geographically and to ensure that all demographics are represented. I would be interested in knowing why RTVE decided this was necessary when many other countries don't do it...

According to wikipedia she appeared in 236 episodes of that sitcom, she wasn't any of the women in the picture though

Weeell... yeah, we probably exaggerated a little by saying that Spain has done "arguably worse than the UK." That word "arguably" is doing a lot of work there. Here's the best argument though: the UK finished 5th in 2009 (fun fact: it was an Andrew Lloyd Webber song). The last time that Spain finished 5th or better was... 1995.

UK average placing over that period: 20.6111... ES average placing over that period: 18.944... So on average UK has done slightly worse than Spain but on the other hand the UK has a 5th placement as best while Spain only has an 8th placement 😊

Okay, we concede the UK has done worse than Spain, but can we agree they BOTH have done very badly for longer than many of the current competitors have been alive?

I think that's a fair assessment of the situation yes 😂

@@Winterbay Thank you! That's what I meant "the average". Forgot the word in English 💀

We watched more of those videos than we had to and they are really sweet.

How’d we do with the pronunciation?

@@overthinkingit peeeeerfect!!!

No, not at all. There were two main favourites for the public and “SloMo” wasn’t one of them.

@@Mezzanine_ Wasn't one of them for u. Sorry Sonia, but... your perception is not the only one that exists. There was a lot of diversity of opinions and everyone saw what interested them. Or else the demographic jury also lies according to you? Chanel won because she deserved it. And whoever says the opposite is because she doesn't know how to accept defeat.

And performed better than average in eurovision

Yeah, we are. But not for the song or the singer(Well, maybe the song after such a beautiful feministic anthem as Ay, mamá). It's about the feeling of being cheated by the public television, they take our money from the televote, but our opinion (public and demoscopic) wasn't take into account. Just after the jury vote (the first one) we knew Tanxugueiras wouldn't win, they voted Tanxugueiras with the exact points that made imposible to win even if they win both demoscopic and public. Strange, huh? One person of the jury voted Terra with less points than a song which wasn't performed during the festival, as the singer tested positive for Covid and wasn't allowed to sing live. His entry was jugded by his music video.

@@noev76 no one cheated on you. The rules were clear. Did Sweden cheat on Swedes not choosing Anders Bagge instead of Cornelia?

@@phillobates yes, I'm not the only one feeling this way. And let's not begin with everything behind this election. Shall we? It was decided before the festival even started. Nobody gave a shit about that song before the final. It was nobody's favourite. They wanted that song and they elected that song no matter what. If they wanted that so badly, they could chose it directly, without making people pay for a vote that didn't decide anything. I wish her all the BEST in her live, don't get me wrong. I've nothing against her, just the song and the way It was elected

@@noev76 everyone reading this girl's comment: it is not true. Had Rigoberta won the televote our representative would have been her (that proves nothing was decided beforehand). This girl is just pissed her fav didn't win.

Tanxu fandom is ok with Rigoberta winning and the other way round but both fandom are against Chanel victory = they are not supporting their entry fully but going against Chanel in every single way.

Fake. Totally fake. Only one mobile company did that and was 300 votes.

