he’s not a villain but ok, the point of watchmen is that everyone is morally grey at best, Alan Moore’s philosophy when writing the book is the exact opposite of what Rorschach’s philosophy is
@@MN-yb8un wow, such evidence. Did you know that many public speakers listen to speeches to get into character? Wow what a fun fact. Bro one of the main themes of the comic is about morals. Rorschach is supposed to be removed from reality, believing only in good and bad, and not thinking about reality. Look up alan moore talking about the themes of the comic. He was the one who wrote the story, i think he is the one to be trusted here
@@gezi5927 I just thought it is funny and fitting. No need to spout sarkasm here. The greater good is often abused. Draw you own line. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JWb_svTrcOg.html also fitting ;)
@@giuseppepapaleo3030 A. Moore is a communist hack and Watchmen was a brief stroke of genius, a fluke. He actually couldn't fathom how people would side with Rorschach and consider Ozymandyas in the wrong, he regretted not making Rorschach less likeable and human. Basically he now regrets not going full ham propaganda like current Marvel comics
@@dalentces2492 What a whinging little bitch you are. You don't like his politics (he's far from a communist but whatever) so you label him a hack lmao.
@@dalentces2492 the thing is, in the comics Rorschach is already written to be incredibly sexist and homophobic. So youre not supposed to agree with him, but people do anyway because he has a cool looking mask. It has nothing to do with propaganda.
@@notsohandyandy and how many other villains casually tell the heroes that their plan to kill millions of people was already completed less than an hour ago?
@@BBrecht yeah were the villians waste so much time and allow the heroes to defeat them. I'm not saying this is the only movie that does so, but its quite rare in the superhero genre.
This is how you are supposed to subvert expectations. Rorschach dies, the villains plan is still carried our but because of his Journal Rorschach still wins. Normally narration is stupid in film but the fact that the narration was leading up to telling us that it was all his journal entries was really well done. Watchman was ahead of its time.
Does Rorshach win? The newspaper he sends it too is a fring right wing paper equivalent to like InfoWars in our reality. So yeah the story would be out there, but would anybody believe it when Ozymandias is looked upon by the public as this great leader and philanthropist and the government and Ozymandius have been sowing distrust in Dr. Manhattan for years. So there will definitely be people that know the truth but the public as a whole will likely dismiss it and the government even if they knew the truth would seize upon the lie as a convenient oppurtunity.
@@nixilodean3899 yeah I know that, but again, all that means is that somebody got his journals, the journalists at that newspaper. That doesnt mean the public accepted it as reality. Rorschach was already viewed publicly as a nutjob so I doubt that given the publication printing it and the source providing the story that very many people are going to want believe it and as a result, most people won't.
They changed a line out of the comics but kept it faithful for the series. In the comic he asks Doctor Manhatten "In the end, did I do the right thing?" Who then responds "Nothing ever ends." Taking the wind right out of his sails.
@@Not-Batman he wants to know if in the end, killing millions to save the world was the right choice. The answer is there will be new threats and problems in the future so in the long run, he's less a hero that he sees himself and more a villain.
@@Goodpecker123 Indeed. Maybe a year, maybe a decade, maybe a century, maybe a millenium later and Adrian's accomplishments will be forgotten, the tenuous peace he forged will be shattered, and all will have ultimately come to nothing. In the end, it doesn't matter. But in the moment, I think he did the best he could.
@@billwithers7457 Yeah. Congrats, you saved the world from the current political crisis that was leading to nuclear war. You didn't magically make the nukes disappear, people are still people, you just kicked WW3 down the road a fair ways. Is that worth millions of deaths? You tell me, Adrian- can you live with it?
It was also an extremely narcissistic moment. He can finally brag to himself that he really is better than others, that he succeded in his horrific plan.
congratulations you've officially pointed out the largest issue with this movie: basically lifting alan moore's brilliant comic script and turning it into a film script, but then utterly failing to portray the comic in the way moore and gibbons chose to do so
@@chriss2122 Technically he says, "I'm not a Republic serial villain," but that was already approaching being a dated reference for readers when Moore used it in the comic (Republic Pictures' serials were produced in the 1930s to mid '50s), so I wasn't surprised to see it changed for the film released 20 years later.
