Oxford Professor DESTROYS Atheist Richard Dawkins on GOD Vs. Atheism DEBATE-John LENNOX  

But there you are being grieved by lies, instead of being comforted by truth.

@@paulsmaleThefourthdimensionexactly

@@paulsmaleThefourthdimension what a terrific response.

Incorrect. Those who love truth are always grieved by lies, just as those who love lies are always enraged by truth. Its just how it is in this realm for now. Truth does bring comfort - Comfort: a state of physical ease and freedom from pain or constraint. @@paulsmaleThefourthdimension

@@Western-Supremacist no, they are being comforted by lies. Atheism is a crutch to avoid moral accountability ( they think they are accountable just to themselves). Deep down it gives freedom to follow your own heart. This will mean doing good to your fellow man and being free to follow most impulses. What a safe feeling delusion this is! Jesus said they hide from the light for fear their deeds will be exposed. We've all done things we're afraid of that God will find out. Deep down this reality drives us to hide but a day will come when it's all brought into the light. Hide in Christ while there is still time! He has the power to forgive sins. This isn't a fairytale or story to control you. It's the final truth. Ask God right now to save you.

i wouldnt say he got destroyed either, but he clearly doesnt even understand what Christianity is yet attempts to bash it all the time. He doesnt even understand the core teachings and why God became a human in the first place, therefore not understanding the significance of how God revealed Himself to all of humanity in a way that makes total and complete sense

Dawkins was not destroyed at all. Sure, believing brings hope and keeps the morality high. The only real justice. "Thats a lot better then not believing in anything at all". Dawkins: You first have to make me believe by fact and proving this is real and not a myth

Have a little faith, lol

@@fixxa6455 Have a little faith. Nobody really knows.

@@user-ii6xm2we7l That is exactly the point made by Richard Dawkins. Just because we don't know how or why something happens doesn't mean it as done by a god.

@@davidporter4162 Still, it could be God! The universe is either a creation of purpose done by awareness or it is an accident. I find God much easier to believe than accident.

If you're so sure, then why are you here?

@@FTHBHR-qs8vr Curiosity and interest, I find these videos to be very fun to watch.

i think fairy tales are looking at the universe, how it came about, with all of this organization, extreme precision for life, the complexity and order of things small and large scale on our planet, the fact that humans are the most conscious and intelligent creatures on earth and we are very self aware and able to introspect, the fact that the human brain is the most complex object in the observable universe, humans long for justice, love, and a deeper meaning and significance in life or else we dont find it worth living, the fact that we even have the idea of there possibly being an eternal creator in the first place, etc., and just think... yeah... there is no ultimate intelligent mind outside of all of this, and our well ordered planet in which we live is all just an accident, that arose by chance! Sure. I think that's the real fairytale

@@WaWaWes_TheRedeemed well said 🫡

Yep. Judging by the comments section here, people hear whatever they want to hear.

there never is.

the evidence is based on dawkings confusion about morality

@@gabrycast5395 Dawkins thinks morality is an evolving social construction with Naturalistic origins, others think that morality is magic given to them by an invisible undetectable supernatural desert deity. Who is actually confused here 🤔.

@@TurinTuramber can I just second that.

I agree. There are lots of evidences for God’s existence.

​@@elucidativo7for example?

​@@LucaGRizzifine tuning of the universe is one scientific proof.

@@Choraldiscourse what's your proof that the universe is fine tuned? Are pain and suffering proof of the fine tuning?

@@LucaGRizzi pain and suffering is more of a moral than scientific question. The existence of God provides meaning and purpose here unlike pholosophical Materialism (just like Dawkins admits in the video). God himself knows pain and suffering and used it to redeem his enemies (us) by sending his son to take the punishment that is deserved for evil acts. May I ask how you answer pain, suffering and evil?

It blows my mind how these religious people/ Muslims and Christians, have the audacity to claim they have "destroyed" Atheists in videos. I don't recall seeing any proof for God. You can't prove God is real through debate.

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@@AlexOjideagu2 Open your eyes

@@AlexOjideagu2 It's actually science that can't explain what God created.

@@lisaac9477 Show me scientific evidence for God

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Well, I and the AI ​​can tell them apart.

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@@karlschmied6218 Top comment!

The Bible was created to control the weak minded population by preying on their superstitious mindset and fear of death. There's no excuse to believe in invisible supernatural beings.

John 8:35 "the slave does not remain in the house forever." you sure you're okay believing everything in this book?

Well if men loved darkness, then whoever creator must be at fault then, because that creator put that "LOVE OF darkness" within human

​@wiffleballer28 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. John 8:34‭-‬36 NKJV Come on as an atheist I expect you to do better than this.

@@moneyman5462 better than what? better than pointing out that Jesus uses slavery as a metaphor so readily because slavery is such a ubiquitous part of the biblical landscape? because slavery is imbedded in the bible that Jesus can use it in parable? because slavery is so commanded and, indeed, so sanctified, that using it in other contexts is easy? better than what?

All these videos say things like that. Ignore the titles. These people just steal video clips and put up sensational titles. Its getting old.

This was a cut up debate. But he was just telling why God is necessary. Here is evidence of an intelligent creator. Everything that begins to exists has a cause Universe began to exists Then it has a cause The cause is timeless spaceless immaterial Because time space and matter are properties of the universe.

Nothing cannot create anything

This is an edited video. In the full debate video he actually lays several scientific facts that prove the existence from God. Intelligent life in the universe cannot originate from "nothing". But if you are looking for hardcore undeniable evidence of God than look no further than Bible Prophecy. There is several bible prophecies written like "The statue of Gold, Silver, Bronze and legs of Iron" prophecy in the book of daniel which accurately predicts the rise of Medo-Persian, Greek and Roman empires in their correct order. I would advise you to go to the youtube search bar and type in "Kingdoms in Time". This is a prophecy documentary movie made by the SDA church that perfectly explains some of the best prophecies mentioned in the bible. No one understands bible prophecy better than Seventh Day Adventists. God bless you brother and I pray that you open your eyes to the truth of God's word.

@@ifthatthenthis3797 There is zero evidence that the universe had a beginning. Not even the so-called "Big Bang" theory claims that. As far as we know, the universe might have existed *always* with *no beginning* and *no cause*.

@@ifthatthenthis3797 why do you have to antagonize the atheists and mock their religion?

Had a conversation with my friend. I kept praying for him. He found God in his own way. Showing Christ did help, though.

@@metaouroboros6324 what about Vishnu and Allah?

Yes they tell each other what they want to hear, exactly what i try to do with my wife. It really helps.

​@@metaouroboros6324 If you want to get the most believable truth, tbf, you need to do a neutral comparison alongside existing proven scientific theory cuz today isn't a miracle era, things can get corrupted so easily overtime, crosscheck with his signs through those theories.

the usual answer Youd get from a theist would be either: God works in mysterious ways, or God is testing our faith.

