Checked the guys player card. He's not all bad in aircrafts. Slightly above average. But he hasn't played nearly enough to be going around trying to explain vehicles and their strength. He's only ever played 10 battles in the p47 with 8 kills, so its probably barely got any upgrades, and spends most of his time in the premium 109 E-7 which is just a bully plane at 2.3. Diagnosis: simply lacking knowledge and experience.
@@adriano1971 yeah, after playing Black Prince for a while I realased why i was bad with King Tiger. I was using this mighty tank wrong all along. Guess some diversyty is a useful thing.
It's not really all about skill.. People often forget or aren't aware of the information tab for their new vehicles and try to figure out tactics on their own. When it comes to planes, this simple no-brainer stuff tend to save about weeks of strategic mistakes
it makes sense. If someone thinks the P-47 is bad, they probably have a pretty poor understanding of energy fighting/management, a weakness that can be exploited in any matchup
I still don't understand how a La-7 flown correctly can lose a 1v1 under 3 500m. P47 is extremely underrated tho, love this plane now that I'm used to this game.
It can happen as the p47 has excelent flaps and the d22 is the lightest of em. In a dogfight it looses more energy than the 109 so it can stay behind it fairly. Its down to the pilot
@@cola-warthunder9888 yeah, the F4 gets leaning edge slats, so it’s definitely better at lower speeds. Only the F4E and F4F variants though. AiM-7E-2’s do come in handy against P-47s ;)
I haven't played in a good long while, but i do keenly remember P-47's just punishing overzealous german mains. At the same time, i remember seeing P-47 pilots try to out turn a zero, which ended well. In the end, i'm guessing he had some skill issues flying it.
wheneverr you add "skill issue" to anything you say in this game, you just display arrogance. The specific example you brought up, has nothing to do with skill, everything to do with knowledge. And ironically this is the case 90% of the time any1 says "skill issue". And you're also not helping, or adding anything, or making it so that player doesn't do the same mistakes. I refer you to the "skill issue" meme vid. "skill issue" is the new "kys", its a trendy insult people picked up cuz they know it stirs reaction. It's nothing more than arrogance flavored with attention seeking behavior. Just like all the other insult trends "skill issue" will get old, real quick. I wish more people can just at least TRY and be civil and work together in order to fully understand the game meta. Instead of one player just simply calling sumth bad cuz he has no reference, and then people say to that person "skill issue" which just makes him leave the plane altogether. p47 for instance, that thing should club, every single god damn match. But instead, people have this stigma "p47 bad" "su11 OP, we can't win", and they throw a match before they even start trying.
All P-47 models were literal game clutchers/changers before they added a 25min timer to air RB. I swear they gotta bring that back because that was the forte of American planes in general, being able to stay in the fight longer than most fighters could.
Fast, lots of fuel, lots of guns and ammo, agile that will surprise the enemy. I used to not have a clue how to use this but now 3 kills easy lmao I decided to buy British premium P-47 and it’s an absolute SL printer
I love the razorbacks at 4.0, at 3.7 it’s going to be a menace. I’m not scared to fight 190s and 109s in the P47, in fact I usually try to bait the the dogfight against German & American planes. Anything I can’t dogfight I usually just run away from until I have enough energy. It’s the flaps though that really wake it up especially in scissor fights.
you see his crucial mistake was not realizing the mistakes he made and learning from them, instead going on about how he doesn't understand how the plane is doing better, he's focussing too much on what you're doing right and not paying enough attention to what he's doing wrong.
Him not seeming to understand how the other guy was stalling so much is kinda funny.. It's an old trick of using your landing flaps, does some wonderous things on planes that have no combat flaps.
It makes me furious and glad how people terribly underestimate P-47 in this game. This plane is not just good in GRB but also at ARB but I will admit you need more patience while using it on ARB and it will reward you handsomely as long as your team still exist once you reached altitude lmao
People underestimate the p47. It's energy retention along with its high altitude performance make it extremley formidable. But most pilots just stick bombs and rockets on it
A trick I learned with the p47 is use MEC and if you plan on using nothing but energy tactics, keep your prop pitch at 100% it gives you that extra speed but makes your plane a little less maneuverable. But speed is your greatest weapon in that plane
100% PP is what it is set on auto. If you want to achieve best top speed best way is to set PP to 75%, close rads nearly completely and boost your mixture to 90%, otherwise you're just trolling yourself by switvhing to mec.
