Pakistan Lost - Episode 03 - Minority Rights and Pakistan ft. Dr Ishtiaq Ahmad 

I am a sikh myself living in Kashmir from the last 28 years. Give me 1 reason why as a sikh i would want to live in 1947 made Pakistan?? Historically, we have been persecuted by Mughuls. Majority of of our gurudwaras were in India.. The only people you are saying who had their opinion on staying in Pakistan probably would have been living there and would not wanted to leave their lands and move the other side. Ideologically we have always connected more with hindus than we can ever with muslims.

Being a Sikh.. it had to be either our own nation or India. I think Sikhs and Hindus have more cultural and religious similarities than with muslims. It is amazing how Pakistani side always thinks we could have, should have chosen Pakistan. Two hyper sensitive religions would have been each other’s throats all the time. With India at least we have (sort of) our own state and language. So, 100% if not our own nation, then India. Sikh leaders negotiating were not sharpest of tools but at least they knew where did they have better chances to survive and thrive. Biggest downside was, we lost our historical and religious places for the Muslim dream. I think we are better off, being part of a secular nation with troubles rather than being part of Pakistan and slowly getting killed, chases away, converted or leaving to india eventually as refugees..

Being aSikh I’m glad our ancestors chose to be an Indian and migrated to Delhi…cnt imagine being a minority in Pakistan would’ve been hell..

My grandfather was from multan ,though we lost our land and business ,but we are thankful to god we have taken good step to be in india ,waheguru ne mehar krti 🙏🏻

Leave the normal citizens who are not muslims in Pakistan. Your hindu member of Senate, from balochistan awami party, Mr danesh Kumar, is regularly faced with pleas and comments from his fellow members of Senate, to read the Kalma and convert to Islam. Can you think what will happen if a hindu lawmaker in maker in India, says to a fellow MP, who is not hindu (maybe muslim Christian jew jain Buddhist etc), to convert to Hinduism?? I'll tell you, that person would be running around the courts, asked to publicly apologize, and "sar tan se juda" waali naarebaaji hogi. Plz don't assume that I am an Islamophobe. I was at jama masjid, delhi yesterday and accompanied my friend while he broke his fast. Pakistan is an experiment, which has failed miserably.

Funniest thing is "assuming" that Sikhs would have preferred to stay with "Pakistan" or wouldn't have envisioned their "future" in your "Secular country". Sikhs were not stupid. They ruled over Afganistan.

Not generalizing but something I observed during the course of my life, when muslim community is in minority, they’re all up for secularism but when they’re in majority, they’d forget secularism.

Best of luck for your vision for your country .👍 Due to partition we(sikhs) lost the most especially our holy and historical places... But as a Sikh I am grateful that I am the part of India 🇮🇳 (the great ancient civilization).Hope things get better in the future for both countries .🙏

The fact that you were thinking about adding sikhs for ur separate homeland rather than asking secularism in United India says a lot about Pakistani mindset, even if it is hypothetical, its always pakistan and never United India typical divisive mindset of a fellow pakistani

I am glad my ancestors choosed India 🇮🇳 over pakistan 🇵🇰. Otherwise Instead of an well educated astrophysicist I would have been a close minded muslim kid believing Allah blindly without questioning

Using the term Non - Muslims for other faiths by liberal muslims is same as the 'Kafir' term used by Radicals. No Hindu, Sikh & Christian will use Non - Hindu, Non - Sikh or Non - Christian for other faiths. Using The term "There is no god Except Allah" itself is discriminatory and kind of showing disgusting superiority syndrome.

The point that Pakistan did not get resources during partition is flawed. It got best aerated lands in undivided India. The food security was guaranteed.

We are happy living in India connected to our roots. India is our roots. We would never ever have preferred Pakistan artificial country.

I feel Pakistan has institutionalized discrimination in the constitution while India has ensured that our constitution stays secular and does not discriminate based on religion. Everything else is just a effect.

