Packout VS Systainer - The Best Tool Storage 

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I disagree. If you use this stuff, you would be lying to not see the difference. Festool is better in every way, hands down.

@@josefsmith1932 might be. Nevertheless, only influencers and kitchen fitters use it.

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I have store them in my office. Blends in well. 😄

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🤣 That's hilarious! They do look like office equipment/ copy machines.

The spend that never ends

Same here. Festool doesn't survive GC crews on site without hawkeye supervision

I do the same. Even with babying the systainers I have had them break on me. Systainers are a sleek design, just not durable for the job site.

Stop being so aggressive aweigh your tools, my pack out microwave and sustainer crockpot have both leasted years

Interesting. Yeah I’ll definitely be happy to report back after more use. So far I’ve been aquiring festool/ systainer over the past two years and it’s been great for us. But we will see!

I'm leaving systainers because I'm tired of pieces breaking off

Fes boxes definitely more fragile. Especially the trim on their vacuums. Fiberglass tape + JBWeld is good, but definitely annoying to have to repair

How aggresive you guys throw systainers around?

& the biggest reason for me is they break so easy . Expensive to replace

I sort of go back a forth, my everyday setup seems to work better on packout. Neither setup is outright better at all though

Why on earth do you have individual boxes for every tool? I agree, that WOULD take up a ton of space, but I don't see any reason to actually do it. Personally, My systainer collection is modest, but I have multiple tools in every box except my sander, and that's because neither the sander or the box belongs to me . I also picked systainer largely because they are vastly more space efficient than packout (there was a spreadsheet on the festool owner's group forum that I won't link here as I think youtube looks unkindly on external links). I also don't load and unload the tools. Because the boxes are so light, I just carry entire stacks into the jobsite. And access the tools while the boxes are stacked. (a T-loc I, the smallest T loc, is under 3 pounds. When I show up on the jobsite, I am not carrying one tool. I am carrying, in 1 hand, 60+ lbs of tools. I really don't get how people think Systainers are supposed to work. Every time I see people who are not me using them, I think "what are you DOING?" Why would you spend all this money for premium tool cases and then not actually fill them up? But as the other guy says, yes. They are fragile. I will give them that. They ain't free, and they are NOT apprentice proof, at all.

There is being a tool junky, and then there is being obsessed with overpriced plastic boxes. Those plastic boxes are a fashion, a bit like shoes are for girls.

@@kiwigrunt330 I agree but I don't wear red pumps either

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I am the same way as him. Gotta keep it clean

Definitely. I love my little hikoki blower that's the size of a drill. I had no idea how useful it would become

Same for a lot of professionnal makers and diy makers …. One you go festool never you comeback loooool

I hired my new guy hes got ocd, my barely used mini blower quickly became his favorite tool lol

It's not Festool it's Festool 😂

On my 2 drawer packout I've cut the bottom out of the top drawer and fixed the 2 drawers together to make one big drawer. That really is a game changer being able to fit a circular saw (and much more) in a drawer.

Systainer T-locs, and systainer III's (not the old gen I stuff), can be opened and accessed while stacked. I do it all day every day. I will go weeks without unstacking my primary boxes (the two stacks I have all my most used tools in). You just open the box you want, which locks the lid to the box above it, then you lean the stack backward (I do this against my body, so I don't have to hold it and it makes sure I can't slip and let stuff fall), and then you just bend over and pull all the tools you want out. I will run all day with my roughly 30-36 inch high stacks (the limiting factor on the stacks is how high they can be while I can still walk them up and down stairs and over uneven terrain without hitting the boxes against the ground). I have never had any need to unstack them. Also, they are VASTLY lighter than drawers. That is the killer for me. How heavy drawers are. A T-loc I is under 3 pounds. 3 of them stacked on top of each other are under 9. The 3 drawer packout unit is 22.5 pounds. And that's only about 14-15 inches of stack. If you scale that up to a reasonable amount of storage space (say, a 30 inch high stack), you would be looking at 45 pounds EMPTY. 30 inches of T-loc I's Is probably under 20 pounds. And they get lighter as the boxes get bigger. 2 T loc V's stacked on top of each other are about 11.5lbs, and that is over 30 inches.

