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What are we teaching our children? This panel takes the fight out of the classroom, PTA, and school board meeting and brings it to real life. From sex ed to critical race theory, parents, teachers, and students hash out the most controversial topics in our K-12 schools.
00:00 Intro
00:49 The Purpose of Education
02:45 Who Should Decide What’s Being Taught?
09:58 Home School vs Private School vs Public School
21:48 Sex Education
24:46 Critical Race Theory (CRT)
35:47 US History
38:10 Where Do We Go From Here?
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@VICE Год назад

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@yikes710 Год назад

Good stuff Vice!

@TheOpenSociety777 Год назад

A fetish is not an identity 🆔

@Anthongolong69Z Год назад

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@WesHuesos Год назад

VICE...I've posted this on several videos in this panel series...the short cut is great and we appreciate the content. However, it's clear that there's more footage. These panels are great! Why don't you let us, YOUR VIEWERS, benefit from the having access to the entire conversation? Can you not release both?

@arpilothazard Год назад

This discussion is the epitome of "we need a discussion about this discussion about this...." Only a couple of the people in here talked about real-world applications. The rest was useless posturing.

@Bri-tf6eu Год назад

as someone who was homeschooled, when protecting your child from the “bad world” you’re just leaving your child unprepared for the real world

@anthonygarcia1148 Год назад

A sheltered child makes a soft adult

@HennyCranberryy Год назад

1000% agree!!!👏🏼👏🏼

@sawyermartin2779 Год назад

I agree, I was homeschooled up until 8th grade and it was one of the worst things that I ever went through. There needs to be more oversight when it comes to homeschooling.

@seankale5116 Год назад

VEEY WELL SAID!

@bradfordseaton Год назад

Not necessarily. I think it’s all about the approach/execution

@Jihyopark96 6 месяцев назад

I’m surprised I don’t see comments praising the high school girl! For being much younger and a current student who is affected by the things being discussed/decisions adults make around/for her education, she was very well spoken and had great comments contributing to the conversation! At her age I don’t think I would’ve been as confident and knowledgeable esp around a group of adults in a discussion like this

@lbthingsstuffmore9513 4 месяца назад

I think she's great! Very bright young person. Gives me hope for the future. 🖖

@margueritendi7033 2 месяца назад

Wait ✋ I thought she was a teacher 🙈😄 , just a really young one

@ciavasquesholder4108 8 месяцев назад

I think the problem is- parents don’t realize that just because you raise your kids one way doesn’t mean that your kids won’t experience life outside of your beliefs and eventually change what they believe.

@cri5tal 5 месяцев назад

Beautifully written!!!

@thehater6189 5 месяцев назад

Of course they do. Parents were kids once. They just want their children to have certain core values

@JaySlayz4Dayz 5 месяцев назад

@@thehater6189 You don’t get to DEMAND that your kids have certain core values. Thats entitled and problematic.

@thehater6189 5 месяцев назад

@JaySlayz4Dayz what? No, I'm definitely going to demand that my children be brave, kind and strong willed. Im going to demand they are not liars or cheats either. Problematic would be just letting children do whatever they want. Absolutely not. I come from a long line of real ones.

@GeesWrld 5 месяцев назад

@@JaySlayz4DayzI’m just curious what do you think your role as parent is then? and if you aren’t a parent what is a parents responsibility when it comes to raising their child?

@rosa.00_ 8 месяцев назад

The real problem is that parents aren’t disciplining their bad, spoiled kids and encouraging them to do better academically, so they hold all the other good students back (due to limited resources and time). I was the quiet kid and I can remember many times feeling genuine sympathy for my overwhelmed teachers whenever the troubled kids wouldn’t stop being clowns and wasting everyone’s learning time. Teachers aren’t babysitters or daycare workers. It’s getting worse and worse and that’s a huge reason why many educators are quitting.

@quicktoreason2722 8 месяцев назад

completely missed the point -

@Nopebrbra 8 месяцев назад

@@quicktoreason2722nope shes not

@datarock57 8 месяцев назад

@@quicktoreason2722no they didn't. Majority of Parents won't even show up for school planning events. To be clear, I'm only speaking about my district. Which is a bottom 10 district in the nation. And we have one of the only school boards that are actually paid. For reference they make about 30,000 a year. This year we just started talking about disassembling the school board. Our city got roughly 80 million. Parents wouldn't even show up to vote on where that money should be spent for their kids in the city. No after school programs came back. And we are closing down 11 schools. Those schools have the most IEPs and 504s. Which means next year some classrooms in the elementary schools will have 40 to 60 students in them. Not to mention the teacher shortage. There are many contributing factors. The terrible parenting is the root cause of a lot of issues in the classroom right now. We can't even get to discussing what the kids should be learning. Because it's not a learning environment anymore. I'm the parent teacher liaison for my son's school. These last two years have been very trying to say the least. (In full disclosure, my son was private schooled the majority of his life. We switched to public school because of a robotics program he loves. The program he's in at his public school still places him in a different "education system" than the rest of the school. Because it's an international program. 93% of his school academically does not qualify). My son is not a straight a student not even close. He just has parents who Ask to see his grades and make time to teach him how to study.

