@@douglasharbert3340Yep, but looking at the severity of each crime, I'd say SA'ng a CHILD deserves life behind bars ( or worse, I believe evil like this doesn't deserve a life) whereas drugs don't 🤷 crazy notion huh?
@@douglasharbert3340 And both are completely different. Please don't try to justify it like that. Snorting some coke definitely isn't the same caliber as SAing your own children.
@@douglasharbert3340wow.. So is speeding.. that's very simplified thinking. His point is that this kind of evil is much farther down the spectrum than people serving crimes like selling marijuana. 😉
You are so very correct. It's sickening that 1 person would think of something like that, but what are the odds of you finding someone else in the world that is just as screwed in the head as you are?!?
The same happened to me. My father in the shower thing. From ages 7-9. my mother pretended nothing was happening. I told my mom’s mom and she was RIP ROARING MAD. I thought i was in trouble. Grandma called the police. My father made me believe it was NORMAL. My CPS care worker unfortunately was on HIS side and did everything to keep him out of prison. He was pleaded “guilty of keeping me clean“ This was in 1999. unfortunately that care worker is STILL working😢 Cindy Seever Lowe of Wisconsin Rapids, WI. There’s a special place down below waiting for her…by the way, her husband , A POLICE OFFICER, sh0t himself in the head with a nailg@n because his boss found CP on his laptop. It’s all on Google. My father got away with it all, passed away a free man. I pray this child and children like myself get justice because i didn’t. Parents should be protectors. No one else in my life is as evil as Cindy and my father were to me. I have found peace and i wish that for that poor child❤ a future of peace.
Sorry for what you went through and sorry for the adults who let you down. Your father (and the others) will stand before the great Judge of the universe. He will answer for his crimes.
Wow... I'm so sorry, you are amazing for surviving that... I hope you have love and positivity in your life now... I hope you get to experience nice moments now... Life is so unfair and there is such evil that we don't deserve..
It sounds very much like Cindy Seever Lowe of Wisconsin Rapids, WI was into the sort of thing her husband was, or very happy to turn a blind eye like so many wives of familial abusers are. I hope they didn't have any children. Sadly, your case is so common, and I'm so sorry you didn't get justice❤Most victims don't get justice. My grandfather also died a free man, while my aunts and mother have paid for his actions every day of their lives.
There’s a man in Mississippi doing 13 years for two joints! Yet these freaks are out just destroying the lives of their own children. The system is absolutely broken
I live in the bible belt. The DEEP south and they treat Marijuana crimes like murder (not really but you know what I mean). It's insane. We're so far behind the times it's embarrassing!
I was 6 years old the first time I was sold to a man in a motel and 7 when I was first used in CSAM. I was severely abused before I could even walk or talk. locked in a basement with no food. punished for stealing a piece of bread and being locked in a tiny trunk when my mother wanted to party. I am now 52 it took me years of very hard work to recover and heal. It is all too long to put here but my point is I now work in the anti-trafficking movement and have for over a decade. when we help others and use what we endured to raise awareness make changes etc then we take back our power! I pray she is getting all the help and support she needs.
Was just coming to watch and find out, thought the age difference in those pics was vast. In this case he needs the chair, he prayed on her and she's now continuing the cycle. Gross.
He probably groomed her. I’m not trying to excuse her in any way of course. It’s a sad reality, but victims often go on to victimize others if they don’t seek help.
EXACTLY, because they take OUR lives, WE serve LIFE SENTENCES, AND SO SHOULD THEY! These monsters cannot be rehabilitated! If both aren't complicit, most often the other KNOWS and then punishes the poor child for their parent's crimes when already suffering unspeakable horrors! I am grateful with God's help I was resilient, became a great success, and didn't perpetuate the same or worse atrocities as many do for GENERATIONS. Prayers for all survivors.
@zachdavid8873 I feel like thats bs it happens majority of the time in people's own bloodline! Who cares if it's the bio parent or not idk why they even try to bring up the differences it's just overall disgusting!
I just read an article that talked about how with the prevalence of things like AncestryDNA and 23andMe, the reality of incestuous relationships is only now being revealed. I can’t imagine how horrifying it would be to get your results back and find out your mom is also your sister. They said that father and brother parentage were the highest percentage. 😢
I was married to a woman that lived through an extremely similar situation, fortunately she was removed from the home with her older brothers when she was only 3. Her mother remains in prison in Florida after 35 years but her father was released after only 15 years. Its unbelievable that they would ever let a monster like that out.
You're not alone ❤ Been in the process of healing for over 30 years now. I hope you, and I hope these children get ALL of the help they need. No one should have to deal with this kind of trauma. No one.
@@blackswan1983 Thank you, I have been blessed, and I do hope to continue healing until I’m gone. I am glad that there are cases in this day and age that children are taken out of these awful situations. Their physical and mental health has a better outcome than mine and my sisters, but it won’t be easy.
