Owen Shoots Jack! | Torchwood | BBC Studios 

he had a point tho. Gwen is the one who shoulda died, not Owen, Tosh or Ianto. Gwen was a cheating whore who drugged her bf. Really irked me that my least liked member of Torchwood lived.

@@GenericUsername-qp1ww Cant' say that Jack wasn't a whore either... Just a man whore.. doesnt' make him any better. He forgets about the human condition.. the frailties.. he embodies them too.. but he celebrates them without shame..

@@ursaltydog Actually he kind of is because he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Plus you could argue with him it's cultural differences being from the 51st century. That and we haven't seen him really cheat on anyone once he was in a serious relationship unlike Gwen.

sapphic with extra ice I loved gwens reaction, it was so funny

Gwen slept with Owen because she felt like she had to talk to someone about her struggles at work and they both needed an escape (especially after the fact that they hater each other previously and this made them civil). She wasn’t allowed to tell Rhys so she is isn’t a whore for wanting to protect her boyfriend from it all in the beginning when it was easier Rhys not knowing. And Jack is just extremely flirtatious and immortal so it’s a good escape from the terrifying he’s up against all the time. Owen is as he is because he lost two lovers and does it to forget his pain. So there are reasons behind all of it so I wouldn’t call any of the characters “whores” in my opinion because “whores” typically have no reason for doing what they do a lot - but Gwen, Jack and Owen (and Ianto and Tosh) have reasons. Btw this is an incredibly written scene.

Ikr 😂

He'd probably came back to life more than you wake up from a nightmare so… reasonable?

I wish he was a little more descrete about it though. Wouldn't it be cooler if he appeared in the background out of nowhere and then yelled at them?

@@ElectronicsForFun that would have been really cool😂

I'm sure from Jack's perspective it was merely 1 day atleast. Doctor just didn't drop him off at the moment they left

​@@devinbrown6650 Itd actually be longer for Jack considering he was a prisoner of the Master for a year and was one of few who wqs at the eye of the storm during the time reversal at the end of season 3 of Doctor Who. For them its months, for him its more like a year and a few months. I dunno tho.

It wasn't about Jack dying, it was about Owen pulling the trigger.

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To be fair, I think him being resurrected following Abaddon's defeat was more significant for that because they could have assumed him coming back to life was a result of the rift being opened.

Jack told Tosh in the previous episode, I think.

What I don't get, is how with Tosh having worked at torchwood for 5 years, Owen for 4 years and Ianto for about 2 years, how did none of them find out in all that time 🤷‍♀️

adamcbourke I agree

True

A bit tricky when you can't talk about work. "Honey, I'm home and nearly had my throat slashed by a weavil." There's a conversation that ain't happening.

hard tho when your personal life is directly connected to your co workers

CloudFreedomFighters right??? I was thinking why did he stay.

That would have been hilarious

Well if that happenned the show could have very easily been converted from "Torchwood" to "Where's Jack"

Billie theavenger he's like oh no no no no you shot jack I liked jack Owen what, why!?

Same, I adore Janto and I am always looking for the little things that no one notices

Good on you, Jack! She shouldn't be sleeping with Owen. Poor Rhys didn't deserve that.

Jack did have a point.

@@danielwilliamson6180 Jack would have a point if not for the fact that as a 51st Century man, he wants to screw everyone in that organization. Including Gwen.

@@Shanethefilmmaker yeah, but he's open about it

@@Shanethefilmmaker yeah, but he openly admits to that, Gwen hid sleeping with Owen and cheating on Rhys. Jack morally is a better person than Owen and Gwen.

In fact, the name Torchwood is anagram to "Doctor Who"

That is a fun fact

Nonetheless, a fact.

Omg I just realised that 😮

Torchwood was the code the used to refer to Doctor Who when they were bringing it back in 2005, fun fact ;) that's where the anagram came from

Don't watch season 4, Miracle Day, it is fucking awful

​@@nialsum6906 no lol

Gwen is no better. She often questions and challenges Jack's leadership.

Jack did basically kill his wife

@Tommy Cameron His grandson OTOH...

They were all messed up and not thinking trait

KatMEW93 I totally agree....the thing is they had no need to inject this love affair in the show, you could easily take the love affair out of the picture and not only would make no difference to the story it would made Gwen even stronger

Yeah you didn't get the character at all... She loves Rhys but she can't confide in him anymore, she has a new life which he can't be a part of. At the center of all this is Jack Harkness who she sees as a prince charming who rescued her, she fell for the fantasy life of being the love interest of a dashing hero. She can't make the first move because she's with Rhys and she loves him. Meanwhile there's Owen who is really the opposite of Rhys who Gwen realises she can talk to about everything. They make a connection and suddenly they want each other, there's nothing to stop them so they sleep with each other. And yet she doesn't love him, she loves Rhys and she loves Jack. She knows Jack doesn't love him in Sin Eaters she even confessed being jealous of Ianto because he's the one Jack cares about. In the end she realises Rhys is everything she needs and the person who loves her the most. I mean what kind of person goes through a long relationship without complications in the way? Not saying everybody cheats but everybody imagines what life would be with another person after some time. She's a complex human character.

