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NOTE FROM TED: While some viewers might find advice provided in this talk to be helpful, please consult a licensed medical professional for pain management. Pain and pain management remain emerging fields of study. TEDx events are independently organized by volunteers. The guidelines we give TEDx organizers are described in more detail here: storage.ted.com/tedx/manuals/t...
It’s estimated that one in five people currently suffer
with a persistent pain condition - whether that’s
related to a long-standing illness, like arthritis, or
a primary pain syndrome like fibromyalgia or migraines. And for many, they feel trapped by their pain. So I’m thrilled to be giving a talk that will
break down some myths around pain and aid people in their recovery.”
Julia graduated from the prestigious AECC in Bournemouth in 2012, having previously gained a degree in Biological Sciences from the University of Warwick. Since then she has achieved additional qualifications in Western Medical Acupuncture and Pain Management. She has treated hundreds of patients - from the very young to the elderly, from office workers to professional athletes. She is a member of the Royal College of Chiropractors, as well as one of their specialist faculties - the Pain Faculty. Julia is regulated by the GCC (03706) and a member of the BCA.
TEDx Talk: The myth about pain
“It’s estimated that one in five people currently suffer
with a persistent pain condition - whether that’s
related to a long-standing illness, like arthritis, or
a primary pain syndrome like fibromyalgia or migraines. And for
many, they feel trapped by their pain. So I’m thrilled to be giving a talk that will break down some myths around pain and aid people in their recovery.” This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

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@leahswitzer
@leahswitzer Год назад
As a health care provider I couldn't love this more! I wish I spoke with as much clarity to my patients but I am trying!
@AlexDelfont
@AlexDelfont 3 года назад
There should be a credit to Dr John Sarno here, he's been talking about this for decades
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
Yes, there's lots of great researchers looking into this, and it was first described back in the 40s by Beecher. But it's still so little known.
@DanielleCrookMusic
@DanielleCrookMusic 2 года назад
Yeah…thanks to him, doctors have dismissed me for four separate chronic pain conditions that had actual causes, and were resolvable, and not just “pain in my brain.” So very thankful for more doctors giving others the green light to dismiss chronic pain patients. 🙄No amount of therapy, meditation, breathwork, lifestyle changes, physical therapy, and emotional processing can help you overcome pain without finding the root cause. Doctors refusing to look for it and insisting you just have a “pain problem” is a travesty.
@eoghanart6439
@eoghanart6439 Год назад
@@DanielleCrookMusic well said. I was dismissed for decades while having a broken facet joint. This lecture gives ammunition to doctors to dismiss the dangers. When eventually I was diagnosed I had medics all around me asking how I had survived and why I did nothing about it sooner. Take it seriously and listen to the patient is my advice!
@elizabethmcleod246
@elizabethmcleod246 Месяц назад
@@DanielleCrookMusicThat’s exactly the problem. Doctors don’t listen to their patients anymore. They don’t examine the patient and they don’t do a proper differential diagnosis. Way too many people who have genuine acute body pain are being brushed off as having a mental health imbalance. It’s far easier to just prescribe medications when in fact their are other diagnostic treatments that could help to determine the patients real diagnosis. It’s appalling the number of people being left in acute pain and not getting proper medical care. Many people die and a very large proportion of these people end up disabled from incompetent and negligent care.
@mohammadbaghdad2640
@mohammadbaghdad2640 Год назад
I have been crying for 30 minutes for my neck and back pain.. Now I feel your words deep in my soul. I feel better now thank you so much ♥️
@stoner2055
@stoner2055 Год назад
I’m right there with you brother , been bedridden a couple years ! I’m not sure how to pull myself out of neck/ back pain !!! Lost hope a million times Over , keep picking myself up and fighting 🙏
@mohammadbaghdad2640
@mohammadbaghdad2640 Год назад
@@stoner2055 Thank you brother 🙏🏻
@paulacohen-taylory
@paulacohen-taylory 4 года назад
Love this talk Julia, this makes so much sense!