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The plastic is not cheap, it is very durable and you tend to treat it nicely because of the money that you spent on it.

You can be as careful as you want until the handle wears out and you have a systainer in someone's driveway with the corner crushed It is thin abs brittle plastic

I’ve been going between the Milwaukee and the Macpac . I recently got a Makita track saw and I’m looking for a better way to organize my home shop and I looked at some of the containers with drawers and was pretty impressed. Where do you typically buy yours? I found them to be relatively hard to find.

You may or may not know, but Makpacs are made by the same company (TANOS), and are compatible with systainer--they clip onto the bottom of new systainers just fine, because they have retained backwards compatibility with the older systainers.

me too! they are at a decent price point , look nice, not too bulky and well made. personally I do not mind having a broad mix of tools. My battery tools I like to keep to just two brands but everything else....yeah whatever I like I like!

Could not agree I‘m from germany and almost all carpenters here use festool exclusively and beat the shit out of the systainers including myself they‘re way more tough then they look

@@breyghtonfilms4058 I Disagree. I have them, and I use them daily, and I would say they are about exactly as tough as they look. Which is to say, I have broken one before, I have co workers with broken boxes, I stock spare parts for boxes. They are not miraculous. They can be broken.

Haha I slowly acquired this stuff over the past couple years by saving and meetings with the wife 😂

😂well I will definitely change my tune if they start cracking on me. But so far so good for us!

Kizen fence system. Richard has a dope custom Makita color.

His shop Makita miter saw with lift off factory fences had me make changes to the KIZEN Miter Fence. Version 2 The t- slot across the back and now V3 with replaceable plastic tips for zero fence clearance when needed

That was years ago. I found after trying festool I actually like them now.

I use to use festool but honestly it's just overpriced the systainers are not worth the money they last me couple days on site. They are great if you keep them in workshop or if you do like house fit but site job is big No for me

It's good for clicks. Keep the YT paycheck rolling.

Respectfully, I think you may have missed the point a little. The thing is, Richard has shown us over the years that he has developed into a master craftsman who produces excellent quality work. With that work (and I assume the assistance of RU-vid), word has spread, customer enquiries have increased, and with it the workload. Therefore demand increases hence labour rates increase, improving cashflow into the business. With that increased cashflow he has managed to fund higher quality tools that work much better for HIS situation and actually improve his productivity AND efficiency which both help to increase profit. I say good on him, it's great business sense. I certainly could never afford to kit out like he has but if I could I definitely would. Think of it this way - the more money he and Ashley make, the more they can afford to do cool stuff to their house, the more videos they make of Richard doing that stuff, the more really helpful, informative and educational videos we have the pleasure of watching.

I haven’t had that problem yet but I will report back if that starts happening.

@@FinishCarpentryTV The systainer I have for the TS55bfoke when it dropped from the van. now it struggles to click in, plus the lid broke because someone tried to use it as a stool.

😂 I line for miter saw/table saw/ inside finished home.

I have not been paid a dime from festool. At least not yet. I’m talking with someone from the company right now to try to work something out since I’ve spent so much on their tools, and I’ll be using a lot of them on the channel now. Will see.

@@FinishCarpentryTV Thank you for your honesty! It means a lot to all of us who have followed you over the years.

@@FinishCarpentryTV fair enough. You’ve spent a fortune but it’s great kit. Pays for itself in the long run. Hope you get a nice deal.

Been on a similar kick in my trailer as well, Packout and systainers… waiting for the new SYS3 sortainers that are already out in Europe as they are designed to work the Bott smart van system. (Which I highly recommend you check out if going all systainer!!!!) Also check out the Dashboard PWS instead of the flimsy MFT3 table, huge improvement from a small American company.