@@Gl1tchman I’ll give that a try. I always keep the engine mixture all the way up and I keep the radiator on at like 60-90% since the radiator work with the turbocharger
I always thought PP on auto matched and scaled with throttle? Fixing PP with MEC at 100 should give better acceleration and 'torque' transfer to the air for want of a better term so better climb at the expense of heat, and drag if you dive and throttle down. Max level speed should be where the engine RPMS achieve max torque, which is usually not max RPM.
Bro's acting like he doesn't know the infamy of the Pratt and Whitney R2800. 2000hp and he wants to act surprised it can beat anything in the vertical 💀
Wow, that’s some awesome flying. I saw your montage, and I love that you play older planes. Like the mig15, an old top tier. Love it and keep it going!
wait a sec, i was in a game with this exact guy literally a day ago💀(i remember bcs he kept talking abt how no one could kill him then tried to follow me in for landing since i was missed half my left wing and got shot down by base AA)
I mean, dude's right that the P47 is useless, he just doesn't have the skill to back it up. Like, literally all of those planes he used are infinitely better.
It "can be" provided your enemies are bad, no matter how good you are, you can't just add more horespower to your plane, nor can you magically make it turn more than the airframe can. P-47D-25 at 4.3 for example is a pretty sad one, it has the same power as the D-22 while being a bit heavier, it has however a bit less drag so it can go faster in straight line. I still wouldn't say it's worth the 0.6 BR increase over D-22 P-47s aren't that good nowadays, 25min timer, ticker bleed and how fast the teams collaps put a lot more preassure onto you and force you to take less time with your engagements. Which sadly P-47s do need. Unless you are in a squad i wouldn't say they are really good, decent - sure, but meta nowadays is simply not suited for them.
@@Gl1tchman D-25s also have better prop blades which give it like +20 kph top speed over the board, imo D-22 should have stayed 4.0 or 4.3 and D-25 has to stay 4.3 they're just not meta
I play the P-47 regularly when I want to spice up my games as it plays differently then other planes because of its massive engine and those 8 .50 cals
Basically, every plane has it's own skills and you need to use them accordingly to beat your opponents. P47 was a great plane of the WW2, one of the most successful. There is a reason for that.
@@bonaz11 but it does? It does when the game is semi-simulating real life dude. As the video and many other gameplays show, P47 has it's own strengths, and when you fly it accordingly, it's a killer. Every pilot has his own style, if this plane isn't for you, then it's not your or plane's fault, just pick one that is more suitable for you. I can't fly the P47 well either so I don't use it much.
P-47 + tracer belt = EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE (US tracer belt at that br and up is all incindiary) Also P-47 is a nightmare against ground with its full load-out being extremely powerful
Love the p47, favorite warbird. I'm not a WT pro or anything but after all the games I've played throughout all the variants I seem to dunk on people with it. It's not at all a bad plane just takes patience
I have used both of the P-47s in China, they feel rather heavy at times but overall are amazing aircraft. They also love to ground pound like a strike aircraft!
Most P-47 I face don’t even try any fancy stuff like energy traps, or god forbid a stall fight, no they just... run... And run... And run... And turn around for a head-on... And miss... And run... and repeat this cycle until I’m either dead of boredom, dead of .50 cals, or the match ends
The P-47 is a fine plane, however, players assume a lot of it because of its high tier; especially if you play the Americans mostly, the P-47 is a radically different experience than the other fighters because first of all, it's not at all a good turn fighter, it's more suited for high speed maneuvers and boom & zoom tactics and the average player is simply not going to account for that. The P-47 is magnificently armed and disposes of good options for drop loads that make it *the* CAS fighter of its rank
The issue comes down to most people thinking you win a fight by simply out turning and manuvering against the opponent. Not understandong anything about energy or the impoetance of altitude or speed.