Read about Joseph colony incident. Entire Christian colony was burnt to the ground, and Pakistan foreign minister was releasing statement against Canada because a hijabi girl was reportedly harassed by drunk men at a train station

My nana was from Rawalpindi. His last name was Duggal (as an aside, he told us that there was a whole locality in Rawalpindi named Duggalpura, don't know if it still exists, someone from that side can let me know pls) He told us about the night when the troubles started in Pindi so many times Always with tears in his eyes The horror and the loss of leaving his ancestral home behind, was always too much for him The way he spoke about that part of the world. The stories of summers spent in Murree hills. The various places in and around Rawalpindi described by him My greatest regret in life is that I couldn't take him to visit Rawalpindi before he passed away ☹️

All Indians commenting/viewing have you ever wondered why there's a stark difference between an Indian and a pakistani that is bcoz we were never taught history in this communal way, ever talk to a pakistani his world revolves around 2-3 keywords muslim, islam, haram-halal. So far this teaching has proved good for Indians so don't degrade your intellect with these kind of communal cringe, shocked to see so many Indians commenting.

comparing lynchings in India with what has been happening in Pakistan for ages is comparing apples and oranges. I agree India particularly northern India to some extent can be a violent place at times. But it's not just for muslims It's for everyone. Of course if muslims are involved it takes different colors with media making it centrepiece of the news. Other such incidents don't make such a hue n cry.

The thing is, back then, Hindus and Sikhs came from one family tree, and even now, there have always been Hindu-Sikh marriages, which are common in India. Both are Indian-based cultures and religions. There is no reason why Sikhs would have remained in their current form in Pakistan. Those who became Sikhs were the only sons of Hindus back then, and they protected Hindus largely in the Punjab region.

I am pretty sure wikipedia is still operational in Pakistan, right. As per wiki, Before the partition, according to the 1941 census, Hindus constituted 14.6% of the population in West Pakistan (which is now Pakistan)[a] and 28% of the population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).[12][13][14] So, pakistan has completed genocided Hindus from a land which was rightfully theirs. After that, by what right does Pakistanis even talk about minority rights in India or for that matter, even Israel. What these nations are doing is not be .1% of what muslim nations do to non muslims.

If Sikhs and Muslim supposed to have found a nation ..then it's not a partition of india..it will be like I have political power I will divide this nation...Sikhs stayed in india because we respect every religion I see many Sikh in hindu temple and even I go to gurudwara.... "Deh Shiva Bar Mohe Eha" this line from Sikhism gives me goosebumps whenever I hear it...I apologise if I am misquoting something

Dr Ishtiaq gives a lot of references where Gandhi saved muslims from rioters in India. But did Gandhi do anything to save hindus from rioters in Pakistan? You should ask him when you meet him.

The main problem with Pakistan is that a majority of the ppl who live in that geographical area, have no LOVE for their country. There are two kinds of ppl who love the land, on which is denoted as "Pakistan" on the world atlas. 1. The people who migrated (read: chased out) to India.. Through their stories, they still remember their own ancestral land. They maybe millionaires in India, but if you give them a hypothetical opportunity to trade everything they have in India, for a chance to retire & to live in their ancestral land, they would go immediately. 2. Anti India population who support Pakistan( I am not targeting any religion here..) Similarly, the ppl of Pakistan, fondly remember lucknow, bhopal, Ajmer, jalandhar, delhi, shimla, bombay. They would also immediately trade their current material belongings to cross back.. But the main difference between these two sets of ppl, is that ppl who migrated to India, tried their best to move on, and mostly, had to start from scratch. Ppl who went to Pakistan (after graduation from AMU, till around 1955 - 56), went to get guaranteed jobs, where they wouldn't face competition from non Muslims. During partition, Pakistan burnt DAV UNIVERSITY lahore. It had to be relocated to Indian Punjab. But did India destroy AMU? NO! even though students studying on Indian government's money, betrayed their land and went to Pakistan. This, this is the difference. Jo log, jo kaum munaafik hoti hai, unka yehi hota hai

It’s disrespectful to the minorities in Pakistan to show the news of minorities in India being targeted. There is no comparison between the two. The percentage of Islamic minority in India has increased 7-8% in 1947 to 15% now. This could not have happened if the hatred towards minority in India was even 10% of that in Pakistan.

Even in today's east Punjab, i.e, Haryana, Himachal and Punjab states of India, Hindus are a majority. Even in Punjab, Sikhs form 58% of the population. Sikhs surely wouldn't have given anybody enough votes. But what the Sikhs give you is strength and their experience. The Sikh experience has shaped our Independence movement and hence my nation. They were the writers of my nation's story. Sikhs are not a population heavy community. They are a quality-over-quantity kind of community. One Sikh is equal to a hundred Sikhs. In the past, Hindus and Sikhs were nearly indistinguishable. But the muslims were always different. Hindus had their eldest sons ordained as Sikhs. Even now, many families of Punjabi khatris have Hindus sisters and Sikh brothers. All of them worship Mata-rani and attend the gurudwara. And that is part of the same religion to them. Even the Adi-granth has stories of Durga and Rama. All Punjabi Hindus have a photo of the akal-takht in their shops and homes. Of course, Sikhism is a different religion. It doesn't have idol worship or any havans like Hindus but these are surface level differences. At their core, a Sikh fights for dharma as any other Buddhist, Jain or Hindu would. And all the five main gurudware are in India. We should've gotten kartarpur sahib too. Then, the Sikhs would have their pilgrimages in India. If any of you think that the Khalistani episode is any indication that the Sikhs don't want to be Indians, let me tell you that bhagat Singh, mewa singh, KPS gill and countless others Sikhs have served their homeland. They served their homeland and not just saved Sikhs, but saved countless others too, including muslims.