This world is a centrifuge, God wants to separate those who will truly follow him to those who wont. God is very visible to those who follow him and we see his actions and miracles almost daily, however to the unbelieving he seems not visible. I conclude by this, God does not lower his standards in regards to what he wants. People who love truth , justice, righteousness and forgiveness. Many times Jesus made claims that made many of his disciples leave him. He wanted everyone to follow him but it was too hard for them as it is now for anyone, including us Christians. We have to choose him over many other things and people everyday. With the expectation to fully know him one day.

He did. He was here 2023 years ago. And, but that isn't enough, a whole different debate was started by/with those without Faith. If God does not speak through YOU, which obviously He does not, shut up!

@@rambskin Be peaceful brother. God bless you.

@@rambskin Iron age superstition.

YOU get your morals from God, and God can kill whomever he wants. @5m5tj5wg

as opposed to what?..

I wouldn't worship ANY deity.

​@@duncanbryson1167Those deserving of worship, rarely, if ever, want it.

One day every knee will bow.

@@nayb87 Quoting an ancient book of mythology doesn't prove anything.

It’s because it’s not really just for us. It’s merciful. Justice is hell. Mercy properly defined is loosening the binds of justice. Christ’s action was merciful. Though justice was still fulfilled because God, an omnipotent creature, can be the only one to satisfy the large pain of sin.

It's wrong for Christians to believe that. Because it's not what is written. Repentance is the only way to salvation. No one may atone the sin of another man. You should probably look at the Jewish idea of God. Not Christianity.

So you can stand before God and say that you are sinless, that you have never failed your conscience, that you have fully respected God? Good luck with that one. When one needs mercy, it is the mercy giver who decides on what basis it is given. Could God have chosen another way? Was there a more effective way to communicate his love to people of all civilisations, cultures? Our ways are not God's ways, our thoughts are not His. He is God. We are ants. Our current transient life on earth is a privilege and a trial. The real life is the future one, eternal. Is hell literal flames? The bible does not say so. But as a metaphor for eternal intense regret, it suffices, just as the worm that never dies. Both metaphors are used and both can't be literal.

God came to us as a human and died on the cross for our sins. That’s the ultimate love.

I do. The concept of "sin" is one of the most ridicolous in human history. It's silly to think that one should be punished for something his/her ancestors did. Or that your sons and daughters should be punished for something you did. And if this goes back to Adam and Eve being sinners because they ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (so they had no way of knowing what was good and what was evil before sinning), it's just dumb.

Tell me, your god allows 15,000 children to die every day, some are raped to death and your god drowned billions of innocent animals in the days of Noah. unless you believe in another god, that appears to be completely useless! and is guilty of sin, as I see it!

@@LucaGRizzi Our wrongdoing has consequences

@@mrshankerbillletmein491 I agree that my wrongdoings have consequences for me. I don't agree that my wrongdoings should have consequences for my children and grandchildren. Do you believe that your ancestor's wrongdoings should have consequences for you?

@@LucaGRizzi Unfortunatly our wrongdoing can and does affect future generations that is just how it is

Science is a method for describing and predicting what we observe. It’s not a religion as you seem to be intimating.

@@eswing2153 However, many people do act as though science is a religion.

Science can't explain what God created; in fact, it rather proves everything must come from a supernatural source; ie GOD

@@lisaac9477 If you redefine the word religion then yes science is religion. Also a cucumber becomes religion.... a cat poo....a pepper pot...

@@TurinTuramberAbsolutely wrong

Would not say that, I would say it left all with some food for thought on both sides.....

haha mhmm, if someone posts a video with a similar title you can almost guarantee the opposite is true, as if the viewer cannot make up their own mind, they have to be told.

First of all you are watching an edited video not the full debate. John Lennox has never lost a debate with Dawkins. But if you are looking for "destroyed" content then look for the clip where Lennox used Dawkin's own wife to wreck his "Blind Faith" argument.

Dawkins dont have an answer to the moral argument.

@@torrinmedia3998 That's interesting. How does Dawkins' wife destroy Dawkins' blind faith argument?

​ Hi! I believe in God. The main 2 reason: 1. Personal experience: I felt God, He loves me, saved me, He helps me living my life. It is proving for me but of course if you do not believe my word it doesnt count for you as an evidence. But there are millions in the world like me. 2. Logical arguments suggest me that the world with God have more sense than the world without God. I do not have evidence for the existence of God, but logically there must be a Mind and Force who did this universe. If you see a book, you know there is an author. There is no book without author. But inside the book there is no author. I see DNA as a book therefore this sign of intelligence indicates the existence of a writer, some kind of God (the Force and Mind). If the world would be all and anly chaos than it wouldnt point out Gods existence as Someone who brings Order. As if i see a forest with the trees that are all planted in order, I suppose someone planted it purposefully because that is the way of things. But a tree is already a complex order. A tree is not just atoms, it is a living plant because of the order it has. It is a created universe because it is functioning by laws. You cannot find the author in the book the author is way more then the book. But the world points out to God as a book. If there is enything existing, there must be an uncoused first cause (God) creating order, or the things existing must be all chaotic. If there is no God than there is no obejtice good and evil. You cannot say that Hitler was wrong. Natural selection is the force atheists believe. But the natural selection was what Hitler did: death for the weak ones. Because if you are able to eliminate an entire race and religion (like jews) they were weak. Rape is not bad in a Godless worldview because nature already uses it, than why not people? Death is permamaent, so everything is useless. I say Hitler , Stalin and Mao were evil. I say rape is bad. God created us and God lives in us like Holy Spirit. God died for every person, so our value are eternal high. I cannot harm a person so value that God Himself suffered for him. I must love everybody. Without God I couldnt base these sentences because why is my morality as a person would be any better and more relevant than Hitler's morality. There are miracles in the world, that cannot be science. If you want to know more than look up to Father Pio or Faustina Kowalska. Miracles are all around the world and these miracles could also be evidence for God. If you want to know the TRUTH then search these, you will find strange things. If you want to strengthen your belief you can also do it but i prefer seeking the truth. I wouldnt be able to fully and happily function in a Godless World. I believe that Hell is the place that lacks God. I want morality, i want to be a good person, i want eternal life. Most importantly i seek God's eternal love (I believe to be heaven). God bless you!

@@csakegyismeretlen I think I understand what you mean. You represent typical Christianity. But maybe you should learn to tolerate other ways of thinking.

@@karlschmied6218 Hi! I am glad if you understand my points. I did not mean to hurt your feelings I am sorry if i did so. We cannot be all right because we believe opposite things. Outside of us there is the Real objective world with God or without. If we change towards truth it worths it, whatever is the truth. What do mean: maybe you should learn to tolerate other ways of thinking and typical Christianity? i think i am tolerable. Christianity is all about love. Love for people and love for God. If a person lives his life in love what stops him become a christian? All it asks is love for everybody and love for God. God bless you!

