Thank you Trenton and Heath for confirming what I also tell my clients who own exclusively patina shoes that I make for them. I'll show them this video for reference! Great day to you guys!
One thing we didn’t show in the video is that you CAN add wax to these shoes. This particular customer didn’t want wax. Again, just be careful if you’re using colored waxes.
@@TrentonHeath buy a pair of shoes on Ebay, completely resole redye, full restore. Go for some uncommon colors, interesting combinations....etc Having fun basically!
Hey guys sorry i asked before and just wanted to know what do you guys use as a polishing rag to put in the shoe cream and all? Will an old t shirt work ok? 100 percent cotton of course. Or does it have to be a dress shirt or buttoned shirt?
Wonderful tutorial! My process of cleaning and restoring patina shoes has never really consisted of using the soap, but it seems to be very gentle and did not affect the patina. I will try this out on a pair and see how they fair! Thanks for the tip!! I also prefer to start with an application of Saphir Universelle creme, and then depending on how dry the leather is perhaps some renovateur. It is much lighter and for patina shoes doesnt really remove so much color like renovateur can. Also, having the lasted shoe trees(or any shoe trees) in the shoes to help support the leather while i smooth those creases, and if you are going to do a glacage ( mirror shine) it helps to have the shoe trees for the support while you are polishing. Thanks for taking time to make the video, really nice work!
Immanuel C Glad you enjoyed! Very good points. We appreciate you sharing, as we always enjoy hearing from others about their shine routines. We’ll often use shoe trees in the shoes as well when polishing. It does help. Check out a couple of our other shine videos where we used shoe trees in them.
@@rupaal depends on what you're attempting to achieve. Saphir mink oil is great for extremely dry leather. But it is slightly greasy but I have been able to attain a shine after its use.
I noticed that you used a horsehair brush throughout. Many Japanese shiners like to use pig bristle to buff off the color cream, saying that helps to work it into the leather. Same wipe-down after to improve wax performance later too. They often use high-grit sanding film on sole edges to smooth scuffs and dents...and to improve shine quality. Thoughts on this? Impressive work BTW. Enjoying the channel...
Really love the channel. Learning alot about construction and re-soling from your vids. I do have two objections to this video though: 1: why not use shoe trees? Wetting the shoes, even if brief, makes the leather contract when drying . This leads to an exacerbation of the creasing if not using shoe trees. 2: The dye is penetrating and should stand up to both pommadier and MDO wax. I would fill in the patina with black and Hermes red. Why not fill in the patina? The amount of terpentine in the neutral pommadier and coloured ones is the same.
I'd hold on to it. It just depends on how soiled the leather gets. There are times when I use saddle soap. Leather soap is good for when the shoe just needs a slight cleaning before shining. SS comes in handy after an outdoor event and they got heavily soiled.
Why dont you use a shoe tree while polishing the shoes? The creases on the front still remain the same. Not using shoe tree is it intentional? Thank you
Pretty sure they do it because they like to put their hand in the shoe to hold it when polishing. I started doing it recently and it does make it easier so thats my guess
Great vid guys, keep the great content coming. This helped me because I have a pair of shoes with a great painted petina. Also, I liked the Burluti shoes so I used the Google machine to check them out. I COULDN'T GET ON THEIR WEBSITE!!!! Come to find out, they must have checked my bank account and realized my account has insufficient funds to purchase a shoe lace (one) off their site LOL
M. P. The fact that they charge $900 just for a freaking sneaker would make me not want to buy from them even if I was rich. I’d just stick with the Allen Edmonds.
Nice work pretty ease my to understand keep those tutorials I have one question on a new pair of shoes what products are the best to shine or polish before the first wear thanks
abrahan sosa chavez When I get a new pair of leather shoes, the first thing I do is apply a good conditioner to the shoes. The leather on that shoe usually isn’t conditioned by the manufacturer, so it may have sat there or in the store for months. Next, I would apply 1-2 coats of wax to the shoes in order to provide some protection to the leather. **Side note: if you want to apply some shoe cream after the conditioner, you can. It’s personal preference. Hope that helps.
hello, your method is very good. Olga Berluti proceeds quite differently, let me explain. a baring (cleaning of old layers) with neutral wax. Then close the pores with yellow wax. finally apply the color of the shoe polish, accompanied by a few drops of water… Massage the leather well…. Good for you. I am a Frenchman from the Côte d'Azur😉.
I just posted a similar message. I am surprised they don't ever advise to use conditionner or shoe cream since wax does very few to nourish the leather. Applying wax over wax again and again, maybe it is part of the reasons why Berluti souliers show wrinkles so early.
You guys must have a lot of very rich clients from in and around the Nashville area ... 7 or 8 pairs of Berlutti shoes, and normally just sends them off to NYC to be cleaned and polished ?!
Jeff Walker Thanks...glad you enjoyed! Most of the products we use are also sold on our website www.potterandsons.com. If you have any questions regarding anything, please let us know.
There is a tutorial video online from Olga Berluti where she show how to take care of Berluti shoes. She seems to only use shoe polish (wax), and no cream, in order to nourish that Venezia leather. There is also a video from a Berluti boutique where the shoes are taken care of the very same way, without cream. One more thing, Olga insisted on the fact that we should put a lot of force/pressure on the leather.
In one of your other videos," 4 things to do with a new pair of shoes", you warned against using Saphir Renovateur on burnished, or patina shoes as the solvents in it could mess up the finish ... so what gives here?
@@JayandSarah I often use Creme Essentielle which supposed to be equivalent to Creme Universelle. I think Renovateur should be used once a year or on very dry leather. Colored cream and Creme Uni should be enough for regular polish.
