Overwatch Coaching - Widowmaker - PLATINUM 2660 SR - [OverAnalyzed] 

1:46 mercy.

1:47 RIP MERCY

its sad to play widow in low elos. even if u kill 6 people your team will still stand in choke point and wait for enemies to respawn and let them capture the point.

I once tried playing Widowmaker. I killed the enemy Ana (solo healer) and Torb right at the start, but then my team never broke through the enemy Rein's shield. I kept their backline dead for most of the game, but the rest of the team just couldn't get through the front line. I should've swapped to Bastion or something. In the end, I rushed in to trigger overtime (my team should've rushed in because the enemy had no heals half the time) and I managed to do it, but I died instantly after. I had gold elims, gold damage, gold objective kills (enemy Ana was standing on it), and sadly gold objective time. Got the card for gold medals, but I was still blamed for our loss. I told them to just rush in and forget about the Rein (sometimes the only one at the choke), but they wouldn't listen.

when a sniper has gold elims and damage, the problem is not Widow imo. This is kind of the thing with Overwatch. You get flamed for pretty much everything, most of the time the people flaming you are the ones that are playing poorly. Like in this case, wtf is the DPS player and Hog doing to allow a Widow to get gold elims and damage? A whole lot of nothing I would imagine. Not to mention the one guy switched off Soldier for Junkrat. They basically had no DPS for a lot of that series. The last game was a bit slow for him, I personally would've switched there, but in no way did he play poorly.

What hapens When you pick widow Jeff Kaplan : "It just says DEFEAT"

One other thing you could point out about Widowmaker's mobility: She can get to some really interesting and high-up places which can synergize quite well with Mercy. A well-positioned Widow is almost as valuable to Mercy as a Pharah can be.

I like how unlike most people, this widow decided to send in a game where they got absolutely crushed in game, since theres more to learn from games like this. I kind of wish sty would have addressed ways to do more for the team in these kind of situations, but he didn't seem to address why the game was actually lost and how this player could improve on that

I'm 90% sure that if he had voice chat on his team would've been telling him to switch. I really can't blame the turning off voice chat, but that's also the biggest improvement he could make. It's quite the conundrum

This widow had crazy good accuracy. Maybe my only complaint would be targeting as you said - keep aiming for those squishies/healers rather than the Reinhardt barriers

1:46 That awesome mercy fly!

Kephrii's wife is better Kappa

Damn, I was going to submit platinum Widow. Advice I'd give would be to always keep a venom mine behind you when you're sniping. Genjis are a pain in the ass as Widow but you can combat them by preparing for him to come after you, otherwise he'll just deflect the venom mine if you reactively throw one at him. You might already know this, but always scope in on D.Va's cockpit. It only takes about two 100% shots to get her out of mech and then shoot her as she's ejecting. A D.Va didn't come after you this game but just for future reference since D.Va is super easy to take out if you see her coming. If she uses defense matrix then grapple for the distance advantage while it runs out.

Remember everyone. One game does not tell the full story. There are times where you are in the zone, and other times where you just can't aim or do anything. We all have our good, bad and decent days. I am not talking about this widow, I just wanted to give a friendly reminder. Have a nice day, and good luck in competetive!

But rank is kinda hard cuz what I see is that people who are bronze silver and gold is not good at teamwork

The attitude of this games community rivals that of dark souls "i stay on the grind forever grand master chasing"

2:20 really good ultimate and I agree but my friends don’t play widow and say infra sight is the worst ult because the ult doesn’t get you kills even though you basically are wall hacking for 10 seconds

The only thing I noticed is that the widow struggles with strafing enemies, which is everyone over 3500 SR

Some widows feel more consistent when on the ground easier head shots

"Widow isn't as disruptive" *cough* *cough* triple kill...

TBH it's pretty hard to climb the SR ladder when your doing very good on a team but your team is the worst.

I'm excited for when u coach a hanzo main who never swaps and never joins voice chat

this guy is pretty fucking good at widow for a platinum player XD

This widow was good but the team needed to perform better

Stylosa is the overwatch Gordon Ramsay.

This one is honestly on the whole team. No one communicated, why would you do that? especially as Widow, you usually have a view of most of the map and can call out shots. Also she had a Winston on her team she could have used against the Genji main on the other team. As a Tank main I tell Widows and healers on my team that if they get jumped on by a Genji or a Winston to let me know so I can help them when I'm Winston or D.Va.