Shehzad one interesting fact is that Mohammed Ali Jinnah's grandson Nusli Wadia is one of India's richest entrepreneurs. He lives in Mumbai. Jinnah is his maternal grandfather. Nusli Wadia's son Ness is the owner of the IPL franchise Punjab Kings.

Do you realize that Sikhism as a religion is extremely antagonistic to Islam? 😂

The "fear" of Muslim that it would be persecuted in a Hindu Majority India stems from inherent intolerance of Islamic fundamentals - Dar-ul-harb & Dar-ul-Islam - where in muslims are supposed to be 200 % intolerant towards any non-Muslims, in case of a Muslim Majority state. Btw Sikhs never faced any religious persecution from larger Hindu community, but on the contrary Sikhs like Hindus historically faced religious persecution from Islamist rulers like Babur, Jehangir, Aurangzeb etc who are till date " Islamic Heroes " of the Muslims of Indian subcontinent. Even in 1947 The first blood was drawn, first massacres were committed of Sikhs and Hindus of Rawalpindi by the Muslims of the region, which has been proven to have tacit approval of Muslim league as well.

Mentioning your minorities as Non muslims is itself- kind of discrimination.. expected better from you shehzad

Sikhs and Hindus are Iron brothers both being part of Dharmic religions.Jinnah offered blank documents to evereyone that shows the vision he had for running the nation, a man full of hindu hatred and his speeches were alway dubuious could not be trusted. Sikhs suffered first with Rawalpindi massacre. A nation born on hate can never prosper, when my grand grandfather's village was attacked he was given a proposal of converting to Islam as he was the nabardar of 50 villages and retain all his land, he decided against it, what he said was it's better to live as a beggar in India rather than living as a crorepati with Pakistan, his next generation will have to suffer all their lives because of his inability to withstand difficulties as a country born on hate for others can never prosper, and we all know that he was absolutely correct about it.

4:20 every Pakistanis will be Pakistanis demanding seperate homeland for sikhs and muslims still this politics is ingrained in every Pakistani mind

3:11 That's how some people understood it?? Really?? Jinnah, after losing the 1937 election, understood that he needs to turn communal and spread malicious lies about the Congress' hatred and bias towards Muslims of india. Mr Jinnah, in a speech at Aligarh muslim university said, that 2 crore musalmaan ko qurbaani deni hogi, taaki 7 crore ko Pakistan mil sake... You can confirm this from Prof Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed sahaab

How easily he said whole pakistan is a idea for the minority group but the idea is only for particular religion and the same religion never let another religion flourish. Literally this channel making podcast on thing Indians want to listen but nothing is changing in Pakistan and even in this time Pakistan is facing ecomical crises The Pakistani army increase there defence budget, there no wonder Pakistani Army has a country for themselves.

west Pakistan's non Muslim population was not always 3-4 percent. it was 12 percent plus prior to partition. the right thing to say is that the majority of minorities were forced out between 1947 and 1951 during the partition riots. something equivalent did not happen in India.

Your perspective about the Sikhs being a part of Pakistan during partition is erroneous. The idea that a country is being made for Muslims excludes every other faith which is not a Muslim faith. Jinnah was a lawyer who wanted a separate Pakistan as a homeland for Muslims. His proposal to Sikhs to join Pakistan was a clever lawyerly move but completely devoid of the reality on the ground. While Sikhs are not Hindus, I would argue their closeness to Hinduism as compared to Islam is unambiguous. Hindus and Sikhs have historically never been antagonistic cultures. It is only now stupid politicians are inventing that divide. Islam and Sikhism have always been on the opposite side of the battlefield, and the argument that Sikhs could have gone with Pakistan at the time of partition is null and void.

