Packaged Curd vs Homemade Curd - Which Curd is the Best?

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Curd or Dahi is one of the most cherished dairy products by us Indians. But which curd do you use? Amul, Mother dairy, from a regional brand or from the local dairy? Basically, which is the best curd in the Indian market? Let’s find out.
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Curd not only amplifies the taste of any meal but also being rich in calcium, probiotics and protein, it is among the top strength giving foods on the planet. But is it true for the packaged curd that we generally buy? To find out the best curd in India, I have thoroughly researched about all the options available and have categorised them into 4 categories.
00:57 - CATEGORY #1 - The most popular packaged curds. Be it Amul masti dahi, Mother dairy dahi or whatever local brand that is available near you.
02:57 - CATEGORY #2 - Curd sourced from a local dairy. I tried setting the curd using the same milk but two different active cultures, one from the local dairy and other from packaged curd. Results were shocking.
04:24 - CATEGORY #3 - This one is much better than the ones discussed in the above two categories.
05:30 - Dishonourable Mention - The recent trend of greek fruit yoghurts.
06:02 - CATEGORY #4 - This is by far the best curd you can eat for your health.
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@FitTuber Год назад

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@Geninaja Год назад

7 recipe please

@vershala Год назад

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@Vrthe299predators Год назад

In our Karnataka most of us consume “Nandini” which has less shelf life and pure ❤

@Geninaja Год назад

I'm also from Karnataka 🎉

@ashutoshverma237 Год назад

It's shit

@akashshahapur2543 Год назад

nandini karnataka’s pride💪

@mazinboo9406 Год назад

Use home made instead don't trust packed much

@ritjain13 Год назад

Amul is best

@codesofyou Год назад

From last 50 years , we have never bought milk , curd etc milkmade product bcoz we've kept a cow , 2 are sahival & 3 are desi ❤ we didn't face any problem ! And yeah I've a joint family 19 member in my family ( father + 2 uncle + 2 Aunty + 3 sister + 5 brother including cosuins + 2 grandmothers + 2 grandfathers )

@raghav_1997 9 месяцев назад

dream life

@alkagupta8594 8 месяцев назад

I want to have cows as well but taking care of them is such a difficult task with me being in a job

@mendgudlisdaughter1871 7 месяцев назад

I envy such big families. Why am I not a member of big family! I love to be!!

@AnujaVilas 7 месяцев назад

Lucky

@meenals7060 6 месяцев назад

That's superb

@chiraggera3160 Год назад

After starting using A2 milk, I have been setting curd on my own! I can confirm that on days whenever I use the active culture from the packaged curd, I do sometimes see it isn't well set but that rarely ever happens while setting curd using culture from curd I had previously set. Thank you for sharing tips on curd setting Vivek, appreciate all your efforts!

@thelayman6189 Год назад

Where did you get the culture/ curd for setting your own curd ?

@mohsinahmed6717 Год назад

Also can i use pasteurized a2 milk from market? Which brand of curd did you use as culture?

@princek6135 Год назад

@@thelayman6189from neighbours

@rickgrime889 2 месяца назад

Same question as above

@ranitiwari5465 Год назад

Thank u so much I recently found out that my body needs good bacteria Doctor gave probiotic tablets I was eating Amul curd thinking that I will recover faster😂😂 But now I will take curd from our pehalwan ji❤

@StudentAditi98 Год назад

The best one always is : homemade dahi ..... It's really tasty and healthy ❤ my mother uses little amount of leftover card to milk or tamarind pulp to set home-made dahi

@ashanegi773 7 месяцев назад

Kya tamarind

@Aryan-25.10 19 часов назад

Imli@@ashanegi773

@happythind1654 Год назад

I want to add one more thing in your information is that these local venders uses less fat milk and add cornstarch to make curd thick and we'll settled. Because it gives them a lot of profit as they sell ghee or cream separately and skimmed milk in the form of curd.

