Labour certainly didn’t work for the working class under Jeremy Corbyn, it was a party for middle class post graduates on a professional wages who spent their time whining about Palestine and not giving a flying fork about people struggling to make rent or pay for food.
The ruling 1% are already in charge, have been for the longest time. How much is UK's Labor party truly represents the people/working class or serve the wealthy ruling elites and "Labor" is just window dressing name is the question. How many in this UK's Labor party consist of Socialists, Progressives, Unions, Greens and activists? How many are there just there to serve the super rich and corporate interests.
Labour should have Starmer step down and bring back Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister. As leader, Corbyn got 12,887,918 votes in 2017, and 10,269,051, in 2019. Starmer only got 9,686,329 in 2024. In the 2024 election, in his constituency, Starmer got 18,884 votes. In 2019, he had 36,641. He had half as many votes this time. Turnout in his constituency was 56,000 in 2019. It was only 38,000 this election. Corbyn beat the Labour candidate in his constituency this election, as an independent, and had 24, 120 votes, over 5000 more than Starmer.
The main reason Labour won in a landslide is that the right wing vote was split between the Tories and Reform and that in Scotland the SNP collapsed. With all that Labour didn’t need to increase its vote.
No, you forget that Prime Minister Boris Johnson gutted the party. When did that you had only one scandal after another. So we seen collapse of the both the Tories and the SNP. That is a more accurate assessment.
The other factor was Tactical Voting, where Labor supporters voted for other parties, primarily the LIb Dems, if they had better chances than Labor to unseat/defeat the Tory candidate. In turn, many Lib Dem and smaller party voters switched to Labor in close run seats to again unseat the Tories. All that said, Labor are the most supportive of election reform and proportional representation. The Tories are likely come on side with proportionality soon, unless they think they can win the Parliament with 34% of the vote themselves.
@paulpeterson4216 Labour say they're in favour of proportional representation, but I guarantee that now they're in power, there will be deafening silence on the issue of electoral reform or indeed on the scrapping/wholesale changes to the House of Lords.
"She was outlived by lettuce" -- That reminds me of Rita Rudner's line where she says that a Hollywood marriage is considered a success if it outlives milk. 😆
Yep. I think it's further evidence of how much economics affects politics. All these countries signed up to the same broad neoliberal goals, and they're now all facing the results of those stupid policies. Massive inequality, major discontent. Lots of reactionary backlash as people look for what's to blame.
@@anthonytwohill9726 because only the king is allowed to do that. Well, the Queen and the Queen Mother too, but they left us because they were so young.
It's odd that I only ever hear a system is undemocratic from the media when the Republicans win the electoral college without the popular vote or that every state gets 2 senators, but never that a party can increase its vote share from the last election by just 2% but double its seats in the parliament, while the 3rd placed party gets fewer seats than the 4th placed one.
The Brits had a referendum on this issue in 2011 and voted to keep the existing system. Most of the Reform people, who were Tories at that time, were against changing the system.
@@Hoots_Maguire if i recall correctly, Labour was campaigning against voting reform in 2011 because it would give UKIP (Reform's previous form) more seats.
Because there simply isn't a case when either the Labour Party or The Conservative Party in the UK got more votes than the other in an election but ended up with more seats, period. In the case of the electoral college, the Democrats got more votes than the Republican but the Republican gets to be President. I mean it is wrong that you could win without getting a majority (both Labour and The Tories won governments on pluralities), but it's just absurd when you can govern but your main opponent gets more votes than you do
These were the vote totals for the new PM Starmer in his local constituency: Votes received by Keir Starmer in Holborn & St Pancras: 2015: 29,062 2017: 41,343 2019: 36,641 2024: 18,884
Well done ,I think these figures speaks a thousand words ! Our new Labour Prime Minister has managed to halve his vote in less than 6 years ? In his own Constituency ? From 41,343 in 2017 down to 18,884 in 2024 ? This is how unpopular he has become ? Proportional Representation is on the agenda for the Greens and Independent Party.s . Labour will head for the hills. They would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to change electoral reform ? Same applies for the American Administration ! A country with your size of population are given the choice between President Biden and Donald Trump ? That is no choice at all. This is why the turn out is so low in the USA and UK.. People want change real change ! No more AIPAC and Friends of Israel lobbying and buying their way into Power through our electoral systems ? Never Ever Stay Silent ?