@@csakegyismeretlen "If a person lives his life in love, what prevents him from becoming a Christian?" Why become a Christian? Christians believe in very strange things, such as that the sacrifice of a historical figure who most likely never intended to be what they later made him out to be "saved" them, whatever they mean by that. I think Christians follow a confused ideology developed over time by so-called theologians, which in some aspects has little to do with love and is more like hocus pocus (the word hocus pocus even comes from the magic spell "hoc est corpus meus ..." with which the priests believe in the Eucharist to actually transform the bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Jesus). It is based on archaic sacrificial cults whose purpose was to appease gods. In fact, it is always about believing that you can somehow influence the fate to which you otherwise would feel nolens volens subject. This can calm fear.

Maybe they will never be defeated. I agree that 'destroyed' is a stupid term. Nobody gets destroyed on RU-vid.

The only way religion can win anything is if time grinds to a halt the starts winding back to ignorance and celestial governance. Thankfully science, comon sense and evidence governs reality so religion will have to stay where it belongs in dizzier day dreams.

​@@Seratan144 Agreed. I'm Christian but sometimes, I can't with these youtube edits. They clip a part of a good Christian argument and put the "OOOOOHHHH" sound effect right after it like it makes it more effective or as though the opponent was left speechless after it. Kinda cringey and does not help spread the message.

I immediately think Click Bait when I see it.

@@josephpark2093 What good Christian argument?

@Jimbocharles242 Because he didn’t intervene? God came down as a human being and cured people of horrific diseases. If he cures ur sister then he would have to cure everyone else and by doing that there would be no doubt of gods existence , but god dosent want us to know for definite that he exists as mentioned in the bible “ blessed are those who have not seen but believed” he would rather we believed than knew for sure as this revealed the true desires of our hearts and would determine our fate after we die . Also unlike corrupt humanity god is non discriminant, he loves everyone as equal wether we are his foot soldier or not, the reward is in the after life not in this corrupt world

He let His Son Jesus Christ suffer horribly on the cross but the story does not end there. The joy of Easter far surpasses the suffering of Good Friday.

Not a caring god of love then. Cruel, evil and uncaring is nearer the truth..Why let anyone suffer if you can stop it. @@jdegiov

​@@jimbocharles2428 I know it hurts. And to blame God, especially in the face of adversity seems to be the only thing we can think of doing in the light of our sufferings and losses... But every adversity has a cause....... I quote a Bible scripture, "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose". - Romans 8:28.... Now why does a "loving" God allow suffering in this world?...... This world is temporary and all things are passing away speedily..... But He promises newness, no death, no sorrow , in the world to come..... Let me show it to you........And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, " Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 'He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death ' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

@@shaunbernard5433 I don't blame god. there is no god to blame. If you had a daughter whose partner demanded that she love him or he would hurt, burn, scold, torture her for the rest of her life I'm guessing you would not like that. Religion in a nutshell.

He seems to think that God should use his power to enslave us to his will so we will be perfectly obedient... yet who would want such a God? Moreover, why would God want such creatures that were incapable of working their own wills? The Bible says God made us in his image... having our own wills is part of how we were created in his image. He could not make that claim but then also not give us a will of our own.

@@cassiecaradoc2070 so exactly when does your god intervene with the whole free will thing? Because you can’t have it both ways. He chooses not to intervene when a 4 year old girl is getting r@p3d (honouring the r@p1sts free will) but intervenes when ppl pray to him for a new job? Wtf? Your god is a d1ckhe@d.

Morality is a human construct.

@@cassiecaradoc2070According to the bible your imaginary friend has already predetermined our actions.

@@FECtetra1918 Calvinism... predetermination... is a fairly minority view among Christians. It's difficult to conceive for us, philosophically, but we have Free Will *and* God knows our actions "ahead of time" because he's specifically outside of time. Time was created along with the Universe (even Stephen Hawking believed as much), so what we do is still our choice, but God has the advantage of seeing all of that time as if it's the present, and being able to adapt to our choices to turn them toward his plan. That's not the same as making our choices for us.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness, but is long-suffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance"

@@JesusIsLord105 go and tell that to the grieving parents of their child who was either raped to death or born with cancer, god is long-suffering, it knows who is going to hell and who is going to heaven. so why bring them into existence for a few years on earth to be punished for eternity in hellfiers? This god of the bible is an invisible mass slaughter!!

@@JesusIsLord105 blah blah blah no one gives a $hit 🤡

How so? Dawkins does not win this one as he doesn’t with many of his debates against Christians

@@Karma-qg6tc Dawkins wins by default. Lennox is a good man who is basing his entire argument on emotion. “I find myself in a world which is a broken world. A world where there is massive injustice.” That isn’t an argument. I have sympathy for Lennox. He wants it to be true so badly but he also seems to realize that there is no evidence.

@@Karma-qg6tcHe 100% won. You need to quit being delusional. But you won’t. Because you’re brainwashed. And it’s incredibly sad

@@Navyfrog22 Like you, i have sympathy for him, but you cannot based your argument on the FACT that there is injustice in the world, largerly created by human action, so i should be allowed with my fantasy for afterdeath "ultimate justice". How juvinile this argument is! The truth is there is no ultimate justice, and we should make peace with it and embrace a ethical conduct in our action which can lessen the suffering of ourselves and other beings, rather than believing in fairy tales.

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth no one will see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me." For God so loved the world that He give His only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the World through Him. For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, and All who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. " If you want to be sure of Heaven and avoid the other place below say the following prayer sincerely from your heart." Lord Jesus I repent and am sorry for my sins forgive me. I forgive all who have offended me.I believe you died and Rose again .Come into my heart and save me. I accept you as my Lord and Saviour. Fill me with your Holy Spirit and baptise me with your Holy Spirit. Fulfill your plan and purpose in my life. "I recommend you read John's Gospel especially chapter 3.Gbu.John 3v3v22,John 14v6.

If you can be satisfied with current justice with all its failures, why can’t you simply be satisfied with no justice? If you don’t believe in a higher form of justice, why seek justice at all? Why seek any justice if you can be satisfied with flawed justice. Why not simply be satisfied in the absence of justice. In other words, why go to A if you don’t want to go from A to B? Why not just stop period, and be satisfied?

@@jessejohnson9647 Because, at least some justice, human society justice here and now is better, than no justice at all. Only siths deal in absolutes and seek for some form of absolute, the ultimate justice, which is no better than just a myth, a fairy tale for the weak and unsatisfied.

