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Parallels between the Roman Empire and the USA 

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Comparison between the USA and the Roman Empire, we go from Social and Cultural Issues to International Relations and Army stuff to Economy and Politics. No Romans were harmed during making this video.
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@MonsieurDean
@MonsieurDean 2 года назад
Parallel #1: Eagles.
@unclesam5230
@unclesam5230 2 года назад
MY EAGLE!
@The_Alt_Vault
@The_Alt_Vault 2 года назад
Nice seeing a fellow Romaboo
@francesco9281
@francesco9281 2 года назад
Pretty much the entire world copied the Roman eagle as symbol of authority, which btw was just the symbol of the Roman military, the symbol of Rome in general was the shewolf that fed Romulus and Remos, so the symbol of Rome is a wolf not an eagle
@lokky95
@lokky95 2 года назад
Great band, btw.
@imperialhistati2348
@imperialhistati2348 2 года назад
That’s it! Cody
@FarmerSlayerFromTheEdoPeriod
@FarmerSlayerFromTheEdoPeriod 2 года назад
Early Romans losing 2848291²² battles: "Our troops have rallied and returned to the battle!" Late Romans after Cassius dies from a Hunnic arrow: "Our troops flee the battlefield! A SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!"
@aceofspadesguy4913
@aceofspadesguy4913 2 года назад
“The gods have abandoned us!”
@moisesjimenez4391
@moisesjimenez4391 2 года назад
Never thought i'd see a Total War reference in the comment sections, let alone a top comment. I commend you for this good sir
@res-publica
@res-publica 2 года назад
Rise, Son of Rome
@matthewrobinson2474
@matthewrobinson2474 2 года назад
We're almost there, since the military is going full purple hair
@hemidas
@hemidas 2 года назад
@@matthewrobinson2474 So when will they start shanking the presidents?
@SamuelHallEngland
@SamuelHallEngland 2 года назад
Romans having to remember all the Germanic tribes' names is probably roughly equivalent to us remembering all the Afghani tribes' names, it just doesn't really happen!
@TominusMaximus
@TominusMaximus 2 года назад
Yeah, there is basically Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Aimaq and Turkmen tribes in Afghanistan, there are no "Afghanis".
@SamuelHallEngland
@SamuelHallEngland 2 года назад
@@TominusMaximus Yeah as a best guess I would just name some of the countries next door, perhaps Panjshir as well as that was in the news pretty recently, but there must be hundreds more I could never name!
@DISTurbedwaffle918
@DISTurbedwaffle918 2 года назад
@@TominusMaximus It would probably be like walking into an Irish pub and calling the people in there "British" Broadly, yes, they are of the British Isles, but this technicality will not save you from the mob of drunken, angry potatos.
@sinoroman
@sinoroman 2 года назад
many yue tribes: * exist * han empire: ....... baiyue (just say there are a hundred tribes, group them together, and call it a day)
@GAMER123GAMING
@GAMER123GAMING 2 года назад
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 And im pretty sure the same would happen if you made a reference to potatos... Mr yank never learns...
@Chill6063
@Chill6063 2 года назад
So Rome was basically the average EU4 player, Spamming troops until the enemy ran out of manpower
@muhammadabuzarkhan7450
@muhammadabuzarkhan7450 2 года назад
The Soviets of it's time.
@muhammadabuzarkhan7450
@muhammadabuzarkhan7450 2 года назад
Russia of it's time.
@spurdanbenis8787
@spurdanbenis8787 2 года назад
Yep, but it doesn't make roman war machine less efective, since "le spamming" occured in such cases as Pyrrhic and Punic war.
@carval51
@carval51 2 года назад
they are more of heavy troops focus with a well trained army, not sure about late age one of but in large case it's is not
@nickrunyon1129
@nickrunyon1129 2 года назад
Exactly, I'll bankrupt myself spamming mercs before giving my enemies anything in a peace treaty.
@LeviathanSpeaks1469
@LeviathanSpeaks1469 2 года назад
*Pro-Lifers in the modern US: Accused of hating women’s rights, Pro-Lifers in the Roman Empire: Accused of being simps*
@laughsatchungus1461
@laughsatchungus1461 2 года назад
I mean pro-lifers do hate womens rights but ok
@LeviathanSpeaks1469
@LeviathanSpeaks1469 2 года назад
Exactly. That’s the joke. Everything eventually changes as civilization gets older.
@johnythepvpgod1470
@johnythepvpgod1470 2 года назад
@Martin Luther they have no responsibility of their own body, then blame someone when they get pregnant
@ilduce4298
@ilduce4298 2 года назад
@@laughsatchungus1461 no they don't also abortion is evil and can't be justified
@user-sx1mm1sl6u
@user-sx1mm1sl6u 2 года назад
@Martin Luther This but unrionically. Abortions are based.
@ziggytheassassin5835
@ziggytheassassin5835 2 года назад
That point about the casualties is really eye opening. Nowadays if 100 US soldiers die in a battle it would go down as a military disaster. While in world war 2 the us would lose thousands in a battle to take a strategic island and consider it a win.
@cherrycoyote55
@cherrycoyote55 2 года назад
In otherwords TLDR: America turned into a bitch.
@YAH2121
@YAH2121 2 года назад
Because that was the last time we fought a war against other rich military powers like Imperial Japan and Germany. The scale and ferocity of the battles were on a different level. Ever since it's been third world shitholes like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, 1950s Korea, etc.
@ziggytheassassin5835
@ziggytheassassin5835 2 года назад
@@YAH2121 sort of like how rome went from fighting great empires like the greeks, carthage and persians to third world shitholes like britannia germania and whatever new horde came out of the ukraine region
@uncleadi
@uncleadi 2 года назад
It doesn't really mean anything. The scales of every war are different. If the US went to war with a great power today, everyone would expect a lot more than 100 KIA in a few battles.
@iwatchyoutubealot
@iwatchyoutubealot 2 года назад
@@cherrycoyote55 its more like America has not fought a war worth fighting in forever and the blind patriotism + propaganda that carried it through the civil war, ww1, and ww2 started wearing out in veetnam
@mustermusli2445
@mustermusli2445 2 года назад
Im that exact type of person that would go to a arian neighborhood and scream the father is of the same essence as god.
@TominusMaximus
@TominusMaximus 2 года назад
Do you by any chance wear a burger king crown?
@ZephLodwick
@ZephLodwick 2 года назад
When bakers ask me about the nature of Christ, I simply respond: 'Fools, the Son is clearly greater than the Father!' Works every time.
@Guy-Mann
@Guy-Mann 2 года назад
Look out boys. We have a gamer among us.
@DISTurbedwaffle918
@DISTurbedwaffle918 2 года назад
Walk into the Gothic camps, call them all subhuman animals, and then start chanting the Nicene Creed.
@mustermusli2445
@mustermusli2445 2 года назад
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 jokes that are nonsense to non history nerds are true sigma communication
@wormius7350
@wormius7350 2 года назад
As a collector of Roman coins from the 3rd century, you can get a clear picture of how quickly the economy failed. From Caracalla to Diocletian the Antoninianus goes from a 48% silver coin weighing around 4.5 grams to a tiny coin of 5% silver (which rubs right off) weighing 3 grams.
@sterlingsimmons2212
@sterlingsimmons2212 2 года назад
Yeah, but we print money digitally so we'll be fine in the US of A.
@wormius7350
@wormius7350 2 года назад
@@sterlingsimmons2212 surely nothing bad will happen if say, a solar flare occurs.
@jileelmcdaniels7331
@jileelmcdaniels7331 2 года назад
If you don't mind me asking, where do you buy these coins? I would love to own a little part of antiquity.
@QueenElizabeth1sth
@QueenElizabeth1sth 2 года назад
@@wormius7350 ah yes. Billioners become millioners.
@ln5321
@ln5321 2 года назад
Haha, coin minter goes BANG
@thuzan117
@thuzan117 2 года назад
I personally find there to be more parallels between the US and the late Roman republic. Some of the most notable ones are increasing instability and deadlock in the legislature, the executive branch gaining more and more power with little accountability and perhaps the most unsettling, the transition from a draft/ levy military to a professional, volunteer standing army, which is of course accompanied by the military having increased power.
@Armageddon11011989
@Armageddon11011989 2 года назад
I agree with this more. To add to your comment, Social issues from the late republic actually mirror more accurately the social issues of the US today: namely increasing wealth inequality due to war profiteering by the elites, traditional power structures being challenged by populism (Marius, the Gracchii and eventually Caesar), as for military losses in Afghanistan and Vietnam is mirrored in the Jurgurthine war and Parthian war, both were expeditionary wars fought in harsh terrain against an asymetric force.
@Pan_Z
@Pan_Z 2 года назад
All of these involve the common people losing power & responsibility. This kind of civil sloth stems from ignorance, from the masses wishing to avoid their own duties for convenience, and corrupt bureaucrats more than happy to take advantage of it.
@aceofspadesguy4913
@aceofspadesguy4913 2 года назад
The difference between Rome and our republic is the Roman government and the military were inseparably entangled. Every legion was led by someone of the political class. This isn’t at all the case with the American Republic. We’ve taken about every step possible to prevent the military from being directly involved in politics (military industrial complex is a different subject). Military personnel aren’t allowed to even _attend_ political events in uniform because it would look like an endorsement. Success in the military doesn’t directly translate to political success the way it did in Rome, case and point: MacArthur. In Rome, however, it did. Success on the battlefield would usually mean advancement in politics.
