Panel: Budget politics, separate Māori Parliament, protest hīkoi | Q+A 2024 

Do you know why there's this attitude of "We need to be getting the government to pay more money just for Maori outcomes"? Cus it always seems to come down to wanting Maori only services to be funded but there is never a consideration of the poor state of the economic situation, it would just mean more borrowing and more inflation to do these things which effects everyone and contributes to the cost of living crisis.

OK. Then what did Maori do with the 900 million dollars "given" to them. "For the "effects" COVID-19 on Maori" in 2021/22. Did "you" get any of that??

Jared...You are a fine example of the majority of Maori. One with a brain and not on the elitist gravy train for a free ride on the back of the taxpayer!

​@@DW_KiwiNo David, just stop being racist

The entire colonial government cut Maaori out in the 1860s, wtf are you talking about?

It's a panel, not an interview

@@growtocycle6992 keep telling yourself that if it helps

Oh so true. All the tribes are constantly squabbling over who owns what. Until British law intervened Maori wared tribally and sub tribally to claim what they thought was theirs or to just take what they wanted. The mentality of elite tribal radical Maori HAS NOT changed. The fact is now that they all have intermingled and bred with all Maori tribes including what they once were their slave tribes, and so many other different cultures that they are a bastard race like many of the rest of us. There are no true Maori left. Most maori are of Maori European mix. For goodness sake. Stop hating that half of yourselves if not more and just evolve like the rest of us. I'm absolutely fed up with TPM and ELITE TRIBAL MAORI. Just get over yourselves and work together as equals to make New Zealand a better place. We all have equal rights already. We don't need the racism and divisional hate speech, divisive posts like Kiri tamahere waititi posted, the rants from John tamahere or Debbie packer or Rawiri waititi. And stop lying about the history of NZ. Stop brainwashing your children and using them for subversive posts as you did with that poor child who was too young to understand what you trained him to say. I'm appalled and shocked constantly by your behaviour and blatant disrespect for the other 159 cultures that make up NZ society now and the disrespect for all the good things contributed that make NZ what it is today. There is no benefit of having 2 govt factions. By the way who is going to fund this. The $70 billion that ELITE TRIBAL RADICAL MAORI TRUSTS and BUSINESS are worth. Let me think. Ok already thought. HELL NO!!!!

So was every other country

Facts! Not this new woke elite racist agenda

Exactly it would never get of the ground.

Spare us the white saviour rhetoric

White frear

I think your comment is spot on and should be emblazoned in capital letters, underlined, and in bold font!

What do you think happens? Perhaps you are shocked that Kiri has taken a (in your terms of reference) Right wing stance here? For the record, I advocate love

maori r dying earlier due to poor health choices

John Tamihere is a racist liar and professional victim who raised another racist liar and professional victim, who married another racist liar and professional victim, who is the leader of a party filled with racist liars and professional victims. What a pathetic legacy.

Why are you so fearful?

They don't. Pakeha have ruled Maori and this Country for so long and that is not what the Treaty says. That's why Maori want their own Parliament so they and others less fortunate can do better.

Do you know that you are stupid or not?

Because they are professional victims who are not content unless they are whinging about something.

They literally dont have the same opportunity tho? Its undeniable that they perform worse on nearly every statistic. Thats because of this vicious cycle of poverty and govt neglect that repeats itself over and over.

Why are you confused?

It certainly appears you are

Don't be. Seymour and the Act Party is like all the other NZ parties, a communist front designed to enable a Maori and Chinese and communist takeover. Seymour yesterday accepted the lie that 20 percent of the population and Maori, and that by implication most of those 20 percent of pale or totally euro maoris, support the Waitangi agenda and the Maori Nationalists. NZ has been taken over by a political elite of Marxists, old SUP members, McGuiligudy Serious and Steam Punk idiots who fail to grasp the nuclear submarine is nothing more than a steam kettle and Stalin and Trotsky abandoned utopian communism and the idea that the peasants and proles ie SC farmers or Hutt factory workers could ever be made intelligent or cultural.

Gary3074 I'm not. She jumped before she was pushed. Would have given her more credit though to fight and do good for her cause. Maybe that was no longer possible.

maori r dying earlier due to poor health choices

Alcohol

european exceptionalism is the root cause for maori disparities and your comment proves that

Probably racism like stereotyping as an example, you know like writing ‘dna weaker’ and ‘Alcohol’ for example. Oh yes and possibly unconscious bias and systemic racism. 😂.

Those are all probable reasons, along with poverty, and disengagement from the pakeha health system. Have you looked deeper than a simple and typical response? Have you looked at other statistics? For example, ACC statistics...your views are very selective and take no account of the destruction of Maori culture, language, mana and of the environment they are connected to in the deepest possible way, which has occurred since James Cook came looking for land for the British.

When we all stop classing by race and say rich or poor we might whakamutua ēnei mahi rorirori..about time whole lot of NZ grow up both right and left wing completely of the rails

You have a few things wrong here. Firstly, I have never heard experts say we were in a dire situation economically in NZ. The only dire situation I recall is when a pandemic spread across thd globe and was killing hundreds of thousands of people every week. Unlike today, we gad a very strong and experienced leader who put Nes Zealand on the map a second time. This time it was for her leadership, which until today is still the inspiration and or envy of very many countries. I certainly hope people don't get too sucked in by the narrative of our current leaders. I will be back with more.