Labour should have Starmer step down and bring back Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister. As leader, Corbyn got 12,887,918 votes in 2017, and 10,269,051, in 2019. Starmer only got 9,686,329 in 2024. In the 2024 election, in his constituency, Starmer got 18,884 votes. In 2019, he had 36,641. He had half as many votes this time. Turnout in his constituency was 56,000 in 2019. It was only 38,000 this election. Corbyn beat the Labour candidate in his constituency this election, as an independent, and had 24, 120 votes, over 5000 more than Starmer.
@@stevelang6990 The Zionists and their pals in the media would immediately start screaming that Labour was antisemitic again, because that was the only thing that ever gained traction when attacking Corbyn. If he'd laughed it off like he did everything else Labour might have done a bit better in 2019, although their main problem in that election was Starmer's sabotaging of their Brexit policy.
It is now. When Jeremy Corbyn was leader it was actually a pro-working class left-wing party (for the first time in my lifetime). Starmer and his fellow Blairite vermin deliberately undermined Corbyn for years until he was forced to resign and then Starmer lied to the party membership in order to get elected.
@N11RVL89 : No, he is obsessed and addicted to bashing Israel. 😒 His bias and one-sidedness only polarises and does nothing to bring the sides together. 🤯
According to the Duran, Tony Blair‘s NGO is supposed to have had a significant hand in selecting who would get what job in the incoming Labour government.
the uk reform party is partially underlooked at...where i live in essex , rayleigh[its a firm conservative area] the reform party almost split the conservative vote Mark Francois Votes 17,756 {CON} Grant Randall Votes 12,135 [Reform] James Hedges Votes 11,823 {Labour] just a little more effort by reform, and rayleigh could have turned to reform, such was the shift of tory voters to its ranks? :(
Those who talk about the Left in the UK followwing the general election might be in denial that the country (i.e., the bulk of the electorate) has acttually moved slightly to the right. As a party, Labour moved from centre-left to centre and, in terms of its foreign and security policies, is actually centre-right. Four of the six independents who won did so on a largely sectarian -- Muslim -- vote. It can be said that they are rather socially conservative. (A fifth independent, Corbyn. is of course a true left-winger but he won largely because islington North had become synonymous with him for over four decades) The Lib Dems mainly benefited from Reform UK siphining votes from the Tories in the blue wall. And, in Scotland, the SNP suffered grievious losses mainly because of its transgender rights policies. Apart from the Greens (its four seats), there is really hardly much to talk about the UK left.
Depends what you mean by left and right. On economic issues it seems the UK public is still fairly left wing, but on social issues, you’re probably right. Though I’d challenge your argument that the independents who won did so on sectarian/muslim issues. They won because of Gaza, so yes a single issue, but not because of identity politics or socially conservative views.
I was thinking the same thing. Presenting jones just as a political pundit and not what he actually is, a communist activist, is dishonest. If they don’t want to push back against him, the at least have a real English conservative on with him
This is a political commentary show for Krystal Ball and her friends Right wing is generally not allowed, they haven't even had Marshall Kosloff on the subject of Israel war. They pander to thier prejudices. It reminds me of the scene from Yes Minister. Sir Humphrey: The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices. Jim Hacker : Don't tell me about the Press. I know *exactly* who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they *ought* to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually *do* run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; The Financial Times is read by people who *own* the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by *another* country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. Sir Humphrey : Oh, and Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun? Bernard Woolley : Sun readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big tits.
Labour gained little in terms of vote percentage from the last election apart from in Scotland. In fact they got fewer actual votes. It was the Tories who lost the election & most of those ex tory votes went to Reform
Just to make the point, the Tory government became so hated that it went from just under 14m votes in 2019 to just under 7m in 2024. This is, I believe a record loss for the UK (where usually in recent times about 30m vote in total).