@randomperson6988
@randomperson6988 2 года назад
Exactly, there better parallels here
@Jakethegoodman
@Jakethegoodman 2 года назад
Isnt the inevitable corruption the natural path of any representative body?
@JustinCage56
@JustinCage56 2 года назад
It really does highlight how similar humans were centuries ago and how many of our traits and attitudes never really changed but only the topics have. Amazing, huh?
@orangedalmatian
@orangedalmatian 2 года назад
One of the most blatantly foolish and arrogant lines of modern thinking is this underlying assumption, particularly prevalent in more progressive and secular circles of modern society, that people from the past, even as recent as the 19th century, were fundamentally less capable of rational thought than we are today. It's as if they've taken Darwinian evolution and believed it takes effect over generations instead of eons. Ironically it will always lead to them making the same mistakes as the ancestors they dismissed.
@Ttegegg
@Ttegegg 2 года назад
@@orangedalmatian unfortunately it seems like people don’t seem to learn from history
@fellipedasilva99
@fellipedasilva99 2 года назад
@@orangedalmatian Yes people don’t really change. We’ve been the same in every way obviously for hundreds of thousands of years. (Probably even longer) But society does change and become more complex. This has been especially true for the 20th century and onwards. Many of the problems we face today are completely unique. No humans have ever faced them except us currently. Learning from history only takes us so far…
@orangedalmatian
@orangedalmatian 2 года назад
@@fellipedasilva99 This is true yes, I'm not denying that. But I also wasn't talking about it in the first place. That is a different issue entirely.
@jaymo2638
@jaymo2638 2 года назад
@@orangedalmatian facts and small details like that way of thinking is how so many are mislead/ brainwashed, i’m pretty sure they know the truth just not putting it out there, without ancestors involved they act like people couldn’t function (cavemen) but with ancestors involved it’s like they were way more advanced than we are today… and the reason we aren’t as advanced is because who knows what went on i’m going with those civilizations were destroyed whether it had been self-conflict or conflict from others, but again what you said was facts
@LordWyatt
@LordWyatt 2 года назад
Personally I saw more similarities with the late republic: the senate bettering themselves and their little group in the capital at the expense of land owners. No, it’s not the same I know but it may proceed into an authoritarian regime of some kind…just concerning Edit: you nailed it
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 2 года назад
Weimar Republic here we come!
@rqche6689
@rqche6689 2 года назад
@@ManiacMayhem7256 that worked well
@bitcoinzoomer9994
@bitcoinzoomer9994 2 года назад
Thank god the second amendment guarantees that could never happen.
@somethingcryptic1397
@somethingcryptic1397 2 года назад
@@bitcoinzoomer9994 that's funny
@bitcoinzoomer9994
@bitcoinzoomer9994 2 года назад
@@somethingcryptic1397 We have a continent, millions of people, and a gun behind every blade of glass. We might fall into civil war and even balkanize after the collapse, but it is impossible for anyone to ever tyrannize such a population. Nothing can rule tyrannically over an armed population.
@ZxZ239
@ZxZ239 2 года назад
Also pride and arrogance, Roman probably think they are the gods chosen people, while American exceptionalism think they world cannot survive without us. This extremely entitlement made them lazy and easily dismiss it's rivals that are becoming strong
@TominusMaximus
@TominusMaximus 2 года назад
I am pretty sure Romans had thought that their entire history, even when they were a small city state.
@forickgrimaldus8301
@forickgrimaldus8301 2 года назад
@@TominusMaximusto be fair the US can be argued from the very begining has the "Shining city on a Hill" mentality since their independence.
@NikephorosCaesar
@NikephorosCaesar 2 года назад
But it’s thru tho if america suddenly withdrew as the world police the power vacuum would plunge the world into military and political chaos economies that have gotten used to not spending on military because big US protected them would find themselves in big trouble as they are forced to spend on military and can no longer afford their universal healthcare they like to brag about plus the world would find itself in an new age of empires as European powers African nations etc no longer are under the supervision of the US as it focuses on the Americas exclusively and perhaps takes back its nukes if it doesn’t sell them to its Allie’s first.
@forickgrimaldus8301
@forickgrimaldus8301 2 года назад
@@NikephorosCaesar Russia and China: Yesssss
@NikephorosCaesar
@NikephorosCaesar 2 года назад
@@forickgrimaldus8301 Yes for China but I wouldn’t really worry about Russia its population is dying which is why it’s getting aggressive with Ukraine but ultimately will lose Siberia and even more population if it comes into conflict with Ukraine ironically
@vincentadelbertirigoienboy3182
@vincentadelbertirigoienboy3182 2 года назад
"The US lacks soft power" is the kind of affirmation you hear on youtube, understand what the person is trying to say, and you still wanna throw yourself out of a balcony, just the soft power that is dispersed through american culture as movies, books, videosgames and even youtube videos is incomparable with any other country in the world. I as a Brazilian was learning about the american war of independence before any brazilian history because of cartoons... The government may lack soft power, but the country itself HAS IT.
@Mr.Byrnes
@Mr.Byrnes 2 года назад
Great comment
@geth7112
@geth7112 2 года назад
that's the us greats power is its soft power.
@MALICEM12
@MALICEM12 2 года назад
The important thing to remember with this is that is all momentum that is no longer being kept up. You may feel the ripples in the water from an America of yesteryear. But the America of today is making less and less ripples. But the ones you feel so far away are always behind. Just like looking at a star, you are seeing it from millions of years ago.
@dasenya1761
@dasenya1761 2 года назад
@@MALICEM12 That’s not true in my last three years of traveling I have seen nothing but increasing American influence if anything
@eVill420
@eVill420 2 года назад
yeah they have pop culture on their side, much like the Romans... I imagine that if you lived in Persia you'd be learning about the Romans at the same time as about your nation.
@Fragatron
@Fragatron 2 года назад
"History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes."
@Cruzgarcia607
@Cruzgarcia607 5 месяцев назад
History never changes only its players do
@forickgrimaldus8301
@forickgrimaldus8301 2 года назад
Similarities in a nutshell 1.Political Polarization 2. Tribalism 3. Ignorance of external issues (foreign politics in general) 4 .lack of faith/ineffective military 5. Inflation You can even add Immigration as the Romans find it very hard to even feed Rome itself and even integrated the Germanic tribes. (very poorly I might add)
@forickgrimaldus8301
@forickgrimaldus8301 2 года назад
@Graf von Losinj not really nobody is that much of an evil genius
@scutumfidelis1436
@scutumfidelis1436 2 года назад
@@forickgrimaldus8301 and yet Google proves it with every single civil rights search.
@somedudes6455
@somedudes6455 2 года назад
Tribalism? How? You can't really make a comparison with 3 because during all of the romans history (byzantine excluded) there was no external issues to care about. What do you mean by faith? Do you mean in the military? Or religious faith? Either way their both incorrect. And we do have an effective military. Inflation happens everyday so... that doesn't mean anything.
@AxenfonKlatismrek
@AxenfonKlatismrek 2 года назад
I am more worried about Europe considering it suffers from similar issues as Ancient Greeks(Low birthrates, apathy to real life, degradation of art, ignorant officials and more.), but with USA, FUCK EM! I dont care, they cause enough problems we have to deal with, FUCK EM! America is the only country in the world i say "You know what? Burn it.". The only hope for modern day Europe is Russia and Eastern Europe
@ManiacMayhem7256
@ManiacMayhem7256 2 года назад
Yeah they let the Germans in but didn't bother to integrate them properly and even tried to suck them dry like loan sharks. This of course led to much resentment from people like Alaric
@voicelessglottalfricative6567
@voicelessglottalfricative6567 2 года назад
English is arguably the most dominant language, just like how Latin dominated Europe, and, even in areas where Rome didn't conquer, many people still spoke Latin as an educated language, sort of like how foreign nations who use English for common communication don't actually regularly speak English among their peers.
@obabas80
@obabas80 2 года назад
Latin never really dominated Europe, though. Don’t forget that Greek was the dominant language in most of Eastern Europe, Anatolia and even North Africa and the levant during Rome’s reign.
@voicelessglottalfricative6567
@voicelessglottalfricative6567 2 года назад
@@obabas80 Latin absolutely did dominate Europe, or at least in my opinion, as this is kind of subjective. People began to use it commonly in many formerly Roman territories, and it even remained as an "educated" or liturgical language in other parts, like the Holy Roman Empire.
@voicelessglottalfricative6567
@voicelessglottalfricative6567 2 года назад
@@obabas80 But yes, Greek began to dominate among the South and East Slavs as well as in the Middle East and Anatolia. Latin dominated the West, Greek in the East.
@obabas80
@obabas80 2 года назад
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 Agreed. Latin absolutely dominated, but imo more so in Western Europe. So much so that it completely supplanted Ancient Iberian languages, languages of Gaul, Dacian languages in areas of modern day Romania etc etc, but it never took hold at all in the Greek east. On the contrary, many Romans in Rome itself, especially the elite actually spoke Greek as a strong second language (Caesar himself most notably). And yes, the Slavic tribes were greatly influenced by Greek. It’s evident in their Cyrillic alphabet most apparently, but then again even the Latin alphabet comes from the Greek.