@@CutieMoli If you think that complications is the same as cheating then not only do you not understand character you don’t understand relationships in general. it doesn’t take a take a tight arse like you to realise that what she did was wrong End of story, Rhys doesn’t deserve her for cheating on her. If you truly believe her cheating makes her any bigger of a character then you need to get out more and realise strength of character and companionship. Gwen cheating on Rhys is wrong and Jack put it as it is...Gwen cheating on Rhys only proves she didn’t appreciated him enough. It’s only until he died that she realised what she lost...

@@thehorrorcounselors4747 Ok man, I never said what she did was right, I said what she did made sense? Her cheating doesn't make her a bigger character, it makes her a more complex person, an imperfect human like all of us. Cheating is wrong but isn't unforgivable. I believe Gwen will have to live with that burden for her whole life, having this secret she'll never be able to share with anyone because she hurt Rhys. In real life, people die with their secrets, they don't always confide in anyone and they certainly don't get redemption arcs (which in my opinions are overrated). Cheating is wrong but shit happens and if she had the possibility of it not hurting her relationship but only her, I understand it.

Hopefully BBC only. I want this show back badly.

Mark Dorsi if it would be less scary tragic and traumatic then i would watch it cause i love jack

I want it back, but I also really want Ianto, Tosh, and Owen to be on it :( it's Torchwood, so it could still be possible!

There never gonna bring it back, they would have done that years ago :(

AD L i agree, without Ianto, Tosh and Owen it's jst not the same

F**K yeah! Too right.

I mean Jack was right though

Well I'm pretty sure Clara Oswald did something like that minus killing The Doctor when she had a hissy fit and decided to throw the tardis keys into the lava.

"Do you really think that I cared for you so little than betraying me would make any difference?"

@@credendovides20 ....7 and a half billion years.... kills me every time

Jeff Collins 4.5 but yeah

Technically we had something familiar ( but not with any companions ) in Midnight, it was really interesting

they did in a audio with the ENTIRE cast with susie www.bigfinish.com/ranges/released/torchwood

Pancakes are Awesome I watched it at 14 and I was still caught off guard by the bathroom sex scene in the second episode. Granted the rest of the show isn't so bad but I wouldn't say 13 is a great time to start watching.

It's a 15 in the UK.

I think 13+ for Torchwood is WAY too young, I first watched Torchwood at 14 and I’d say I was only just old enough, if definitely say it’s a 15 for a good reason.

@@bethan2600 I mean, I watched it at about 4 or 5 alongside Doctor Who...

Loki Laufeyson VII, wow, I’m assuming a lot of it went over your head though right?

Sacking them seems rather lenient. Mutiny is a capital offence even when nobody dies....

Who knows because apparently jack in the face of boe and the face of boe died so maybe jack may not be fully immortal forever after all. There is one way to kill Jack, its rather the face of boe that kills him or... If you use the time vortex from the heart of the tardis, you can reverse what Rose did to jack and make him become mortal. So in theory, Jack can die but its most likely that its not going to happen as the doctor can't hold in the vortex of the tardis or he will die him self and regenerate as we know from Bad Wolf episode from the 9th doctor.

Ham nice theory!

@Fell In 67 Sadly. Jack's daughter isn't semi-immortal. As we know already (by watching Torchwood episodes), Jack's lived a thousand lives (+). And he's kind of hinted to him having children in the past. Past tense. Meaning, they're dead. Also, in one episode. Jack's daughter exclaims that she doesn't like her father (Jack) around her and her son because he doesn't age. Whereas, Jack's daughter and grandson does. This literally means that Jack's daughter isn't immortal. Nor semi-immortal. However you want to look at that word. ALSO, in episode 1 of Torchwood (Season 1). Jack talks about him being pregnant once before. He then goes on to say he's "never doing that again". Also, the Face of Boe definitely has a male ringtone to it. Plus, the voice of the Face of Boe is definitely male. You can tell. So sadly, Jack's daughter isn't immortal. Because it doesn't get passed down like a gene. It only sticks with Jack. Thus because he's a fixed point in time. I do have reason to think that the Face of Boe is actually Rex Matheson. Yes. I have a theory on how the Face of Boe could be Rex Matheson. However - it's a shot in the dark and isn't as easy to point out as it seems. BUT ANYWAY. Jack's daughter isn't immortal (or semi-immortal? However you want to go about that word) and she almost definitely isn't the Face of Boe. But seriously. Hasn't anyone else thought of the fact that it could be Rex Matheson who is the Face of Boe? Like. How is it only me? I guess I'm just a true, TRUE. PURE, fan! (XDD)

@@jl-qi2sy hey I'd be interested in hearing that theory 😀 Mainly because I feel all roads lead to Jack being the Face of Boe, from his place of birth and his personal connection to The Doctor.