@@barbsmart7373 Are you for real? You don't need an expert when your living week to week and can barely afford to pay the bills, my rent went up 60 dollars this year, it went up 40 dollars last year, I've never had that happen in the 15 years I've been renting houses. As far as the comments about Jacinda are concerned, No one liked her by the end because she lied to everyone and would never be accountable for anything. That's the opposite of being a leader. She was probably the worst thing that could of happened to this country and if you think otherwise I truly feel sorry for you. Clearly you didn't loose your job or your financial security because of the stuff her government did otherwise you wouldn't of said anything like that.

@@barbsmart7373 What are you on about? You don't need an expert to tell you things are bad when your rent goes up by 100 dollars a week in 2 years, which happened to me. You don't need an expert to tell you that your living week to week and can barely afford to pay the bills., which is still happening to me and thousands of other people. This is the most delusional comment I've ever read honestly. Don't come back with more your clearly living on a different planet to the rest of us.

@@barbsmart7373What country do you live in? Our economic situation is daily news and we are hearing from all financial experts (including outside government) all alerting us to the economic crisis NZ is in and in recent reviews of several government agencies have shown they were billions in the red when the books were handed over to the Nats... in the case of Housing NZ it was multi billions in the red and the agency was totally insolvent and the facts had been hidden for some time such was the mismanagement and deviousness of Labour ...(but then Robertson told us there would be no money after the elections and he seemed to think it funny... he boasted there was no money and the country was broke! We didn't need to be told this however as many of us who have a very good grip on the country's situation were aware of Labour's mismanagement of the economy. The massive borrowing done by Labour and its total mismanagement of the country has all but ruined us... you are absolutely delusional and the drivel you spew is mindless and shows you have no understanding of economics .. so don't bother to pedal any more of your communist drivel. Re: your hero Ardern and covid: The stupidity of Ardern's 2020 lockdown was that covid was already here in our country as early as 2018... and that is a fact which is now being recognised by medical experts... 25 people died in 2018 from this severe respiratory condition!

Again I say, don't get sucked in by fallacies that our current leaders might love for you to believe. If you look overseas, very many countries face the same challenges we do. Many have high inflation, lack of workers, huge increases in food and fuel prices!!!! It would pay you to find out fir yourself, which countries are struggling with which issues. Some countries have worse issues...like terrorism, war, racism, fires, higher unemployment, and worse outcomes with what you have mentioned. I don't think you understand all the things that contribute to inflation. This is a global problem. And remember that some countries borrow mire than this country. You are implying that the previous government caused these problems. But as in many areas, this government has ignored all expert advise by paying for tax cuts out of money needed elsewhere. Have you looked at all the huge donations made to this Government? That means who our leaders are indebted to. There already are stinking rich people here. Besides the 7 high end properties that Luxon owns, and the businesses he and his family are directors of, have you wondered why people who are already rich are being helped to become stinking rich, and others to become putridly, sickingly rich? Meanwhile, people like you are receiving very, very little assistance? Thinking again about dire situations, because this government has prioritized helping wealthy people to become very rich and without contributing the way low paid workers have to... we have actually been left in what I and everyone else knows is a very irresponsible predicament, a real prick of a situation. No one is really assured that when the next disaster strikes, that there will be sufficient available to pay for the clean up. That means mire pain for Kiwis. It must be very stressful for Luxon and Willis to know they are responsible for such a foolish decision. Most leaders would be experienced enough to not make such wild promises just to win an election. It is easy to see why Luxon is so rattled by Austealia preparing to send back 501's. There are lots of ways now that his policies could affect his simplistic little approach to get tough on crime!! By the way, getting tough on crime is ALWAYS a vote grabber politicians use at election time!!! A lot could go wrong with the new policies. Well the environment WILL be badly affected. The 13-year old who killed a boy at a bus stop will be one of many who can't get the tough sentence. A million Maori and many Tangata Tiriti are preparing to agitate. Luxkn was rattled by the idea of Maori skipping work fof a day. A rattled prime minister is nof a good thing. Gang members will go underground. Unemployment is increasing. Inflation could easily rise. Expect a lot of fallout. I know of a lady who works with youth assessing and dealing with self harm. She has lost her job. The lie is that she is NOT a Frontline worker. Expect more suicides. The leaders are Kiwis who have been driving for 20, 30, 40 50, or 55 years. They are not people over 75, or who have just come here from China, or have just got their licenses. I drive the same vehicle, on the same side of the road, in the same district, in the same country as I have for the last 22 years, with a license I got 45 years ago. Recently I have seen one Asian in a rental car with some of the most dangerous driving I have seen. I have almost been smashed into by another Asian. I recently made sure I passed an erratic driver in a 100k but windy road. She looked about 20 and had her eyes on a cell phone and was typing twice as fast as I ever could. While Driving. A 100k, windy road, mate. Expect more road deaths. Thousands more smokers will die. Some with cancer won't make it. It is the second day in winter. Are 40 people a day still going to hospital with Covid? Has this wave peaked yet. I know someone with Covid. He went to the pools. No isolating. None. How many are Maori Pacific people in crowded little homes with ten others? Or just plain poverty stricken. These are just a few worrying changes, and some very poor leadership. It is easy to see what someone is up to by the way they float in. FSt track. Take no advice. Tell the public very little. Watch those 3 closely. With discernment.