@voicelessglottalfricative6567
@voicelessglottalfricative6567 2 года назад
@@obabas80 Actually, one thing I've found VERY interesting is that regional variations of Latin quite literally sound like a modern day person from the area trying to speak Latin, even with regions that have non-Romance languages today like Germany. This has led me to believe that the pronunciations of these regional dialects (which influenced Latin into evolving into its later forms, consequently the Romance languages) were actually pronounced in a way that was influenced by the former language. So it's very possible that Gauls and Iberians had very similar accents to modern day French and Spaniards. It makes sense, considering Vulgar Latin mainly evolved from rural versions of Latin. Many of the people in these rural areas were natives, however they eventually picked up Latin, albeit with an accent. When the Roman cities fell, the only source of Latin was these countrymen, those who spoke in a vulgar rural dialect. So, ironically, if my theory is correct, the former languages did have a major impact and didn't *just* die out.
@laughsatchungus1461
@laughsatchungus1461 2 года назад
I feel like romes biggest problem was that after maximinus thrax’s reign, any general with a reasonably sized army could declare themselves imperator and become a usurper, which doesnt really apply to America. Politicians and generals aren’t the same thing in this country, thank the gods.
@arx3516
@arx3516 2 года назад
For now.
@nutterinherbutter5080
@nutterinherbutter5080 2 года назад
*Cough cough DOUGLAS MACARTHUR *Cough cough
@rear9259
@rear9259 2 года назад
US has very effectively pushed the idea of any obvious tyranny as an innate evil. Manly through WW2 I.e Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and Japan, and to a lesser extent in WW1
@sleepyguy4237
@sleepyguy4237 2 года назад
I fucking hate myself and you for remembering that profile pic.
@darktyrannosaurus22
@darktyrannosaurus22 2 года назад
Billionaires and High Bureaucrats are the Generals of North Sea Germanic Civilization. Imagine Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, the BlackRock CEO or Klaus Schwab buying the Country for himself.
@septimiusseverus343
@septimiusseverus343 2 года назад
19:10 Love how as the emperor is pouring out worthless hunks of metal, the Christian is grinning like a kid in the gaming store.
@orangedalmatian
@orangedalmatian 2 года назад
he's just happy the emperor isn't feeding him and his family to colosseum lions anymore.
@fellipedasilva99
@fellipedasilva99 2 года назад
@@orangedalmatian Well yeah especially when the Emperors started becoming Christians, that kinda stopped happening lol…
@marysia5365
@marysia5365 2 года назад
You should also mention about feudalisation. In the late roman empire poor peasants became more and more dependent to rich land owners, which achieved It's peak in middle ages as what we call as serfdom, which was the basic of feudalism. The same thing happening today, but today we are more and more dependent to corporation owners.
@Joleyn-Joy
@Joleyn-Joy 2 года назад
True, but contrary to corporations feudalism is more "broken", decentralised.
@marysia5365
@marysia5365 2 года назад
@@Joleyn-Joy Depends where and when. In some places it was pretty centralised.
@alternateperson6600
@alternateperson6600 2 года назад
Feudalism wasn't ubiquitous in the Middle Ages; it was a French thing.
@scutumfidelis1436
@scutumfidelis1436 2 года назад
Worldly Corporate lords with no loyalty to its constituents, Unlike your average feudal lord.
@MK_ULTRA420
@MK_ULTRA420 2 года назад
@@scutumfidelis1436 There was no loyalty between lord and serf, only fealty from the serf. The average feudal lord's constituents were other lords, the crown, the church, their soldiers, and the merchant and artisan classes. Serfs were only above slaves and livestock. I'd rather not have to bend the knee for Lord Bezos.
@unclesam5230
@unclesam5230 2 года назад
The Byzantine Empire WAS THE ROMAN EMPIRE!
@emperorofwends8875
@emperorofwends8875 2 года назад
And 1453 was an inside job
@kbassassin8308
@kbassassin8308 2 года назад
That depends on your definition of "Roman" by the 13th century AD the last Roman Emperor to rule the East was defeated and killed by the Greek Empire of Nicaea who were the Palailogos. They were the ones who first coined the phrase "Byzantine Empire" & the culture "Greek" before that the Eastern Roman Empire was ruled by Latin/Roman Emperors and since they were the only Romans left they just called themselves the Roman Empire from 476-1204 AD till the Empire split after the sack of Constantinople by the Venetians during the 4th Crusade, after that the Empire split between: Latin Empire of Constantinople (which was Latin/Roman), Empire of Nicaea (which was Hellenistic/Greek), Empire of Trebizond (which was Hellenistic/Greek), Despot of Epirus (which was Hellenistic/Greek), & Despot of Achaea (which was Hellenistic/Greek). And the Empire of Nicaea reunified the Empire under the Hellenistic/Greek Palailogos Dynasty. So no the Byzantine Empire was not the "Roman Empire" it was a Hellenistic Empire or Greek Empire. And to clarify why I'm using the word Hellenistic instead of Greek is because before the Byzantines coined that phrase anyone from ancient Greece where called by their city state (ex: Sparta=Spartans etc.) But after Alexander they referred to them by the whole Peninsula they all lived on what we call Greece they called Hellas, so everyone there were referred to as Hellenes or Hellenics not Greek. Even more so Hellenic is based on same cultural beliefs and religious beliefs there is no "Greek" people since every Hellenic were originally different tribes that just copied their neighbors cultures and religions, the tribes were: Dorians, Ionians, Aeolians, Boeotians, Makedonians, & Molossians. Dorians mainly were in the Peloponnese such as Sparta, Corinth, Argos, etc. Aeolians were the Thessalonians, Boeotians were Thebes and the other cities in Boeotia, Ionians were Athens, Makedonians were the people under Alexander the Great (he and his family being Argeads who were from Argos), and Molossians the people of Epirus.
@nobodycares6881
@nobodycares6881 2 года назад
@@kbassassin8308 The so called "Byzantine Empire" never existed it was always the Roman empire don't come with some stupid explanations
@centercannothold
@centercannothold 2 года назад
The Holy Roman Empire beg to differ
@yaboidex4000
@yaboidex4000 2 года назад
The least roman but the most Greek and Roman by politics and by this time they did not even look nothing like the Roman Empire once did
@mario_1683
@mario_1683 2 года назад
One of the best videos ive seen in a long time.
@legateelizabeth
@legateelizabeth 2 года назад
Today's America is much more like Carthage than Rome. Carthage was a breakaway republic from a merchant marine empire (Phonecians) just like America. While the Republican Roman government was mostly an oligarchy of old rich families, citizens could achieve status by military or civil valour. In Carthage, political power was given only to those who had money, regardless of how old the money was, or how it was acquired. Towards its demise, the military became less of a Citizen army and more of a private militia to enforce overseas investments. The Romans took land and made it theirs. They created a foundation for long term colonialism and hegimony. Carthage merely concerned itself with controlling its merchant interests. Personal gain and greed always superceded the greater good. It managed to remain mostly uninvaded, but was eventually milked to death by foreign debt and overseas conflict. Its slow death was the result of gradual attrition and fiscal compromise. Till the day it was destroyed, Carthage still thought it was superior to Rome. In many ways it was. America has not met its Rome yet. But it will.
@scutumfidelis1436
@scutumfidelis1436 2 года назад
Also add the child sacrifice to the bull. We do that here too.
@darktyrannosaurus22
@darktyrannosaurus22 2 года назад
America is mercantile talassocracy with an economy based on trade and debt lending, just like Carthage. By the way, illegal immigration and refugee resettlement is camouflaged slave trade.
@pelinalwhitestrake3367
@pelinalwhitestrake3367 2 года назад
I wonder who will be America's Rome? Russia? China? Maybe a new growing superpower?
@aegonii8471
@aegonii8471 2 года назад
Yes but not quite. Whereas most of Carthage’s power was centered around its city America has numerous bases of power within its own borders. Not to mention we have our own military and don’t primarily rely on mercenaries. New York, Los Angeles, Miami, Houston etc. and a sizable population to draw manpower from. I think America would much more resemble Rome during the 2nd century AD. The Liberal cities I named above resemble Italy during this time period and also like Rome America has large swaths of rural land with a distinct military culture in various parts of the south and Midwest. Most of Rome’s best troops would come from the more rural areas like Illyricum and Hispania.
@talaverajr391
@talaverajr391 10 месяцев назад
This is why I get annoyed when people glorify 'Romes Military Tactical Genius'. They literally won battles mainly because they just kept buuilding armies. Hannibal was the real military tactical genius.
@duartecosta6669
@duartecosta6669 2 года назад
Great vid :) Learned a lot of new stuff Tough I think you got it wrong when it came to the Romans and their geographical knowledge,it wasnt a matter of ignorance but more of a dificulty of keeping up with costant changes, when it comes to the Parthians for example, the Sassanids where a noble persian house that took power while the parthian noble houses where fighting eachother,and even then the parthian kings bent over backwards to please their persian subject and copied almost every aspect from persian customs, calling them persians/parthians/sassanids is pretty similar, Khosrow II and Shapur both where pretty sure they where sucessors to the Achaemid empire since they where trying to reconquer it. I do recall reading Zosimus and seing him call the goths that killed Decius Scythians, and that bugged me, but then I realized that the Goths dwelled on the same place the Scythians dwelled while they where in existence, so basically if you where a Roman and a barbarian tribe took over and merged with the barbarian tribe you used to know, perhaps you wouldnt immediatly start calling them Goths and stick with the old name. The barbarian "states" where chaotic and prone to migrations due to pressures from neighbour tribes so with such instability the Romans probably had a dificult time keeping up with all the changes, the Suevi where the biggest menace in Gaul during Caesar's conquest, but then we learn that during the administration of Augustus they where established in Bohemia (near Poland)if im not mistaken , they migrated from northern france to poland,very unstable.
