P-51 Mustang Vs Bf-109 k4 World War 2 Dogfight | DCS | 

Probably only sporadically. P-51 variants outclass their same-period 109 counter-parts in climb rate, speed etc. US had the better fuel etc to run higher engine power. K4 isn't that numerous either. So the time P-51 pilots need to fight 1v1 would be rare. That stall kill is cool though.

So uh who thinks this would work in war thunder simulator battles

Can you do a P47 vs FW190 dogfight video?

@@ecpgieicg It doesn't work as straight forward as you put it.The performance of both aircraft improved through time and depended on variant. For instance the P-51 of late 1943 early 1944 did outperform the contemporary BF-109 G-6 (though the latter could still outurn, outaccelerate and outclimb the former at lower attitudes). However and in spite of the improved engine parameters of late war P-51D's, the K-4 was such a vast improvement that it did outperform any wartime Mustangs. Of course the P-51H did outperform the K-4, but it never saw combat, so the comparasion is kind off pointless.

Shouldn't the P51D be turning tighter?

Wait that's illegal.

Goddammit beat me to it.

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Come here pretty boy with your bright yellow nose

My pleasure man and that’s a super cool story they don’t make men like they use to back then. Much respect to your grandfather

Yeah the hammerhead. It's a suicidal manoeuvre if you don't know exactly what you're doing and you still need a bit of luck.

And it's still on place

Lol clearly the damage model needs some work

Nah the bf109 did that thing where someone takes off their glasses just to reveal more glasses

Yeah and the best ro watch the sabaton version, it is simply awesome.

you guys give me the fuel to keep making them brother thank you for the love, you're much appreciated.

@@GrowlingSidewinder I absolutely love that you're featuring some WW2 material even though you said it's not really your cup of tea. Great videos!

thanks for the tip buddy I'll give that a try in the next video.

@Tennessee Country punctuation dude, jeez.

@@BosworthMcG You obviously missed the point!

@@kennethhicks2113 I did miss the point because I can’t read his paragraph.

@@BosworthMcG lighten up Francis. It's not as if RU-vid is a place one goes to write their doctorial dissertation.

The Cobra of it's day; a lifesaver if you have a single bogey hard on your a$$, but suicide if he has a wingman.

thanks buddy and thanks for tuning in and watching u the man.

I would say that’s correct within reason. I mean if u put the best pilot in the world in a spitfire and then gave the guy with less experience the f22 I think the f22 will win but that’s why I say within reason. So ya I agree The man behind the machine is more important than the aircraft in a dogfight.

Me too!!!

Did you know in p51 the stall manuver was known for when you couldn't get the bf109 off you

Also it says 'Ace of Hearts' but the suit behind the image of the girl is a spade.

The K4 109 has MW50 which is the same thing.

61 manifold 66 with wep wire broken its pitiful compared to the 75 inches we should be getting with allied fuel but p-51 is an old module and its unlikely to be "balanced" around the time they gone with now as opposed to the time when the pony was the only ww2 bird. This lower pressure in p-51 is with lower quality fuel used around 43 as opposed to the 109k doled out late November '44 when the allies were using much higher grade fuel 150 octane if I'm not mistaken. 10" mercury pressure probably doesn't sound like much but it's an enormous leap in terms of piston driven engines.

@@shannonnezul4903 its amazing what the Germans were able to do even with their lower grade fuels.

@@Savage_Viking not really. They made less power than the P51. The only outright advantage was fuel injection. The BF109 performs so well because it's a light weight fighter where as the P51 has armor and six 50cals with loads of ammo. I disagree with the BF109s ability to out dive a P51 that makes a lot more power. Doesn't make any sense.