@@MyneOhMy Your reasoning is flawed to begin with because there is no higher justice than ultimate justice. Check out the definition of “ultimate”: ultimate [ uhl-tuh-mit ] adjective last; furthest or farthest; ending a process or series: the ultimate point in a journey; the ultimate style in hats. maximum; decisive; conclusive: the ultimate authority; the ultimate weapon. noun the final point; final result. a fundamental fact or principle. To entertain the concept of a higher than ultimate level of justice is a failure to understand the concept. Whether someone would be satisfied with ultimate justice generally depends on whether that person is ultimately guilty. It’s safe to say that offenders are often more satisfied when they don’t receive justice. Are they stronger because they are satisfied with less than ultimate justice? Crime victims are generally unsatisfied when their offender doesn’t receive justice. Would the victim be more satisfied under a system where the offender received ultimate justice? I think most would. Does that make the victim weaker for preferring ultimate justice? Would the victim be stronger for being satisfied with injustice? Do you really believe you’re a stronger person for being satisfied that people are being victimized and never finding justice? What an absurd outlook LOL! Because any decent person should experience some level of disappointment at injustice. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” If it can happen to anyone else, it can happen to you. And, when it DOES happen to you, I warrant you’ll develop a heartfelt appreciation for ultimate justice.

What is man that he should question Gods way

@@jessejohnson9647 Not at all. According to Occam's razor no need to search for explanation higher than constructed with smallest possible set of elements. Justice within our world is visible and reachable, no need to search for external extraterrestrial super mega ultimate justice to be satisfied. Offenders put to jail, cursed by society, feel unhappy. There is a court system, memory of human beings, self reflection of human beings that is enough to reach justice. If everyone were doing their part to reach the justice in this world, to help the needing, to provide a hand when needed, the world would be a better place. No need for some hypothetical higher power ultimately intervening.

This makes no sense. You are the one making the claim that some supernatural being exists, so you need to give proof, not suppositions.

@@karatearmchairhistorian9825 I was making a comment about Prof. Dawkins’s expectations of what an acceptable god of the universe might be like. From his comments, Dr Dawkins, though atheist, still has some underlying preconceptions about what any creator divinity must or ought to be like. In other words, he has an internalized model of the divine. When the one spoken of in this instance, the Christian one, does not meet his criteria he cannot even grasp that his preconceptions might not provide an accurate theory of what he wishes to refute. Mine is not an attempt to prove the existence of the divine, which in the end, by design per the Christian god, is a matter of faith through the heart first, not the head, while still allowing purely cerebral investigation. Instead, these comments address a curious aspect of Prof. Dawkins’s pre-existing parameters of any possible governing divine element in the universe, in other words, his theory of a deity.

@@uptoncriddington6939 Dawkins has no suppositions about any divine being or beings. He doesn't care. He is merely giving his opponent an out, a chance to participate in the discussion that would otherwise would not even need to take place.

@@karatearmchairhistorian9825 How ironic that you godlike claim to know what Prof. Dawkins is doing as though you were a mind reader rather than like me analysing what he actually does and then making logical inferences.

@@karatearmchairhistorian9825 He supposes that any God capable of creating the Universe would have no interest in the goings on of lowly man. He literally said so in that clip. He also rejects without proof the existence of any God... as he famously said, "That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". I submit that if that's the case, I can easily dismiss his claim without evidence as well, seeing as it is utterly without merit. After all, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and that's especially true when the evidence is not absent but merely deemed subjectively insufficient to overcome his closely held faith in a Godless existence.

it's simple, the trinity is christianity's failed attempt to rectify its polytheistic roots

God is three things: Loving, Merciful, and Just. I know Christianity and Islam agree on, at the very least, the last two and I'm pretty sure they agree on the first as well. When God created us in his own image, he created us to love, just as he loves. We cannot love without a will... it is not love to obey if we have no option to disobey, and we don't really have the option to disobey if we are not capable of exercising that option. God is also Merciful. When we disobey, God grants us forgiveness. He knows we cannot be perfectly in line with his will if we still have our own free will, or else we could not choose to disobey. Because we cannot be perfect, and because he loves us, he must be the one to bridge the gap. He must be the one to forgive us. We can't forgive ourselves, because it is not ourselves we transgressed, but rather against God that we transgressed. Thus, only he can forgive us. But God is also Just. God cannot simply forgive, or there is no penalty for sin. If there is no penalty for sin, there is no point to sin. Obedience becomes meaningless, and his will is no longer sovereign, it is simply ignorable. So for God to be Loving, Merciful, and Just simultaneously, he must: 1. Allow Sin, because not allowing Sin would be forcing us to love him, which is not love at all. 2. Forgive Sin, because allowing imperfect creatures the option to Sin, then demanding perfect Justice would be to sentence all of his creation to death. 3. Demand Justice, because if there is no penalty for Sin, there is no penalty for acting against his will, meaning he is no longer sovereign. How does he unite these things? By sending his son, Jesus, an aspect of himself made flesh. Jesus came to us to understand us as one of us, and show us his love and personal interest in us. Jesus forgave our sins to show us his Mercy, because it was against him that we had transgressed, so only he could give that forgiveness. He must be the bridge, because we cannot be. Lastly, Jesus died for us, because the price of Sin must still be paid or Justice cannot be satisfied, and because again, he must be the bridge, because we cannot be. But importantly, he also rose from the dead, because God cannot die. He suffered death, both spiritual and physical, but death, like life, is also his creation and cannot hold him. His death was not for his benefit, but for ours. It showed us that our sins had a cost, but that he was willing to pay it. It showed us that there are still terms to his forgiveness... very loose terms, but still terms: we must accept his forgiveness as he offered it to us, no more, no less, no option B. And it showed us the depth of his love, that he was willing to become like us, live like us, and die like us in order to bridge the gap so we can be with him. It showed us that he is, truly, a Loving, Merciful, and Just God.

If we have free will, why would He then punish us? If His will be done, instead of ours, what is left of free will? He loves us unconditionally, so there is nothing we could do that would anger Him. He cannot be damaged or hurt, so why would he seek retribution? If He were to be angry (which He chooses not to be), He would have simply denied us acces to heaven. Why would He feel the need to burn us for eternity over our mistakes? Don't fear! He forgives ALL!

​​​@@ThomasHienschfree will does not mean freedom from consequences. You may not like your neighbour, but the only thing that prevents you from murdering him is the consequence of using your free will. 2) you are thinking "unconditional love" equates to "unconditional forgiveness". It does not. Forgiveness is conditional. if you repent in your heart and come to Jesus you will be forgiven

A judge who refuses to punish is a bad judge. Jesus took that punishment, satisfying God’s justice whilst simultaneously giving us mercy.

@@ThomasHienschI don't know why you think that love and anger are mutually exclusive. Loving someone means wanting what's best for them, and that's not always what they want to do. Parents get angry at their kids all the time for their kids' disobedience, but it's often because their kids' disobedience put them in a potentially bad situation they shouldn't have been in.