@kbassassin8308
@kbassassin8308 2 года назад
Technically the Suevi/Suebi were a confederation of tribes that were Suebic Germanic, such as the Semnoni tribe who were the ones that migrated to Gaul during Caesar's invasion. However others remained in Western Poland, the barbarians in Bohemia were the Boii Celts where the name Bohemia comes from meaning "Land of Boii" eventually a Cherusci tribe called the Quadi moved in and assimilated the Boii, and eventually the Venedians(Western Slavs) moved in and assimilated both the Germanic Quadi & Celtic Boii which made the unique culture of Czech a mix of Celtic, Germanic, & Western Slavic tribes
@bc7138
@bc7138 2 года назад
I was under the impression that the late Roman insistence on using outdated & incorrect names for tribes and various 'barbarian' peoples was simply a literary trope fashionable amongst the aristocrats. For the late Roman aristocrat the literature of the republican & Principate periods was a standard to be imitated, so they ended up using old terminology to link the past with (what was to them) the present. It didn't just extend to naming tribes or foreign peoples. Ammianus Marcellinus uses outdated military terminology when writing about the army of his day. You can even see this in the 'Byzantine' Strategikon by the emperor Maurice. He continued to use terms like 'Centurio' and so on, when such terms had fallen out of use in everyday life among the common people. The aristocrats and well-to-do of the late Roman period saw themselves as a direct continuation of the 'glorious' republican and Augustan ages and so they insisted on using archaic language and grammar, even as the everyday Latin of the common people began to very slowly change around them. So it might be a weird feature of late Roman literary culture rather than a lack of geographical or anthropological knowledge on the part of the late Romans. Or at least that's was my understanding from Peter Heather. I must admit though I read his stuff over a decade ago and I may have misunderstood his point or the info has gotten garbled up in my brain in the intervening decade. Any expert able to confirm if this is or isn't the case?
@duartecosta6669
@duartecosta6669 2 года назад
@@bc7138 I don't think you will find experts on a youtube comment section XD I don't know if centurio had fallen out of use,just because there where Comtes and Duxes I don't know if all former military terms had changed,I never read Peter Heather so I cant really say
@businessandwarfare
@businessandwarfare 2 года назад
16:30 Notice the squinting zoomer without glasses. Nice detail.
@aserher215
@aserher215 2 года назад
This is gold!! Thank you!!
@wearandtear6692
@wearandtear6692 2 года назад
History repeats itself in different ways: Love the point with the coins! Great job on that video, you must be the coolest history teacher ever.
@jackstone112
@jackstone112 2 года назад
I think there is 1 more parallel. Roman's in the late empire where much less focused on being good people, good citizens and indulged in pleasure far more. The belive in its history diminishing and values. Americans today I think you can argue are far less then the ones before. In spirit , morals and overall values. Prioritising pleasure and short term goals beyond anything else.
@Pan_Z
@Pan_Z 2 года назад
I've heard this referred to as "luxury beliefs." When a people are so (comparatively) prosperous they forget what hardships exist in the world. Virtues, morals, and a sense of duty that mold strong men are replaced by a sense of entitlement. I can't imagine America today fighting something like WWII. So much of the population wouldn't tolerate any sort of discomfort, even if it left the world a better place. America's not perfect by any means, but is much better off than most of the world.
@MrAsianPie
@MrAsianPie 2 года назад
PREACH
@ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER
@ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER 2 года назад
@@Pan_Z I mean. You guys are in for a civil war. If this was eu4, and I was playing China... And nukes weren't real. I'd definitely carve up the country and get me some colonies. But seriously tho. You are heading for a civil war. Israel got too arrogant because of your aid... Iran is about to get nukes.. You're ruining the both of us.
@firemedic1648
@firemedic1648 2 года назад
@@Pan_Z The Japanese thought the same thing about the Americans before they attacked in 1941
@ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER
@ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER 2 года назад
@@firemedic1648 That's a false comparison. The Japanese thought that about every other people on earth. Not just the US. It seems you ignored what they did in China.
@TheKing-qz9wd
@TheKing-qz9wd 2 года назад
"Iconoclasts" you say. Mic Gordon will be immortalized as our anthem on a dark day we must stop such an event.
@BanditoBurrito
@BanditoBurrito 2 года назад
Thank you for being objective. It’s mentally exhausting living life here and dealing with insane people and then going online to hear more about how the country is falling apart.
@juwebles4352
@juwebles4352 2 года назад
this, the objectivity and lack of obvious prejudice in this video was like finding an oasis in the middle of the scorpion filled desert that is youtube, the internet, and most conversations in general
@SSMAN288
@SSMAN288 2 года назад
it is
@nutterinherbutter5080
@nutterinherbutter5080 2 года назад
@@SSMAN288 go touch some grass boi
@dr.phylisphical9294
@dr.phylisphical9294 2 года назад
@@nutterinherbutter5080 is everything still fine???
@nutterinherbutter5080
@nutterinherbutter5080 2 года назад
@@dr.phylisphical9294 no I feel like I eat an apple a day, but thanks for asking Doctor Phylisphical
@lucaschiantodipepe2015
@lucaschiantodipepe2015 2 года назад
As a Roman I'm impressed about the big amount of symbols in the USA : eagles topping the flag staff (like in the Rome ensigns), Latin used everywhere also in the states' flags. Fasces as emblem of the senate. (this symbol here is prohibited de jure becouse associated with the fascism). More, you have the Capitol, from the Roman Capitolium (the place of the Rome city council).
@MALICEM12
@MALICEM12 2 года назад
Remember, most of the Founding Father's were free masons. So there is a lot of Greco-Roman and Egyptian inspiration. But also America itself was basically a fusion of the English system and of the Roman republic.
@joncavalier8875
@joncavalier8875 Год назад
I didn't know that, thanks history.house.gov/Education/Fact-Sheets/Rostrum-Fact-Sheet2/#:~:text=The%20bronze%20fasces%2C%20representing%20a,together%20by%20a%20red%20strap. Though these days Feaces might be a better emblem
@lollius88
@lollius88 6 месяцев назад
Italians trying to not larp as Romans challenge :
@Kilometerboy23
@Kilometerboy23 4 месяца назад
You are not a Roman😭
@JayzsMr
@JayzsMr 2 года назад
Pretty much nailed it. The capacy for collective action is key and that necessary includes sacrifice. Once that starts to deteriorate plus many other factors the empire starts to disintegrate. There is actually a lot of scientific work done on the common principles as to why empires fall . They all have something in common no matter the time period and capacity for collective action is one key aspect. And you are absolutely spot on on what made the Romans spacial , it was neither their tactics nor the weapons in the beginning but their ability to accept casualties no matter how high until the eventually won , which was completely alien to the ancient world . Normally after one or two big battles you would start to negotiate. Not the Romans . You should read the work of Peter Turchin if you haven't already.
@TonyFontaine1988
@TonyFontaine1988 2 года назад
Another good video again. Keep going my friend.
@mwolfe1215
@mwolfe1215 2 года назад
As someone studying history, it's very rare to be informed and have a laugh at the same time. You have a great channel and I immediately click on every video! This video was a really cool exercise in learning from the past and comparing government strategies. But personally I think that while this works for specifics, trying to make such general connections spanning the entirety of the two states doesn't work too well. For example, the degrading of Rome's coin bullion value has an absolutely perfect parallel to when the mint did the exact same thing in 1965 converting all of the silver coins to copper-nickel. The same thing happened and people horded coins. They did it so much that there was a national coin shortage and the mint began all kinds of weird policies to try and fight that like taking the mint marks off of all coins for three years. Today you will pretty much never see a dime or a quarter with a date 1964 or before even though the two coins haven't changed otherwise since 1932 and 1946. But while we can learn lessons from Rome's mistakes in specifics it doesn't really translate well to general modern policies. Whereas it seems like the Roman currency essentially failed because of this, in a post gold standard and bullion coin world the consequences of these decisions aren't really the same at all. Today all American coins really don't have any inherent value at all and nobody really cares. What I'm trying to say is that it's a really interesting and entertaining thought experiment to compare the two and find parallels and so on. It works great for specifics, I actually wholeheartedly agree that there is a lot to be learned from the very comparisons you bring up in this video. I'm a big fan of learning from history. But the larger and more general meaning that can be derived from these comparisons and the more disimilar the comparisons are, the more risky and improbable the conclusions and the more you start to compare apples to oranges. The modern world of nation-state and supranational diplomacy is difficult to compare directly and while the situations may be the same, the reasoning behind them both from the government and the people is ever changing. All in all a great and thought provoking video, can't wait for the next one! This channel is criminally underrated!
@Mobius1105
@Mobius1105 2 года назад
I agree. I think most of the comparisons in the video are fair, but it has to be understood that most of the problems in Rome were shared by many countries both in the modern day, and throughout history. It’s easy to spot similarities, but to perform real analysis it’s important to pay attention to differences as well. Despite the similarities, there are a huge number of differences between Rome and the United States that make it clear that America (and the world generally) actually did learn something from the failures of Rome. The best examples I can think of are a much stronger civilian control over the military, and separation of religious institutions from the government apparatus. These comparisons are useful, but imo only when combined with examinations of differences as well. There were real lessons learned that put the modern world in a better place than the classical, but some problems never seem to go away.
