P2V NEPTUNE GOD OF THE SEAS: Part 2 of 2 - Wrap Up Commentary and RARE Airshow Performance CLOSE UP

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These two episodes cover the Lockheed P2V Neptune maritime patrol bomber in Anti-Maritime and Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) with the US Navy. We are privileged to feature an in-depth interview with former U.S. Navy Reservist Bill Bacon who shares his Cold War experiences with us as a crew member in the P2V-5F Neptune from 1956 into 1962, and then we feature a close-in flying demonstration of a P2V-7 we filmed in 1986, from startup to shutdown.
In Part 1 we touched on the technical evolution of the Neptune and its powerplants. We then interviewed Bill via cellphone as he shareed his impressions and Cold War experiences with the Neptune leading up to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
In this Part 2 Bill concludes with his firsthand impressions of and experiences with this fabulous aircraft and its powerplants, after which we experience the close-in P2V-7 flying demonstration.
I'd like to make a correction in Part 2. We erroneously refer to the Naval Air Station South Weymouth as having been located in Maine--it was actually situated in Massachusetts.
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoy this! Please hit "LIKE", "SUBSCRIBE" and "SHARE".
Authors, former aviation contacts, providers of current useful commentary and information, and those with business inquiries may reach us at:
John A. Reed
j.reed3930@sbcglobal.net

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@mrpaulkraus 3 года назад

My dad was a flight commander for VP11. Glad to learn more about this plane.

@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад

Your dad had an assignment I would have probably liked! I notice that VP-11 was based at Brunswick NAS MA for a time, possibly with VP-23 where our featured aircraft spent most of its time. Thanks for watching and we're glad we were able to add some perspective.

@paulnechols2647 2 года назад

Something else: Mention "coffee on the wing beam" to any P2 driver and you'll get a smile. The wing root went through the airplane and divided it behind the flight deck. Behind was the radio compartment and it was the radioman's job to make the coffee. The wing beam had black boxes on both sides with about 4-5' space between so one would have to crawl over it to get aft. The radioman would put the coffee pot on the wing beam and make that call on the ICS.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for that interesting piece of info! I will ask our featured radioman Bill Bacon about that. Makes me appreciate how easy it is for me to make my morning coffee--lot of Neptune crews talk about that massive wing box.

@timhinds9089 5 месяцев назад

Yep, that was my job and god help me if I didn’t have hot coffee right after takeoff. We always turned on the pot while we were taxiing out. By the time we actually took off it was ready. One time I forgot to plug in the percolator and it was cold after takeoff. I immediately plugged it in but I noticed it was percolating but it was like warm. Turned out we were too high by that point and water boils at a much lower temperature at 10k feet. We had to drop down to a lower altitude to get a decent pot. I never heard the end of that one. Every flight after someone would come on the ICS and ask if I plug the coffee pot in.

@danhirtle9279 2 года назад

My dad flew P2V's in the 50's with VP-24 (The Batmen). Stationed primarily in Hutchinson, Kansas, VP-24 took part in patrols up and down the eastern seaboard flying between Maine and NSGB during which they typically played cat and mouse with Soviet subs tracking them right up to the mouth of Chesapeake Bay. They also flew extended tours over the Mediterranean using RAF Hal Far airfield on Malta as their base of operations. One of my earliest memories is of him returning to Hutchinson from Malta with two live Maine lobsters commandeered during a refueling stop in Brunswick. Good times. Agree the Neptune was a good looking airplane.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks, Dan for checking us out. I hear from a lot of folks whose dads crewed Neptunes, as well as crew members themselves. This is the audience we want to reach and thanks for sharing your dad's and your experiences. In the early 1950's my uncle flew the same eastern seaboard patrol tracks your dad did with the U.S. Navy (VP-44) except he piloted the Neptune's complement, the Martin P5M Marlin seaplane. He flew the very first P5M delivered to the Navy with that squadron.

@allen480 2 года назад

I enjoyed the videos of the Neptune. Many thanks!

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

You bet Allen, and thanks for watching. We had just as much fun making them.

@timhinds9089 6 месяцев назад

I was a radio operator/ Julie /ECM operator. We needed radioman more than ASW crewman so I gained most of my 1000+ hours in the radio position. Some of the issues covered regarding the engines was reminiscent of similar incidents we experienced when far at sea. Regarding the Jets, a student pilot was inquiring if the jets were sufficient for takeoff alone. We were doing touch and goes at San Clemente Island which isn’t a very long runway. The instructor pilot taxied out for takeoff and feathered the recips. He went full power on the jets and we started slowly down the runway, but picked up significant speed about halfway. We left the ground about 3/4’s down the runway and had the quietest, smoothest takeoff I had ever experienced in the P-2. The recips had a reputation of hitting a certain speed on takeoff and the sound of the props tips hitting breaking the sound barrier would literally rattle your eardrums. A full day of touch and goes was quite enough stress on my ears.