The reason why Oz can be so calm about killing so many is that he’s forced himself to feel that death. That loss. He’s put himself through that grief and pain for years most likely. He’s calm because, to his mind, those people are already dead. He’s accepted that loss and moved on from it.
@@jobsmine triggered? Foo I’m agreeing with u?.. ain’t nobody bashing dc I’m juss stating facts that dc got potential but don’t put it on the big screens.. but I’ma cut u some slack u juss took it wrong
@@simpslayer69yt59 sure, if you ignore his complex personality, possible insanity, unpredictability, interest in studying the cosmos, and likening to challenges, then he is ONLY a simp.
The outcome to a BBEG that the party was so sure they'd beaten! Funny thing is that this level of competence from a villain is coming up in my campaign very soon 😎😏
the way it was done in the movie still makes more sense to me then the comic version (the squid only works if you read the pirate comic parts but those were all cut out of the film)
No, the alien squid makes far more sense - an alien threat would unite the world. In the film, Manhattan was framed as the threat. Manhattan is a product of the American government, so all other countries would just turn on America rather than uniting with it.
The movie version makes more sense if you want the world to turn on Doctor Manhattan. I still prefer the squid because it's so absurd that it's darkly funny. But to Snyder, darkness needs to pat itself on the back and humour has to go out the window.
“Do you seriously think I’d explain my master stroke to you if there was the slightest possible you could affect the outcome.” Well, they’re still alive, so if Dr.Manhattan comes this instant and kills Veidt they’ll just expose everything and throw his plan into chaos. Really interesting how he takes the time to explain everything instead of remaining ultra-pragmatic and killing Rorschach and Night Owl to tie up loose ends.
@@nearlydead7510 Yes but he probably only planned that in case Manhattan came. My guess is he was hoping Manhattan would leave Earth for forever or at least a few weeks. Besides Manhattan could have easily just turned the whole place to glass and killed Adrian Veidt, he only walked into the trap because he was confident Adrian couldn’t hurt him. And he was right because Adrian couldn’t hurt him.
The reason why he doesn't kill them is because he's an egomaniac. He only sees himself in great emperors like Rameses II and Alexander the Great. So he needs to put a spectacle. And while the wider world won't know about his triumph, he needs to know someone is aware of it, so he does a grandiose performance, to boost his ego.
I'm surprised so many didn't like this movie. It really tried to be different. I know "the movie is never as good as the book" argument might be thrown around by og fans, but as a newcomer to watchmen, this was awesome.
Its not as good as the book, because the pace the story unfolds at is spaced out just perfectly over 12 issues. But it does have probably the best visuals of any comic book movie ever.
The thing is, those that read the book first will understand why the movie is "bad", while those that watched the movie first won't (atleast, not for a while). Imagine two people answering a test. One of them scores a 90%, while the other scores a 75%. Without any context, you could say both of them did well. But when you realise that the one who scored 75%, only did so because he copied most of his answers from the one who scored 90%, it's obvious that only one of them actually did well in the test. Almost all the praise that you can give the movie, is only because it's ripped straight from the book. Meanwhile all the bad parts from the movie are the parts that were original. Even this line (which makes you say "holy shit this movie is good!"), was only good because it was ripped from the books. If this was your first experience into the Watchmen, you might enjoy it. But if you read the book you'd realise that tries to be faithful, while struggling to be faithful.
I love the Watchmen book but I still enjoy the movie as well. Too bad the book was too good and can be blamed for single-handedly destroying the industry by inspiring countless copycats who failed to realize what made it work in the first place.
My favorite line in any BBG that I use: "Do you expect me to tell you a monologue of my plan so that you had a chance to fix it? *I activated it [insert time period] ago..."