@awesomeapostolic4492
@awesomeapostolic4492 2 года назад
Finally, I was hoping someone would make a video like this. I'm glad it was you, I really enjoyed it.
@buymybooks437
@buymybooks437 2 года назад
One of the best videos you've done so far. Bravo.
@psyche1646
@psyche1646 2 года назад
For the army and the us no accepting a lot of casualties i think you forget that WW2 and more recent wars are completely different. WW2 was global between many modern armies of the time so casualties were expected to be high, however a war like Afghanistan was suppose to be a "get in, get out" situation which pissed a lot of people off when countless lives were lost
@ffls775
@ffls775 2 года назад
Probably the same could be said about the romans and the punic war
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland Год назад
Most commanders in World War II were incompetent. That goes for both the Axis and Allied forces. The names of the Generals we still remember were not geniuses. They were just *competent.*
@diesirae9223
@diesirae9223 2 года назад
Dam pretty good video, i love the edition overall
@TaintedFaith88
@TaintedFaith88 2 года назад
Lots of laughs from this. Thanks bro! awesome vid
@Stoneworks
@Stoneworks 2 года назад
I loved this video
@oscardelafuente8649
@oscardelafuente8649 2 года назад
Love your content
@dakotadurham4788
@dakotadurham4788 2 года назад
Funny seeing you here, guess you're completely and utterly based
@SamuelHallEngland
@SamuelHallEngland 2 года назад
Praetorian happily chilling on the floor is really funny and relevant.
@MadMacGeopolitics
@MadMacGeopolitics 2 года назад
This is becoming my new favorite channel, so based.
@TheSwedishHistorian
@TheSwedishHistorian 2 года назад
Well fancy seeing you here
@MadMacGeopolitics
@MadMacGeopolitics 2 года назад
@@TheSwedishHistorian oh hey
@yuanchunjiang7946
@yuanchunjiang7946 Год назад
Am very impressed by all of your works! Thank you for sharing
@rhetoric5173
@rhetoric5173 2 года назад
the difference in the economy is that the US can do that by pegging the dollar to raw materials that are fungible (petrodollar), while gold can be melted and reminted so devaluing is not comparable.
@the11382
@the11382 2 года назад
You forget about climate change and oil prices. Sooner or later America has to kick the oil out.
@YourStylesGeneric321
@YourStylesGeneric321 2 года назад
@@the11382 climate change lol
@putinpunhere
@putinpunhere 2 года назад
Well... it is one of the more fair and accurate representations I seen.
@matejabrkic7747
@matejabrkic7747 2 года назад
I feel like you got a huge timeline and choose things that fit. Not that i don't see it, but its such a long time period that (maybe) you can find what ever you want. I could for example say that the fact that the romans became more socialist casued its collapse (bread for poor), or that climate change caused its collapse (casued migration of people south), or i can say migrants casued the roman collapse (germans in the army). You can probably fit any political narative you like...
@sylviethetg7598
@sylviethetg7598 2 года назад
Nah the socialistic policies were band-aids not the cut itself that lead to Rome's fall. It kept the hungry masses content, but why is it that the masses were hungry in the first place? *Cough, cough, slavery and the rich*
@LMMEntertainment
@LMMEntertainment 2 года назад
yes, bread and circusses were exactly what rome in late 4th century needed. more money wasted. but of course hurr durr rich people bad hurr durr it's all their fault.
@sylviethetg7598
@sylviethetg7598 2 года назад
@@LMMEntertainment yes, they needed food to keep them alive or they'd revolt, and they couldn't get jobs because slaves outcompeted them.
@game_boyd1644
@game_boyd1644 2 года назад
@@LMMEntertainment you consider it money wasted that poor people got to eat and not fucking starve to death? As opposed to money well spent on what? Funding the Army to "protect" a starving population?
@constantinethecataphract5949
@constantinethecataphract5949 2 года назад
All of those especially the last one definitely played some role
@greengrugach1984
@greengrugach1984 2 года назад
Mate, how you haven't got more subs is beyond me, respect from Ireland, that letter from that soldier to his missus.....heartwarming, proper romantics.
@cageybee7221
@cageybee7221 2 года назад
the biggest parallel imo is the incredible centralization of wealth and ownership in the hands of a handful of oligarchs to the detriment of the whole government, economy, and society. it is the mark of the downfall of almost every majour long-lived empire in history.
@MrGreenTabasco
@MrGreenTabasco 2 года назад
I heavily disagree with your take on the "focus on casualties" that is "limiting" the US and Roman forces. You completely neglect the question of why these casualty numbers back then were acceptable, and not later on. The ability to sustain losses and keep going is tied to, among other things, the public acceptance of these sacrifices. The fight against the Japanese was seen in a completely different light by the population than the fight in Afghanistan. In late Rome, the political and public participation system was totally fucked, with emperors dying one after another, which makes it really hart for any politician to go: "yeah, that battle didn't went well, but we'll get em next time." Its not so much a question of "will" but more if a society can answer the question of any recruit: "Why the fuck am I fighting?" A good example into the other direction would be the combat against the IS, where nearly all major political camps in the west were pro fighting them. Of course, that conflict was mostly done by "auxiliary" forces, but the fact that the opponents of the then president where not so much focused on "if" he should fight them, but more if his strategy is doing well, speaks for itself.
@vaderbuckeye36
@vaderbuckeye36 2 года назад
There is also the question of how big of a threat is. Carthage and Japan were viewed as direct threats to the Roman/American people. Were the viet cong and jagurtha or mithradates direct threats to rome/US?
@phillipholland6795
@phillipholland6795 2 года назад
@@vaderbuckeye36 It's hard to say, I mean they used the imaginary WMD excuse to invade and destroy Iraq. I'm sure the end will be just like Rome's
@wownice1771
@wownice1771 2 года назад
​@@vaderbuckeye36 On the question of vietcong? Not really but there's a fear among everybody else that if vietnam falls to communism, there would be a domino effect that would take place, threatening America's influence over the world and itself.
@damavlog1983
@damavlog1983 2 года назад
History cannot repeat it self as time and technology changes but it can and dose rhyme with a rhythm of war and blood of the innocence. With instruments of terribly ternary. Composed vocals of crying discontent of the poor, and wailing of mothers over their dead children and crys of for fathers who begins to rise of justice. Befor the curtains of silence. And the fallen become rumor. Rumors become sayings sayings become history history becomes dust. As they are forgotten. And we begin the cycles once more. With no recollection of this song that echoes history.
@drusik
@drusik 2 года назад
Demographics: The weird thing about the demographics of gender populations is that yes, the 49.5 / 50.5% applies nationwide, but in NYC (where I live), I notice an 8 to 1 male to female ratio. If you walk past a high school, you'll see 8 - 12 guys flocking around 1 girl, because they don't have any other choice to follow others. A college classroom of even Liberal Arts (forget Computer Programming where females count for 1%), there is 80-20% male to female ratio.. That's why in NYC guys started over the last decade trying to hit on underage girls, others became incels, I doubt Rome had this issue. International Relations: The similarity I see between Rome and the US is that Rome will find any reason to "Defensively" attack a nation or tribe. The US does it similarly in terms of "Defending the Liberties of the People", a false-flag and propagandized reasons to achieve greater agenda (such as "defending" Ukraine to specifically target Russia, and defending "Taiwan and South China Sea" to target China"). Wars: 1 thing I disagree with the author of this video is when he mentions US casualties during Okinawa. There are 2 key differences that I see with that issue. 1. The US was a draft army back then as opposed to a contract army now, where more investment is put into the individual soldier and thus 1 casualty results in a greater net loss than in WWII or Korea or Vietnam. 2. Despite the 1st key difference, the US still received the least amount of deaths (around 420,000) compared to most other nations that were part of the war (including over 1 million Japs, 14 million USSR soldiers [not counting civilians], 10 milliom Chinese, 7 million Germans, etc). So statistically, they still did better than most nations. Politics: With how the author here mentioned that Roman citizens became focused on hating each other for different views or languages as opposed to hating the true enemies waiting outside, I see the same thing in NYC. With Liberals trying hard to promote diversity, they do it to such an extent where I see it being impossible to have any sort of "American" unity. In fact, I don't see almost anyone in NYC claiming to be an American, there's no Patriotism here, and since everybody comes from different backgrounds with different views, if there's ever a crisis here, I don't see people coming together to face it (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying diversity is the problem. The USSR was also diverse but there was more-so a sense of unity there). Economy: It's not that the US prints more money to attempt to stabilize the economy or circulate more value. It's that the US keeps "borrowing from itself / future self", the main US debt is debt to itself and its private sectors. The further cause for the inflation is after the USD became not being back by the gold standard, so only the USD backs the USD (and subsequently any other currency in the world), so printing more doesn't necessarily cause the inflation, but more-so of creditors and loans and so on. Conclusion: The more things change, the more they stay the same! I also really like the SPQR outline of Rome's territory. I've seen many times a USA flag over US territory but not Rome, so I find it unique.
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 2 года назад
Where you get that statistics?
