Saying Maki isn't a good person is basically saying Kaguya isn't a good person either, they're basically the same type, in fact Kaguya is more extreme, just imagine what Kaguya would do if Chika went out with Shirogane 😂
Kaguya *isn't* a good person. She isn't necessarily a bad person either, granted. She has highs and lows and is deeply flawed. That's why she's such an exceptionally well-written character. But yes, she'd probably get up to some genuinely heinous shit if Chika were to date Miyuki - which is more of an indicator that she's really not a good person. I think the way she treats Ai alone precludes her from being considered a good person - especially at this point in the story. She's in the throes of experiencing major growth as a person, but she's still a huge mess of wrath and self-interest.
hayasaka's not going for the president lol. she's just teasing kaguya because she's living the life she wants. she's frustrated because she wants to experience the normal highschool life that only comes once in a lifetime but she can't because she's been tasked to look out for kaguya
@@ryouhanura9887 true. i really love how the author gave hayasaka another dimension to her character rather than just a maid who pushes kaguya to the president. she's got more common sense than kaguya and all but hayasaka's just an innocent highschooler who wants to do highschooler stuff at the end of the day. showing her frustration being stuck in a job she really doesn't want just adds more layer to her character making me care much more about her
Still Akasaka has played around with hayasaka and President for s long time and triggered many flags, even though he dismissed them all in the end, but they’re there
yeah, i understand their distrust in the beginning, since its kinda phrased to make her seem like possible competition, but its kinda painful to watch that they seemingly ignored most of what the episode explaining her character was saying, and continue to treat her as if she had like transformed into some backstabbing awful friend for that entire period of time
I'm sorry, but I don't think I've ever seen someone misunderstand Hayasaka's and Maki's characters harder than you do. It's really frustrating, considering how good the writing is
@@GreenHellTube Hayasaka isn't in love with president. She is just jealous of Kaguya's happy teen romance and frustrated with her because she doesn't appreciate Hayasaka's hard work enough. They literally started hating her character this season because of misunderstanding it. Maki is not a bad person. Her personality is a lot like Kaguya's, but they never scold Kaguya for behaving the same way. The only bad thing she did for three whole seasons was intentionally giving Tsubasa poor advise with the gift. And remember, Nagisa wasn't really into Tsubasa at first and started dating him on a whim, Maki was in love with him for a long time. If Kaguya was in her shoes, she would probably do something terrifying to her best friend, or at least stop communicating with her. Maki is trying really hard to be the best possible friend to both Nagisa and Tsubasa
@user-cw9sh5tq3p It was even worse than that, Kishiwagi had no interest in him before. She was literally asking him if he was single for Maki because she knew Maki had a thing for him. But he thought it was her with the interest, and he asked her out using the president's advice, and it was good enough to get her to say yes. Then, when they almost broke up on more than one occasion, the council gave them the advice they needed to stay together, and the relationship ended up serious when it never would have lasted normally. All to poor Maki's detriment. 😅
this is just to inform you guys so no misinfo, Ai hayaska does not like the president, she is teasing shinomiya by just actually living a normal life as a girl and have her first male friend with no strings attached and is excited. anywho enough of that, season 3 is definitely the best and I cannot wait for the movie video, much love
I mean I think it's more common in Asia than the Western Countries. Especially in poorer families, bathing or showering together isn't that weird especially if you're on the younger side of age. In Japan it's definitely more traditional to bathe together. The fact is that they were very naked in medieval times and in fact there are still hot spring today where both genders can enter. The Christian missionaries back in the day just told them they were depraved people and needed to put some clothes on, so they did.
The way you guys misinterpreted Hayasaka's arc honestly frustrated me. Running it down to a petty love triangle, missing the point of her rebellion, and wanting her to be the previous robotic girl who's only purpose is to get the two together and have none of her own fun is downplaying her development, her character.
So glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. They had a whole rap scene where her motivations and feelings were literally spelled out as part of her character arc but it got forgotten as soon as the scene ended.
Maki slander is unacceptable, she for sure was in a bad place at the beginning but the moment she got some emotional support she instantly became a good influence on the world. Kaguya needed like 3 seasons and 10 canon events to start being a better person. Maki my goat 🐐
I swear everyone is trying to gaslight me into thinking OnK wasn’t as good as I remember, but after like 5 rewatches I really don’t get what everyone is complaining about!
i just realize some editor or author or even the creator itself is a fans of Doraemon....Kaguya mentioning Time Travel..then Hayasaka say I`m not Robot Cat..a reference from Doraemon.