It is very easy to repeat what you have read somewhere else, without having much knowledge of the facts, without checking them, without realising how damaging your comments can be. Lots of people from all around Spain voted both Tanxugueiras and Rigoberta, not just from Galicia. And even if you were right and only Galicians or Catalans voted, that would not make the votes less valid. It would have meant that people in other areas could not be bothered vote, or they did not like any songs. You also talk about nationalism without knowing what it practically means. It is not the same in the nazi times, than in Ukrainia or Galicia or in the Basque Country. In even within those areas it will mean different things to different indibviduals. If you had done your research you would know that nationalists do not get that much support in Galician politics. It does not take much research to know that Franco, Fraga, Rajoy and now Feijoo son productos da terra either. Do your research before stating your facts. Also the Benidorm Fest is open to participants of all sexes, ideologies and religions. So even if political orientation had played a role, which haven't, that should not be a criteria to make any of the runner ups less worthwhile. We do not longer live in a dictatorship were only the singers who support the ruling party or ideology can participate. Also I am not sure if you know that nationalism in the Galician context, means that they support their own culture and identity. It is not a synonym of independentism. The majority of the Galician nationalists, which are not that many as you lead to believe, feel Spanish and do not wish to change their status. They just want to see their culture respected. If you were really in social media following the Benidorm Fest, you would know that Galicians in general and their culture received a lot of undeserved humiliating hate too. Defenders of the Andalusian, Aragonese or Galician culture want their music, traditions and language to flourish, not at the expense of other cultures. Those feelings have nothing to do with those people wanted to be independent or being separatists. You can check all those statistics online. You should read the lyrics of the other songs to understand what they talk about. It is not about politics. I do not support Unidas Podemos, but I'd rather have a song supporting maternity or another one about the value of the women ancestors that passed on the rich cultures that coexists in Spain that a message that says look how I move my bum and you get a hard on. Unless, you have not read the SloMo lyrics and have not understood between the lines. Still, I do not make any allegations against Chanel, as I am sure that the fact that she wears suggestive clothing and sings those lyrics with a sexualise dance does not indicate that she is a woman that makes a living by making men hot...in exchange for financial compensation (euphemism). At the end of the day it is the people who accuse both Rigoberta or Tanxugueiras of making these a political issue, the only ones who are making this political. Rigoberta and Tanxugueiras fans, have not accused Chanel's fans of being machistas, misogynist or encouraging women to have sex to improve their economic status or that her supporters are pro-violencia de género, Now, thoughtless people who have crossed the line to express the hate against the 3 top artists, unfortunately In spite of everything. I admire Chanel for her working ethos and I wished her the very best. And I hope one day she can write and compose her own songs and perhaps she will move me as much as the other 2 songs. Good luck in Eurovision Chanel!

Ug, so embarrassing. We posted a correction video.

Yes. Rigoberta was my favorite. I know she would have flopped with that...ahem....prop above her head - as symbolic as it is, people can be so immature and it would have just gotten a lot of the wrong kind of attention. But if they just got rid of that, that song was joyful and catchy and the message was beautiful!

It's not? Is she the one on on the right or none of those three women?

​@@overthinkingit No. None of these actresses is her. But, in addition, there is another mistake. At minute 2:01, she is not a member of the acapella group "Super voices". The girl you point out is Marina Juan (Bijuz).

Ug, okay, I clearly have brunette face-blindness. I might post a correction tomorrow just to be fair. Out of curiosity how did you recognize Marina Juan, who does not appear to be very famous? Are you a SuperVoices fan? At least I correctly identified Chanel in "El Secreto de Puente Viejo," right?

@@overthinkingit The clip is from Gym Tony, a show in which Chanel did appear, but she's not in that particular scene. You mistook her for Mariam Hernández.

Yes, in two occasions you pointed a girl being Chanel but she's not.

Why who would of done that?

That's only true if you consider comments like "the contest was rigged" an abuse. Nobody blamed her personally

@@ramonparada not true. She has received dead threats, racists comments, sexists comments.. So she closed down her Twitter account.

@@phillobates that thing was exaggerated. You can check that her twitter which is not closed by the way, she just stopped tweeting. In the comments of her tweets you can see that this was exaggerated

@@ramonparada I've seen it with my own eyes. Not only on tweeter but on RU-vid where the comments were reported and deleted. You're whitening the whole thing which it was appalling btw.

People always talk about how the chiki chiki was a disaster, but, that year we came 16, that is better than average since the 2000s, the chiki chiki performed better than 59% of all the other songs from 2000's. It was ridiculous? yes, it was a disaster? no, in fact it was pretty average, and even a little bit better than average.

Perfectly said, thanks Berme for your clear and specific description about the facts... We love your channel and love your videos., great job.

Ay Mamá is an Anthem for political reasons

Thanks for the info - we have posted a correction video.

Your right, but the intention of this video is to create controversy, this guy is unaware that Tanxugueiras got most of their votes from Galicia, helped by telephone companies with free sms.

@@emiphone-home7613 not really and there was only one company that was for free, that company practically nobody knew it existed infact only 300 or a little bit more people voted there it wouldnt change much the results if we didnt count them, other thing not all Galicia voted for them many people around Spain voted for Tanxugueiras and if it were, what happen? Galicians cant vote? Tanxugueiras did really well if the song were a shit believe when i said that many of them wouldnt vote them, and also the song is way better than Slomo so its normal that it would be more popular and also for the fact that it was in another language and it was different, Chanel is really good and im happy that she is going to Eurovision but the favourites one were Tanxugueiras.