@prabchandhok
@prabchandhok 4 года назад
Great talk and material for those individuals suffering and practitioners alike. Thanks Julia, great communicator.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
Thank you
@AcornHealthUK
@AcornHealthUK 4 года назад
Fantastic and such an important message- well done Julia!
@Attend2healthUk
@Attend2healthUk 4 года назад
Fantastic talk and great message.
@jbisntme
@jbisntme 3 года назад
I agree that pain is in the brain. BUT , it originates from somewhere in our body. This woman has no idea how damaging her talk is to someone who will now go out and do something that can possibly make their pain much worse.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
Thank you for watching my talk. Pain always originates from the brain, but it can be influenced by inputs from the body. Lorimer Moseley did an excellent Tedx Adelaide talk on this if you're interested in investigating further.
@dantesinferno1258
@dantesinferno1258 Год назад
@@OfEdenEast so if a, say, POW is tortured and beaten, it’s all in the brain?
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast Год назад
@@dantesinferno1258 The resulting tissue damage is one of many inputs into the brain which contributes to the experience of pain. Pain is the resulting experience, not the signals coming from the body (which are known as nociception). In many traumatic circumstances, the body and the brain will sometimes dissociate so the person doesn't feel pain in that moment, but processes those experiences later. Check out Lorimer Moseley's TedX Adelaide talk - he has some great examples of situations like that. Also, Dr Month Lymon's book "The Painful Truth" or any of the recent BBC documentaries on pain, which feature some of my colleagues in pain management.
@celestpereira2653
@celestpereira2653 2 года назад
Super good! I love this lecture!
@mandscooper
@mandscooper 4 года назад
Wonderful succinct summary of the state of understanding of pain that exists in the Research world and is slowly making its way in to the hearts and minds of practitioners. Its too slow for many however, who are still told daily that specific structures in their spines are the sole cause of their pain which can set them up for long term pain. The missing link here is understanding pain without judging, and support to tackle all the contributing factors to a pain experience.
@curiouskitty7972
@curiouskitty7972 4 года назад
The only way to understand chronic pain is to experience it. Practitioners can't be bothered because it's too time consuming and complicated. Pills and exercises are often ineffective
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
@@curiouskitty7972 I think you're right in many respects. There's a difference between understanding the mechanism and understanding the experience. Doctors are capable of some degree of empathy but your experience will be unique to you. But a pain specialist should be able to help their patients even if they are not in pain, the same way an oncologist can treat cancer even if they don't have it themselves.
@weewee2701
@weewee2701 Год назад
@@OfEdenEast excellent point
@cassettepat
@cassettepat Год назад
Incredible talk 👏 we are fundamentally strong
@anut32
@anut32 4 года назад
Very good talk and amazing presentation
@andreaarancibia9607
@andreaarancibia9607 10 месяцев назад
Fantastico, liberador y ojala mas personas cambiaran paradigmas y se liberaran del miedo para poder recuperar la libertad. Gracias
@helenstrother801
@helenstrother801 4 года назад
One of the highlights of the first TEDxNorthwich - exceptional content and so brilliantly delivered.
@vijaygowda6786
@vijaygowda6786 2 года назад
Motion in Lotion ! I will remember that for a long time .. Brilliant lecture … Thanks a ton .. Hope this one helps my wife..