@Venus03
@Venus03 2 года назад
@@blugaledoh2669 he literally used anecdotal evidence lmao
@KnafaLover
@KnafaLover 2 года назад
i live in nyc and this is not true at all lmao this nigga just doesnt hang out with girls
@drusik
@drusik 2 года назад
It isn't official statistics, it's what I personally see after living 23 years here.. It also depends on which borough of NYC, as the way I see it, each borough has more cultural and demographics differences than Eastern Europe nations do between each other.. I'm specifically in South Brooklyn, where it went from Italian to Chinese, with area's here and there of low-income African-American Government Housing, Orthodox Jews, Low-income Hispanics at Western South, and Ukrainian-Russian in Eastern South, and the cultural differences and / or language barriers (especially 1 particular mentioned group that shares a strict xenophobia mentality) gives even smaller choices of domestic females, or even in taste of a cultural identity or inability to pass a barrier. What adds to the fire is the modern mentality of "not appropriate to ask co-workers out" and "co-workers are strictly for work". I assume Manhattan has this issue to a lesser extent (because more tourists, more visitors from other boroughs, higher population), but in BK when going to say a bar or cinema or park, and ask random people if they are single or dating, many guys are single, and most women are always taken. And yes I had the same issue, that's why I went to Poland and found a wife there. This in part is also a reason why most New Yorkers are on some type of Anti-Depression Medication, depression from loneliness and lack of (true) friends. And my other theory is also that males are more likely to immigrate alone for a freah start while females likely immigrate to their families already here.
@Lusa_Iceheart
@Lusa_Iceheart 2 года назад
It's rare to find good points being made by person with a hammer and sickle in their profile pic. I used to have a good friend on the anarcho-communist end of things that I regularly had cordial debates with. Those fun intellectual exercises ceased when he became obsessed with the Critical Theory derived nonsense being used a wedge to drive people apart. We can't have a coherent debate and discussion to address the actual problems in America if we can't even agree on the basic idea of what America is. If we don't have one shared idea of what America is, we just get tribal bickering where the left will preach metoo while defending Bill Clinton and the right will preach law and order while the justice system itself is used against them. Everyone will be forced into different camps and we'll get some sort of balkanization and collapse. If I can't talk to the people who disagree with me without being labeled a racist (despite my great-great-great grandmother coming to America as an indentured servant on a plantation and the other half fleeing genocide in Soviet Ukraine), no conversation can be had as to how to fix our modern day problems, such as the absurd debt mountain and empty social security fund (two fun problems my generation will have to deal with). Basically, I would love to see more rational and real discussions coming from people I disagree with, so thank you for the reasonable comment.
@43sumfilmz1
@43sumfilmz1 2 года назад
I’m not an expert on Rome but I’m pretty knowledgeable about American military. I don’t believe that the US military is comparable with that of the Romans. The problem with the US military today isn’t that it can’t win or something but rather it can’t sit in places forever doing endless counter insurgency, and counter insurgency in the modern era is a lot harder because you won’t win much support for the war by leveling a village. Look at Vietnam for example, it was widely reported as a war where the US was just mindlessly bombing civilians, but if you look at the casualties attributable to Rolling Thunder it’s actually lower than you might think. Same with Iraq; according to the Iraq Body Count, the Coalition is responsible for around 7% of all civilian deaths. And yet, these are still often derided as civilian bloodbaths and US recklessness. The Romans to my understanding didn’t have this problem, at least nowhere close to the way the US has it, hell they crucified people and genocided Gaul for standing up to them. The Romans in my opinion were unable to achieve military victories against their enemies like for example Teutoburg Forest (if I remember correctly) which was a clear military defeat. The US hasn’t lost an actual battle in quite some time. The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were both enormous successes, and had the US invaded North Vietnam without Chinese interference (which was why this never happened) they probably would’ve won the war, the ensuing occupations were the problem. The Romans in Germania didn’t even really get a chance because their military campaign, invading and taking all of Germania, was itself a failure. Meanwhile for Iraq, which honestly I think was a US victory in the overall war, the invasion was an enormous success and the Iraqi military was destroyed in a matter of weeks, even with the Iraqis having known for months the US would be attacking them. As for casualties, firstly in the US there has always been some problem with casualties as there are in any democracy. The Civil War was very unpopular for a while, even as late as in 1864 during the whole scare with Jubel Early attacking Washington. The casualties were horrific and many people opposed it, but of course people eventually came to their senses. Casualties were also a big concern in WWII but with all wars I think victory was considered most important, like the Battle of Antietam was an absolute bloodbath with 22,000 casualties in one day (consider also that the population back then of the US both north and south was about 30M) and barely even a Union victory which was following a year of constant military failure yet it gave the American people massive hope and allowed for the Emancipation Proclamation. I do think that if there was a battle in Afghanistan that had a similar timetable as Okinawa and had a similar number of casualties it would be (rightly) outrageous because in Okinawa the IJA (and IJN I guess) was a professional and equipped military force whereas the terrorists in Afghanistan were as far as the average American is concerned some guys with Toyota trucks and AKs wearing sandals who live in mountains attacking the most powerful military machine in human history. We also need to account for the fact that in recent years combat deaths in wars have decreased dramatically due to a few reasons such as medical advances making the lost to wounded ratio much more favorable as well as that the US has generally been fighting NGOs which can’t fight in pitched battles against the US and when they do it ends for them like the Gulf War did for Iraq who attempted to beat the US in their own game. I think if we were at war right now with China or Russia and a battle ended with 20,000 American casualties, it would certainly be disgusting and shocking to the American public but since these are big powerful countries it would be understood that these losses aren’t unreasonably high. With all this said I thought this was a great video nonetheless!
@alexanderi1183
@alexanderi1183 2 года назад
The Romans did not commit a Genocide in Gaul. Only some tribes.
@josebenardi1554
@josebenardi1554 2 года назад
Teutoburg was a defeat, but a defeat preceded and followed by a series of victories. It's not as if the Romans lacked the logistical means. The Romans had decisively defeated widespread German opposition in a previous campaign by Tiberius to the point they mistakenly thought the Germanic tribes subdued. After Teutoburg, Arminius was defeated in battle twice by Germanicus. Tiberius had no interest in allowing Germanicus to do what Caesar did in Gallia, hell Germanicus was conveniently poisoned not long after. I think a comparison with Caesar's campaign in Gallia is appropriate because there were terrible Roman defeats like Gergovia and the entire 14th legion being wiped out after Caesar was betrayed by its Gallic allies (not unlike Teutoburg). Unlike in Germania, Caesar was willing to invest as much Roman steel and blood as necessary until the last Gallic tribe had keeled over. I think the comparison is fair to something like Afghan or Korea. Like Afghan, Germania was a tangle of groups where a superpower failed to achieve any real strategic goal. Hard to see Afghan as anything but a complete failure of the American Empire as Germania was a failure of the Roman one. "If the Chinese didn't intervene" is an unrealistic scenario akin to Roman thinking, "what if Arminius didn't galvanize the Cherusci against us?" The Korean War also sets the precedent of a technologically inferior nation (China at that point) fighting off the US to a standstill (Not unlike in Germania). The most crucial parallel in my mind is that both empires have established a precedent of getting involved in wars where no actual strategic goals are achieved (The Gulf war is a reasonable exception). All the while, its prestige is dragged in the mud. I don't think the world sees the US as it did before the Vietnam war, and the world certainly has shifted perception after the Afghan debacle. Not unlike Teutoborg, maybe worse as there are no eagles to be recovered.
@thedeviousduck8027
@thedeviousduck8027 2 года назад
The main difference is that the American military is far more loyal to the state itself than Roman legions, who were typically loyal only to the generals who paid them. I’m not sure if that’s a good or a bad thing…
@MK_ULTRA420
@MK_ULTRA420 2 года назад
@@thedeviousduck8027 The more glaring issue is that these modern wars have no end stage plan and have no intentions of annexing any land like in Ancient wars. Romans would build fortified towns for their veterans to live in. The American Sigma Male Military rebuilds entire cities that they themselves had bombed, just to leave while refusing to elaborate.
@xHASSUNAx
@xHASSUNAx 2 года назад
I'm actually surprised you didn't get into early American history where they, on purpose might I add, tried to replicate a Roman government. The founding fathers took classical civilization in College and many were um... the OG Imperium Boiis. I suggest everyone watching this look at the Cult of Washington. My Roman Civ professor from college years ago dedicated 20 minutes discussing how much of an impact Rome had on the founding of the USA.
@nekman8521
@nekman8521 2 года назад
But thats mainly because all western countries are based on roman culture though. So no matter what known style they woold chose they were getting a partially roman one, even though legally speaking both systems are fairly different, as the us used the anglo saxon system of law, not the french codificación process.
@xHASSUNAx
@xHASSUNAx 2 года назад
@@nekman8521 it was very intentional. No early modern nation represent the SPQR as much as the USA did in its founding
@nekman8521
@nekman8521 2 года назад
@@xHASSUNAx are you sure? I can't speak for all modern nations, but i think most latin american nations are even more romanized than the USA. In my home country (chile) at the time of independence, a large chunck of our legal code was the translated version of the roman one codified by Justinian. This is not to say that the USA was not influenced by Rome its culture, but I think (opinion), that the compromise between states was more prevalent than the founders ideals.
@Nobody32990
@Nobody32990 2 года назад
@@nekman8521 I think the matter here is not what was lifted directly but ideological framework and most importantly the spirit of the Republic early Rome represented. Most European countries lift direct elements of Rome (like law) but they rarely implement the soul of it.