Did you catch the nausea inducing arguments throughout this clip? "it's not the kind of God that is compatible with A scientific universe" also he thinks that if God really make the whole universe then he wouldn't give two damns about humans on a planet"yes Richard that's correct very good thinking, if we assume that a mystical unseen creator force really existed it would undeniably have the consciousness and rationale of a modern human from planet earth. I mean his intelligence in this clip demonstrates how narcissistic teenagers argue when they want to prove that they are in control and not you. It's a battle, altho in this instant a battle of profound ignorance and stupidity on Dawkins part. Does he not hear himself? Obviously I do see him as a very intelligent scientist, but he has ghosts in his head messing with him BIG TIME

There is no answer besides God

Doubt is the least desirable virtue in Faith 🤔

@@damianedwards8827 In the times to come, they would accept LOVE from an intelligently designed machine 😭

Ok so like majority of the people on the planet you don't "know" that a god or gods exist. The question that matters however is "do you believe that a god or gods exist?". I'm an agnostic atheist, I don't know that a god or gods exist but I don't believe that they do, because no theist has come remotely close to providing sufficient evidence to justify a belief in their particular god. Knowledge is a subset of belief.

Ur comment too huh!

@@Food.97359 I guess

Your comment seems to indicate that you know where and what justice and morality come from. Since you did not bother to mention Dr. Lennox by name it seems that you would prefer to claim Dawkins' claims valid while condescending to avoid or acknowledge that Dr. Lennox was speaking truth to Dawkins' dodging.

Genesis 3:1-24 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. 2 Timothy 3:1-4 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Look like the morality and justice only come from atheists!

Worship whatever gods you like, including the god of scientific materialism if you choose. However Christians do not worship some human constructed god. These are called idols in the bible and are roundly condemned as being futile and idiotic. Christians, including John Lennox worship God, the Creator of all, including of you and me. A minute's silence for those who stand in the room with the elephant and choose not to see it.

As an atheist, does he believe that his species is a result of continuous evolution without God intervention? Does he believe that he has a soul/spirit?

I loved hearing them both. All polite and classy. Good manners.

Search RU-vid for "has science buried god debate".

exactly this.

I wouldn't quite equate those ignoramuses with god ;) They haven't figured it out yet.

Some people spend their entire lives trying to learn to write English correctly.

Yeah: some people should get their own language right before coming up with grand (if vacuous) pronouncements. @@dopeydonaldtrump3744

@dopeydonaldtrump3744 Its impossible that my comment hurt your feelings, your not even real. Just a clump of random cells stuck together that will eventually just change the nitrogen content of the soil you are buried in.

It's not so much that we want to "leave the creator out of his creation". It's simply that we have no idea who/what that creator is. If the question is: "why does anything exist?", the correct answer is: "we don't know". We know about the BB, but we don't know what caused it, what was going on before it, etc. And what religionists do, is simply make something up. I presume this is because they're not happy with "we don't know" as the answer. And saying "in the bible god is given us the instructions...". That's most likely wrong. The probability that a collection of books, written 2k-2.7k years ago, by mostly unknown authors, are actually the word of god is close to zero. There are many books discussing gods and monsters, and as far as we know they're just myth. It's fascinating how say, christians, will think the bible is special, but all other religious books "nonsense". They're all nonsense; it's obvious.

In what way is there a deity in charge? That's all the god squad says when they have no logical answer. God is in charge. God did it. Thing is which god? Christian one? Muslim one? Hindu one? Well ones in their case. By your logic I might as well say the religious don't like to think that God had nothing to do with it so they say god is in charge of eveloution. Then again I thought the religious didn't believe eveloution but creationism. So in what way was god in charge of eveloution ?

@@hongotedesco8931 well actually no one knows about the big bang, its just a theory at which point all laws of physics as we know it breaks down to nothing, it is assumed on faith that the big bang is a supernatural event that kickstarted the universe as we know it, never will be a scientific fact. Fortunately the Bible has been proven by external resources, such as the shroud of Tourin the only thing in existence of it's kind (disclaimer: a couple articles roaming on the internet claiming its a hoax, however Radiocarbon dating is not very accurate compared to Argon dating so not credible to believe its a hoax unless concrete evidence such as replication, and it cannot be replicated with modern science). The Tel Dan Stele about King David, The dead sea scrolls which contain a majority of the book of Isaiah. If this doesn't convince you then lets go to the cellular level, all mitochondria in the human body is derived from the mother only, so just go back far enough and you will get a nice easy answer to Eve. If this isn't proof enough, I would urge you just to ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you, call out to Yahweh The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Much love in all your endeavours and life, like my friend always said to me, if you're breathing, get baptized ! Book of John (:

@@77WATERSTONE Call out to Jesus, Yahweh The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. seek Him earnestly and He will show you (:

Why is god always referred to as ‘he’? Considering the scale of the universe god allegedly created, god is more likely to be an ‘it’ And in the scale of said universe, we’re specks on earth, which is a speck in our solar system. That in itself is a speck in our galaxy. There are an estimated 200 billion other galaxies out there. Do you seriously believe the god that created all of that has time to watch you 24x7, along with a few other billion believers on earth, and who knows how many other potential believers that may or may not exist in those other galaxies we know nothing about? Just how narcissistic does one have to be? 😮

Congress has just instituted a "Theist Hotline". They call it "Nobody Answers Except The Deluded".

Thousands of deaths, men, women, children, caused by an earthquake in Marokko and a flood in Libië, the desperate survivors called the God hotline, nobody answered.

60,000 dead after 1755 Lisbon earthquake on All Saints Day Saturday the 1st of November. Hundreds of bedridden patients in hospitals perish in fires started by fallen candles, as do many others. All Saints Day is a commemoration of confirming all the good work done by and in the name of God. 60,000 souls preyed for salvation.....Nobody answered...and nor will you soldtobediers.

@@rickallen9167 Who can say upon their resurrections who was spiritually saved & who wasn’t ?

@@soldtobediers look up the definition of salvation...and then show me anything in relation to spiritually saved.

There is nothing loving about Pslam 137.9. As the saying goes "there is no greater hate than Christian love".

Right, or god might send someone to burn in an unquenchable fire forever and ever.

@@downenout8705 Christian love is mercy and grace but people seem to ignore the rest of God like his justice holiness and hatred of evil. Jesus comes back to judge evil and defeat it in order to bring good in Revelation. If you love good you will hate evil. That's a mutually exclusive thing. Sadly many cowardly churchs only preach the sugar coated stuff and I agree with atheists that a God that is ONLY love does not exist. But a God of Holiness, Love, and Justice does. Better to be on the mercy side of inifinity rather than the wrathful side. Both are the extreme. See Exodus 20:5-6

@@jaredberry1213 Yep the Christian god is definitely at its best when speaking from both sides of its mouth. I'm sure that every mass murderer is capable of saying something nice, that fact however does nothing to lessen the depravity of their crimes, so I say again there is nothing loving about Pslam 137.9, nor is it just or moral.

@JostefDKC The imaginary god of the bible hates humans! .