@meghanlawrence7766
@meghanlawrence7766 3 года назад
I understand where she is coming from but there are some pains that should not be ignored.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
No pain should be ignored, just properly understood
@DanielleCrookMusic
@DanielleCrookMusic 2 года назад
@@OfEdenEast hard to do when doctors and practitioners subscribe to this ideology and that of dr. Sarno and believe ALL chronic pain comes from the mind. The promulgation of these theories gives overworked doctors an excuse to continue to dismiss difficult to treat patients with chronic issues; instead of actually thoughtfully considering possible mechanical root causes.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 2 года назад
@@DanielleCrookMusic It's true there are clinicians who see chronic pain as a purely psychological condition, but there are many more (I think) who still practice on a purely biomedical model - that all pain has a single mechanical/structural cause and if you can fix it with surgery or turn it off with painkillers that will solve the problem entirely. Both of those approaches are at extreme ends of a spectrum and the truth about pain is more complex and nuanced than this. Many things contribute to an experience of pain, and it's very rarely purely mechanical or purely psychological.
@elizabethmcleod246
@elizabethmcleod246 Месяц назад
@@OfEdenEastMy nerve compression injury was purely mechanical and I needed stat nerve blocks and surgery. No doctor would help me where I live. ( Vancouver ) Lack of proper care almost killed me and left me disabled.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast Месяц назад
@elizabethmcleod246 I'm sorry to hear of your experience, that sounds very difficult indeed. Pain can have mechanical components like nerve compression injuries, but the complete experience of pain usually has multiple components. The risk woth seeing pain as purely mechanical or purely psychological is that you miss out on important interventions that could help. It's important to consider everything that contributes to pain in order to get the best results for recovery.
@amnamumtaz2301
@amnamumtaz2301 4 года назад
Well said
@curiouskitty7972
@curiouskitty7972 4 года назад
Chronic pain is damaging my brain... It interferes with my thoughts and memory... No amount of exercise is helping. I am very flexible but every week my walking distance is decreasing. I feel like I am going insane or developing dementia. I cannot even focus on a conversation when my pain levels are above 7 and I used to be very eloquent. I am not on any opioids. Can the pain signals totally take over the brain because that's how I feel
@giftchiposipho8967
@giftchiposipho8967 4 года назад
Patricia Crawford. I was trying to figure that out about two hours before i watched this clip.I assume any kind of chronic pain does affects our mental health as well. It causes diseases and disease causes discomfort and throws our bodies and minds into disarray.I am not a doctor at all but i think some chronic pain can be treated by the so called mental health medication such as kitomine.Why because the brain area that affects our emotional pain is the same that affects our phsical pain.
@brooklodge3649
@brooklodge3649 4 года назад
Patricia Crawford perhaps look into reading John Sarnos books on the mind and chronic pain, you may find help there
@curiouskitty7972
@curiouskitty7972 4 года назад
@@brooklodge3649 thanks for the recommendation! I found even more than i was looking for. I really appreciate your taking the time to recommend this
@joannapye7139
@joannapye7139 3 года назад
Patricia if you are very flexible with pain, I recommend researching Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Just a thought.
@curiouskitty7972
@curiouskitty7972 3 года назад
@@joannapye7139 thank you so much. I will indeed!
@lowbacksolutions
@lowbacksolutions 2 года назад
I would agree with this if it wasn’t so easy to treat pain based on the tissue damage. Tissue damage can be a direct relationship with pain. And if you stop the consistent tissue damage you can stop the pain. Spinal decompression has worked wonders for people with back pain and it can be done by just doing pull ups or hanging from a bar.
@rebeccahforbes6884
@rebeccahforbes6884 3 года назад
This woman has absolutely no idea what it’s like to live with chronic 10/10 pain. You’re not going to “think” your way out of that!
@rodrigopina5372
@rodrigopina5372 3 года назад
I understood you, but what she meas was the physical pain is real, but others factors contribute with its persistence. You don't have to think your pain is from your head.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
I wasn't specifically saying people should think their way out of pain. More that a fuller understanding of how the pain experience works can help in managing it.
@missladybug319
@missladybug319 5 месяцев назад
I hope she never get arthritis.