I think we all saw the suicidal Mercy at the beggining...

That’s a good Widowmaker damn

Did you know junkrat says "da*****" in a voice line after his trap has been destroyed?

I was recently playing on competitive with a guy that only used his emote the whole time and spamed i need healing. We were playing 5v6

I've seen Widdowmakers who are low platinum's that play SO much better than many diamond players. Its fairly annoying WHEN I JUST WANT TO PLAY LUCIO.

i almost climed from silver to diamond as widow but once i cme close to diamond my teams started throwing when i went widow

I don’t enjoy playing widow on KOTH maps for this reason...feel like a soldier or tracer is a better pick in these moments

Im waiting for winston coaching

this video is a perfect example of why even if you're doing good you still need to switch to help the tea,. this guy isnt GM because at some point you gotta realize the team needs help other than kills

"But weve lost the point" = the whole video

He’s got great aim

Nice analysis

Can we have a moment for mercy at 1:49

ok first hi I am a widow main and this is the thing how I look at widow is this. if I get picks but my team isn't doing anything and than we lose than switch because people like to see more people on the point. by your 3 round you should have switched to like Winston that's what I do and im almost diamond

Honestly it's better for a Widow in Platinum not to be in voice coms. All the bitching and blaming just distracts you from your aim. Believe me.

The team should be winning the fight in this. It's more of the teams fault than the widow's.

"Platinum widowmaker" *Grabs popcorn*

This is a classic platinum game. ! player is doing more than enough to be effective and helping the team. But the rest of the players are ass and can't get a single kill. feels bad

I am a plat who gave a widow game..I got so exited and then..welp

Don't want to sound offense, but if he got gold damage AS A WIDOW with heroes in team who usually have highest dps, that means his team was sh..t

Holy shit thanks for the super fast review. You nailed the exact reason I'm not in any form of team chat, coms were doing more bad that good on that account since I'm only playing Widow this season on it. Also I know Ruins is one of the best Widow maps, it's honestly one of my weakest though, I definitely prefer the other two for widow on Ilios.

There was nothing wrong with the widow. The other dps on his/her team was doing jackshit.

I normally compliment the widow when she gets a pick (even if they are doing bad) and encourage the team to collapse on that. It helps boost the morale of everyone and we end up capping the point

I love overanalysed plz do more

Every Low SR video is good accuracy but no communication/positioning

i like what he does in the spawn room. practising on the dolls is a good time killer and aim practise while waiting

You almost never see this, a team losing where its pretty much only widow playing well.

He can't really speak to the team because soon as he joins the group chat, the team is just going to be tilted and shit on him the entire time just by the fact hes playing Widow. I can't blame him.

Let's be honest here, that team just sucked, I would have a widow like this anytime in my team.