4:26:38 Its been implied that Kaguya sama (and oshi no ko by extension since kaguya appears in the Oshi No Ko manga), takes place in an alternate history to ours. In this, im not sure if Japan won world war 2 or just had way more lenient terms, but either way its different. The easiest way to find out is by the mere existence of the Shinomiya family. These large economic family did exist in Japan pre ww2. They were known as Zaibatsus, and controlled major parts of the Japanese economy. Mitsubishi and Kawasaki are currently the most famous industries that were part of them. But after world war 2, as part of the peace treaty, these were broken up, and thats why Japan doesnt have single major families or clans that own a ton of stuff (unlike in Korea for example). The Shinomiya family meanwhile, is a zaibatsu clearly, which implies that the peace treaty was very different. Another thing to note are the various tunnels and secret rooms. They even found one in the Student Council room last season. Some of these, like the tower we see in this season, and the storage shed from last season, are remnants of the war. The tower likely was an air raid surveillance, while the shed was an ammunition or supply dump. But others, like the secret room in the student council room, were created during a large scale student protest, that changed the Japanese government (like the Korean student protests in the 80s). It doesn't really play any role in the story, and its just a full little easter egg for the ones who pay attention and/or like history.
@sneeki8082 Japan's Zaibatsus were instrumental to the Japanese war effort, and played a major role in the buildup and the duration of World War 2. To ensure that Japan wouldn't be able to develop a similar war industry ever again, the San Francisco Treaty broke up the Zaibatsus. It's the same reason why Germany also had its industries dismantled in World War 2. It's to ensure that another war doesn't erupt. Korea, which was an occupied state under the Imperial Japanese, had no such obligations. That's why when the Chaebols were being formed, there was no action against them. Another thing to note is that thr Zaibatsus did thrive pre war. The reason they were broken up is not because they failed, but because Japan lost the war. Had Japan won the war or never gone to war in the first place they won't have been dismantled
Good context to know! Wanted to add a couple of extra tidbits, namely that although the zaibatsu were formally dissolved, the post-war Japanese economy is far from free of large interrelated corporate systems (keiretsu). Also the "student movement" likely references truly massive and tragically underdiscussed radical student movements from the 1960s especially. Their actions included lengthy occupations of university campuses and violent confrontations with police.
@@LiterallyMe05 I mean yeah sure they were broken up back then, but there's nothing stop any family to just build another Zaibatsu now does it ? as is is not forbid in any law, so it is certainly possible.
I like how many references they put in the series which can be easily overlooked. Like orchestral music motif based on the "Godfather" theme, Ishigami's triumph scene straight from "The Shawshank Redemption" or Omega Moonwatch used in many space-related movies, like "Apollo 13" or Event Horizon"... There are tons of such references in musical themes or visuals, often recognized only by older audience knowing and remembering the originals.
I have the feeling that even Kaguya and President are become lovers their fight will never end. Poor Hayasaka you derserve a boss that cares about you.
Fun fact, Kaguya sama is written by the same guy who wrote Oshi no ko Also, in terms of the manga, the series isn’t even halfway done yet lol Relationship struggles don’t end at managing to confess after all
Spoilers for the manga I mean, their game of making the other confess is over after the movie. It focuses on other characters and Kaguya and Shirogane's relationship and how it progresses.
Just to clarify, Hayasaka is NOT into Miyuki romantically, its just that he is the first real friend she has made besides Kaguya herself. And with that first friend, Kaguya, it isn't exactly a balanced, healthy friendship. Kaguya is her boss, even if she is still her friend. But for far too much of the time, she isn't treated as a friend, but as a servant to put into motion all of these crazy schemes that Kaguya uses instead of doing what she is too afraid to do: confess. Hayasaka has an insane amount of work, between her normal duties, all of the added bs Kaguya gives her, maintaining a "normal" school and workload, and maintaining all of these disguises and lies, usually not for her own benefit but Kaguya's. And almost all of it would be unnecessary if Kaguya would just do what Hayasaka has advised her on all of this time. No wonder she's frustrated. And no wonder that she's even more frustrated when Kaguya's paranoia (which isn't really unwarranted so I don't mean to sound like I blame Kaguya, she's actually my 2nd favorite character in the series. Just that she has her faults and I love her FOR them, but she has them all the same) makes Kaguya try to break apart their friendship, which I remind you is the first one Hayasaka has really had besides Kaguya. She just wants to feel like a normal teenager and have normal relationships with people for once.
1:23:20 in Japan, it's normal for people of the same sex to bathe together and not generally seen as sexual at all. Families bathing together, even with members of both sexes, is pretty normal as well - though nowadays usually (but not always) the kids stop bathing with their opposite-sex siblings/parents by the time they're teenagers. Hot spring culture is also pretty huge here, and those are all public baths where going in naked is the norm and you might even make people uncomfortable if you try to cover up!
People slandering Maki, saying she's like Kaguya if Kaguya was a bad person... Because "I don't care how you go about it. Make Tsubame Koyasu yours." Is the first piece of romantic advice that should come out of a good person's mouth...