And how is that important to this discussion?

​@@stephenlennon7369shows her character when in an important position that represented our govt.

Got proof?

That's not the way I see it. All Maori have European ancestry in them as well. And many have not only far more DNA from Brits than from Maori AND they have lived in a very British kind of society, with all the Pakeha traits that go with it, they ALSO think like the most racist, exploitative, unsustainable, disconnected, individualistic, capitalistic people you will ever find! Even the more Maori kinds of Maori in there still have to give National's spiels. It is really shocking for me to listen to Potaka, Jones and Seymour!!! Peter's also has some very disturbing attitudes towards his own people. Those 4 men should know better....but obviously are very very very Pakeha behind their whakapapa. I am 100% Pakeha, but in my attitudes and connection to Maori through attitudes, whakapapa, connection to the environment, through education and through my work, I am far, far, far more Maori in my heart and actions than someone like Seymour is!!!!

Thank you @barbsmart , we love you and how beautiful our Tangata Tiriti are 🫶🏼

Those people may have Whakapapa, but they also heavily feature as Kuupapa. The words from their mouths have no heart, they do not operate in Maaori best interest.

@@stephenlennon7369 posted the proof got censored and deleted just do a google search

Oh Yes!!

Which the Monarch recognises. Buckingham Palace sides with Te Tiriti. Maori are soverign here. You are not.

✈️👋🏼 back to SA thanks

Just like Islam. Tikanga for Sharia.

Of course that is there end game, they are trying to take a leaflet out of the Zimbabwe book.

@@DW_Kiwi I can hear how fearful you are of Maaori equity via Te Tiriti. Don't worry, Maaori won't hurt you.

@@olliemoose2020 another SA rascal coming to NZ with his SA attitude of privilege.

Got proof?

No amount of money or land will help.

You can never appease the Māori so why should we bother trying, they will always want more.

New Zealand heading for disaster politics... should they ever vote in a, Labour coalition Govnt again.. eg: Labour, Greens [known for their skills in thieving from local businesses] & of course,' the crazy', 'racist', and potentially very dangerous,'Te Pāti Māori' party: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R2eFO-w-7bw.htmlsi=Sz7eSsYLUZk7fBeB

Yip and that’s there very own problem, but will they do anything to solve it, I think not.

Cherry picked and out of context.

John Tamihere is a racist liar and professional victim who raised another racist liar and professional victim, who married another racist liar and professional victim, who is the leader of a party filled with racist liars and professional victims. What a pathetic legacy.

Similarly, some Paakehaa for their sense of privilege

No, you're thinking of Guarav Sharma

So how did they get into government, oh yea that’s right I almost forgot.

That is the General Roll count only, dummy. The Maori Roll, has vastly more Maori on it, and they had the majority votes in all but one seat. Numbers you have no right to know.

✈️👋🏼

​​@@Kult365 waka 👋

They wont. They are on a roll! Lets call it as to what it is. Treason!!

The only allegiance Māori have is to them selves, end of story.

These unwashed settlers can go back to Europe.

They get no more and no less than we all get. To proactively favour monetarily or any other manner of favouritism to an unbalanced higher percentage than others is racism and is apartheid.

Enough of the "us and them" nonsense. People's individual needs should dictate, not their race.

Why should Māori get any more than every other NZr in this country, do they really think they are that special.😂

Don’t forget moan, moan f##ken moan.

That's racist. All the journos support wok lefty's and prob more than 50% have some Maori in them. They won't touch the elite tribal radical maori nasty racial rhetoric.

That because they had no equity to borrow on, just like anybody else wouldn’t get a loan on those conditions, so stop whinging.

It's in the past ,and yeah the system wasn't designed to help maori prosper.but we are still here and have opportunities they didn't Look forward

So Maori invaded New Zealand and killed the existing people .

The moari version was based off the English version since moari didn't actually have a written language? A English man wrote it for them. Translated the language into writing?

​@@precisionstackandbuild...Maori

Two of the three party leaders in government are Māori. Maybe you are the one that is wrong?

​@@precisionstackandbuildI see history isn't your favorite topic read the ENZB collections archives of NZ history than get back to me?

​​@@gary3074They represent there own interest because the initiative implemented under labour were actual Treaty obligations

Maori have fared far far better over the years than the genuine indigenous people of other countries.

​@@user-cv3wm8uu3yhave fought for what they have, and still are. Big difference.

Thank you 🫶🏼

Seperatism has never and will never be a positive to a country. Especially a small country at the bottom of the map, but strategically important to the enemies of the West, Australia in particular.

@@Kult365 They didn't fight for it, they signed a treaty. And they have been given everything since.