@mem1701movies
@mem1701movies 2 месяца назад
@@OfEdenEastpeople don’t know until they go through it. It’s like having a toothache that won’t go away.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 2 месяца назад
@mem1701movies I know something of that. I've been managing a migraine syndrome since my teens, and now I work with people who live with persistent pain. I did the TedX talk because I think misconceptions about pain add to the suffering, because people feel disbelieved and invalidated.
@edgreen8140
@edgreen8140 3 года назад
Cingulate gyrus in the brain. Facet joint, cervical spondylitic myelopathy and lumbar stenosis.
@suzettesaxton2264
@suzettesaxton2264 3 года назад
How I wish it were this simple!
@RaphaWasHere
@RaphaWasHere 3 года назад
It it's i'm almost our of 7 years of cronic symptoms due tl this concept
@spencerwolverton8482
@spencerwolverton8482 3 года назад
@@RaphaWasHere I’d like to hear you experience and perspective, mind sharing here or in a DM?
@RaphaWasHere
@RaphaWasHere 3 года назад
@@spencerwolverton8482 ofcourse You can write me if You want to i'll be glad to talk
@humblethegreat5431
@humblethegreat5431 2 года назад
How?
@MukeshKumar-jo3jl
@MukeshKumar-jo3jl 2 года назад
@@humblethegreat5431 So if I were to state as an example. Someone's legs ache only after 10 mins of walking or standing. But feel no pain when seated. How exactly can that be in the mind?
@carlosangulo11
@carlosangulo11 3 месяца назад
111 Wow!! Great video information!! Thank you so much 💪👏🫶👌🙏🏻🙏🏻Unconditional love to all ❤️ ♾️ 🌌
@saman.akhgar
@saman.akhgar 4 года назад
Amazing insight. Quite sure that "trust" is not something that the big pharma wants us to have. Thank you.
@mld187
@mld187 9 месяцев назад
Yes I believe you Julia but the belief that my pain is in my head doesn't take it away. How do I get rid of the pain?
@RICKYDENNIS49
@RICKYDENNIS49 Месяц назад
Very sad that there is no answers to your comment. I wish that it was this simple. Did you get an answer to your question from any other source ? I understand the principle of the talk. But how ?
@kelviannaepperson3677
@kelviannaepperson3677 3 года назад
But I have cerebral palsy and when I go to the doctor and hearing from others with this there is nothing physically wrong
@tiagociriaco7380
@tiagociriaco7380 2 года назад
Pain is "pressure" produced by excess of heat. HEAT causes dilatation of cells and consequent pressure. The head is a solid block that cannot expand much, so the pain implodes and becomes unbearable.
@mrsamuel7530
@mrsamuel7530 3 года назад
Pain does not equal damage , Motion is lotion .Nice
@eoghanart6439
@eoghanart6439 Год назад
If, like me, you have had Traumatic back injury, then please do prioritise good posture, protection etc. Her advice is only for the healthy body. Our own brains use pain to protect us after time this does get out of control. But I think she is dangerously dismissive of the weakness in an injured spine!!
@enaudeni
@enaudeni 4 года назад
Good talk and nicely presented. For the individual this could be vastly misinterpreted, what is lacking here is far too many asterisks. Yes I did enjoy it, but there was far too much of a generalization, too much was left. My colleague used to run a marathon here and there etc.. now suffers from sciatica he can now only dream of a fun run let alone run a marathon without been in agony. I am not sure how this would interpret to him?
@ulib.5445
@ulib.5445 3 года назад
True, too much generalization but we can embrace the idea and add it to the many other reasons of pain.
@Lalalalalelo
@Lalalalalelo 3 года назад
Ask your friend to see a chiropractor immediately
@Lalalalalelo
@Lalalalalelo 3 года назад
Of cause one with good reviews
@johnnybgood1169
@johnnybgood1169 3 года назад
I would strongly recommend your colleague research the work of the late John Sarno, M.D. As an avid recreational athlete with a history of pain issues, his books and videos have helped me tremendously. Cheers!