I'm afraid the royal family got themselves the half way house, centrist, they were looking for but it was paramount for them to hide the evidence of their own misdeeds. We are currently living under a policed state at the moment, where two firms have been brought in to block certain peoples exit out of country. I live in a little village in west Devon, called Drewsteignton, in the last six weeks we have had visits from both Richi Sunak and Kier Starmer (very strange when you were in the middle of an election?). We are continually beset and over run with University students, who are flying drones day and night (in star formation) and have had massive influx of cars very often sporting licence plates with either the letters K, J and Z in them. There are so many of these letters on the licence plates, as it has been so often as not to be noticeable. If you could get satellite footage of Drewsteignton (near Exeter), then you would see that this not the ramblings of a madman or troll. My dog and I need passage out of Britain and a chance of a new life in America. Can anyone help us, I'm being sincere? Sorry for my poor writing but after four years of this psychological abuse I'm more than a little stressed.
2 things will happen immediately in Britain after Labour party govt: 1) They will substantially increase the public spending. This will give relief in the short run but will increase debt that UK will never be able to pay 2) Security situation will seriously deteriorate in Britain. Labour party cannot do much against illegal immigrants. They cant deport them and risk loosing their base. After anti-Israel rallies in Britain, hardcore Islamists have made a come back and also "moderate" have taken very strict position. Situation was bad in UK not just for Jews but also for Hindus especially after the riots against Hindu temples in Leicester and Birmingham. Labour will not be able to tackle this sitution as well.
@@csharpe5787 short term, yes. Put enough money in people hand there will be growth. But in 10years, debt owed by Brits per person will double than current state.
I love when dissident left wingers are brought in to describe what is going on in the left and dissident right wingers are brought in to describe what is going on in the right.
The British rejected Australian style preferential voting in 2011 that would have prevented this sort of unfairness. If I remember correctly, Conservatives campaigned against it. Australian governments generally receive more than 50% of the two party preferred vote. Very occasionally a government wins with 48 or 49%.
Plus the Senate is proportional. And Tasmania and the ACT use Hare-Clark and other state upper houses use other variations of proportional/preferential voting. Australia is a real smorgasbord of more democratic electoral systems.
The Alternative Vote system is not proportional and can even occasionally be even less democratic than First Past The Post. We need something like Single Transferable Vote or MMP like New Zealand uses.
Both countries have a common denominator which explains their political dysfunction. First past the post elections. Both countries need PR. Proportional representation.
The Labour and Conservative parties are the two biggest establishment parties in the UK. What this election has shown most clearly is that voters are deserting them both as never before. At least there are alternative parties in the UK; it's not a two-party stitch-up like in the USA.
Under the Blair/Brown government. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 1960s. Introduction of the national minimum wage. Increased police numbers by 14,000 Cut overall crime by 32%. Record levels of literacy and numeracy not reached since. Doubled funding for every pupil in England. Wrote off 100% of debt owed by poorest countries. Increased NHS staff by 85,000 more nurses and 32,000 more doctors. Devolved power to Scottish Parliament and Welsh assembly. Introduced statutary paternity leave of two weeks. Record number of students in higher education. In Labour's last year of government, gave 828 million pounds of gift aid to charities (this exceeds the total amount given by the Conservatives in their entire period in office) Raised child benefit by 26%. Delivered 2,200 'Sure Start' children's centers. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Pensioner's winter fuel payments of £200 or £300. The only European government on course to achieve Kyoto targets (at that time). 26,000 new teachers . All full time workers given the right to 24 days payed holiday. A million pensioners and 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty. Introduced child tax credits. Introduced civil partnerships. Over 1 million social housing homes brought up to standard. Inpatient waiting lists down by over 500,000 since 1997 (NHS waiting lists have never dropped under Conservative administration Provided the cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution. Free TV licences for the over 75s. Banned Fox hunting, Fur farming and cosmetic testing on animals. Free on demand breast screening for women 50 - 60 Free bus travel for the over 60s. Labour's New Deal helped nearly 1.8 million people into work. Free Eye tests for the over 60s. Number of apprenticeships more than doubled. Free entry to national museums and galleries. Overseas aid budget doubled. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000. And cancer deaths by 50,000. Long term youth unemployment cut by 75%.