@@PyroBlonde7777 Well I would highly recommend watching Greg's take on it, in this video. But long story short the 109K advantage was actually water-methanol injection system, which allowed them to pump out alot power even from their much lower grade fuels. Cheers! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1PA70pN6zPM.html&ab_channel=Greg%27sAirplanesandAutomobiles

@@PyroBlonde7777 The engine power depends on which 109 you're comparing the P-51 to and what boost rating the P-51 is running. At its highest boost of 75", the P-51 produces ~1850 hp and at the more common 72", ~1750 hp. By comparison, the Bf 109 G-14 produced ~1800 hp, the G-10 anywhere from ~1700 hp to ~2000 hp depending on the engine used, and the K-4 ~1800 hp to ~2000 hp again, depending on the engine used. So comparing the best 109 to the best P-51 from the war, the 109 did actually have a more powerful engine than the P-51 by a fairly significant margin. The P-51H-series did produce more than 2200 hp, but those didn't see service in WW2 and certainly not in the ETO. As for armor, neither plane had a significant amount of armor, and in fact very few aircraft in WW2 did. In the P-51 you'll find armor in the back of the seat and headrest for the pilot, as a firewall between the pilot and the engine, and as a small sheet located in the nose of the aircraft to protect the engine/coolant systems. The 109 had an armored seat and headrest and armor surrounding the fuel tank which was positioned just behind the pilot. Armor, therefore, differed relatively little between the two and any differences in practical durability would be much more due to construction methods than the actual presence of armor on the aircraft, and the Mustang was still superior in this regard. As for out-diving, it depends on the scenario. At high speed the P-51 would outdive the 109 K-4 while at low speed the K-4 would win. This is because low-speed acceleration is primarily a factor of power-to-weight, which the 109 excels in, but becomes a competition of parasite drag, which the P-51 excels in, as speeds increase. For a more in-depth explanation on this and aircraft dive performance in general, I recommend checking out AdamTheEnginerd's video titled "Mythbusting | Do Heavier Aircraft Dive Better Than Lighter Aircraft? "

I sure hope so buddy thats the plan.

They gave it 67" of manifold pressure, I don't know why they refuse to change it. Wehraboos would start crying on forums I suppose.

The BF-109 still had a lower stall speed at that point in time, slats and wing design made up for the higher wing-loading. Also forgot the power-to-weight ratio, which was considerably higher than a Mustang.

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 The 109 K did not have the same stall speeds as the 109 Fs, and earlier Gs it was heavier with no increase in wing area. That will bring your stall speed up, and stall speed doesn’t indicate your turn rate at all speeds will be better. It’s just showing that you can stay in the air at a slower speed, making slower speed climbs more efficient than in a aircraft with a high stall speed. I’m sure a P 51 D on 72”-75” could out shallow climb, and had better retention in shallows than the more Draggy, more powerful K4.

@@corvus9490 Honestly, I think people who fan boy germany want the most unrealistic advantages for the sake of the Nazis losing the actual war they want to win it for them in games I guess. I don’t understand the mentality. But yeah DCS can’t call itself the best sim if they can’t correct the manifold pressure of the mustang to standards of late 1943 and beyond. The german props encountered in the game were out in 1944-1945 therefore mustangs should run a clean 72” manifold at the LEAST.

@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Power to weight is nice but wing area still matters to an extent. Hence why some folks even bring up wing loading to begin with. Also wing slays actually cause more drag making MER (maneuvering energy retention) worse. So I could see a mustang keeping more speed in turns, etc. but at corner speeds it would out turn the K4. The only late 109s I think could really out do it is things like G14 & G14 A/S but even then try to take the fight faster. Lastly I’d like to say there were reports saying the 109 after 270mph would start locking up and not being able to pull as hard as below that number. Something like 5Gs-7Gs depending on the air speed. It was well known the mustang could out turn it at higher speeds though. However if both planes started at stall speed and had to gain speed in turns keeping it as level as possible the k4 wins that basically because acceleration at slow speed. But if that mustang has decent speed which most did if they are just flying straight for a bit it would have good chance.

My pleasure man glad you enjoyed. thanks for watching.