There are a lot of widows who I would call very good stuck in gold or plat or even lower. There are silver widows in duel servers who can outsnipe me even though I would consider myself at least a grandmaster level countersniper, as I've put a serious amount of work into learning the maps and how to peek on them. I don't see widows ever outsnipe me in comp unless they have the support of their team and I do not. Yet, there are these silver widows that stick to the custom games because they get flamed in games. I put thought into it and could pin it down to a few reasons. - Inability to switch. Check their hours, they play some widow but then also mostly... rein, or mercy, or something. Something that doesn't take advantage of their superior aim but lack of game sense. Aim alone can often carry you into plat where your game sense will be somewhat tested, and diamond where your game sense is absolutely tested. Some players can play widow in all situations. Sometimes you can just test your counter to see if they are actually effective, and if they're not, they're wasting time throwing themselves against a superior player when they could be trying to simply make you ineffective and play the objective. I see lots of genjis and winstons suicide themselves into me when simply playing the objective might make the rest of my possibly poor team crumple and require me to clutch, a situation I never want to be in. When they're bad, even if I have three people on me that means my team is fighting a 5v3 and I'm fighting a 1v3, which I may even be able to win or at least delay until I can bring them to my team for a further 6v3 after the previous fight is won. - No team comms. Sometimes you need to mute your team because they're not listening and don't care and are only being toxic. Otherwise, Widow requires both recon and can do recon herself. She is a great shotcaller because of her backline, high ground positioning and can see movement others wouldn't be able to. She can keep an eye on every player and flanks and coordinate things... if your team will listen. Calling out targets and picks and letting your team know when you've killed supports and it's time to push. If your team doesn't trust you, however, it's no use even trying to bother with it, as they won't do anything you say. I recall a gold/silver game I smurfed in to see what gold was like our mercy commented "why haven't I ever seen their dps? I only see rein ever defending the point". That was because I was killing them over and over. I wasn't using voice comms because I was just playing shooting gallery and not really doing teamplay. Seriously no one notices shit widows do because of how her friendly design is- her tracer rounds are a thin white line no one can see, her shots barely make any noise, bodies limply fall to the ground, and the killfeed goes away too fast. If you're not calling them out, only the most astute will notice. A friend I queue with always calls out my good picks, and on places like King's Row I can get a support pick in seconds which lets my team push, but only if they know to. - Lack of higher ranked game knowledge. Dodging, capabilities of other players, when their counters actually become effective and not luck-based. I never worried about winston until they started to do things right, and now they are complete pains in the ass. Dodging techniques designed to throw off flicking and make tracking impossible at range. You don't learn these until easily high diamond at minimum. I've seen genjis kill me before I could even think of escaping. Meanwhile, in plat, genjis take their sweet time and allow you to smg them down. These other dodging techniques also require you to change how you aim, which will automatically make your play feel worse. Which comes into, what you stated a few times but didn't get into as much as you should have, my most important point... - EFFECTIVE PICKS, NOT TRASH PICKS. KOTH is a huge offender of this and so is 2cp. If your whole team is dead, there is no use in even trying to get kills, as any damage you inflict without a death is feeding. One of my best games as widow was an anubis match where I completely floored the other team while I was attacking, but never at a time when it would have been useful and let my team cap the point. I got a legendary card for that, but it was still a defeat, despite how much work I had put in. If you aren't ready to pick every single hero a second time as they run back out of spawn, you're not really doing much. Every kill made without progress or a point cap is a trash pick, as it's basically useless. There are a few times when you want to look for as many picks as possible- Right before a team fight. Whether you or they are initiating, this requires game sense to know when you need to be looking for the correct shots. A kill on Ana just before they initiate a team fight might delay them 30 or 40 seconds while they regroup, and if you keep staggering them they will be required to fall back further and regroup together while attempting to counter you. In comp, time is everything, and delaying a team fight might let your team build up more ult charge and run down the clock. During a team fight you should be looking for high priority targets like supports and anything that would hinder you in cleanup, such as your counters, enemies clearly intending to ult, etc. Much like McCree, Widow's ult is fairly useless during a team fight save the somba or mercy you really want to find. In a team fight you know where everyone is, so infrasight is meaningless except to line up shots from cover. Popping that ult right before the fight or right after will let you know exactly what their plan is or to stagger any stragglers. Use it to outsnipe another widow you don't feel confident dry peeking, as you should never underestimate your opponent- they might get lucky, but they won't get lucky if you are on an even field and know you're better. It's great if you can hit every headshot you go for, but if you are only hitting them after your team has already lost the fight, you're not being effective. In a dream scenario you stagger the other team so heavily that it's a complete roll and the match is over as quickly as possible. High elims and damage, especially damage, are bad for widow as it means you were struggling to secure a win condition. Gold elims and zero other medals is also a dream result. Making these effective picks is the hallmark of a good widow, along with one other important element; psychological warfare. If you've ever fought a good widow you know how terrifying it can be when someone dies from peeking just a little bit, or tanks get shredded when they try to do anything. Using that fear to your advantage will let you push things you probably couldn't in any other situation, but that psychological effect is in serious jeopardy when you are being countersniped or are losing to your counters. If you know a widow is bad, you're not afraid to make plays and watch them whiff all day. If they're good, even tac visor can be risky. Deadeye is even more suicidal than it already is. On the other side, being able to countersnipe these terrifying widows has let me take teams to victory where they would have otherwise just accepted the loss. Making them fight duels and distracting them also wastes time, but only if you are able to win those duels, as losing them only wastes yours. Bringing mortality to those aimbot gods is a massive morale boost to your team, and nothing is more discouraging than seeing your star widow player get domed, followed by more teammates. Judging your opponent's skill and adapting to it is what makes a really good widow, as everyone reacts differently to you and in more or less effective ways. Some widows prefer a more direct approach. Others like to flank. Some stick with their team. Some do a mix. Some are very predictable and some are not. Some are better at sniping than they are at dueling. Some are the opposite. I unfortunately consider myself better at couintersniping than actually sniping in general, and struggle with what are seemingly simple things at times, yet can dry peek and win duels against what SR would say is a far superior player. Checking profiles helps here too, since you can see if they could be considered a well informed widow or just a player trying her out- I can't help but see a challenge when someone picks her, and it's always a bit discouraging when they turned out to be a support main just trying to learn and I shut them down so hard someone else has to take over. While a win, it feels a bit mean in qp. In comp there is no honor and no remorse, only w or l. Sorry this explanation is a bit long but I've thought about it for a long time and wondered why these widows with such good aim and sniping sense could get stuck so low when I even widowed in some of my placement matches and would easily place in diamond every season, only held back by life circumstances and injuries. I worry about those widows on duel servers as I have no idea what to expect from them, but I don't worry about them in real matches at all since they have no idea what to do or how to fight me in any way other than 1v1 out on the open. I will flank them or outplay them over and over until they give up. Perhaps it's a bit of an obsession but I find the entire counterplay game of widow v widow to be insanely interesting and indepth at master+. Learning how to play at that level has been a serious ride and I would hope to maybe someday coalesce it all together into a short guide I will never let anyone read.