How a narcotic charge that is only harming ones self is punished more severely than this type of unimaginable horror is EVERYTHING wrong with our justice system
Notice how when the perpetrators include a man and the victims include a girl, the words "horror" and "monster" are used but in the last video of a female teacher doing this with an 11 year old boy, no one used those words
@@malasi888 To be fair, it should not be compared. While what happened to the 11 year old is indeed horrible he at least had a safe place to land and parents to loved him. In a part of his life he was treated wrongly and disturbingly, but for these children it was their entire existence which was wrong, disturbingly, and scary.
@@It-is-me...Melsie yeah I just think if the victim was an 11 year old girl in that case the words that are used in this situation of the current video, would be used there. But with the teacher and the 11year old boy, the word "monster" or "horror" was never once used in the top comments.
The wife is actually his stepdaughter, and he’d had a ____ relationship with her since she was a young teen, starting in 2004. He was previously arrested in 2014 for it, though by then she was 24 and had 6 children by him.
I’m surprised that you are both acting as if this is an isolated case. Sadly there are 10s of thousand of kids abused in this way by their parents. Granted, it is not terribly common for both parents to be actively involved
@@momo_fa2l99exactly. I’m one of those people. I’d give anything to have children, and these disgusting people took advantage of their innocent child. I’ll never understand how these monsters were so easily able to have kids, and I cannot. It breaks my heart.
I've been listening to a podcast called Cults to Consciousness and have been made aware of the abuse like this in Lancaster County. It happens in any community, like these people, but it's especially difficult to save kids from Mennonite or Amish families. Grateful these children have escaped the horror of the adults that are supposed to love them. Praying for healing❤
@@MrShanester117then you haven’t seen things the way I have. I’ve worked with kids that are survivors of SA. The number of perps that are parents is much higher than you realize.
Disturbingly, child marriage is allowed in many parts of the United States. Many backward people even today would prefer their child marry an adult man rather than be an unwed mother. Disgusting.
@@nothanks9912all kinds of abuse are more common in isolated communities, especially ones where the religious leaders are likely to be on the abuser's side.
@@nothanks9912girls are taught from a young age that they can't refuse or contradict a male. Also, teens get frustrated with the lack of socialization and dating that the mainstream is exposed to. A couple years ago several brothers were convicted for graping and impregnating their sister. The doctor reported it when the 12 or 13 year old turned up pregnant, and the family was angry with her for talking to the police.
Imagine you interact with these people in public and having no idea what kind of people they are. You could exchange small talk and walk away thinking they are a sane normal person : /
Learning about so many of these horrific abuses has made me look at pretty much every person I come across and wonder if they are a monster behind closed doors.
With all the terrible stories he has to go through and report on constantly, he must be just as exhausted as anyone else hearing about those awful things all the time.
I would be too; just learning the victim's age was between the ages of 4 and 6 is horrific.... life without the possibility of parole for them ~ that poor baby is serving that mental sentence :(
I'm going through ivf. I go to the hospital every day and see parents desperate. I mean, DESPERATE to have a baby. It's so heartbreaking to have such a gift and then do this. It's more than evil. Evil is an inadequate word.
I was badly abused for many years by my father. I would use alcohol to not feel or think about it. Eventually that caught up to me and I jumped from the third floor of a building while intoxicated. Badly broke my leg. I’ve never been able to recover from all of the abuse.
This man should get the chair. Nothing less will do. She needs to go to jail for life. My heart breaks for the 3 victims. How incredibly brave of each of them to speak up.
What? Let me tell you, both of my natural parents had "decent", "normal" office jobs and both of them were abusive in ALL ways, including SA. Careers have absolutely zero to do with who is a perpetrator and who isn't.
why do yall always automatically assume its a girl getting molested? it happens to little boys time & time again, they deserve to be heard & deserve justice too. im pretty sure this case was about their 4 year old son... since one of the statements read they forced victim to have v@ginal penetration with sara miller.
Have worked in education for a couple of decades, am just an observant person (not that you have to be to see this kind of abuse) and CPS's views on "parents' rights" and the idea of "keeping the family together" disgusts me! Many children would be much better off taken from their depraved 9:13 parents and placed with DECENT, loving families, or even with individuals who are just raising them for the money but don't abuse them and tend to theit basic physical needs. It's so messed up! Too many times "government officials" ignore the warning signs. (Not that I could do this job, because I would be burnt out in no time! People who deal with abused children--correctly, have a stressful and heartbreaking job! But too many of them don't care or are limiited by the government in doing their jobs!
and her mother was in on the abuse too, she's his step daughter, which means he's STILL married to the her mother also, he got her pregnant at 14 the first tiime because she was 15 when the oldest child was born, there's ZERO chance the mothers mother wasn't a part of the abuse, of her atleast, probally the children also.