@chideraalexanderdex547
@chideraalexanderdex547 2 года назад
@@xHASSUNAx the Americans really used more of a British parliamentary model and tweaked it. Even impeachment was gotten from British politics. Rome didn't have that
@OmarAlikaj
@OmarAlikaj 2 года назад
Romans to the Church: Libtard! Americans to the Church: Bigot! I don't know why, but this made my weekend. It's also a good example of how a non-issue yesterday would be seen as "problematic" today.
@dardick1213
@dardick1213 2 года назад
Okay things change what's the problem.
@dardick1213
@dardick1213 2 года назад
@Leon lionhardt it is but why do you think that?
@traviswebb3532
@traviswebb3532 2 года назад
Very interesting video. In my humble opinion your ideas were really good.
@Wolf_Larsen
@Wolf_Larsen 2 года назад
Great video as usual!
@flyguy3490
@flyguy3490 2 года назад
Saved me from my boredom thanks
@theamericancristero7390
@theamericancristero7390 2 года назад
How was your tour as a Limitanei?
@TominusMaximus
@TominusMaximus 2 года назад
Wonderful, the borders are in good hands.
@theamericancristero7390
@theamericancristero7390 2 года назад
@@TominusMaximus based and Trebia pilled.
@oldsnake1551
@oldsnake1551 2 года назад
My comment comparing the USA to Rome didn't make it into the video :( Great vid!
@samurai8698
@samurai8698 2 года назад
Oh this is gonna be fun.
@ontheline3077
@ontheline3077 2 года назад
Great insight, but cmon, callingIraqi and Afghan wars unprofitable is factually incorrect. Military industrial complex and private contractors made a fortune out of this.
@joshuagregoire9504
@joshuagregoire9504 Год назад
It was unprofitable really because the costs were too high. We spent trillions for something we couldn't even maintain long term
@parisalon7
@parisalon7 2 года назад
One issue I find that is crucial to mention that u didn’t was the dynamic of concentration of wealth and power to the wealthy/elite. Rome had the largest population in the world but many were stuck on wealthy plantations. The middle class in both empires gets squeezed and in turn the state becomes susceptible to outside pressures forcing collapse. First the inside rots and then it takes another force (say natural disaster or enemy nation) to topple the hegemon. Great video tho!!
@micahsheldon5557
@micahsheldon5557 2 года назад
This comment is what I was going to say. The destruction of the middle class, which provided wealth and soldiers led to poverty, serfdom, and outsourcing the military to barbarians. Elites in both countries got greedy and forgot where the wealth and power actually came from
@dutchvanderlinde5004
@dutchvanderlinde5004 2 года назад
Excellent video. Love your channel.
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 2 года назад
You really got me thinking, thanks!
@forumx-
@forumx- 2 года назад
I think its time the American continents are whipped into shape by some brilliant ambitious Man.
@nathancrever5161
@nathancrever5161 2 года назад
I call dibs on being American Justinian.
@davaemaximus9333
@davaemaximus9333 2 года назад
Dibs on Belisarius
@Razzor012YT
@Razzor012YT 2 года назад
i call dibs as well lol
@cray9419
@cray9419 2 года назад
Keep up the videos man just subbed
@TominusMaximus
@TominusMaximus 2 года назад
Thanks bro
@morganfreeman4961
@morganfreeman4961 2 года назад
This is the video I was looking for, it took an outsider to make me see these parallels fully
@tzarofgermany7462
@tzarofgermany7462 2 года назад
I Like what you done with this video, but I would say the comparison of military spending compared to overall budget is a poor piece of information to compare them on, as the US more overall government spending in comparison to their overall economy than the Romans did. I would say comparing them on military spending as a percentage of GDP, which according to Wikipedia is 2.5% for Rome (time not mentioned) and 3.8% for the US (2006). Thanks for the video.
@MC-gj8fg
@MC-gj8fg 2 года назад
In some ways the US is less of a Republic than Rome was during its republican era. The US executive branch consolidates an incredible amount of power into a single person who rules for a minimum of four years unless that person steps down or is impeached. In Rome, such power was diffused between two consuls who served for but a single year. Neither consul had a nuclear football. :P
@genedick272
@genedick272 2 года назад
Thank you for this.
@MonaLisaHasNoEyebrows
@MonaLisaHasNoEyebrows 2 года назад
Just found your channel and I’m addicted lmao
@xXCgi22Xx
@xXCgi22Xx 2 года назад
To be frank I don't think the late Roman Empire and the USA are a good comparison at all. A way better one would be the late Roman Republic, but even then the comparisons are only superficial.
@TonyFontaine1988
@TonyFontaine1988 2 года назад
The USA was literally modeled on the Roman republic
@samirmonako1527
@samirmonako1527 2 года назад
from 15:05 to 17 is the best part i think and it so real damn
@MarshalRedDog
@MarshalRedDog 2 года назад
Nailed it. Specially the part that they´re fighting each other more than external enemies. And they´ve abandoned the masses. The Golden Billion has become a Golden Million.
@austin0207
@austin0207 2 года назад
This is video I needed
@RealMadrid15UCLs
@RealMadrid15UCLs 2 года назад
You forgot to mention corrupt Leaders
@KommentarSpaltenKrieger
@KommentarSpaltenKrieger 2 года назад
If I'm not mistaken the whole scheme of giving current tribes the names of older ones wasn't as much a mistake as a convention based on a different outlook on the world. Tribal exonyms were tied to geography and thus any tribe coming from a certain region was the same as any ancient tribe coming from the same regions. There wasn't really anything similar to today's scientific mindset and Roman scholars thus had their peculiarities.
@bc7138
@bc7138 2 года назад
It was a long lasting tradition for the Romans.The 'Byzantine' Princess Anna Comnena refers to the largely Frankish armies that amassed at the walls of Constantinople during the First Crusade as 'Celts'. As for as she was concerned, whether they were Flemish, Frank or a Breton it didn't matter - it was the land of ancient Gaul, so they're Celts.
@KommentarSpaltenKrieger
@KommentarSpaltenKrieger 2 года назад
@@bc7138 Very interesting that this tradition carried over to the East Romans and even the 11th century.
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 2 года назад
goes to show how knowledge in history can give lots of insight into today
@johngaelnox5447
@johngaelnox5447 2 года назад
You nailed it amicus! Ave!
@Ghost23712
@Ghost23712 2 года назад
Great video! I think you could also do something similar regarding Rome's decline and fall of the republic with what is happening in the USA and a few other western countries as well. The rise of powerful men, the decline of institutions keeping the system working, increased loyalty to individuals rather than the state and so on. This channel has great potential and I can't wait to see more! Whenever I think about Rome and the USA/West today as counterparts, Spengler's "Decline of the west" comes to mind. Definitely a great read on how civilizations decline and fall. Cheers and as always keep up the good fight!
@albertdevivies4540
@albertdevivies4540 2 года назад
I think that you made serious mistake not talking about roman society evolution for youre "dead in battle arguments" , the roman Republic rely on levy/volunteer to do war. Thus big loses mater less. In the late roman Empire , the military has become much more professional and people just didnt want to go to war for religious but mainly economic reason. Thus solider were valuable , extremly valuable. If you had to that the fact that the Emperor himself was killed in the battle of Andrinipole you mention no wonder it was seen has a military disaster. So its not focus on casualty that was the problem in late rome.
@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen
@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen Год назад
👏🙂 Its still an amazing video to watch a year later
@g.v.6450
@g.v.6450 2 года назад
Ketchup: The Garum of the USA.
@rempuiafanai7103
@rempuiafanai7103 2 года назад
That last point on economy, the US dollar has more ways to fight inflation than Rome like Petro Dollar and Virtual currency(Bitcoin, etc). Notice how the value of those shot up when the US just printed money, thats where the inflation went. Also the US has a weapon called WallStreet that has regularly since 1991 harvested the wealth of the world. Examples are Japan in 1991, Uk in 1993, SEA in 1997, Russia in 1998. Recent ones I recall are Greece in 2008, Venezuela in 2012 and China in 2015. Those are all cases where WS with Federal support(via Interest rates) has used currency depreciation(dumping on Forex)+Shorting to sucker punch their economies. Stuff like this is why George Soros is always in conspiracy theories, because his Quantum Fund was always the spearhead on these operations. Story Time: The only moment Soros, speculators(banks+financial institutions) and hot money were defeated(as in lost money) was in 1997 Hong Kong because those HK tycoons with some help from China(since handover was happening) actually worked together instead of shorting their own Stock Market to make huge profits. Granted the Top 5 Richest were in traditional industries like Gold, Shipping, Malls, etc. that would suffer a lot if they didnt work together. And so after losing money in Hong Kong, they went to Russia. PS: This isnt some conspiracy where I tell you that everything was the fault of the "Jews" in WallStreet. Those economies were teetering on the edge, with low foreign reservers, huge debts and inflated stock markets. The Governments ignored those signs for more profit(hell Thailand was thinking of making an Asian Financial Hub like London), it was gonna crash and burn either way; WallStreet just nudged them off the cliff.
@eVill420
@eVill420 2 года назад
you say that, but how exactly does that stop inflation? bitcoin isn't owned by USA and can't be regulated by it, so its value has no real use. plus, people barely buy things with bitcoin so its value is artificial and will eventually crash when someone realizes that they need to dump their money fast and others follow
@randomlygeneratedname7171
@randomlygeneratedname7171 2 года назад
So it's only figuring out how to squeeze some more last drops out of a system doomed from the start.