Note to self . Included other religions in debate. 😅😅😅😅

yh even as a Christian I thought it wasn't too crazy on either side tbh. though I would say I was surprised to hear that Dawkins was open to a purely mathematical creator but who can only be that. I don't follow the guy so idk how long he's held this view.

As an agnostic i think they are both silly. God could exist, in fact we could argue there's several clues that there is a god. But there is no hard evidence/proof, there simply isn't. The atheïst is silly in it's own way, by straight up rejecting the idea of an intelligent creator, while our science has no answers for our existence. (If you do think science does have the answers, please do elaborate so we can all see how you're gonna make yourself look silly).

@@Boris82 What would be also silly would be to demand a physical / concrete evidence of an almighty creator (as Bible describes the God) who would be also restricted by his own creation (time, space, matter), therefore not really being 'almighty'. As for me, it all comes down to probability: How improbable it would be that the Big Bang was just the right size without designer, in order that universe doesn't collapse or expand uncontrollably (and therefore preventing forming of galaxies and solar systems -> making existence of life impossible)... if that made any sense

@@markusketonen2412 Yes i understand. Btw 'almighty' is something we can interpret in more than 1 way. - We could say ALL mighty, meaning he can do anything he wants. - Or we could say that ALL things that CAN be done, he is able to do it. Reason im saying this is because God is indeed limited according by the bible. Not limited by time or space, but by his own nature. God cannot change the natural laws, as they flow from him. That's literally in the bible.

Just say your not intelligent enough to understand what he said lol. If you want me to explain I can for you. Lmk. 🤣

@@johnh2326 Oh the ol' not smart enough to understand someone's irrational concept stance huh? Absolutely weak. I understand what he said, it's just not terribly insightful. Oh and it's YOU'RE not intelligent enough "lol", you ironic dunce. Now run along so you can pray to oily Josh like a good little sheep.

@@johnh2326 go on then clever clogs, let's hear it.....................

​@@johnh2326indoctrinated sheep.

@@paulymcThe earliest human civilizations were founded on belief in God, or gods. If evolution is true why did we evolve to believe in a higher power(s)? It seems if it is true(evolution) then that is a form of evidence for a higher power(s). Secondly, which answers that question, is that you cannot form a society from scratch with the viewpoint that all morals are just opinion. The best you could do is try and argue cause and effect for moral standards, but it still gives no foundation without an assumption of truth at the root. What is the root? The root is that life has value and meaning, and if it doesnt no actions matter in the slightest. The root is not you give meaning and value, the root is you have meaning and value to even be able to give it. There would only be cause and effect if it wasnt true: How can you make an argument with no foundation? You cant. So when you get down to it, you cant say this is moral this is not, and you happen to already live in a society with a foundation of truth. You just deviate away from that foundation while also borrowing from it. Any of your opinions about morality are founded on what society has learned through thousands of years, and you base your opinion off that amount of information, yet you fail to realize that your own opinion has no foundation of truth to begin with, which defeats your own argument.

God is going to bring it to its end.

​@@Judgeabove501no such thing exists

There is as much justice in the world as we bring into it.

@@Judgeabove501 If I see the current situation in the world I don't think that we need god to bring it to the end. We are perfectly capable of doing that ourselves.

@@Random_user_8472 but we won't bring. Cause we human are warmongering idiots.

It’s an awfully convenient indictment when you quietly rephrase “giving his own son to save people who were actively spitting in his face” to “human sacrifice,” which smacks of some primitive tribe of cannibals snatching a wayward tourist and serving him up roasted to their deity. You don’t have to believe the resurrection happened, or even agree with God’s motivation to respect the theistic argument. It’s not some major defeat for you to at least understand what we are trying to say

Whenever a judge judges a suspect, the suspect either needs to pay a fine or serve jail time to satisfy the justice that the law wants. In God's case, the wages of sin is death. And God's justice demands us to pay the price. That's the reason why animal offerings in Old Testament is important since it substitutes our lives to the price of sin we need to pay to God. However, it's not complete since we still sin, so we need to sacrifice everytime we do so. So in order to complete God's justice, someone needs to pay the price of sin, which is us since everyone is guilty of sin. This is where Jesus is important since He has no sin, so He is the perfect sacrifice that will satisfy God's justice. This is what separates Jesus' sacrifice compared to the animal sacrifices that Jews in OT do.

​@@jeffersonrubia9606Jesus was also crucified during Passover

LOL

What does that mean

The saying is "Three rights makes a left." Stand up and try it, it is true.

Aka One Right thing can make 100 wrong things Right🤩

That includes semites of both faiths

🤔🙄 Your elementary understanding of the whole thing astounds me.... really that's what you think this is all about.

Glad I could astound you.

Do snakes talk to you?

@@MrTmac1945 You certainly have sir. If you've stopped short of believing what you said about that being the general foundation of Christianity. What's even more shocking is the CONFIDENCE you have to make such a statement. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Bravo.

Lennox saying us or we is probably referring to people with like faith in Jesus, there are a good number of us.

@@muxion thanks for the way you've put your comment, it goes to proving my point. Just like you (impersonal)would not know if God exists, but you (impersonal)believe it anyway... You do not know what Lennox means, but you believe you do.

Dawkins doesn't believe in a God or Gods existing

god would first need to exist, before your question were answerable.

@@roscius6204 OK, so scientifically prove it doesn't exist. Your science can't prove this, can it? or at least prove how this universe came to exist? Or how life was formed? Do you already have any scientific answers to any of these questions? No. Only your faith is nothing. And you still call it logic.😂😂😂😂

@@Comentflix Did you look up top 3 stupid questions uneducated Christians ask? Lets re frame them. Prove Unicorns don't exist. Explain what god made the universe out of. Explain why god needed a mans rib to make a women.

@@Comentflixthe thing is with religion is that it can’t be proved or disproved, unlike science

No, it’s to simply give how obsequious Dawkins is to narratives!

@@lawrencesmith1985 How is Dawkins being obsequious? He is refuting the narrative of Christianity which seems to be quite the opposite.

@@user-ug2hk3go6i ok, I’m going to speak from a unbiased view. First a lot of people really don’t know what Christianity actually is, not even most Christian’s, because I’ll admit, a majority of people really use the Bible as a trophy! They can recite scripture but have absolutely no idea of the context of scripture. Christianity is the belief in having a Christ like character. Love, forgiving, and slow to anger and so far, it’s the only standard for morality which atheism simply does not have. Atheism has no belief in a god, a devil, morality, or anything of that nature because atheism, at least from my informed point of view, is one who believe in his own vain reasoning without any form of evidence. The problem that Dawkins has is that he doesn’t believe in GOD because his science cannot demonstrate six day creation. In fact, no science can demonstrate six day creation because six day creation was supernatural, not natural. He believes that because his science cannot demonstrate it, than it is the Bible that is broken. Seems very factious to me.