Great tutorial. I also have a pair of Berluti loafers, they look pretty much the same, mine just have reverse stiching if that makes sense. How often would you say to use the leather soap ? Before every polishing or only if the shoes are dirty? I have the Saphir saddle soap, but ill pick up some leather soap (never knew there was even a difference).
Nick De Bruin Glad you enjoyed! No, you definitely don’t need it before every shine...just every now and then or if they’re dirty. Both soaps would work. The leather soap is just milder and has more conditioning agents than the saddle soap. 👍🏻
Question: I have a pair of Paul Evan's NY Cagney II in tobacco. I wore them once, and wanted to cate for them so I used Saphir renovateur on them. I stopped after I saw that 50% of the patina was removed. Vender said that the renovateur removes hand patina and they refuse to do anything about it. Spoke to the guys at the hanger project as well as multiple different cobblers that say that the renovateur should not be removing patina at all and that it is issues with the finish. Any thoughts or advise? I can send pictures if that helps.
chris Stagg Thanks for your question. That’s very odd. I agree with the Hanger Project and the other cobblers. Renovateur is a very gentle conditioner, so it definitely should not have removed any hand painted patina. We use Renovateur on a lot of hand painted patina shoes, including these, and it didn’t do anything harmful. If you had said you used Saphir RenoMat, I would have been worried, but the Renovateur shouldn’t have caused that.
i dont have a paul evan's shoes. but i suspect the patina on your shoe was made with shoe cream and not leather dye. a patina with shoe cream is not permanent but less punishing if you made a mistake.
MH J Great point! I’m not sure why an expensive pair of shoes like Paul Evans would patina their shoes with cream, but that’s definitely a possibility. Definitely agree that if this is what was done, Renovateur could have messed with those cream finishes.
@@TrentonHeath I found it common to see the conditioning cream bringing some color out of the shoes. But not really enough to make a difference in the appearance. "50% of the patina was removed" is very odd.
I had a pair of their double monks and same thing happened. Saphir washed away the color on the shoes like Bleach does to a pair of tshirt. And the leather creased worse than my $200 Magnanni (which I love and still wear). I had to sent my pair to a patina artist to completely strip and re-dye that double monks. That was the first pair and also the last pair of PE that I paid for. For $425 and 4 months of waiting, plus the scarcity and headache to deal with. Bring that money and buy a pair of Cobbler Union or Jfitzpatrick will save you a lot of time and money.
DEN3366 You can buff off the cream, once it’s dried, with a cloth or brush. I just think a brush does better and makes it much easier. We prefer to use the cloth after we’re done in order to remove any excess pigment and to bring out a nice shine.
I've put saphir black cream on a really subtle black navy painted patina shoes....now they're just regular black wholecuts 😞 Is there a way to bring them back or i will just end up removing the dye aswell? Thinking about using renomat but i fear i might worsen the problem and ruin the shoes even more...
Question: I recently purchased MDO shoe cream and I previously polished with Kiwi wax. Is it okay to go straight into using the MDO cream polish for my future polishes on this shoe or do you recommend I strip the wax polish with Renomat prior to applying the cream polish in order to allow the cream polish to actually absorb into the leather? Thanks in advance!
Hi, Colby! Glad to see you made the switch. 😉 Yes, in order for your shoes to get the full benefits of the MDO, I would strip all of the old wax off of your shoes. If you’re using the Reno Mat, just make sure that you test it on a hidden area of your shoe first. I’m not sure what type of leather you have, and I don’t want you to strip off any patina finishes. If you have any other questions, let us know.
Colby Pearce E-mail us picture of your shoes so that we can take a look at the leather, and we’ll give you our best recommendation. Customerservice@potterandsons.com
Is this the same regimen you would recommend for a pair of Magnanni shoes with heavy patina? Leather soap then Renovateur and then neutral polish? I thought Renovateur could strip the Patina finish?
yes it does, use shoe cream instead or use it with extreme care (test it on invisible part first, then use a very thin layer before adding more to avoid stains, last advice is to do large gesture without much pressure, it might take only seconds before it stains or remove color if too much is left at the same spot). I would only use Renovateur once a year or when the leather is very dry.
Ben Heinatz Hi! For a basic shine (clean/shoe cream) we charge $10-$15, depending upon the products they want us to use. Saphir products are $15. We have more detailed shine packages that are $20-$50 depending. $50 is for a full strip down and spa treatment for your shoes.
If I were you I would only scrub one shoe at a time, then wipe. I don't think it's a good idea to have a shoe covered in soap sitting waiting for you to finish the other shoe before wiping off. BTW that's Avel leather soap, not "Saphir". I'm pretty sure someone has pointed that out by now, tho'.
Do you think the sperry topsider leather slip on’s are a decent shoe? They run about $100. I have a pair that I never broke in and forgot about that I’ve dug out to use as my everyday slip on shoes. I also wanted to kinda play around with conditioning the leather and stuff lol. I used the wilsons leather protector spray, that I had for a jacket that got sold a while ago, so far. Also what do you think of coconut oil as a conditioner? I know it darkens leather but does it work ok if someone is alright with the change in color?
Paige 1996 Yes, we like a good pair of Sperry’s topsiders. We both own several ourselves. In regards to conditioning them, it’s really a personal preference. I’ve never used coconut oil on shoes. Many of the Sperry’s are made from raw, unfinished leathers, so there’s a very good chance that conditioning them will darken them some. If you’re okay with that then I say go ahead. I would just be careful that you’re not using any conditioners that will leave behind a sticky or really oily residue. I can imagine coconut oil possibly doing that, but I could be wrong.
It's an American rule. In places like Italy they tend to go more crazy with shoe designs but that's because the people tend to dress more flamboyant with their dress wear. If you know what you're doing then you can obviously pull it off. Problem is most of us don't lol