@supernovaversion3.05
@supernovaversion3.05 Год назад
Petro dollor is dead.
@SusRing
@SusRing 2 года назад
Would be neat if you could tackle the differences between the US and the late Roman empire next
@UntoldHistoryAnimations
@UntoldHistoryAnimations 2 года назад
most of the points he talks about are from the late roman empire, there were some subjects that were from the republic era but most of it was in the 3rd-5th century problems
@myrealnamewontfi7289
@myrealnamewontfi7289 2 года назад
Sounds tedious
@SusRing
@SusRing 2 года назад
@@UntoldHistoryAnimations My best summary for Late Roman Empire problems is "Thank you Diocletian"
@parkerkemmerly7553
@parkerkemmerly7553 2 года назад
Amazing video!
@Madriddick101
@Madriddick101 2 года назад
Wish you would have tackled the Roads of the two empires and its similarities or differences. id love to see or hear your take on it.
@theeccentrictripper3863
@theeccentrictripper3863 2 года назад
I would compare the statue thing not to the Iconoclast controversy, which was an inter-Christian theological dispute, but to the earlier purging of pagan statuary and imagery from the cities throughout the empire. Iconoclasts take issue with imagery in principle, specifically of things they personally hold as sacred, whereas the Christian purging of pagan imagery was born of their perception of it as evil or demonically inspired in some way; in the same sense the radicals running around pulling down statues of Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln aren't doing it because they think they're too divine to be rendered artistically but because to them they're symbols of an evil past that must be purged. In a broader view the current culture war is a bad rehashing of the Pagan-Christian conflict of the late empire, radicals from a new religion believing the old system is evil and must be brought down so that those who suffered under its yoke can prosper batting proponents of the old way who believe in the empire and its gods. It goes even deeper with early Christendom often promoting a communal lifestyle and refusing to participate in society save to spread their religion, which largely appealed to the middle and upper classes who then used their institutional weight to slowly shift the cultural consensus from the old ways to Christianity. I hate reruns.
@alternateperson6600
@alternateperson6600 2 года назад
Based. You're totally right that the comparison is improper.
@Gallic_Gabagool
@Gallic_Gabagool 2 года назад
Who takes down statues of Lincoln???? Most of the ones I've seen are of Confederate losers from the Civil War...
@devingunnels3251
@devingunnels3251 2 года назад
Yeah, modern Americans waste so much energy fighting over political correctness and social justice, much the same way they argued over the different interpretations of Christianity.
@fellipedasilva99
@fellipedasilva99 2 года назад
This is a problem Canada, Australia and Western Europe also faces tho. Maybe to varying degrees…
@laughsatchungus1461
@laughsatchungus1461 2 года назад
Im a lefty and I agree. I don’t give a shit about black lesbian discrimination in high school lacrosse, but fr that was on air yesterday on WNYC. I always hear my party arguing about this stuff that fr, 95% of the American population has no reason to care about. All it does is alienate ppl in my eyes. Talk about the economy or climate on the verge of collapse, the opioid crisis, the terrible, TERRIBLE prisons we have and how it directly negatively effects the working class, same with our roads and architecture. How about try to deal with china’s rise in power and influence. Even if trump handled it terribly, at least he TRIED, man!
@nosiidda501
@nosiidda501 2 года назад
@@laughsatchungus1461 About China rising in power... I wouldn't worry about it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RpwtZLzDM_o.html
@somebodysomewhere6770
@somebodysomewhere6770 2 года назад
@@fellipedasilva99 The Anglosphere and Western Europe are essentially American colonies in terms of culture. They're all indirectly part of the greater American Empire.
@crackshack2
@crackshack2 2 года назад
This channel is a goldmine 😂
@yarilolz
@yarilolz 2 года назад
Question, wouldn't it make more sense to compare the states to the Republic going into empire?
@francesco9281
@francesco9281 2 года назад
Meh tbf I don't like this kind of parallelisms because you can literally do them with everything and make a convincing argument, like there are so many different and complicated aspects about power, politic, war, empires and countries that you could compare San Marino to the USA (which could be a good mental exercise but there is no point in doing that). The Roman empire and USA are two totally different entities in a totally different world with different values and different people living in it so a comparison its just never gonna be accurate, sure you can learn from the Roman empire but you can't predict the future or something like that
@TominusMaximus
@TominusMaximus 2 года назад
"you can't predict the future or something like that" Nowhere in the video I predict the future (I hate future predicting). "you could compare San Marino to the USA" In the beginning I desribe why I chose this comparison. "The Roman empire and USA are two totally different entities in a totally different world with different values" - Which is why I chose only some parallels that I see between the two states.
@TonyFontaine1988
@TonyFontaine1988 2 года назад
The USA's government was literally modeled on Romes, along with much of its architecture and its multi ethnic empire that doesn't put value on a specific ethnic group. The Mongols were always Mongols ruling a vast area of people but Mongols were considered superior. Britain was not modeled on Rome and ruled a seaborne empire of different groups and were not lead by multiethnic people. The British also never had an army like the USA and Rome.
@francesco9281
@francesco9281 2 года назад
@@TominusMaximus first of all thanks for answering and I really like your videos I've always did and I liked even this one even tho I disagree with the premise of doing such a comparison. Second I want to elaborate a bit further (I don't know if you care but you made me the courtesy of answering so I want to do the same) the "you can't predicat the future" was mostly referred to the viewers of this video because I already see a lot of comments saying stuff like "usa is doomed" or "let's hope it becomes an empire after being a rebuplic" or "usa is truly the same as the Roman empire". The thing about San Marino was just an exaggeration my point is that it's an easy comparison because it's very generic, historically every major power of its time compared themselves to the Roman empire and found a lot of similarities, but none of those "empires" followed the steps of the Romans they did their things and fell in totally different ways. I'm just an humble commentor and I'm maybe wrong in my opinion, so don't take it as an insult to your video or anything (cause I love them) but I'm just attacking the idea of these kind of comparisons
@francesco9281
@francesco9281 2 года назад
@@TonyFontaine1988 the Romans always considered themselves superior, he even said that in the video, when the citizenship was extanded to all the empire inhabitants the citizen of Rome/Italian peninsula couldn't consider themselves superior anymore. So yeah multicultural empire but with some limitations. The government of basically every western rebuplic is based on the Romans same goes for architecture there is a period called "neo classicism" which is exactly copying the classical Greeks and Romans. So for sure usa has similiraties to Rome but that's because usa is part of the western cultures so everyone form the west (Russian tsar included for example) can claim to be the descendant of the Romans to some extent
@TonyFontaine1988
@TonyFontaine1988 2 года назад
@@francesco9281 You could say the same thing about the Etruscans and Greeks whom the Roman's modeled their society after.
@iseeyou5061
@iseeyou5061 2 года назад
Ironicly the win in second punic war is probably what give the seeds for eventual roman destruction. The backbone of early roman army are either dead because look at those casualties or become dead poor because while they were away campaigning their farm to sustain their income and living withered away and no longer has a means to sustain their own equipment. In addition in second punic war general was given much more liberty and authority to defeat Carthage. It works but the new power granted to the Roman general never really been curtailed especially now the Roman turn their eyes into Greek and Hispania.
@iseeyou5061
@iseeyou5061 2 года назад
Effectively Second Punic war accidently kickstart a transition of power from Roman citizen into Roman general.
@user-cd4bx6uq1y
@user-cd4bx6uq1y Год назад
This guy was ahead of his time in making this video before the trend and actually did it good. Tbh I want a joke video where any comparison is just "In Rome, no one knew what was even happening in relation to this aspect. But in the US, no one knows what is happpening in relation to this aspect" because of how many shallow and meaningless corporate media videos have been made about the inevitable demise that will happen just the way it did to ancient empires in the last 2 years
@romanempire4495
@romanempire4495 2 года назад
Comparison between America and the Galactic Republic in Star Wars Canon: America is on the path to destruction. In Star wars, the CIS secedes because the Republic only cares about rich urban populations and neglects the more rural and poor systems. Sound familiar with how the Federal government treats certain states? Eh, eh!? (This is a joke.)
@hyperion4510
@hyperion4510 2 года назад
There are definitely a staggering amount of similarities between the two, but I have enough faith in my country and it's people to believe that we won't decline. We may stagnate but all things do that.
@justaguy8893
@justaguy8893 2 года назад
We are already declining and in a sense already in a civil war even if at this point it is only a cultural/ideological civil war - the USA has never been so divided with possibly during our Civil War - calling it the USA at this point is almost a joke as we are far from United.
@eVill420
@eVill420 2 года назад
stagnation is the obvious step before declining and in comparison to the world you are declining if you stay standing still
@hyperion4510
@hyperion4510 2 года назад
You're defiantly right about stagnation being the first step towards decline. That does not mean that is always the case though. Also I do not feel like your example holds up.
@eVill420
@eVill420 2 года назад
@@hyperion4510 oh yeah of course sometimes countries can manage to start developing again
@sanuku535
@sanuku535 2 года назад
You nailed IT vEry well.
@bitcoinzoomer9994
@bitcoinzoomer9994 2 года назад
This needs to blow up
@companyman4713
@companyman4713 2 года назад
Well, the Roman Republic lasted 482 years and the Roman Empire lasted 422 years. So, if the parallel holds up, we in the USA with a 232 year old constitution should have about another 190 - 250 years left!
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