*YOU FORGOT THE POTG!!!*

when your in masters but this widow has better aim than you :/

I love the fact that he sent a game he lost and 3 of his death's was when trying to get overtime

1:45 - 1:53 lmao that mercy

"infra sight is one of the best ultimates in the game"- Stylosa 2k17

Why can't all the Widowmaker's I get matched with be like this? It's not even like s/he's got good aim but bad game-sense (like the Hanzo/McCree/Soldier). This Widow swaps positions, has a get-out planned, is able to deal with flankers, and even gets on the objective when overtime is triggered. This poor player is like the Mercy OverAnalysed - stuck in ELO hell. If the team took advantage of Widow's picks and initiated then s/he would be much higher.

People say i should stop boosting other players. Ana is no longer my Main.

Im a widow player in masters. My tip is try to track more than flicking, it might get you more efficient kills than your doing now especially in low elo plays. Overall great job playing as widowmaker.

As a 3.3k Widow Main, I'm impressed, definetly not a platinum level accuracy, well done man. Really well done.

i haf teh sikn i am widow main now god no

see this is why i hate the game sometimes. this guy is really good imo, but stil is only 2600 rated. wtf? im a good pharah but i keep going from 3200-2800. I even dropped down to 2300 then bk up again. what is this shit?

I'm a master widow and this guy gets better picks than me... I might be boosted.

I'm ready for all the people who are going to say he/she/helicopter is shit without even watching the video

Team comms was the reason why they lost. With that, she could've said " zen down" or " genji down." Otherwise, just some minor accuracy problems, and she could actually do really good. The team blames it on widow when in reality, it could have actually been the teams fault. That was like the bronze game plays, and how they are not bronze level players, rather low plat players, this widow is like a diamond level player.

Level 40 playing one of the hardest heroes and destroying in platinum... Hmmmmm SMURF

This Widowmaker's accuracy is on a low Master's level, wtf, Stylosa says "it's okay!" And other that "you should've swapped from Widow," there was no usable advice here whatsoever.

Does anyone else think the widow is a smurf. Like he is only about lv 30 or 40 and i don't know any widow that good at that lv.

Not even 7 min into this video but I have to stop and shed salty tears for our hero. That was fantastic Widow play, honestly. I'm not an expert or anything but she was popping off like crazy the entire time. She only died once and that was with Genji diving her constantly!! What on earth was your team doing?? I'm so sorry that is the worst feeling in the world for any hero: to know you're doing your job but you still lose. I just wanted to come in late to the party and say I am jealous of this Widow gameplay right now. Great work so far. Can't wait to see the rest of the video.

The problem with these "coaching videos" is the fact that people are sending in their best games. How many games did the widow play to get this ? 20 - 30 ???. Saying things like you have have really good aim is meaningless when you know they have cherry picked their best game. Lets see all 10 placement matches then you will know. The biggest problem players have is consistency.