Jinnah was just as much of an opportunist as those you speak of that took advantage of the minorities. He was looking for power & he knew in undivided India he wouldn’t be as big as a figure. Hence the Lahore resolution, direct action day & various other decisions he & Muslim league made to win their argument. This is why after his death the entire Muslim collapsed because he was the entire idea behind Pakistan

We in 🇮🇳 call Hindus ...Hindus Muslims ...Muslims ... Sikhs ...Sikhs and so on ... To give their religion due respect and identity just like we crave for ours ... Ye bat jis din samjh a jaegi ...Pakistan ki kismat badal jaegi ... So called intellectual Podcasters of Pakistan are also so backward in their approach to see the world and other community that it is shocking...

Glad that India was partitioned or else we wouldn't have reached where we have reached today, though a long way to go. There are communal flare ups this side too but the Indians who are in minority, have prospered and contributed a lot and none have migrated giving religious persecution as a reason.

we are basicaly hindu sindhis and my grand parent told me this that at the time of partition they were tortured in pakistan for being hindus and numerous riots broke out and because of that my grand parents parent left pakistan with nothing on a single train in 1947 and now we are living a decent and multi cultural diversty life in india. i am a fourth generation sindhi living in india and can't thank enough of my ancestors decision to come to india. although sindhi culture is almost extinct as we dont know what our clothes were and how to write and read sindhi language. mordern sindhis can just speak and understand sindhi and at home also maximm time i have seen people speaking hindi. during partition punjabis got half punjab, bengalis got half bengal, kashmir got half kashmir, sindhis got nothing. although the entire basis of hinuduism originated from them.

In India Muslim population has increased from 9.6percent to 14 percent of total population since 47 Because minority rights are enshrined in constitution!

4:20 But Shehzad, Sikhs were not even the second majority in United Punjab. What you are proposing would have only caused more ruction.Sikhs in different parts of India would have also faced the aftermath and so would have the Hindus. Know this, in Indian Punjab Hindus and Sikhs are inseperable. Just go to any gurudwara in India you will understand.

The more you listen and learn , this was always about property for themselves and not some religious ideology. How the need to be a property owner for Jinnah was much greater than having a state for Muslims. Knowing he would own full of Punjab the idea of having a joint ownership with Sikhs was not acceptable but learning he would have a smaller part of Punjab he was ready. So sad how men have used personal faith into a controlling mechanism to control property

You compared the killing of muslims in india to the killings of non Muslims in pakistan but forgot or skipped to me tion that in india there is a system that is working for the justice irrespective of religion while in pakistan, the system is the part of the cause.

Sikh religion itself United to fight against mughals.

India already got Sikh president, prime minister & many other important positions despite they being about 2% of totall population. In Pakistan none other than Muslims became prime minister or president. What so cringe worthy & funny is yet these Pakistanis thinks all religion got equality in Pak but in India evil hindus are discrimating everyone. Btw in late 2000s in our 80% hindu populated republic our President was a Muslim, PM was Sikh & ruling party leader a Christian and let alone no one went on protesting over it but hardly even cared and many like us thought it is the thirump of secularism and the motto of 'unity in diversity'. And last Thank you Jinnah for creating Pakistan & absorbing vast majority of good for nothing hatefilled folks of Sub-continent.

I disagree with your analysis.....all these evaluations of Pakistani scholars are going on because something went wrong.....we would not have had this much discussion of the two nation theory if things were okay in pakistan......the fact of the matter is as soon as you try to create a state for muslims and Sikhs i.e. a state on lines of a particular identity other than your national identity.....shit is eventually gonna hit the roof in some form or the other. There is no institutionalised discrimination in India but still we have cases of lynchings or mob violence every once in a while. Two nation theory came into being only because it had the backing of zamindaars at that time who were a bit concerned of the policy changes INC was gonna make in India post independence because it would have led to a loss of their power and status. This is clearly evident from the creation of Bangladesh.....despite the Muslim identity ......these power hungry individuals were too afraid to share power with the Bengali muslims.......they took them for granted and eventually Bangladesh was created.

according to my old man.. in 1947.. loyalty to a newly created Pakistan was expressed through how much you could loot the Kaffir.. nothing has changed

Thank you for partition. We were blessed with good riddance 🙏

Hindu temples are the most beautiful among religious places. The grandeur of these holy places and the forms of art there are immaculate. Islam lacks that visible face. Christian cathedrals have some amount of that grandeur but like Islam they are standardized and at times they are monotonous and look like modern art. We need to bring back that peaceful Hindu glory back with more artful temples. East’s glory lies in reviving Hindu temples as knowledge centres and also as places of respect.