@AeroDinosaur 5 месяцев назад

Wow, that is a new one for me! Thanks for sharing that pure jet takeoff--didn't know they could do that. Were always glad to reach crewmen like you who were there (I wasn't!). It seems the R-3350 TC had a habit of blowing people's ears out inside the cabin on takeoff. From what I understand the C-119 Flying Boxcar had to be the worst. Thanks for watching!

@jroar123 6 месяцев назад

At 7:05 there is a photo of a group of men. On the bottom row (second to the far right with the cover on with his right hand out and on one knee on the tarmac is "Jerry Rohrer" He was the crew chief and also my adopted father. He passed away a few years back now.

@jimjordan6562 3 года назад

My dad flew with VP-881 at Olathe and VP-67 in Memphis. Passed away in Honolulu in June 2020.

@jimjordan6562 3 года назад

Many thanks for uploading the footage of the air show VP-67 ship.

@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад

@@jimjordan6562 My pleasure! I remember both Olathe and VP-67 Memphis operations as we mentioned in the video. I am not sure if the Olathe aircraft were still VP-881. Thank you for watching and glad you found it interesting. Sorry to hear of your dad's recent passing. I lost both parents in 2015.

@1942pippy Год назад

An outstanding video many thanks for sharing it brings back many memories

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Thanks for checking us out and for the complement. Glad we could get some of your memories to resurface--the reason we make the videos in the first place!

@garyzimmett8362 8 месяцев назад

Loved flying as 2nd mech and plane captain for 2 of my 5 yrs of my Navy service

@AeroDinosaur 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching it and hope it juggled your memories a bit. We like to reach servicemen who were "there", unlike me! J.A. Reed

@williamkeyes1617 10 месяцев назад

I was the Ordinance man on VP-18's, Flying Phantoms LG-2, 135547, back in 1957,8,&9, made many pots of coffee, and cooked many a meal on the 'ol girl while out on long patrols out of N.A.S. Jacksonville, Fla.

@AeroDinosaur 10 месяцев назад

William thanks for checking us out--we are always glad to reach actual crew members! Hope we juggled some memories too. JA Reed.

@taketimeout2share 3 года назад

From the first time I came across one of these in a plane spotters book way back in the 60's to right now I always thought what.a handsome airplane the PV2 is. And of course its replacement the Orion is one of the only planes that looked even better. Thank you Lockheed.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Sorry I didn't catch your comment when you posted 9 months ago. Thanks for watching!

@seanpratherful 3 года назад

Fantastic stuff as always. Appreciate all of the work that goes into these. And the Neptune is an aircraft I wasn’t familiar with...great to learn about.

@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад

Thank you again seanpratherful. Glad to have been able to introduce the Neptune to you!

@WAL_DC-6B 3 года назад

Excellent video on the Lockheed Neptune. I especially enjoyed the part at the beginning with the interview of the Navy crewman who related some of his more interesting experiences aboard this famous anti-submarine aircraft. It's a shame that the P2V you have footage of flying has apparently been scrapped. Nice job, John, and thanks for sharing!

@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад

Thanks a million, Dan. Navy crewman Bill Bacon is 85 years old so I thought it would be good to get him on record. Also, while I do have conformation that BuNo 148358 was converted to fire tanker in the late '80's and then changed hands once or twice, I have no hard confirmation that it has been scrapped - that's really a foregone conclusion. As you likely know, the fire Neptunes have been abruptly yanked from service and there has been a wholesale massacre of them out west over the past few years. That Indiana Museum Neptune just disappeared from my radar screen right after I saw it that June day. Yes, a lousy outcome all around!

@BruceThacker Год назад

I flew on this very aircraft with VP92 from '73-'75. NAS South Weymouth was in Massachusetts not Maine, however.

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Thanks for your correction--I will mention this in the written video description. Unfortunately, I learned from other viewers that your BuNo 148350 was destroyed in a firebombing accident in New Mexico a number of years back, killing all the crew. Thank you very much for checking us out.

@christianeybergen611 2 года назад

This brings back many memories of my 5000 hours of flight time I. P2v5-7s. I was the first tech.and Jez , julie, ecm and. Aps 20 operator

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thank you, sir, for watching. Former crew members like you is who we want to reach, so we're glad we've been able to shake out some memories for you. You sure did spend a lot of time in Neptunes!

@nickbarton9819 8 дней назад

I was aircrew on the P2V.