Steph's anger towards Hayasaka becomes less and less justified as the episodes go on. First of all, imagine how one-note and carboard cutout Hayasaka would be if she had no plot involvement beyond pushing Kaguya and Shirogane together with the already small cast list. Next up, the whole purpose of this arc is to make Hayasaka be okay with expressing herself. She's seen her ice queen mistress melt during her high school years and it's obviously made her want to experience it for herself. It's a very complicated situation where she doesn't really hate her job and cares a lot for Kaguya, cheering her on, but also doesn't like suppressing the basic things teenagers want. Finally, Miyuki is the only one who knows of her secret. Ofc she'd be happy with someone she can just talk like friends with, as her relationship with Kaguya is more like a parent and child. And please, anybody who's seen the amount of persona she's had till now would realize that Hayasaka teasing Kaguya is just that, only teasing. Ultimately, this arc adds a lot of depth to her character.
I love how Wes was literally part of Kaguya and Kashiwagi's stance on the cheating investigation. The frame where they both look at Iino like she was crazy, my brain integrated an image of Wes also snapping at her.
39:05 Japanese can be a very ambiguous language. context is extremely important, and without the right clues, it's extremely easy to misunderstand something. this vagueness does simply not translate well into English, and you can tell that the translators were struggling a lot here to make things seem somewhat sensical.
1:57:41 I actually kinda love how they solve the whole Long distance Relationship later on in the manga Kaguya suddently remembers she is rich and can literally just fly a private jet to see him whenever she wants
The best part is yet to come. The way Shirogane ends the next season is sooo freaking awesome. The next season is the best part of this show. I hope you will upload it cause i cant wait to see your reactions
Hayasaka using The president to get back to Kaguya is reasonable,. She can't live a normal life as a teenager because she's caught-up to the antics of Kaguya & President😂, she can't relax a bit,. She's proving that if only Kaguya conveys her feelings properly to the president, they'd be a couple now,.
6:37 Mignon is French for Pretty or small and pretty, "Filet Mignon" = cute fillet. Filet is the steak. xD 4:24:26 I think she ment they had a "French kiss" not a regular kiss.
I know, right, it was really starting to tick me off. Not to mention that technically Kaguya hasn't ever actually expressed interest to Shirogane. If he entered a relationship with Hayasaka it wouldn't be cheating at all, Kagaya had literally done nothing in two years.
21:22 You actually get to see that. After the end credits you could see who won the arm wrestling match between Ishigami and Chika. I hope you saw that.
To give context about why Shirogane needed to skip a grade, it's because the Japanese and American school years overlap a bit and just so he can be on time he needs to leave earlier than everyone else. Hence skipping a grade to prepare for college. It would be more difficult for him to take up half a school year and then jump straight to college so asking for papers for approval to skip his last year of high school is just more straight forward. He has the grades and achievements to be able to ask for an exception and all it really needs is approval from the school.
This is what happens when u take a year gap between seasons. Confusion. Hayasaka doesn't want Miyuki they're just friends. If you hadn't taken this long to watch season 3 you would've figured it out sooner and not be frustrated for no reason for half of the reaction
We finally get the s3! I can't wait to watch the video but i'm not sure how much you guys pay attention these comments and look at them for suggestions but some of my personal suggestions for you guys to watch would have to be Gurren Lagaan, Reincarnated as a Slime Isekai, Go Go Loser Ranger and Black Butler last one mainly cause theres finally been a new season of it after so long so i want you guys to try it as well. a last mention would be No Game No Life but that one is a bit pervy so idk if you guys would enjoy it as much but it is a good anime. Edit: another one i forgot is Blood Blockade Battlefront and this one may be a bit long but Hunter x Hunter is a very enjoyable watch too!
Bro maki loves him from the middle school and all of a sudden he dates her best friend but she still doing her best keep up with her despite being in extreme pain and these two ignorants saying she's evil without knowing what's happening that's insane
What? Excited for Season 3 of Kaguya-Sama? Waiting for months since they posted Season 2? It's like you're obsessed with Wess and Steph... *O kawaii koto...*
41:00 Fun Fact: Miyuki and Hayasaka are a married couple in the alternative universe. Also, Kaguya, Chika, and others are kindergarten student, and Miyuki and Hayasaka are their teacher.
please upload the movie's reaction too..... for your knowledge the main story only progressed only half way through. it will take atleast two more seasons to finish this story. Without spoiling i am only gonna tell you that the future seasons will make this anime one of the best romance anime ever for sure. nearly 150 chapters from manga are still left for anime.
4:24:56 I don't think hayasaka likes the president, its probably because hayasaka feels jealous cause kaguya has moved forward in her relationship with the president. Most likely, she never actually expected that the "confession" would be successful so much so that they kissed with tongue 😂
I love your guys' reaction! As for your question about parent-teacher conferences, I had some in high school (I'm in Canada though). It wasn't mandatory though like it was in elementary and middle school. BTW I think you guys would love Fruits Basket! It's a great story and I'd love to see your perspective on it both as parents and you guys come across as very empathetic (it is a bit of a tear jerker though!)
You know what you both should react to an anime called Charlotte . I am a 100% sure that you guys will like it 😊😊 please react to it i wanna watch you reactions to it
I also would like to point out that the last arm wrestle match between Fujiwara and Ishigami is shown after the credits of episode one. Watch it to find out who won :)