@MEGHNATHDas-w5p Год назад

Right, as a vendor, i can confirm that your information is 100% true

@raminder1990 Год назад

So true.. local dairy products are highly adulterated bcz they don't have any quality check

@PRIYANKSANJAYBHAIPATEL 6 месяцев назад

Sir there are few points which you have to study well 1. In industrial dahi preparation the milk solid is milk powder which is use to maintain the snf of the milk which use to prepare dahi 2. In industry dahi making there are few steps additional than the traditional dahi making like pasteurize the dahi milk, standardisation of milk than preheat, incubating etc. 3. Incubation,proper standardisation and culture addition of proper quantity this gives same consistency to industrial milk every time 4. The 15 days shelf life is due to pasteurisation of milk and proper sterile packaging of curd. 5. Finally sir local dahi might be made in unhygienic environment or utensils.

@sahilpatil3800 6 месяцев назад

Again you spreading good content but there is tiny mistake that you said the milk used for preparation of dahi is pasteurize at 70 degree for 30 min that is completely wrong, in dairy industry the milk is used for preparation of dahi is pasteurize at 90 degree for 10 min and incase of pasteurization of milk is done by two methods that is batch(LTLT) and Continuous (HTST).So Overall your content is good.

@Jartisann 3 месяца назад

10 minutes? 90 C? No way that is the right amount of time and temp for pasteurization, unless this is done intentionally to denature the protein for a very long time. Pasteurization we are talking just 15 seconds, not 10 minutes. And minimum is just 72 C.

@sahelidas8309 Год назад

Found your channel on RU-vid is truly blessing for me.

@voyager369 Год назад

yes he has been changing many people's lives for a long time ❤

@kaushalrsheth 6 месяцев назад

We have stopped using Amul Dahi after seeing this video and are preparing curd at home using cow milk. Thanks so much. We used to eat a lot of Amul curd on a daily basis.

@growinlife4617 Год назад

Kudos to you Vivek, for pouring your heart and soul on this channel. Your continuous efforts and dedication all these years is truely inspirational for all of us. Lots of love from Bangalore ❤❤

@KiranKumar-ux8th Год назад

Great information.What’s your view on Veganism?

@vishwas5583 Год назад

It is an imperative of our time 🌱🌟

@FORTITUDE-jd2hv Год назад

Day after after day, scientific researches are coming with strong evidence for the support of Vegan diet. Non Vegan diet, Animal agriculture and Animal products are the most contributing and least discussed causes of climate change. We hope he will say on this also in upcoming time.

@sk21719 Год назад

@@FORTITUDE-jd2hvvegetarian diet is better than vegan diet

@vikasnagar5743 11 месяцев назад

Hello Fit tuber - your videos are informative and help people like us to avoid fake or adulterated food items , request you to please make a video on Honey brands also so that we can choose best possible brand and I k ke you will also provide benefits + ways to consume honey . Look forward for your support 🙏

@ishanipimpale 8 месяцев назад

The one most important concern that is completely looked over in this video is hygiene maintained by these local dairies.. there are n number food poisoning cases due to stale, unhygienic milk products in India purchased from local dairies. We have no problem in buying curd made from desi cow milk as far as it doesn't risk our lives.. Indian food authorities fail to ensure that food sold in local markets are safe for consumption. Milk products are offered to small kids especially. Its very important that we make sure that these products are safe.

@rohangorrocks Год назад

Thanks for making this video Bhai,much awaited. I had posted this suggestion few months back to make this video and you made it,it means you read all the comments. Thanks alot once again bro.

@ExcellentHealth Год назад

Fantastic video brother. I'd like to mention that you can make curd without heating up the milk. I personally leave raw milk in room temperature for 36-48 hours until it sets. I've eaten this "raw curd" for 2.5 years without any problems whatsoever. You seem to be well aware of the effects of pasteurization. I can personally tell you that after researching the topic very thoroughly, I've found that high quality raw milk never makes anyone sick.

@the_pawn_star Год назад

I was sick from the raw milk so stop your raw milk agenda.

@ExcellentHealth Год назад

@@the_pawn_star What country do you live in? South Asia is a very polluted place. Blaming raw milk for what pollution did is incorrect.

@agentsmith_ 10 месяцев назад

@@ExcellentHealth are you from the US ?

@planewanderer 9 месяцев назад

@@the_pawn_star And I get lots of health issues from pasteurized milk .