@philipcollura2669 Год назад

Mid Atlantic Air Museum, Reading, Pa. is mentioned. I'm a Tour Guide there, and it is still on display. Navy Air Reserve; I was trained on Jezebel, but P2Vsqua

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

Thanks for checking us out--we are always glad to reach people like you who have real experience with the history. I was a tour guide in the very early years of the Airline History Museum in Kansas City when it was "Save A Connie". I really enjoyed that work. J.A. Reed.

@user-ff2iz5qc6l Месяц назад

What ever happened to the other P2 that the Mid-Atlantic museum had? I remember seeing both back in 1985 or 86 at the air shows that were held there?

@lynnbrown8090 8 месяцев назад

Still in VP-67 markings I flew this one. Last of the true ASW P-2’s.

@AeroDinosaur 7 месяцев назад

We're always glad to reach crews like you who flew the planes we feature. If you ever flew to St. Louis, you probably passed over my house, and, if you looked down (you were for sure way too busy for that) you could probably have seen me looking up at you from my front yard! Best regards, J.A. Reed

@philipcollura2669 Год назад

But didn't get to fly since P2V squadrons were disbanded not long after completing A school. My 50 year old knowledge didn't go totally to waste, since I'm pretty well versed to describe it's workings to visitors. We open it for the WWII weekend. I really enjoy helping visitors to climb in and crawl around it.

@AeroDinosaur Год назад

I guess timing is everything! I wish MAAM was able to still fly that Neptune.

@paulnechols2647 2 года назад

I flew SP2H's with VP-17 in Whidbey Island, Washington between 1966-68, got a little over 1000 hours in 'em. A few comments: Those 3350's were, as you said, pretty unreliable. With 12 airplanes in the squadron we'd get about one engine failure a month on average. A lot of the shutdowns though were caused by engine driven generator failures. The problem was that there was a 15 degree U joint coming our of the engine and another 15 degree U joint where the generator was installed in the wheel well. There had been some cases of the bottom U joint snapping and then the shaft would whip around causing considerable damage, so we would have to visually confirm a disconnect with a slight rise in BMEP or else we'd have to feather the engine. Another problem was exhaust stacks coming loose causing a fire warning. When pre-flighting we had to reach into the jet exhaust and spin the turbine to see if it was free, but we were required to wear flight gloves as there was a lot of lead buildup on the blades. It was a nice flying plane though, didn't have any bad habits (except for the engines). Very stable on approach, and it was pretty maneuverable for its size.

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for checking us out--always glad to reach service members with real experience in the P2's (unlike me). Never thought about lead buildup on the PRT blades, but I bet they had a lot! If you don't mind I've put both your name and your info into my running database. Thanks again! FYI, I found out from a viewer that our featured SP2H in our video was a very active firebomber after the museum sold it, but sadly it crashed in the early 2000's on a fire mission--entire crew perished.

@CarFrCal 3 года назад

A nice wrap up to part 1. The antenna story was interesting and explains much . By the time this story made it around the SOSUS stations it was a sonobuoy that was dropped on an ELINT trawler. "You could actually hear the Russians talking!"

@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад

Now that sounds pretty typical!

@lesregnerus6586 3 года назад

Long live the memory of VO 67

@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад

Hear hear!

@stevetadlock5223 2 года назад

Laging Handa

@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад

Thanks for checking us out!

@philipcollura2669 Месяц назад

I know the other P2 was sold, as a guess not long after they took possesion.

@AeroDinosaur 21 день назад

No surprise--upkeep and operations are a ball-and-chain with the P2. Thanks for reaching out! J.A. Reed

@TheRpg1964 8 месяцев назад

Typically, only the US used these aircraft! Yes I am being sarcastic! Australia has used the same Maritime Patrol aircraft as the US and still has flying examples of the Hudson, Catalina, and although not piston powered, the Orion (at this time, 2 examples still in service for specialized use) my point is that you, the US, produced this category's, fine aircraft fit for purpose, and your best friend, Australia still displays and flies these aircraft. The videos are far more recent and far clearer to view. Make the change and I will subscribe as well as donate as a Patreon. The US is not the center of the world anymore. Spread out and you might find more people like you!

@AeroDinosaur 8 месяцев назад

Yes, we are aware that many countries, including Australia, operated this aircraft. We were just showing it from a U.S. airman's personal perspective. Since I have lived in the US all my life, that is most of what I know--sorry for my narrow view of a US-designed and built aircraft. I have always known that Australia has done a much better job than the rest of the world of preserving very difficult aircraft in flying condition (like the Neptune and Constellation). Also, the footage in many of our videos was taken 30 years ago (some of it, such as in our DC-7C videos, has never been--and never will--be replicated). There was no Hi Def then so there is nothing I can do about that. I have seen many of the great Australian (and other) Hi-Def videos you mention, and AeroDinosaur has a lot of Hi-Def footage of other aircraft in our other videos. Thanks for watching! JA Reed.