Sikhs were never going to go to Pakistan and to the contrary sikhs at every moment fought against the creation of Muslim Pakistan. We did not get the best deal with India but surely it has been way better than pity condition of non muslims in Pakistan.

You can never be not biased until you think Islam is progressive. Not even one person would have believed that pakistan is not a Islamic republic.

00:46 You are horribly WRONG here. It is true that before Partition, majority of Pakistan's Hindu population was in East Pakistan but that majority was a slim majority. If East Pakistan had 60% of Pakistan's Hindus, West had remaining 40%. As per 1941 Census, West Punjab was at least 20% Hindu or Sikh, and Sindh was 24% Hindu. Karachi had only 49% Muslim population and Lahore was 35% non-Muslim. In comparison, East Bengal aka East Pakistan, was 29% Hindu as per 1941 census. In 1951 census, West Pakistan had become 96-97% Muslim, whereas East Pakistan still had 22% Hindus. Migration of Hindus and Sikhs from West Pakistan was almost complete by the end of 1948 and was like a massive wave whereas migration of Hindus from East Pakistan was like a constant trickle. You Pakistanis know zero facts.

Man these videos are great nutshell of what is and what's been for Pakistan and subcontinent this last century. Thank you for making such content ♥️

Bengali Muslims were not spared Sikhs ??? No way

Shezad just one line ' Deh Shiva bar mohe'

Forget about Sikhs. Pakistan can't even treat Shia's and Hazaras well. There is not 1 rational reason why it couldn't utilise the services of Atif Mian. This idea of persecution of minorities MIGHT be true, but it's solution was NEVER partition. One of the most persecuted GROUP -Dalits - Jogendranath Mandal - 1st law minster of Pak - his letter should've been added here. Dalits were more poor, faced more discrimination, were even not represnted properly. They stayed, so did Sikhs - and they have become PM, Prez, CMs, CJIs, Army Chiefs. Fun Fact: All this othering by a population which was barely converted to Islam150 yrs ago. If Pakistanis get time, do read about the North East Insurgency, there is barely 10% in commmon with mainland - language, culture, religion - even when they had a chance their leadership did not push the envelope far.

Interesting. Ostensibly in the guise of talking about "minority rights", they're channeling Punjabi ethnonationalism by trying to appeal to Sikh separatism. They don't regret that the Partition of India happened, only that their ancestors didn't claim as much as they could have, or agitate for the right set of demands: they wish their ancestors hadn't demanded a Pakistan, but a Punjabistan, by stoking the separatist sentiments of Sikhs. Very sly. However, not sly enough. Pakistanis won't change. Expect demands for an irredentist 'Punjabistan' in the wake of this Pakistan's failure and breakup. Already this Pakistan is like Yugoslavia, where most of the wealth and power is concentrated in one region and with one ethnicity (Punjab and the Punjabis, like the Serbs of the erstwhile Yugoslavia) that dominates 80 percent of the country and its institutions. So yes, that Pakistan is already breeding several subnational separatist and secessionist movements is no surprise. The future of this Pakistan is as a rump Sunni Muslim Punjabistan and a collection of other successor states (Sindh, Balochistan, Afghania etc).

Jinnah also did the blank document shenanigans with Dalits of East Bengal and with Kings of Jodhpur and Bikaner. It was a ploy to get more territory, Gurdaspur and a few other districts. Jogindra Nath Mandal was to regret believing in the snake oil that was sold to him. The Sikhs and Jodhpur fortunately made no such mistake. It was to be a 'moth-eaten' Pakistan. Especially true after the Civil War (which eventually turned into an international conflict) of 1971.

I'm starting to wonder who is funding this channel. Basically what he's nostalgic for is a kind of Punjabistan, or Punjabi nationalist state, which will be the next iteration once this version of Pakistan fails. So naturally encouraging Sikhs to embrace a subnational identity (ie. Khalistanism) is part and parcel of this strategy. Welcome ISPR magic 😂

Can you add subtitles for the urdu part? For international audiences?

Gosh !!!! Shias Ahmedis Baluchi’s No one is allowed to thrive in Pakistan And you want the Sikhs to come to Pakistan? Come on …..

i know this is a serious video but I can't help it when he says "there is a moment in history when zigged when we could have zagged" just puts a huge smile on my face.

so beautifully narrated my man.