@@Fati.Ferreiro 300 votes? lmao,, the bar alone that gave away free beer if you voted for Tanxugueiras got around 150 votes,,.. Even if it was one or one million votes it's not right to be buying vote. This video's intention is to again discredit Chanel.

@@emiphone-home7613 well and just telling what i heard about it and because im Galiciand and i, some family members and some friends had to pay like the rest, lmao oh but yes sorry you are from Barcelona, right? So you obviously knows everything🙄

@@emiphone-home7613 and i dont think that they want to discredit but they are telling their point of view of the others or what just because Chanel Won you have to inmidiatly like Slomo?JAJAJAJJAJ.

Allegations of France being a copycat could have made sense if this year's entry would have been the next year's (like with Achille Lauro accused of copying Måneskin, which btw is also an uninformed assumption). How could they have known about Tanxagueira's success this year considering the last date for submitting a song for the French NF was in October last year? Some kind of Celtic witchcraft prophecy?

As speaker of Galicia, part of your country: tremendo facha, que no reconoce que hay más culturas que una en su propio país y quiere imponerlas.

It's an utterly superficial song that will be forgotten quicker than saying Adios.

I don't know, this one might stay on the jogging playlist for years. It's a bop as the kids say.

As a gay man I found it quite repulsive and desperate how in your face they were showing their as-good-as naked butts. felt like I was drowning in ass! 😂 I think this song is so mediocre that nobody would have remembered this song, had it not been the only Latin dance song one this year. (Also the bass line in the chorus is stolen from another popular club song! I don't know the title because I hate club music, but it's a very recognizeable and prominent synth melody, so it's still obvious to me despite the fact it's not even my genre!) And I'm disappointed that the song was ranked so high and apparently left an impression in people's minds, rather than just on their faces.

Has this been reported and confirmed in Spanish media? I wouldn't mind an article/video talking about it.

@@tagaway6173 Se confirmó.

It has been reported in several media outlets and RTVE was even asked about this at the press brief following Chanel"s victory, they could not do anything about it cause there are no rules saying that mobile companies can't buy votes, which is what essentially happened. To confirm it even further two friends of mine living at A Coruña where offered free phone calls & sms , directly inciting to vote for an specific artist., still RTVE can't penalized those votes cause again there are no specific rules about it. My claim is for people to get facts correctly. Chanel has gone through enough hate coming from a toxic fan based. I didn't vote for her but she's our representative and I’m 100% behind our girl.

@@tagaway6173 Tanxugueiras had a lot of support from Spanish Eurofans and Galician people (like they had a 50% of audience in Galicia the day of the Benifest) but that company only got them around 300 votes iirc. It wasn't a lot but I mean, from a total of 150.000 they got 100k so thats A LOT. No one knew Chanel before the Benidorm Fest and she wasnt even among the favorites to win, but she shook everyone and did it.

Please stop lying and spreading misinformation. Spain is one of the countries with less crimes against women in the whole world. Por favor deja de mentir y desinformar. España es uno de los países donde se cometen menos crímenes contra las mujeres en todo el mundo.

@@hullie7529 What missinformation are you referring to? Any women that die because of their gender are one too many.

Benidorm is in the Valencian Community, at the other side of the country.

Even if it was there, the televotes are from all around the country, aren't they?

@@tagaway6173 Yep. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Galicians came out to a higher extent than other parts of Spain.

Sure but so what? Tanxugueiras won the voting in a landslide, and the fact that most of those votes came from Tanxugueiras fans isn't surprising or unfair.

@@overthinkingit Galicians were given free sms and free calls to vote for an specific artist, I think people should know that small detail. It has not only been reported but personally 2 friends of mine living in Galicia benefited from this and they voted numerous times., Most of Tanxugueiras votes came from Galicia. FACTS

What a prude

I'll say the same to you when a man sings a mediocre song about how all the girls are drooling over the bulge in his pants and the performance consists mainly of several men shoving their barely concealed crotches into the camera and you don't enjoy it. Not that that would ever happen, but I can dream...

Sit down.