@Vk-dt2nm 9 месяцев назад

@@the_pawn_star if your body can't digest then its your problem

@sirishakota3703 Год назад

Hello Vivek, thanks for the very informative video. I have two questions regarding this. One, I live in Germany, with difficulty I found a farmer who is selling raw cow milk and these cows are not injected with hormones. But they are most probably A1. He doesn’t know the difference, but they are huge really big cows. I don’t think they have Desi A2 cows or buffaloes in Germany. So is it ok if I use that milk? It has so much fat and the Dahi I set with that milk is so yumm. Second question concerns my conscience. It is a common practice that calves are separated from their mothers under the premise that they over drink the milk and get sick. I don’t know how far this is true but I think cows don’t need humans to teach their calves when to stop drinking. Am sure they have their own system to regulate the calves. So I find it very disturbing to see that calves are sitting far away and screaming for their mothers. It is emotional abuse. I don’t feel good consuming that milk. What is your perspective on this?

@rocksneha059 Год назад

i have the same question. I dont have a dairy farm nearby so i dont have access to full fat milk. The max is 3.5% fat which is not good for curdling. In addition the temperatures are mostly under20 degree celsuis. How can we still get to the process of making curd?

@sirishakota3703 Год назад

@@rocksneha059 I usually set the oven to 50 degrees Celsius, turn it off and leave the bowl in the oven in that heat. That helps. I also add one dry red Mirchi in it, that help too. Keep the milk warm enough. If you have access to Kefir (type of yogurt) use that as starter.

@laksh15 Год назад

@@sirishakota3703 Sorry for the off-topic question, but could you tell me if you are studying in Germany? How was it possible to travel to Germany?

@ajinkyanagare6835 10 месяцев назад

Drink kefir probiotic... Much benefit then curd

@pranjalgosai2227 6 месяцев назад

Local Dairy have more chances of contamination rather than dairy industry The 15 days shelf life is due to pasteurised of milk

@shivislifestyle9858 6 месяцев назад

pls pls pls - advice on curd for people living outside India... here its almost not possible to get Deshi Curd

@bankersandtravellers2677 Год назад

One video is needed about all available ice-cream brands. Please make it for us. ✅

@badu95 5 месяцев назад

Yes sir since last 50years setting Dahi has never been a problem for me even when the temperature drops down to 3degrees at night Only the technique has to be right Yes people go for skimmed milk n all sorts of toned milk n the results is yeeks For me it’s full cream milk just take out th cream after boiling And there u r Tasty nutritious dahi for all seasons A big thank you

@charanreddy2504 Год назад

We make our own curd with the milk from the cows we raise😮😊

@kawarenikhil9885 7 месяцев назад

Please Send me 1 Kg Curd from your fams

@forstatus3914 6 месяцев назад

Homoginization is not used to extend shelf life of the milk, But it is used for giving better mouth feel and improving texture.

@rishabhmishra4426 Год назад

the reason why i choose to buy products that you sponsor is because these brands must have some guts to present themselves before you.

@raghav7581 Год назад

I am a Vegan 🌱🌻 so I make Peanut curd 🥜 for my family and it really tastes great and is cruelty free as well 😇

@हर्ष-श7श Год назад

Great bro 💪 you have a big heart for animals 🐄🐃 🐖🐔🥚🐟and you are the real son of mother Earth 🌏

@Oleee4499 Год назад

How to make pls share me the recipe

@mohitJEE-hh8ul Год назад

Yes it tastes😋 far better than the normal curd and is rich in probiotics and Protein.

@AmanYadav-zr5gc Год назад

Appreciate you.

@Myself_Megha Год назад

Isn't curd made from milk & lemon also?

@healthyNyoungMe 7 месяцев назад

Curd is something which can be easily made at home. Not needed to buy from outside.

@saymapatel7924 Год назад

Much needed video as I am going to start your weight gain plan

@mihirojha4475 Год назад

Pasteurization is pretty much an essential process these days. It is better to compromise on those Vitamins and consume them from another source than get cholera, typhoid or dysentery etc by consuming raw milk which might be contaminated. In fact dont we boil milk before consuming it at home too?