@@cathjj840yes. What was considered achievements were taken for granted and the Tories, backed by a strong Right Wing media, told everyone everything would get better under Tories and they couldn’t get worse. Then reality set in. Then literally everything got worse. Because te Tories and right wing media are a propaganda machine for posh boys staying in power. Who would guess that would end in disaster
@@dday881 That has been his focus of late given the magnitude of death taking place in front of everyone's eye. His appearance in front of the US congress is worth a watch. He gives them a brilliant talking to. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_dD48d-yjxc.html
@@charisma-hornum-fries He lost by 1500 votes. A result that doesn't make sense since just weeks ago he won with more votes than all other parties combined and somehow received fewer votes in the general election than in the by-election. He has filled a lawsuit regarding these irregularities.
Unfortunately the UK exported its transphobia politics to the US. Was going on here first. In 2013 the UK newsmedia hounded a trans woman to suicide for daring to come out as trans whilst being a teacher. But you can find a lot of transphobic news articles in the many years before this. The US jumped on the transphobia train when your gay marriage laws passed and the right needed something else to attack. The uk already had this anti trans hate politics going ready to adopt. Even most Brits don’t realise this and they think we adopted it from America about two years ago but all you have to do is google it and the evidence is there. The BBC has a hateful gender critical news article on their website dated back to 2007. It’s been going on for years and years.
@@raybcross1 Well the names of the Tribes of Israel are engraved on the famous Gates of Peal in heaven according to the last book of the Bible, so I'd give it more than 25 years, how about eternity. Israel was a kingdom when London was only a marsh. Israel will survive for sure. 🕎
People whining about the system are so annoying. Our electoral systems are there for a reason, so that REGIONS with less population have a way too. Otherwise, a few big cities decide everything, and high all the foolishness we know comes from silly city folk.
Im really proud of Owen, he used to be a little lefty mouth piece just shilling for what ever grotesque leader got power, in the past 20 years hes grown into a real independent thinker and a grass roots hero of the true left in the north west, im happy to agree with a lot of what he says now as it would seem hes giving it real analytical thought instead of just reading liberal talking points from cue cards.
Would have been nice to get someone a bit more balanced on rather than Owen this doesn’t actually inform any american viewer other than say labour bad and same as tories….
@@nk-gp1ml just because they are to the right of owen who is far left and not corbyn doesn’t mean they are exactly the same as the tories its just lazy analysis
If anyone is noticing the very critical tone of Jones, it’s because he is a diehard Corbynite. Nothing wrong with that, but he despises how Starmer turfed out his predecessor’s allies from the shadow cabinet and steered the party hard to the center.
Same as here in the States. Always important to remember: "Whether it's reactionary Republicans of the far-Right, or neoliberal Wall St. Dems of the near-Right, they're both going to the same destination. All that's truly being debated are optics & velocity."
This was great! Breaking Points should have British politics experts on more often. Owen Jones, or any one of the folks on Novara Media would do a fabulous job.
@@Lewismarty1 Rory Stewart, a Conservative MP who served in Theresa May's cabinet and Alistair Campbell, a neoliberal who served in Blair's cabinet... Not sure those are the folks who share Breaking Point's more populist perspective. It would be like getting Rumsfeld and Hillary Clinton in the American equivalent.
@@en1324 they certainly have a history of being part of the establishment. What I appreciate about both of them is their willingness to be critical of ‘their own side’. Much like Krystal and Sagar do.
Mm the lowest voters total to go out and vote, so wasn’t the conservatives doing nothing about immigration and people were fed up of crumbling infrastructure BUT are the opposition any better as immigration isn’t the top of their list is it?
Are you having a comedy show?? Owen Jones is not an expert on anything. 10 ‘misunderstandings’ in the first few minutes! He has a few points but they are the obvious ones.
UK Politics Expert lol Just a rich kid full of Fantasy Ideas which will never work a Champagne Communist ! Known as Little Owen the man boy. Out of touch with real people.
The Tories lost because they completely failed to address the immigration issue and Nigel Farage punished them by splitting the Tory vote in two. If the Tories had actually addressed the mass immigration problem, the party wouldn't have split and Labour would have likely lost handily again.