I have been watching yours shows for quite sometime and you come across as an intelligent pakistani. Great points, with some disagreement. LONG READ ALERT! Pakistanis should always understand that India's exclusionary hindutva movement is a reaction to Pakistan's TNT. The original activist movement of India was led by elitist and secular congress as a pressure group. With the arrival of Gandhi, when congress started increasing its demands and started turning into a mass socially inclusive total independence movement beyond it's mandate as pressure group of indian elites demanding small consessions, Jinnah was brought back from London to start muslim league as the entity of Muslims so as to discredit Congress as a hindu nationlist organization and not a secular Indian nationalist organization. Please note that AFTER the Muslim league was set up, RSS was born purely as a reaction in order to fight muslim nationalism with hindu nationalism. Both Muslim League and RSS were mirror images of each other advocating for and separation between muslims and hindus respectively. Majority of Hindus of the time didnt buy into RSS though. Coming to religion, Hinduism by it's very nature, as a polytheistic religion, accepts existence of allah and god in addition to it's own pantheon because existence of couple of more gods doesnt threaten the foundation of polytheistic hinduism. The monotheistic nature of islam coupled with rejection of "any other" god lays the foundation for a totalitarian and exclusivist society, that naturally led to TNT and Pakistan. India's extreme diversity of languages, sects and customs within the umbrella of hinduism, is a testament to the inherent diversity, secularism and tolerance of different beliefs in Hinduism that doesnt seek to homogenize the society around a single god or seek "purity" of belief. Not just hinduism, but also other indic religions like buddhism, and jainism share the same tolerance towards one another and they co-existed peacefully. This tolerance was also extended to historic foreign religious minorities of India-judaism and parsis that arrived way before Islam. Tolerance of other beliefs was a rule in Hinduism until Islam arrived with it's exclusivist and intolerant ideology. Hindutva unfortunately is a product of assimilation of 1000 years of muslim+christian thought into hinduism that seeks to create a pure/exclusivist society where everyone within the hindu society is equal. The argument being, if islam rejects hindu gods and hindu society and treats them as second class, hindus must reject allah and muslim society as a principle of reciprocity that it thinks is essential for self-preservation and protect hindus from repetition of that 1000 year long colonization by islam and christianity. 80% of south asian muslims are hindu converts and their "separate" identities had not crystallized despite the conversion even until the Brits arrived. Even after conversion, they continued practisng many hindu customs some of which continue to this day, particularly in marriage. The British tendency to catalogue and tabulate the society under "different categories" ossified the separate religious identity of hindus and muslims. There is an interesting anecdote that when the british carried out the first census, they would often come across people who would go to temple, dargah as well as mosque. The brits decided that "if he goes to mosque more than temple, classify him as muslim and if he goes to temple more than dargah, classify him as hindu". This was the seed of british inflicted hindu muslim partition. Anyways, one positive of Hindutva is that it is the strongest force against caste discrimination as it seeks to forge a consolidated hindu identity free of caste fragmentation that can "fight" Islam. Infact BJP wins big victory because of this grand hindu caste alliance that used to be fragmented under several regional caste based "social justice" secular parties until recently who used to win from hindu lower caste+muslim vote. Hindutva is Islam+christian exclusivist+intolerant value assimilated hinduism for the new age. 800 years of muslim rule and 200 years of british rule was bound to influence hinduism, and we see the outcome in the form of hindutva. Hindutva intolerance is just equal in measure to Islamic intolerance, they are both mirror images. If south asian muslims dropped their monotheistic islam mandated religious intolerance towards hindus and resultant separatism, realized their ethnic/genetic indian roots which ties them to their pre-islamic hindu ancestors who they share with current indian hindus, the hindutva defence mechanism of hinduism would dissapear.

When Pakistan started to falter horrendously many pakistanis youtubers and analysts like this channel started revisiting history to try and mend ties with India...but the thing is even if these people are genuine, they comprise 0.001% or less in pakistani society...if you see the pakistani street videos one would get a clear view of how the normal muslim pakistanis sees tye world especially hindus and indians.....India should not let its foot off the pedal...just keep punishing Pak till it mends its ways or breaks up...

Bhai sahab aapka desh bana hi religion ke base p hai, Then how can you expect that neither mr.jinnah will speak in favour of othere religion nor against his religion ☯️. You can trim(cut) some branches of tree 🌴 for better shape and size but you can't change the roots of trees.

Sikhs fought for the Indian freedom struggle. On other hand Muslims from the Muslim league never fought against the British. They didn't even launch any movement against the brits. Then why do you think Sikhs will shake hand with Muslims?