@Priya-eh7tc 9 месяцев назад

A big big big salute to his intense lvl of research n his gr8 devotion n hard work!!! God bless u Vivek!! ❤❤

@bhavanimudaliar9829 Год назад

@5:58 that throw was outstanding 😂

@mansi0708 Год назад

Please can you make video on how to get rid of sensation in ears with remedies and possible ayurvedic medicine. Please make this video its really very important for me 🙏

@TusharVasishta Год назад

Nandini brand users of Karnataka, be happy you have the best milk and curd supply.

@Jartisann 3 месяца назад

Thanks for posting the title in English and also actually having the video in English! Kudos. (Unlike many other Indian videos with Eng. title, the content is usually in Hindi or etc. which made me very disappointed)

@srinivasjayaprakash2531 Год назад

Hi fittuber. Been travelling happily with you towards a healthy life since the last 6 years. Thanks for everything ❤

@parags9953 Год назад

Very informative video, please make a video on best Paneer in the Indian market

@parags9953 Год назад

@@SumanthSunny 🤣 yes I know if the milk is not pure then what's the point

@nishadas8914 Год назад

Milk solids mean milk powder. It can be low fat or full fat depending on recipe.

@jeetusingh3030 4 месяца назад

2:40 here to point out about milk solids and the process of making any packaged milk/curd etc. The process of making packaged milk/ curd is vastly different from what you would have thought. Firstly after the gathering raw milk, all milk is converted into milk solids. This process destroys enzymes and various vital nutrients. Then these milk solids are sent to different plants where milk/ curd is made. for example if you make standard milk, a specific proportion of milk solid is added with sugar, water and lab synthesized nutrients. This will give you standard milk. Similarly, the extra cream variant may contain more milk solids than the standard one, and is processed in different plant. Curd is made in a similar fashion but also adds lab culture in different plant. This is the general process of making different milk products cause this not only makes repackaging and distribution cheaper and easier but also maintains the same taste standard across the batch.

@twinguide752 Год назад

In our Assam, Purabi milk and curd is very popular ❤. People generally here consume it.

@Bilardothehunk Год назад

Worst. Mother's is way better than purabi

@manojmeena1753 Год назад

@@Bilardothehunkwhere to find mother's milk i live in guwahati

@manojmeena1753 Год назад

@@Bilardothehunkpurabi is the only accessible dahi we are consuming

@twinguide752 Год назад

@@manojmeena1753 exactly. Even I want to know the location.

@Bilardothehunk Год назад

Mother's dairy curd. It comes in 2 variants , normal sweeetened and gur sweetened. Purabi is highly adulterated and artificial

@digvijaysingh3794 Год назад

He make video on what topic whic is currently we all needed ,I noticed this!!💖💖

@s_sanjh Год назад

The best curd is my "Mom's selfmade curd" 💕✨

@BharatKaRehnewalahoon6 7 месяцев назад

if you do not have active culture you can put two green chilly with both sides are cut n removed.

@harmitpatel3748 6 месяцев назад

Local dairy have more chances of contamination rather than Dairy industry....Share proper information with public this make an large impact on public... 💯

@deepikasharma5424 Год назад

Sir pls make video for cholesterol patients.... what breakfast, lunch and dinner they should eat?

@shibanjanghosh6229 Год назад

He is like a God Listens to all my problems and creates videos timely 😅

@mohammedkamilshaikh8406 Год назад

ACha to do tumko videos ke zariye samjhata he😂

@suparnachakraborty1971 4 месяца назад

Thank you for making this video. Request you to kindly make a complete video on Greek yougurt. I found by Google searching that it is made from a different starter, that is lactobacillus bugaricus and people with lactose intolerance have no problem with it, though the flaovoured variant are of no use. Want to know in detail from you.

@LS9163 Год назад

I have a question. Can the companies lie about the ingredients they mention in the product?

@theraghavs 7 месяцев назад

In winters i use casserole to set the curd to avoid external temprature

@sudeepdhar8903 4 месяца назад

I'm not finding much substance or factual information in this video. I was hoping to understand about the industrial-scale production of curd in factories and whether it contains probiotic bacteria, to compare with homemade curd. If anyone knows of a video that covers these topics, I'd appreciate if you could share the link

@subhrajyotisen7153 Год назад

I can say what he will say without even seeing the video: 1. Make your own curd 2. Buy from your local sweet shop(in my case sweetshops do sell curds)

@TejasRajPurohit1 8 месяцев назад

Wdym by sweetshops ?