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
Yes, it was really hard to include everything I wanted in 11minutes, and inevitably some of the details and nuance got left out. But I hope your friend would view this talk and a) not feel judged or like a failure b) understand that lots of things could be contributing to his pain which he may not have considered before c) seek further information from trusted sources. Best of luck to him! 🙂
@katherineraina7344
@katherineraina7344 3 года назад
I did not used to have chronic pain, and now i do and it is not because of anything a doctor said.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
Many things contribute to an experience of pain, not always just the language used by doctors. But I mention it specifically because I get fed up when people in my own profession use overly terrifying language.
@gizanglyer5299
@gizanglyer5299 2 года назад
@@OfEdenEast hi I have had chronic headaches for 3+ years and no doctor or medication has helped. What should I do to heal my brain with the info from ur Ted talk?
@mem1701movies
@mem1701movies 2 месяца назад
@@gizanglyer5299she really answered that
@plate.armour_0996
@plate.armour_0996 Год назад
humanity must disable pain + other unpleasant sensations forever!
@missladybug319
@missladybug319 5 месяцев назад
Next time my fire alarm goes of or I smell smoke Ill pretend its all in my head.. 😮
@johnathanabrams8434
@johnathanabrams8434 Год назад
Myofascial trigger points are the most common symptom of persistent pain. The most common.
@Volvo5200
@Volvo5200 6 месяцев назад
Agreed.... You're working on it
@elizabethmcleod246
@elizabethmcleod246 Месяц назад
I disagree. I think nerve damage is the most common injury and due to scans not being able to visualize the damage people with neuropathy are brushed off and deemed having a mental health issue. NOT!
@sudhasudha652
@sudhasudha652 Год назад
Those who r respecting my pain,brain tarcher,I'll respect those people in my life,no relation friend is enough
@inception252
@inception252 4 года назад
done watching this video? then watch LUCY played by scarlett johanson its mind blowing
@suzi-ml8ep
@suzi-ml8ep 3 года назад
what about pain caused by muscle imbalances/ overuse to bad alignment? like chronic muscle spasm and pain, numbness? Can chronic pain be caused by poor body compensations and altered biomechanics? Like overloading an area or using a joint in a way that it is not supposed to...? Does that mean pain should be ignored? Sometimes the pain seems like it is responding to something reasonable and that there is a root cause that needs to be addressed.... ? And sometimes when I don't feel that anxious the pain flares..? It also feels that the more physical activity I do, the worse the pain feels...? Is choosing the right kind of movement important?
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
Thabk you for your questions. There's looooads to discuss in this comment but the (very very) short answer is that pain is very rarely just one or the other, ie it's not purely physical or purely psychological. The Brain and the body are always working together and they do in pain production too. For a fuller answer I can recommend Dr Deepak Ravindran's book "The Pain Free Mindset"
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
And pain should never be ignored, just fully understood
@deemajerowska625
@deemajerowska625 4 года назад
TEDx i love you but how are you gonna post a talk about disability without captions 🥴
@katherinegomez1433
@katherinegomez1433 2 года назад
Wild.
@edwinaastley6421
@edwinaastley6421 2 года назад
Spot on Julia. Then go get The MindBody Prescription by Dr Sarno and The Way Out by Alan Gordon and Alon Ziv which will take you to the cure
@stanisawszwarc2816
@stanisawszwarc2816 4 года назад
Really hoped for some data/research this talk was based on...
@tammyrobinson1613
@tammyrobinson1613 3 года назад
Look up Dr Sarno
@ViagensGringa
@ViagensGringa 3 года назад
also Lorimer Moseley
@johnnybgood1169
@johnnybgood1169 3 года назад
Also google "central sensitization syndrome"
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
It was mostly based on the work of Lorimer Moseley and Peter O'Sullivan, both based in Australia. Lorimer has actually given his own Tedx Talk on a similar topic which is worth a watch.