Muslim lynching, howsoever condemnable, in India is happening just recently. But minority persecution in Pakistan has been happening silently, accumulating to a large quantity from partition till now. As a result, comparing the miserable state of minorities in Pakistan with cow lynching is false equivalency. Tell me one thing, why you don't invite one non-Muslim guest on your show from Pakistan. Are you selectively excluding them, or none exists? This is an introspection you have to do. So many Pakistani youtubers getting common people's opinions, but i have seen none from a minority community. Please demystify this perplexity.

Kalat was another example when Mr Jinnah said you write anything on a blank paper then he renaged his promise ! Even accepting that minority were less in Punjab (west) in pre partition period (I can challenge that) no effort was made by ruling junta in east Pakistan to save them rather unspeakable atrocities unleashed upon them at every moment after 1947till when Bangladesh formed

Nice video, Shezhad. I like your conversations with Dr. Ahmed. I know there might be some level of persecution of Muslims by some tiny small percentage of radicals, majority faith in India, and it's highly condemable. But in pakistan, your state is supporting decrimination against your minority which is not the case in India. In pakistan, I have read those details of your constitution pages where it is clearly written that no non-Muslims can become pakistan's army chief, pm, president, chief minister, ISI, or intelligence chief. While India doesn't have this issue. India already had 2 R.A.W chiefs, 4 presidents , 2-3 education ministers, and 3 chief ministers ( in hindu majority states😅) from the Muslim community in the last 75 years. One of India most famous and respected presidents was during the rule of BJP, surprisingly during the vajpayee government. Moreover, one more thing I would add here is that in pakistan people only highlight lynching of Muslims in India. No one really talks about how hindus are choped off from the head by radical Muslims, too. Like I have never seen news from Pakistan that non Muslims cut the head of Muslims in Lahor or any of the places, but you can see that news in India many times, perhaps more than Muslims lynching incidents. In India, you can joke about majority religions gods in stand-up still you can become hero but I have never seen a single comedian in India who made fun of Prophet or Allah and those who did are chopped off from the head like Kamlesh Tiwari. So, as per my personal opinion, there is no comparison for the treatment of minority b/w India and pakistan, but pakistanis can disagree. Keep making such videos Shezhad, that's how you can change radical thinking of your country towards minority.

Recently I noticed your channel and adore your various posts. You are doing excellent job, keep it up!! However your curiosity in this post about Muslim and Sikh association at that of point i.e. in 1947 era is just innocent and funny

Regarding sikhs, fact remains that Ranjit Singh I'd the hero of Sikhs and Hindu Punjabis and villain for Punjabi Muslims, and frankly speaking sikhs had nothing in common with the Muslims of KPK, Sindh, Bengal, Balouchistan and Muhajirs. and shehzad has failed to clarify what would have happened to hindu punjabis who were handling trade and commerce of Punjab.

How would a sikh homeland work. In 1947 only one district was majority sikh that too by by a bare margin. Massive riots had already taken place where sikhs and hindus fought on the same side. Many sikhs were intermarried with Hindus [khatri caste]. Pakistan should realize that its foundation as a country was bad and reform itself instead of having wet dreams. Also why are you not talking about the fact that west pakistani army drove out 7.5 million hindus from bangladesh [several of them who returned after the war and the genocide had ended]. The Pakistanis killed 30 times muslims in bangladesh compared to all the riots in India. So much for the safe homeland for south Asian Muslims. Let's not talk about 73 thousand pashtuns killed and 10 thousand balochis who have died too. RSS and all hindu extremists can only dream about killing as many Muslims as pakistani army does. The only thing pakistan has achieved is the creation of a state for the Muslim north indian elite to loot who migrated to pakistan in 1947.

Where can I read the play Jis Lahore nai dekhya o Jamyai nai ?

Prof Ishtiaq 💕💕💕💕

People who say minorities are safe in Pakistan should ask the Christians in Gojra.

I am secular, watching your content makes me more & more proud indian, thanks for bringing the professor back, he is a gem🎉❤.

Shehzad - you should ask a question to one of your historian panelists on the Nehru Liaquat pact. This pact obligated each country to protect each others’ minorities. Neither country brings it up anymore but I think pressure from Pakistan to India and vice versa on this front is not necessarily a bad thing if it leads to a better outcome for the people

Muslims & Sikhs as a separate country? Where would Punjabi Hidnus go? Why Sikhs were wiped out in West Punjab? What about Jains, Buddhists, Parsis, Jews & Christians in India? Jinnah actually promoted Drvidistan, and a deparate country for Chrstians too. It's divisive not constructive. In fact Dravidian activists wholeheartedly supported AIML in Madras during 1941 meeting. It's dubious thought ab initio.