@subhrajyotisen7153 8 месяцев назад

I mean local sweetshops here in my locality sell curds in earthen kulhad.

@subhrajyotisen7153 8 месяцев назад

I mean local sweetshops here in my locality sell curds in earthen kulhad.

@GarudAtma 11 месяцев назад

It is very easy to make curd at home, Buy any brand curd. Boil 500gm tond or full cream milk, let it cool down but still warm, put two tea spoon of curd in it. And leave it untouched over night then in the morning put it in the fridge to cool it down. In winter put a warm milk container under cloth wraps to prevent it from losing its warmness too quickly.

@srilathalatha9768 Год назад

Hi sir you are the best and this is the channel which I follow blindly thank you sir for this information

@Yt-xy8wn Год назад

Sir can you please make a video on anxiety management?🥺 I have severe anxiety and have been hospitalized too. I don't want to rely on medicines to feel normal 😔

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Pacify your vata dosha. He has videos on this topic .

@sayedyasmeen844 Год назад

You are doing great job...information jo tmhare videos se milti he wo ache se samjh aati he..pls ye bataye Curd aur Yogurt me bhi koi faraq he?

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Please make a video of worst to best baby skin care products in Indian market

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Only youtuber whose intro we never skip

@modernconcerns Год назад

Please review Country Delight A2 cow milk and Ghar jaisa Dahi.... Thank you❤

@MindArtEscape Год назад

This is my favourite channel for a good health. Healthy body healthy mind.

@AmanYadav-zr5gc Год назад

Should make a video on Cruelty free (plant based) curd in india.

@mohitJEE-hh8ul Год назад

Underrated comment 😪

@सत्यसंवाहक Год назад

Yes, it is a much needed video 💯👍

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Heh Meat tasty 🤤🤤😋😋😋

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They are poison

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Please make a video on HOW TO KEEP OUR KIDNEYS HEALTHY

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In kerala, milma and milky mist r famous but I don't know whether they r safe

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@ayushjain1016 Год назад

U r from Delhi & u didn't mentioned dairy products from country delight ( they r the best ) ..Highly Shocking abt the research u did on this subject....

@sowmyaseshan518 Год назад

I have been using A2 milk and make curd at home. It no doubt is tasty but also find acidity and stomach issues have reduced a lot. If sometime curd for setting curd is not available at home and I use packaged curd the quality of curd is not good and it takes 2-3 days to get to normal curd

@anujachaudhari9040 6 месяцев назад

Did you used A2 buffalo or A2 cow milk ? And which culture for making at home?

@purnimashaw7067 Год назад

If you are from Kolkata than give a try to Nutrifarms dahi...

@abhinv Год назад

if we are making curd at home, you didn't say from where to get the active culture?

@naveenavasthi2534 Год назад

This man is a gem of a person ❤😊

@creator2.ogaming627 Год назад

Video bohot dino se soch raha tha ki aap video nhi aa ,video dekh kar mazaa aagaya bhai😑

@prettypout23 Год назад

Thank you to make us aware in every aspect of healthy life & healthy eating ❤️❤️

@tejishthamahajan-yz3ih Год назад

Please make a video for people suffering from OCD and similar issues. We need more videos on mental and physical (holistic) well-being. ❤

@riyaray1006 3 месяца назад

packaged curd tastes sweeter i feel there is addition of sugar also seen blood sugar spike whenever i take this packaged curd in meal

@honey_pie11 Год назад

Thank you so much FITTUBER sir for this awareness. Love your work.😊👏

@prajjwalgupta837 10 месяцев назад

Just have one cow. It is worth it. Any normal cow gives milk around ~7 to 8 liters liters of milk daily which is sufficient for the dairy needs of two families.

@manit3944 Год назад

Poor customer support from Tru product .

@nadeemkhanflp Год назад

Make a video on best to worst whey protein powder

@vikassharma4515 Год назад

We used double tonned milk for curd...but its curd set good....