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 2 года назад
@@tammyrobinson1613 I didn't base this on Dr Sarno's work
@pt4027
@pt4027 10 месяцев назад
❤❤
@saksurvival9272
@saksurvival9272 3 года назад
Lol a woman who clearly has never had chronic migraine or back pain. Love people like this it’s like me saying hey aids isn’t hard to live with 🙄
@davisholman6518
@davisholman6518 3 года назад
I am lying down here, after going for a walk with my grandsons. I have desiccated discs - all of them except 3 actually, scoliosis, & have lost 2 inches of height. But I have experienced my brain stopping my severe chronic pain several times - so I know emotions certainly do have something to do with back pain. My child had a twin pregnancy with many serious complications - I was by her side during the whole experience and can tell you - my brain knew I HAD TO BE 100% THERE FOR HER and lessened the pain signals significantly. Helping her care for her micro preemie little miracles was another time my chronic pain was lessened - either as an answer to prayer or a brain that knew I was needed by my precious girls so badly. There have been times it has gotten much worse when I did not want to face a problem that I had little control over too. I wish I had a step but step way to use the things she shared in her TED talk - that would work on us all with chronic pain. It is not something I would wish on any one...
@OfEdenEast
@OfEdenEast 3 года назад
That's an interesting assumption you've made there. What makes you think I've never had either of those conditions? (As it happens, I have)
@jmhereford
@jmhereford 3 года назад
I have chronic pain and have had debilitating migraines in the past and I am not interpreting her talk the same way. I found it empowering. My pain comes from tissue damage from multiple surgeries , nerve injury , complex regional pain syndrome and inflammatory and osteoarthritis. I’m in my 50 s and trying to figure out how to fix as well as live with this. Pain is very real but it is a signal interpreted by our brains. It really is. If your brain doesn’t work right you won’t feel any pain. Often time people with chronic pain see the painful body part as bad. She is saying that we can trick our brains and influence the interpretation. That doesn’t mean the pain will be gone necessarily but this perspective can empower us to work with our brains to decrease fear, feelings of helplessness and negative body thoughts. Bad days are still bad days. There is not one thing to help chronic pain so why not try everything? I hope you find comfort for your pain. This is what I believe people think “You’re pain is interesting but my pain hurts “. She is looking at it from the “interesting” perspective and I think talking to health professionals.
@timkruse9912
@timkruse9912 4 года назад
This is so me lol
@patientzeroxyz7058
@patientzeroxyz7058 3 года назад
good thing laurent kept dancing after he hurt his knee.....you dont know what Im talking about
@christiansowa2345
@christiansowa2345 2 месяца назад
did not work for me and the threshold of pain was not discussed, I feel that this speech is wrong
@nitakhambalkar6560
@nitakhambalkar6560 3 года назад
Can any one tell me how to stop migraine
@RaphaWasHere
@RaphaWasHere 3 года назад
Look for TMS by doctor Jhon sarno and read his books
@DanielleCrookMusic
@DanielleCrookMusic 2 года назад
Mine were caused by the high estrogen birth control pill. There is research on this. Also can be triggered by rapid blood pressure changes. Getting off the pill reduced the frequency and severity of mine by 90%. I can usually prevent them now just with myofascial trigger point release but if they take hold anyway imitrex can help.
@zes3813
@zes3813 Год назад
no such thing as trap or feel tx about it
@edwarddunlap7344
@edwarddunlap7344 3 года назад
have you noticed, DOCTORS ,won't touch this ! WHY ? thats what they do ,what their trained for , this is B S !
@coolcreamykiwi
@coolcreamykiwi Год назад
Notice she throws "not always" in to protect her for good legal measure, but walks off so proud having caused untold harm to folks with serious injury. She mistakes applause and adulation for good science... they have been saying this same pain is in your brain b.s. for decades, captain obvious here is loved by big business giving ammunition to force people back to the same job thst likely gave them pain....
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