Political Religion is the root cause of all the atrocities. Be it Pakistan or India. It is just that some Religions are better at the game of subjugation and filled with more superiority Complex, than other religions. Pakistan should be a prime example for India and its leaders that how dangerous this game of flirting Politics and religion is. India will never go to such a low even if it tries because it has a diverse mindset but why even take that road for small political gains.

When are you inviting Harris sultan 🤔❓

Sikhs are thriving in India- one PM, so many generals... They are part of the wider Indic/ Hindufold.....

I want to know more of the "asymmetry" in the resource distributed between Pak & India. Didn't Gandhi fast for the complete disbursement of 50crores to Pak which was being held to be transferred in parts to monitor Pak's spending which actually turned out to be true as it was majorly spent on army and used AGAINST India within a year???

Podcasts like these have changed my mindset, so amazing to know that this generation of Pakistanis are look for peace and friendship with India. You Daniyal Sheikh and others always talk good about India and the need to have better ties with us. Now I think we as Indians too need to come forward with open arms. Bury the age old perceptions about each other and come together. BIG FAN OF YOU!

Please go through the Census 1941 figures..many districts including Lahore and Karachi had Hindu & Sikh population of more than 40 per cent.

u talk about muslim moblyunching but u didn't talk about muslim are 2 nd largest majority and ishai buddist Jain jews parsi r real minority in India ... But u didn't talk about hindu moblyunching in India by Muslim... U r been selective when u talk about human rights issue in India ...plz, don't compare with India because in India u so called minority population is increased twice from 9 cr to 25 cr

Where is the complete podcast?

Date mentioned on Tribune article is August 06 , 2016 not last week.

I disagree as a sikh we are mote close to Hindus culturally not muslims If you go to Himachal Pradesh then on hindu religious places you will many Sikhs and Hindus together doing Seva i also go to shiv bodi

Thank God they are safe in India

Answering his question in one word: Master Tara Singh Malhotra

You can't compare how we treat our minorities to how you treat your minorities, i don't see muslims in India trying to run away to Pakistan, while on the other hand......... like you guys keep bringing up Gujarat riots what you ignore is the total number of people who were killed in those riots, Hindus and muslims included, twice of that number of Hindus, Christians and other minorities leave Pakistan for India EVERY YEAR. India's treatment of minorities is better than Egypt which isn't good but they too have 14 percent Christian population but those Coptic Christians have representation in all aspects of Egyptian society despite social and institutional discrimination at some level. So India's treatment of minorities may not be good but comparing how you treat your minorities to that of ours is kinda weird, cause our nearest peer in this is Egypt not your country.

Finally you raised the voice for the minorities of Pakistan. I appreciate 🙏 Try another one in Urdu bro so a common Pakistani may get your message.

Argument of W Pakistan consistently having 3-4 percent minority is disingenuous. The minority population was nearly 15-20 percent pre partition.

Brilliant .... Hats off to u brother for debunking the myths that we had studied in pak study But plz make sure the voice gets clear bcoz at the end dr sab ki awaz boht distorted aarai hai

Truth & reality is must necessary 👍👍👍👍

Do talk about after direct action day, and mass killings, other side respond.

Every thing is A soul contract Every life is a at a conciousness level .. All these discussions r fruitless

Politics usually takes the path of least resistance, and it is much easier to unite people on religious lines than with the abstract language of rights. It is easier to push people into tribal identities than to have them reach out and join hands. To create a consensus across religious lines that Hindus would use their majority to cast aside minorities would require monumental effort, sustained over the decades of the Muslim League's existence. It could not have happened overnight. Such an attempt would also prompt the Congress to counter with its own outreach measures. With an array of Western liberals across its leadership, I daresay this would be a harder fight for Jinnah. By painting this as a religious argument, he chose a framework where the Congress could not counter effectively. The many barristers in its ranks, trained in Western philosophy, would play to their strengths against secular, rights-based arguments. At the same time, the likes of Gandhi would probably reach within Hinduism to find messages of peace and universal brotherhood, which the religion offers in abundance. I suspect your thoughts on this may be tainted by the militant, aggressive Hinduism that the current Indian Government espouses. Do remember that this is not a historically dominant creed. Hinduism, current passions notwithstanding, is fundamentally an inward-looking, other-worldly religion. At most times, it is not an identity that is easy to conjure fear against - enough that groups with historical differences unite.

Pakistan was not created only for Muslims? That was the very basis of two nation theory.