I'm not a master player or a pro but I think I've played the game enough to summarise few main points to win and climb. 1. Mechanics 2. Teamwork voice/no voice 3. Map Knowledge 4. Predictions (gained from experience and knowledge) 5. Confidence (for team and self) 6. Focusing objectives ( points, heroes, allies) Aim to win in all aspects basically. 7. Don't tilt and learn from mistakes 8. Play different heroes and roles so that you have a bigger pool and you can understand and predict how your enemies will act since you've played enough of the heroes they picked. Many things still come into play that I have not mentioned. But from my understanding this is sufficient enough to be improved and able you climb to masters at least. Also I aim this mainly for solo queuers. Teaming/stacking can also work but once you reach that level and go solo, you can fall fast. Please add more things that you know that us players can improve on and like this comment so that people can see it. Have a good day beautiful reader.

Stylosa; "we'll check POTG as well" *Ends Video* Me: WELL..... DID WIDOW GET IT?!?!?!

7:50 Wait, widowmaker now has emote where she says I need healing? Lol.

I think Blizzard should not show your SR, to be honest. People focus more on that number, which they take personally, than they focus on enjoying the game.

why did the team not push when the widow got pics

let me guess good aim bad positioning

Hey sty I almost got to diamond but I went on a 20-30 loss streak so I went all the way down to 2100 I wish I can record so you can tell me why I did go on a loss streak but the thing about gold and silvers is that have to play support most of the games and get no sr for winning

When there's 69 comments but u really want to write a comment

I'm not early but let me think of a joke anyways My Rank

"58% scoped accuracy" I mean, you kept shooting the tanks. I'm surprised your accuracy wasn't higher. You really struggled to get the other targets as the game went on, which really lowered your value in the team. But you didn't do bad! Just target prioritisation and tunnel vision seem to be the big issues here (combat tunnel vision by scoping out more often. It helps more than you think). But overall, not bad!

This widow and I play very similarly. This player is better than me tho.

I think the target priority is the problem, Sty. This Widow seems to focus the tanks instead of the heroes they can 1 shot kill. Change target priority to kill the heroes that take 1 good head shot to kill, then turn and help focus the tanks. Shooting at Rein to try and drop his shield wasn't working and Zen and Genji were working them over. Got some good head shots when concentrating on small targets, but kept bullet sponging the tanks.

I'm, a really bad Widow, I'm actually a better Hanzo. But of course I've practiced him more. Still, I can't aim at all with widow, but with Hanzo I'm pretty good.

"If you don't have the aim you shouldn't play Widowmaker" I disagree with this statement. As a Widow player myself. Wich had crappy aim in the beginning I can only say: The only way to learn to aim. Is to play her and practice. And the pace between Quick Play and Competative is so different, That the only way you can learn to play Widow in competative. Is to actually play her in competative. Even if you won't be an asset for the team before you've practiced enough to have the aim you need.

Right. after watching the gameplay a few times. I can say that his aim on widow is great, but that's it. the reason they got steamrolled hard is simply because he's not getting the right kills at the right time. Most of the time the team fight is 5 v 6 and only after his team dies, he gets his picks. There's no point in getting picks after the fight now is there. You want your picks before the fight so you have the advantage going in. But this widow doesnt get the picks fast enough for the advantage. Most of the time the picks come when his team is 3 v 6, aka when the team should back off. TLDR. good aim, bad timing for kills.

As an actual widow main some of the things stymies was saying we're not actually true for example you only need about half charge to kill a soldier with a headshot and the top of the lighthouse isn't the only spot on the left bulging you can actually grapple right on the top of it which is much better for getting surprise shots because not a lot of people use it I could go on but I won't

He/she did fantastic for his/her level, I think the mentality of harassing the sniper should be stopped, I myself am guilty but I still give the snipers a chance. So if you want good team communication with everyone, don't harass the sniper.

Merry Christmas everyone!

terms gold and plat players dont know: Group up Attack now i killed half the team

that Widow was on fucking point, well played

1:46 every mercy in plat ever...

widow destroying a genji? loooooooooooooooool

2:42 trying to start the engine

Im a WidowMain, 52 hours, I'd say he'd more effective with a lower accuracy, 40%, and landing only headshots, then trying to kill with bodyshots. Atleast thats what I found. Also if he prioritsed the healers and then the genji, and would disengage when his team is gone, he'd be alive more while the enemies teams healers are not. Further more, very decent gameplay!

Thx I'm a widow main and I've been waiting for this video forever