@quicktoreason2722 8 месяцев назад

terrible parenting? Are you in their shoes? Parents shouldnt have to feel the need to constantly be checking on the school board to make good decisions but now with all the mess that the board has done, parents have to. While juggling to survive in this environment where both parents are required to work to make a decent living wage to even get by. most parents are working paycheque to paycheque - and now on top of that already demanding commitment they have to also baby sit the school board. The very fact that you think people are terrible parents because you have the privilege to find time to go and be more involved shows how disconnected from reality you are. Considering your kid was "private schooled" proves my point exactly. Its like those new mothers who suddenly act like they know what all baby's are about and how they know more than everyone else. crazy. Your lived experience is just that, your lived experience. not everyone is on that same boat - The problem here is the Unionized teachers that feel like they are impenetrable. Teachers unions needs to be abolished and we need better access to teachers that actually want to teach kids things that they can further their future with. None of this sexualized education, just important subjects that actually matter. @@datarock57

@Attham 8 месяцев назад

@@quicktoreason2722 I have taught in schools of different academic levels in both private and public sector. The role of teacher is a job, and everyone capable would like jobs that's secure (unless it pays really well). Abolishing unions would simply make the entire profession felt unprotected and lose a ton of members. I think you can call for adjustments in the way unions work, but abolishing is going to destroy the local education system. (I'm not in US so I don't know any further but I'm sure that prediction is a reasonably foreseeable outcome.) On the topic of parents involvement, parenting is a natural responsibility. In majority of species in the animal kingdom, the young learn to hunt, to run, to socialise from their family. They also learn values and attitudes from the same source. Children from families that values education usually out-performs the other end of the spectrum in academics and beyond curriculum achievements. Not because they are somehow more talented, but because their family have cultivated a habit of valuing and committing to learn. It has nothing to do with family income, some of the most committed parents I've known are Asian immigrants with low income jobs. Those believe education is the most reliable way to a brighter future and so they would encourage their child to commit into learning. It does not take much extra time or money to let your children know you care about their wellbeing and future. If taking 20-30 minutes a day to have chat, to let the children feel that they are loved, to help them organise their progress, to praise them for trying to improve are too much to ask for, I think they shouldn't have had any child or they deserved to be blamed as a 'terrible parent'.

@abomb899 Год назад

Teach students how to think. Not what to think. Always question, be curious, and never stop learning.

@Trentz2 Год назад

The best and most mature comment.

@MsDudette21 Год назад

too bad conservative parents who want to homeschool or do homeschool won't take this into consideration

@kajakern268 Год назад

@@MsDudette21 also it is really important to have children experience group dynamics! not everyone has the money to send them to a sport club 3 times a week & also schools are so much more diverse & better at preparing them for the average ppl they will interact with later

@michaellovullo7363 Год назад

@@MsDudette21 too bad that liberals want to teach children what to think and not how to think.

@MsDudette21 Год назад

@@michaellovullo7363 the most educated states are also the ones that vote blue. The least educated are the ones that vote red. Stay mad loser

@shelbiekelly4449 Год назад

OMG MRS POMEROY WAS MY FRESHMAN ENGLISH TEACHER! I’m so shocked to see her on here. She was pregnant with her first kid while teaching us and decided to be a stay at home mom after. So happy to see her on here, I’ll never forget reading Romeo and Juliet with her ❤

@nite-owl4689 10 месяцев назад

That's so cool!

@WizardToby 8 месяцев назад

The very idea of giving teachers an opportunity to not talk about slavery as a part of American history is baffling to me. You are depriving students of the truth when you exclude certain topics from education.

@romancewriter6296 7 месяцев назад

One one my biggest pet peeves with homeschooling is that most parents absolutely do not have the knowledge to teach high school level classes. I'm an engineer with a master's degree in bioengineering: I can teach my high schooler Honors class levels in both math and biology. Can I teach honors level history, chemistry, english? No. No one can boast to have advanced knowledge in all subjects enough to teach on all subjects and not harm their child's learning. Parents need to communicate with their kids at home on social issues and religious beliefs, but don't fool yourselves homeschoolers: your children do learn less than mine.