​@@lawrencesmith1985The Bible condones slavery, mass genocide, killing of children and rape. Virgin births, resurrections, miracles, Dec born Messiah's and even the ten commandments were all stolen from Greek and Egyptian myths before the bible was even written.

Yes you are correct. All channels on RU-vid have a bias and few will admit to it.

Lennox is completely deluded. He's just another christian apologist singing the same song. It falls flat.

no, he's merely another CONDESCENDING bible thumper who wholeheartedly believes that his opinions are the ultimate truths.

@@hongotedesco8931 I totally disagree. He is a very wise and intelligent man who makes so much sense about our Creator. Unbelievers sadly don't see this as they have barriers to God's truth.

What about terminal cancer in children? Did He notice it?

Not strictly true. When God decided he was going to murder all those Egyptian kids he had to have his supporters paint a mark on their doors so that God wouldn't murder their kids too. God was evidently too stupid to notice which ones were Israelite and which ones were Egyptian.

The wages of sin is death.

AMEN.

So answer me this: what sin did a toddler with cancer commit?

​@zeven341 who said the cancer was a result of that toddlers sin?

@@jeremymead8546 well, if children are without the sin which, I presumed, came from Adam and Eve falling in sin or whatever, it would be even worse, would it?

@@zeven341 or cancer could be caused by exposure to carcinogens. And we humans have produced plenty of those and thoroughly contaminated the environment with them. So before you complain about God's action or inaction consider you own lifestyle and how much your indulgent and explotive Western consumerism has poisoned the environment. And children are far more susceptible than adults.

If religious people really followed the bible then what about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? Like everything in the bible some things are thrown out with the bath water because it doesn’t suit the current narrative.

No, just forgiveness would have far more ultimate expression of love.

It's a blood sacrifice, get up out of the Dark Age.

​@@LuciferAlmighty more than sacrifice? Like a parent taking a bullet to protect their child?

@@MrWarmchocolate how is what Jesus supposedly did a sacrifice as a god?

Lennox is delusion

You did not understand the sacrifice of Christ or the meaning of grace

You are right, but then the sticky question of all the millions of Asians, Africans, etc. For million years that god ignored😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

@@elucidativo7 elaborate?

@@tesmith47 I don’t think he did, I think the Jews were just a convenient tool God could use to bring the world to Him, the Bible in no way endorsers the idea that they were any more special than anyone else….In fact the Old Testament seems to argue that they were often worse than other people’s… to me I think God has always been after all of our hearts… it was just a question of when we were going to listen.

That's why the religious people hated Jesus and schemed about putting Him to death, which with the help of Rome, they did. Yes, Voltaire was of that spirit too.

@@shanequa555 That's just religious people fighting each other, which they do all the time. Jews vs. muslims, even protestants vs. catholics....super annoying. And frankly, it's time to get over such pettiness.

Voltaire was decapitated for his crimes against humanity

@@SStone-dm7es Jesus is dead and his wisdom was foolish. You can't find one Bible verse that says slavery is immoral & should be abolished. Do you know why? Because Jesus & authors of Bible believed slavery is moral & even suggested how to buy, sell & beat the slaves, and not to treat relatives the way slaves are treated.

@@AtamMardes Jesus is alive and his wisdom is beautiful and supreme. ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ Jesus. Rather exposes slavery and oppression as the evil examples of human behaviour against other humans that they are. Don’t waste your time talking nonsense to me, friend. I am an expert in this and will not tolerate your ignorance nor the ignorance of similar fools and blasphemers. Take great care, I would add: never offend the Holy Spirit as I believe this is one unforgivable offence against the Lord God, Great Master of Creation.

Because it can be massively beneficial to be cruel. The Ghenghis Khan and the Mongols murdered millions to great benefit of themselves

Before we bring Him to account, let's find just 1 human being who has kept ALL of His Commandments ALL of the time. That person can bring God to account. Humans only have themselves to blame for the mess this world is in!

​@@rutasa3182Aren't you doing God's job then? Or is there human justice after all?

@@rutasa3182 Ehm...No. We know we're flawed. But there are humans born EVERY DAY that have not transgressed those fairy tale commandments. They are called CHILDREN.

What do you think God has to "answer for"?

The thing is, no one can "prove God" just like no one can "disprove" God. God is FAR above our finite brains and His Ways are higher than ours. We can't "figure out" God. All of our measly "logical thinking" and arguments can't even scratch the surface of God. God has provided more than enough evidence through His creation, through science, through history and through morality. It's just that some people are too stubborn to acknowledge it as God and are willfully ignorant. Atheists just don't like to accept the truth and don't like the idea of a just and moral God that will one day hold them accountable for their actions. Instead, they like to come up with their own ways of "explaining" the big questions in life. Such as "Why do we exist"? "What is the origin of life?" "Where did the first singularity and particle of matter come from?" "Where did energy come from?" Science can't even explain what caused its own "big bang" theory to happen in the first place. Evolution may be able to explain what happens when you HAVE life, but it can't explain how life actually BEGAN in the first place. Being an Atheist DOES requires faith. There are so many big questions left unanswered by science. Science, as wonderful and powerful as it is, simply cannot and will never be able to fully explain everything. You're expecting God to reveal Himself to YOU? Not gonna happen. It doesn't work that way. You seek after HIM. That's how it works. God is not obligated to reveal Himself to anyone. But there is a promise. If you truly seek Him with a sincere, honest and pure heart, He WILL reveal Himself to you. See, true Christians aren't Christians because of blind faith or intellectual belief. True Christians are Christians because they sought after God with all of their heart. Wanting to love Him. To know Him. To serve Him. To submit everything to Him 100%. That's why we have a relationship with Him. Because He revealed Himself to us. I think the issue with most Atheists (not all but most) isn't a "lack of evidence" thing. I think the main issue is because they don't WANT God to exist. They simply don't WANT to submit to God if He is real. That would mean they would have to give up a lot of the things they are doing that is wrong. Let me ask you a question, if Christianity was true, would you be a Christian? If God were to appear to you in front of your face in a dramatic bolt of lighting and said "I'm God. I exist. Here I am." What would you do with that intellectual belief? Would you sincerely be willing to give up your sins and your way of living for God's Ways? To serve Him and love Him for the rest of your life? Or would your attitude be like "Wow. I was wrong. You really do exist God." Then just go on with your life and operate as if He doesn't exist? If your response would be the second option, then by no means is God going to reveal Himself to you. He doesn't care about someone's intellectual belief. He wants your HEART. He wants a RELATIONSHIP.

Lennox is delusional. He bases his beliefs solely on a book of myths and fairytales.

No he's not, he's in it for the money and there is no proof of a god.

Very true. God is Love. Atheists ignore what’s right in front of them

@@damianedwards8827 Perhaps what the atheists sees is the contrary evidence right in front of one.

Which god? Allah?