@bhaveshbharti4782 Год назад

Please make a video on vegan diet

@roopalishinde1514 10 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for this informative video. You put in a lot of effort 💯👍🏾. Just a request - please make a video on vegan philosophy, it's merits and demerits etc. Thankyou once again n all the best for your future endeavours 👍🏾

@LazyLee22 Год назад

Hi, Vivek. I'd request you to please make a new video on Hair Wax as Menganic Hair Wax is not available on web's anymore and Kraves Hair Wax is only available in 100g. Plus it does require shampoo to get it completely removed from the hair. Therefore, can you recommend new Hair Waxs for daily or 4-5 times in a week. And I hope this comment reaches you as I was constantly searching for a natural hair wax, but I couldn't find one.

@prashantpandey3730 Год назад

Plz make video on which soup is best in Indian market.....

@reddyakanksha98 Год назад

Thanks for sharing the real facts in simple words Vivek Bhai. I've been following you for 3 years, and my perception has changed in so many things when I'm following your words.. Looking forward to these kinds of knowledgeable videos. A big thanks to you, and sending lots of best wishes to you from our family :)

@MrKmanohar Год назад

Pls make a video on this packed milk,curd, and toothpaste with a mark of green,red,blue, and black on packets. What they mean and which is good .

@ushags6677 Год назад

Thanks for this breef information sir. Actually when we are in our younger age, my mother use to do same as u said. In that time we was getting pure milk from cow, but now a days.... All packaged food 😢

@ashutoshshukla5362 Год назад

Bro I know u got video ideas . But please consider making a video on IBS.

@Kingsolver246 Год назад

Caption is wrong Vivek. You did not tell which 10 curds you have discussed.

@revathikashimalla7005 Год назад

I make my own curd at home daily, our meal was incomplete without curd and it's yummy🤤

@SarlaSancheti-md5bb Год назад

Plz make video on problems like eating disorders

@human2713 Год назад

he should literally be given an award for the *amount of positive change* he did in our life. _AGREE?_

@trendingworld023 Год назад

Hello Aapki video bht achi hoti hai Bht detail video hoti hai Or maine aapki sari videos dekhi hai Thank you so much Ek request hai pls baby products pe ek detail video banaye pls every newmom needs it. Bacho ke products ko leke Mann me bht sawal aate h kya kharide kya nhi konsa lotion acha hoga konsa nhi... Plsss It's a request 🙏🙏🙏🙏

@pateltaksh1373 6 месяцев назад

Bro local dairy me contamination jyada hota hai and pasteurization is used for kill pathogens.

@MissAVS Год назад

Fittuber vivek ji , please batado pumpkin / sunflower seeds ko kon si form mein consume kar saktein hai ( roasted , raw or Soaked in water ) sab channels bas nuksaan faiyde batate hai , jabki comments mein bahut se log unse puchte reh jate hai ki kaise kis tarike se khana hai inko + bahut logo ko shortness of breath ( allergy bhi huyi hai ) mostly jo raw form mein lete hai , sab log sabse influence hokar kha to lete hai but influencers sabse safe tarika nahin batate .

@ross5050 9 месяцев назад

Curd is most essential for Indians from the Southern Part of the country at lunch with Rice and curries(like sambhar, mozhu, mampazhapulissery)

@madhousenetwork Год назад

But Pasteurization is industry norm right? Even the milk we get in packets which we buy daily undergo it.

@kumarvis01 Год назад

Only problem with category 2 is we are not sure about quality of Milk used Some time it's Uriya based Milk

@Mahiiii45 Год назад

"Nandhini" is best in Karnataka 🧡💛 whatever you told all it has

@angelskittiess Год назад

It is A1 and Homogenised. Not Good

@seeker5393 10 месяцев назад

some people are commenting here for ENJOYING life with all packaged food items available in the market. To them 👇 life is good with such low grade food items till the point you visit a hospital with major illness and then you are not allowed anymore to enjoy these cheap products (bp, diabetes, kidney failure, heart attack, ulcer, gall bladder removal, etc. ). So what Vivek is saying is for long term enjoyment and not sasta enjoyment!