I wish people will stop saying they will be punished when they go to prison. My abuser went to the Brig, for a year for assaulting a different child. He spent some time, very little in jail for absusing me and my brothers. Guess what? Years later, went to prison for another assault. If what people are writing is so true? How come we have so many repeat offenders and dead children?
People that have never been incarcerated, fortunately, like to think there’s some type of vigilant justice in prison. Not sure why they expect morals to be practiced in a sea full of felons.
This is my hometown and im gonna be honest this happens a lot more than ppl realize here. Not even close to the first time I've heard of this happening here
I so admire the courage and stoicism of both of you being able to hold these aberrations up to the light for the ordinary person. I wonder sometimes, how horrors occur; what happened in someone’s history to make them so deranged.. we constantly learn more
Whilst both parents acting this way may be rare….it is not rare for one parent to be SA their child. In fact parents are the major producers of inappropriate child SA material online. It’s sadly not rare for one parent to be the abuser.
You hate people? It takes people to protect other innocent people.. Hate the behavior. Pity the person who committed it. In this instance they're beyond lost.
There is not a lot of information about it that has been released yet and the majority of it won't be released until the trial. What specifically do you want to hear about the case anyway? the gory details of the abuse?
The phrase 'Never judge a book by its cover' comes to mind. That woman looks young, healthy, with a trusting face. It's hard to believe behind that face, there is an actual monster !
Where exactly have you guys been? Unfortunately parents SA'ing their own children is really not that rare at all. You spoke about it like you have never heard of it before and to say it's extremely rare is absurd.
If you compare all SA of kids by there parents to SA overall yes it is rare. Just cuz a crime happens doesn’t all of a sudden make it common & often occurring.
No this kind of stuff happens every day and what sad is many of the people are never able to escape it when there is still time for them to psychologically mostly recover like myself. :(
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I had a great childhood except for fighting parents that ended in divorce. I learn of stories like this and I'll take hearing my parents yelling at each other. Thank goodness they never hit each other or us kids.
The fact that she said it’s rare that it’s not usually the parents who SA but a family friend just shows the world continues to keep secrets . It’s more common than you know . Ppl need to wake up already and help spread truth instead of protecting their family members and being scared cuz being afraid will continue to hold back our society and a lack of growth and justice will be our downfall . Someday evil will be the default if us hurting our planet doesn’t get us first . Grow up and help end ignorance before it’s too late
If you have any Bible at all, have a look at Hebrews 4:13. Everything wicked will come to the light(and Justice will be served). Nothing is hidden from the One who sees all things. Jehovah is His name(YHWH). All in due time, he'll fix this broken world. Psalm 37:10 says 'Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more...' Psalm 37:34 'Hope in Jehovah and follow his way, and he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked are done away with, you will see it.' [NWT Study Bible]
Wait. What are u saying is ‘rare’? Incest? Incest by both parents? I guess incest involving both parents is more rare than one parent. But overall, Incest isn’t ‘rare’ so I’m not sure what u mean. This happens all the time, within a square mile of where you live if u live in a densely populated area.
I called a California lawyer about a man who did CA/CP with me 30 years prior and got immediately turned-down. Very coldly I might add. Zero sympathy. All of these public celebrity lawsuits are not helping things. We need widely public cases like this.
So sorry to hear that! Please keep trying anyway, you deserve justice. Wishing you continued healing and hope you have a strong support system around you to help you get through this difficult time.
Absolutely revolting ... yet my family history is not too far off. I've had 10 years of therapy twice a week & I still struggle every single day. You just don't get over that, ever.
Look for Fred and rose west in the U.K. and the horrific crimes they committed against their own children, one daughter was murdered and put under their patio, she was going to the police to tell about the abuse and rapes she had suffered from them both.
This is a stomach-churning, incomprehensible kind of evil! That poor baby... I just hope and pray there is some sliver of hope for healing in the future. My heart is broken for each of these children.
Thank you,, me and my cousins are finally happy that justice has been served… They were released less than a year ago and we were scared for our life and now that they are back in prison we hope they never get out🤞🏼
I found an article from 9 years ago, that goes over his history with the same type of accusations. Sara Miller was listed in the article as his step-daughter at the time. Sick. Completely sick.
@@MaryFrishkorn 100% Wrong. I owned a home in West Hempfield (same township, opposite side) and in the 5 years that I lived there I saw one Amish buggy. Lancaster, PA. has the largest Amish settlement in the U.S., but they take up less than 20% of the Lancaster, PA. population. The more you know. 💫
I work at a school. Years ago, DCFS told us: MOST pedophiles do not molest their own children. They allowed for the child to remain in the home. It was AWFUL! (Additionally, it was a child with special needs.🤦🏼♀️) I’m writing this in response to one of the speakers being in disbelief that the children were still in the home.
That poor child. Psychiatrist and psychologist since 2010. The memories started to surface 2 years in. The journey is still ongoing. Yes, evil is out there. I lived with it.