He actually shows a great deal of restraint in the face of the emotive rhetoric that is continually trotted out in the absence of facts.

@@shmick6079 Because this world has no place for emotion?

@@theboombody not when you’re trying to argue facts.

thanks for the feedback!

sure.❤

Who's making that assumption, in your view? Can't be Dawkins, he does not believe. Must be Lennox then, but he believes in God and his morality. So, who's left?

@@user-gt8hv7cu5l No, Dawkins clearly said that he believes morality is very important. Then he questions why God is so obsessed with sin i.e. morality. It’s fine for Richard to be obsessed with morality in judging God’s morality, but when God judges his own creation’s morality, it suddenly becomes “petty”. All I’m saying is, if morality is important to Richard, why should Richard judge God for taking an interest in morality? If that makes God petty, then Richard is equally petty and a hypocrite to boot for taking issue with anyone’s morality. Especially God’s.

@@jessejohnson9647 I don't think that's quite what Dawkins was saying. What he's really saying is that he thinks all those stories are just made up by man because they are so petty. It's just people from 2k years ago making stuff up, like the whole "Sacrifice your son to me to prove yourself". That's pretty petty. Would god really do that?

Why assume God?

The first chapter of John's Gospel says he's God

@Adam-zn9yh Glad you found about God, we all need him. Jesus lead men to Jehovah as in the Lord's Prayer, our Father in heaven, this is the one who sent him down to lead mankind back to The Father, Jehovah.-Psalm 83 vs 18

Not secular but agnostic, secularism presumes the conclusion that there is no creator.

@@MVDApologetics Incorrect, secularism presumes that there is an ideology that claims there is a creator. Big difference.

​@@-Filip-In other words Marxism? Gnostic? Cause why not since it is secular. Or perhaps you wanted that all along. Maybe Stalin is your prophet.

@@unknowninfinium4353 Teaching how to think includes (in this topic) evaluation of pros, cons and impacts of each ideology on the society which are positive and also negative to get purely rational outcome based on evidence. I do not worship any person that is selfproclaiming to be the hand of the supernatural being on the earth.

@@-Filip- Then how can you come into a rational conclusion on an aesthetic worldview, when the reason for it coukd be changed and oriven wrong in future? Is now what you believe truly objectively, universally true? Subscribing to ideology is easier in the absence of religion. That's how Marxism works. Or in your view is teaching gender studies to children alright and allowed? Or on what basis would that be objectively based on? Think and answer.

Well, firstly, we don't really know whether or not we have free will. Science is looking at this, and it all boils down to understanding consciousness, which at this point we don't understand. Secondly, we don't need a god for any of this. When you say "God chose the latter...", you're just making something up. We have zero evidence for god, much less what he thinks, what he wants, what he "chose"...

@@hongotedesco8931 1) The basis of free will is choices. U have the power of choice now. 2) I might argue it takes more faith for you to partake in the notion that there's no such thing as a creator and we are all a random event in the world to end up evolving to where we are today. That's a rather harsh way of living life with such a perspective. And judging by ur aggressive tone of accusing me of making things up aka lying, im not surprised. By all means live the life u want, take a high ground and claim others are lying if they are not aligned with u but please consider what if u are wrong and if there is a Creator that did make us because of love , what would that mean for u? Both schools of thought are unable to prove 100% the evidence of the origins of life, we have to make a judgement call. U do urs, others will do theirs. The difference is how they will each live their lives and affect future generations. What will yours be?

@@SiNNEi2 "The basis of free will is choices. U have the power of choice now.". It certainly *appears* that way, but as mentioned, there are some quarters that say we might not have free will. On the other hand, there are some quarters that say we do. But at this point, we can't conclude one way or the other. "I might argue it takes more faith for you to partake in the notion that there's no such thing as a creator and we are all a random event...". And I might argue the opposite (with a caveat). So far, everything we have observed about how the universe works since the BB is due to natural processes. Think about it, that's pretty fascinating. Just consider, we started as single-celled microscopic bacteria, and evolved into us today. That's just a fact. And because that did happen (ie, we have precedent), I tend to lean towards naturalistic explanations for understanding the universe (ie, if we don't know something *today*, like origin of life, we will likely discover a naturalistic explanation for it *tomorrow*). As to the caveat....we do know the universe had a beginning, ie, it was created. But who/how? The correct answer is "we don't know". I'll grant that we do have a creator (C). The thing is, we have no idea what C looks like, what are the attributes of C. The only thing we know about C is "C created at least one universe". It could be an infinite, dumb ether that spawns universes from time to time, a 15 yr old hacker in an encapsulating universe that wrote some code, or the god described by Muhammad in the Koran. But the reality is, whatever we conjecture is simply made up, because there is no evidence for any of these Cs. And apologies if you think I was calling you a "liar". I really wasn't, I was simply pointing out the common thing that a lot of religionists do, they just assume things: "god did this, god wants this", etc, etc. That is exactly what you did, but I wouldn't call it a "lie", just simple misguidedness.

​@@hongotedesco8931 We all have free wills to make choices. Can u not now? As I surmised, neither of us and none of us knows the origins of life, the point is u have to make a judgement call on which school of belief u partake in which then, it has a HUGE impact on the way you live. I choose God's love as a purpose of creation as I know the fruits of such a choice. You can choose the believe we are all randomly made aka purposeless creation aka survival and you would experience those fruits as well. Your call.

@@SiNNEi2 Ah, but that's the thing. I'm not choosing. If science says "we evolved from a splotch of bacteria, long extinct, that lived 4B years ago", that's what I believe. I'm not choosing to believe it, rather I believe it because I trust science. Why? Because it is the only thing that I have found that gives us objective truth, time and time again. Let's look at man-caused global warming. I believe that's happening. If tomorrow, the climatologists said "oops! we got it wrong! it's not man-made!", then that's what I'd believe. See how that works? I don't presuppose a belief, I go where the evidence takes me.

He is referring to Jesus Christ

@@Revival21 LMAO “I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.” ― Bertrand Russell

@@GrinLW-31415 I said he is talking about Jesus Christ

@@Revival21 🤣😂🤣😂 Comrephention is not your strong suit.

You say that no other religion (or philosophy) addresses the problem of pain? And you have the gall to call Dawkins "narrow". Curious.

To state that the view of an atheist is narrow is laughable. The view of an atheist is founded on a massive amount of scientific evidence by dozens of different scientific specialities like biology, physics, philosophy, chemistry, medicine, archeology, geology, etc etc. The view of a theist is based on nothing but so called revealed knowledge, which led to hundreds of completely different religions, and ultimately to a god of the gaps as a desperate last resort. And may I quote Ricky Gervais: “when you destroy all religious books and all science books and mankind has to start all over without any knowledge of both, the new religion books would be completely different, but the science books will be the same.”

But Christianity only offers made up and false answers.😂

And is that just a fabrication of man, justice?