Here, Adrian veidt (Ozymendias),in order to unite all the nations of the world in a time where every country is getting ready to blast the other, planned a nuclear explosion in america, which he had made sure that it would mot be traceable to anyone, setting up Dr. Manhattan which is another character in the movie. The idea was that mankind will always find someone to aim its gun at, therfore Veidt decided that the best solution would be to make the target common between everyone, a target that they will never be able to defeat, therfore maintaining perfect peace.
@@nagysamuel2575 I know that. I was just referring to how I'd seen a couple of memes based on the panel of this scene from the original comic book and I hadn't been able to get a definite answer until now. Never watched the movie or read the comics, but I did recognize this scene from it so, I was grateful to finally understand it. Sorry for the confusion.
I have no idea why Snyder framed this moment with A) Rorschach taking Ozymandias' attention and B) with such an intentionally sinister delivery? Like. Ozymandias believes what he is doing is right, and the actual panel in the comic (if I'm remembering right,) is addressed to Dan, and Ozymandias just. States it. That's more menacing than evil sneering-- The fact that he's calm and nonchalant about it.
If you watch the meeting they have where the comedian burns the map, you can see that rorschack thinks Ozymandias is doing the hero work for pride/fame rather than just doing the right thing, so he addresses him here, showing that he'll go as far as he has to to save humanity from itself.
I think he was humoring rorschach and night-owl view of him as a villan. I think ozymanduis is a lot more dramatic than he likes to admit. At least in the movie anyway
While I don't think Ozymandias enjoys killing millions of people, I do think that he's proud of his plan. Ozymandias is quite arrogant I think, he acts like he's above it all, but I think he quite likes how people admire his intellect and he enjoys the fame and popularity. In the flashback he was very proud when he revealed his plan to the other heroes, before the Comedian ruined it and burned the map. He might tell himself that he's more mature in this scene but I think he's just as proud as back then to reveal his master plan, and this time there isn't a Comedian or anyone else who can ruin it, because he already did it. I also think he was quite disappointed at the thought that no one will ever learn about this genius plan and was quite happy to get a chance to tell someone what he did. So I think what we see in this scene is a man who is quite giddy inside with excitment, as he finally get's to talk about his flawless plan and how well he has done and some of that giddiness slips out.
The same with the 'You quit." scene, and the 'You're stuck in here with me." scene. Synder is crap. He did one good movie (300) and has being getting better at failing every since.
Me telling my cousin to not wake up my mom because the consequences would be immeasurable. Cousin: I triggered it 35 min ago. * earth shaking rumbling *
Probably because that phrase would be utterly meaningless to most people in 2009. It would have been "quaint" in 1987, but probably more commonly understood/remembered by the people reading the comic at the time. The next update could be "I am not an MCU villain..." ;)
@@biggsleezy Republic Pictures were a film studio active from the 1930s to the 60s. A serial is basically an earlier genre of film characterised by a plot that's broken up into multiple, separate short films, kinda like chapters or episodes. They were often pretty hammy, with a lot of cliffhangers. He's basically saying that he's not a cheesy 50s movie villain.
@@biggsleezy Yep, they all used to do it. Not sure why. Might have been for viewers who missed the previous showings, or just because the story hadn't set enough things up in advance to let the viewer piece it together on their own
@@DarkWolf-407 i read the comics far better ,u keep only talking abt movies what abt the spurce meterial Heck even the animated series had personality justice league unlimited, or superman the animated series ...this one is a sad sack that just cares abt a boring version of Lois lane ... Nah this shxt sucks... Next
Eh, he was ok, that wasn't the problem with him. The problem with him was his shifting accent, which seems to be different in almost every scene he is in, and none of them the same with any other scene.
@Epicthomas 2000 That line is directly from the graphic novel. I've had this complaint since the '80s, when I originally *read* it. That's just not natural speech. Ozymandius should be emphasizing the fact that it's not up to Rorschach or Night Owl to prevent him from implementing his plan. It's about permission to perform the deed. Ozy is saying "even if you *let* me, it's too late - *you're* too late."
