P&S ModCast 387 - FMJ: Not for Carry 

Mouse calibers with fmj is not a topic on this fmj episode. Duty calibers are. And remember, I am not an American. Just born here. Therefore I cannot be a Fudd. That's a term applied to YOUR people.

This Fudd has been watching P&S for over a decade, I already know the basics of what they are going to say.

Whatch the episode first dude

​@@boomee78 Everything I mentioned was not a Duty caliber. Please do eat more beef and eggs. We have got to beat the dude linguistic out of you. It's like Californian saying "Like OMG" IT delegitimizes you by definition. It does not inspire Authority whatsoever

​@@boomee78 I listened to the episode already on Pod Bean. Guess what? Fmj can be useful in some mouse calibers and rimfire. See? No change in my comment

.380 FMJ penetrates 26" in clear ballistics gel.

@@Kinetic.44 How many inches does that equate to in a human?

What are you gonna raid the antarctica aeed bank or something?

Nope, just trying to break up the comments with a little humor. 9 hours later I see that did not work.

@@matthewtellheart6060 yes it did.

I thought NJ is a big reason why polymer tipped JHP’s like Hornady’s Critical Defense and Critical Duty exist?

@brianfhorton Maybe? I'm not familiar with that, I just know NJ has really wack ammo laws and from what I understand you can only have carry hollowpoints in very specific scenarios. And the most common scenario for a civilian would be bringing it to the range with you to shoot.

+ countries around the world apart from the US with various laws and availability of ammo.

@@brianfhortonabsolutely correct. critical defense /critical duty is expressly permitted described on the NJSP website

For 99% of people carrying a firearm, it applies. The main points stand.

@PrimaryAndSecondary I didn't attack the main point of the episode. I pointed out the key word is "optimal". LSWC, FMJ, SP, Glasser, etc, any and all of them have worked at some point, somewhere. Optimally, everyone would be carrying premium duty ammo. Rarely are things "optimal" at all times. I have been issued and required to carry several less than optimal brands/types of ammunition by a law enforcement agency in the DFW area of Texas for example.

@sgtcwhatley there is a point in creating content where nuance just can't be addressed in the short amount of time the creator has. In a title, there is definitely a little wiggle room for nuance. The overall message is don't carry fmj. We covered some exceptions with smaller calibers in the body of the discussion. Early on in P&S history, saying 22LR was acceptable for carry was not possible because blind followers wanted absolutes, and addressing nuance did not go over well. As baselines of performance were established and understood, we began to expand our coverage of less understood concepts. This whole process took a long time with a known demographic. This specific title isn't necessarily only going to be read by that same demographic, so it needs to be a little more blunt, which in turn may attract some attention.

@PrimaryAndSecondary I can see where you are coming from in your reply, but I disagree with your premise. Thank you and your guests for the video.

They would be amazed by the technological advancements in ammunition that create more consistency in accuracy, wounding, and controlled penetration.

@@PrimaryAndSecondary Yeah, I love launching 9mm holllow points, basically like shooting HEDP. So much POWER!

Have you watched this episode?

That usually applies to mouse calibers primarily. Once you get to 9mm or higher it is difficult. Though .45 acp ball can perform better in an older 1911. As that's what what was used. I usually say Rimfire and Mouse Calibers are fine with FMJ. Proven to be correct historically. Though Hardcast may also be OK too.

​@@PrimaryAndSecondaryfuck that, we came to argue! Haha

​@@robertpatter5509 "I carry non-expanding .22LR in my pocket, but make sure you have proven JHP/defensive/duty grade ammo in your real gun that you might not have with you all the time" Do you not see the intellectual conflict with your thought process?

Seems rather obtuse since you watched the episode

Not everyone is on the same page, as shown in the comments.

I wish we didn't, but there's people who push the idea, even though it should be obvious to everyone who spends more than 5 seconds really thinking about it. We also had a dude try to fight a mob with a bow in 2020, so maybe we do need to have that modcast. Common sense isn't all that common after all.

@@stevencali3539 Bring that up in chat during. We have real world examples.

@tylerzmistowski5867 what chat?

@@PrimaryAndSecondary The hypothetical one on the podcast about not carrying bows for defense.

Don't fall for marketing.

Oof, buddy, that is not the way.

@PrimaryAndSecondary ooo, and it goes through the soft stuff if u know what I mean lol . Hollows are old tech and do well but honestly not that great. I hear just as many stories as people eating hollows and fmj all the same. If u want to b real all u need is enough penitration and shot placement. That's all folks and just like they are preaching plan for the 98%. And over pen is just that a none issue. My point I hear and have seen cops unloading with rounds everywhere, lol. Yet no innocent bystanders were even hit. Whyyyyy? Cuz when people hear one shot they r out of the building. Please b real lol not in fairytale larpin land.

the only larping is thinking that ammo is a good idea

@PrimaryAndSecondary lol ok sunshine keep telling yourself that. But it's funny u talk like u know, but I don't think u do. Sorry, but just dismissing something you don't know and haven't tested yourself to me is an eye-opening red flag. I mean u haven't said anything, lol. Tell me how I'm wrong. Prove me wrong. I'll b waiting on the video. Show me how bad of choice I've made. I'm open-minded, not stuck in the mud fud. Put your money where your mouth is sunshine. Don't talk if u don't walk.

This seems purposely obtuse since the logic was explained in the episode.

​@@PrimaryAndSecondary You choose to carry federal punch because you recognize shot placement and penetration is all that matters. You COULD carry .38 Spl +P JHP in the same gun, yet you choose to carry .22LR... You recognize that .380 FMJ over penetrates by FBI test standards, yet you accepted the risk... yeah I watched it.

@Kinetic.44 that's quite a simplistic generalization of things I have not said.

​​@@PrimaryAndSecondary Not you, it was Mr. Haggard who was explaining the "sub" calibers. Also, actions speak louder than words, you have said in several other videos that you pocket carry .22LR. Please tell me if I have said anything that is not factual.

@Kinetic.44 what I carry as a minimalist option versus what I carry edc versus what I carry on duty- they all have different parameters. This isn't one size fits all.