I had a similar situation, it wasn't to prove any plane right, just told him my highest BR is 8.7 and he wanted some 1v1 fun. Told him I'm not very good with planes, I only have that 8.7 because it's squadron A4E, but anyways. He wanted to prank me by bringing a Mig-21, and to my surprise I beat him on first round. Then again, then again, then he brought a Mig-23 and I managed to beat that too. Turns out while I might not be the best pilot, he did not know that with the use of flaps the A4E can turn well, and fell into the same traps 5 rounds after too, still picking turnfights. I felt a little bad because I stated I'm unexperienced while he had all the hightier planes and yet I beat him in every round with a CAS plane that has no afterburner, he got pretty upset in the end and it was supposed to be fun. Edit: Though I used the one-use takeoff boosters in every round, you would only need to evade that trick once and energy trap me afterwards.
I've only played a litter rb, but when I was flying p47s I had a great time. So many guns, so fast, great climb, and pretty good survivability. I only really play arcade for the most part but for what it's worth I've loved p47 for a long time in this game, it's definitely not one to be panned full stop
p-47 is op with manual engine control the setup is 85% mixture and prop pitch and 0% both radiators with this setup you will never overheat and you will have more thrust
Dude doesn't understand that he doesn't understand the limits of what the P-47 can do and he doesn't understand what his aircraft could do if the P-47 should've lost all those fights according to the author. TLDR: Pilot Error.
The P-47's problem to me never felt like the turn rate - that actually felt pretty good. It was the energy generation which was the problem, especially in a 25min air RB match that usually ends by the 15 minute mark on tickets. And especially in 16v16 with so many fights.
Most of those planes would actually have beaten the P47 at those speeds and altitude, but the dude made high g flat turns, while the P47 went vertical. I used the German P-47 and bought the new Razorback as well, because I consider it a huge upgrade for my playstyle over the german planes there really are just two issues: 1. XP-50 dunno, but it's FM makes no sense... it's engines are just 2x 1200hp radials (drag) and it's quite heavy, a lot of planes would beat it in stats, yet have like half the rate of climb. 2. Match time / impatience. If my team is good, I might end with nothing, if my team is bad, I end up 1v5+. That aside, I think it's one of the coolest planes of WW2.
Funny thing is, you're not even using the P-47 to it's strengths. The thing is not a turn fighter, and yet, you still managed to win. Though it seems the other guy just didn't really understand a lot of the fundamentals of dogfighting.
Yes, the P-47 does take practice to turn to fight well. I know this cause it was my main ground attacker before the AU-1 came out. Doe to that, I have learned how to use the p-47s and win in dogfights. It is like the IL-2 with a better turn time for me.
People really forget how the P-47 was among the most OP props in the game a few years ago and the only difference was that it had an airspawn. They are badly undertiered in general, the D-22 is an absolute monster, it genuinely feels unfair to fly at times. You just have to keep your energy up and not head immediately into the battle before you climb
The p 47 d28 for me it's like a Zero, it turn really well, killing 109,190( A and D variants) and some ta's h, the d25 it's the pure ground pounder and the d 22. (I didn't played a lot so i don't have a opinion of it) awesome vídeo btw i liked to see those claps and sets on fire
I don't think that even P-47M, which has more power and is lighter wins vs even the boatiest of 109s, nor Ta-152H. But again, the point was that P-47s are simply not as bad as he made them out to be.
The amount of people who overestimate this plane is just sad. In the hands of a pilot that knows what he is doing it is deadly. Also many people don't know how to play this vehicle.
The p47 isn’t bad I feel it’s definitely not as competitive as it was before. I exclusively play jets most of the time so maybe that has something to do with it who knows
Did this dude call the D-28 "ok"??? That plane is a beast and one my favorite American props. When it was at 4.7 it was an absolutr monster and is still really good at 5.0 as well.
P-47's just shred in a CAS role. In some matches I never spawn in a tank again once I have enough SP for my Thunderbolt. And I usually end up as Top of the Team or Top 3.
I'm pretty sure the p47 can win every 1v1 against 109s at low and pretty high altitudes, also, it's the only plane in America that reliably gave me kills with one short burst. I'd rather have a p47 than a 109, that thing taught me more energy fighting than the mustang.
I respect the P-47, while I can usually take care of idiots at low altitude with my Yak-9T I still know to fear them whenever they have an altitude advantage or know how to energy fight. Those 8 .50 cals are no joke.
Tbh the other guy was really bad at dogfighting, P-47 is an average plane, not good not bad, just average, any turning flown correctly can destroy this thing in just a couple seconds tho.