@@jl-qi2sy I also have a theory you may like. Let me know what you think, if you want to 😋 In the finale two-parter of S5 of Doctor Who, Dorium Maldovar 'sells' River Song a Vortex Manipulator "fresh off the wrist of a handsome time agent..." we all presumed to be Captain Jack's. When Maldovar looks inside the case containing it, he turns to his lackey and says "I said off the wrist" implying whomever they took it from had it removed forcefully. I put it to you that that Manipulator actually belonged to Captain John Hart, who physically tore it from his wrist (along with a great portion of his wrist) in the Torchwood S2 finale. This actually makes more sense given that UNIT actually acquired Jack's Manipulator following one of his deaths sometime before the events of the 50th Anniversary in 21st century London, thus he would not have a Maniplator-clad wrist to give at the Maldorvarium.

Swift Games he wouldn’t have added anything to it

Would've been really cool but might've felt too much like a deus ex machina.

Dominic Bandicoot I'd prefer to be more like Series 3 (Children Of Earth). I can't see it returning though. Miracle Day pretty much killed it. I miss the days when Torchwood and Sarah Jane existed and gave expansion to the Doctor Who universe. If only circumstances had been different then these shows would probably still be running to this very day. At least Torchwood got a bit of return with Big Finish though.

Dominic Bandicoot is love them to do a series in between 1 and 2 where the old team is still there and I'd love for characters like river to join because river and jack will be flirting non stop and I'd love to see jealous Ianto- or maybe after season 3/4 jack finds the doctor and they go back and save everyone as I cannot live with the fact they killed Ianto

Yeah they ruined the team that they had chemistry with. Jack, Owen, Tosh, Ianto, Gwen were the perfect team.

They should rebuild Torchwood hub, and recreate Torchwood with Jack, Gwen, Rex and 2 new people!

Nah, if they bring it back they need to make sure all 4 of those shitheads are gone.

It's not like it's permanent...

Owen was never exactly stable. There is some explanation somewhere of why Jack kept him on, iirc.

Vana Ri Ianto nearly abandoned Jack and left him to die after Greek’s bearing gifts and Jack let him stay on. He said that “it’s not the first time a friend has done that.”

I'm glad they did not, Owen was my favorite character (sorry i'm late tho)

@@EditedAF987 is it in the episode or what? I think i missed it.

You can love someone and still cheat on them. Life is complicated.

@@jimmy2k4o if you're cheating on anyone rn, you respect them so little that you're wasting their time. If you're cheating on someone, that means they are not someone you ultimately see yourself with. Polyamory is different, if you want to have multiple partners, make sure the person you're with is okay with that, and if not, leave.

a gay man you sound very idealistic, I hope it works out in practice aswell. I just think, people make mistakes and when they cheat it’s an expression of their weakness not cruelty.

jimmy2k4o sure. But never owning up to it shows that you don’t really care for the person

@@jimmy2k4o the idea of cheating on someone you love is flawed,how can you love someone then hurt them all the same? People do make mistakes and to do so is only human. But it takes a concious effort to sleep with/kiss/etc anyone. You saying its a mistake is just as easy as me slapping you and saying "my hand slipped my bad". As such, cheating on someone means you don't value them enough,you don't see anything in the future or (to quote a dipshit like Logan Paul) you've "made a severe lapse in judgment". Either way,your a dick (not you but anyone who cheats).

None, probs, on epsiode one he resurrects hehe

Queen Victoria believed The Doctor was evil and founded Torchwood to fight him.

Oh shit...I didn't even recognize him. I thought the 1st time I've seen him in anything was Pacific Rim.

I just binge watched Torchwood few days ago.

+Fiona Peterson-Quinn They don't actually know yet. Gwen is the only one who knows about Jack's immortality. Oh, and Suzie. But that's a whole other can of worms.

+Charles Baker no, he told them when John knocked him off the building, he said "I can't die" and they all were there

+Jane Warren That happened at the beginning of Season 2 (John pushing Jack off the building). This scene happened at the end of Season 1. So no, only Gwen knew about Jack's immortality/actually witnessed it. Everyone else has only seen Jack survive the almost impossible like Owen seeing Jack survived the Cyberwoman electrocuting him.

AgtBauer24 that’s true that is but she was more horrified than the rest of them she even screamed

Yeah and jack doesn't even know why until he meets the 10th doctor who tells him the reason why he can't die

Oooooo interesting choice! I really enjoy it too, and I think Bilis was really quite intriguing. Would have loved to see more from him in following seasons. My personal favourite from S1 has to be Combat...

MortHarlequin woooo can't wait for season 3!

Yeah the show pretty much ended after season 2. 3 & 4 were movies in my opinion.

David Nicholson well none of the team actually knew he was immortal apart from Gwen at that time