@jonnyfendi2003 6 месяцев назад

Its called cyber school. Get a clue

@romancewriter6296 6 месяцев назад

@@jonnyfendi2003 If you say so, but don't forget that unlike what most people like to believe, not all opinions are equal. There is a reason humans gather in places of knowledge and share ideas: this is how we are wired to learn, for the most part. My experience in middle class American has shown me that not many people can successfully teach above elementary grade levels and this is a generous assumption on most people. Just this for an example: I hired a PhD candidate to tutor my son in mathematics online twice a week: he still learns better in school than with her, even though she is highly qualified. It's the setting that makes the difference and he is 15. Also, has straight As in all subject with honors classes in math, biology, honors and literature.

@DeeDaKaang1 5 месяцев назад

Exactly, most homeschoolers don't have a mother who's an ex-teacher

@raes8520 5 месяцев назад

I am a psych major with minors in family studies and business management. My 9 year old is home schooled and is doing a 3 year course of classes on Vet Science, has put in 200 hours of volunteer work at a local animal shelter and also volunteers at a vet clinic. Assists surgeries, gives oral meds. She can do the math to determine meds based on an animal's weight and the recommendation for the med. And then physically give it to them. Including anesthesia. She is also taking a 2 year series of courses on marine biology that will culminate with a camp in another country. She has done 3 years of Spanish, as well as ASL and Latin. She has just stated volunteering reading at a toddler group. She goes to lessons on finances with a local investment banker who gives kids lessons. I do about 20 hours a week of one on one education with her outside of what I outsource. Homeschooling does not mean the parent is the only transmitter of the education. I am not a science pro and my second language is French.. Atleast not natural sciences. I don't need to be as a homeschool parent. I just need to facilitate my child's education and outsource as needed and wanted. Oh, by the way she has a 10th grade reading level at last standardized testing over the summer. If she was in public school she would be in 3rd grade. Please tell me what more she would be learning in school.

@romancewriter6296 5 месяцев назад

@@raes8520 My point exactly: you are a psych major and highly educated. Most people I see on these panels are not and do not have the capacity to educate their children like you do. Also, you mentioned she is 9 years old and reads at a 10 grade level, which is wonderful and in line with your own education, but I respectfully doubt you would be qualified to teach 10th grade math, chemistry and physics, just as I would not be able to teach english literature. We all have our own areas of expertise and there is a limit to what a single person can do in regards to teach advanced notions. I am sure your daughter is doing wonderful now, but she does have a highly educated mother to teach her.

@eyebrow1 Год назад

I actually applaud vice's attempt to have civil discussions from different opinions. We need more of this.

@miguelgc5956 Год назад

I think they are finally trying to be fair after being called out multiples times for not being objective. I will give them the credit on this one though, hopefully they realized their fucks ups

@renzeg973 Год назад

Vice is a bs page they are one sided lmao

@az1infin268 Год назад

Really? :/ Getting a bunch of ignorants to spread misinformation without context. It would be more of a civil and educational discussion if it actually had educated people like college professors and Drs to speak on such topics or at the very least a fact checker in the room to shut down the misinformation being spread.

@az1infin268 Год назад

...Like the bereft vermin saying "the British ended slavery", like the enslaved people didn't revolt and free themselves, they kept revolting, fighting back the colonisers ( the British, French, Spanish, Dutch etc). The African-Haitian people had just defeated the colonisers, which helped in forcing the British to sign papers, largely because the British are sneaky and wanted to pay themselves, as they made sure they paid the enslavers reparations and not the once enslaved (sickeningly, African-Haitians and Black British people for e.g were forced to pay the enslavers reparations and not the other way around for their enslavement). Also, since those papers were signed, the British and the French and virtually all the coloniser nations, have used neo colonialist tactics to keep the once enslaved Black nations oppressed, like in places like the Caribbean, where even the British monarchy is still the head of state, once enslaved nations to this day, their head of office still a British coloniser.

@luvsilly60 Год назад

Pretty sad how closed minded, the generations that say they seek more open minds. We do celebrate conversations like this.

@jamaalgill2740 10 месяцев назад

This was an amazing conversation. But when bro said “it’s the Cardi B music!” I burst out laughin so hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@aaronjones9227 10 месяцев назад

😅 Bro was very ignorant for that comment… you as a parent should have control over what your child is listening to at a certain age

@Alex-df9rh 8 месяцев назад

@@aaronjones9227agreed they should have parental control on they Apple Music or some 😂😂

@ebonysharee 8 месяцев назад

HE said it with his CHEST too LOLOL!

@jaybobo606 7 месяцев назад

Straight face😂

@VasQuez3 7 месяцев назад

That part, and when the teacher in the blazer and jeans in the back row said, “Ok bro. Real talk though. Brother to brother..” 😅 I found that to be funny too. In all seriousness though, I really enjoyed this panel of such diverse speakers who were able to respectfully and productively share and voice their thoughts, opinions, and beliefs with one another without it turning sour. What I really loved about this also is that everyone had the best interest of our societies children and next generations to come in mind. It is conversations like this that give me hope for the world we live in.

@lilytea3 8 месяцев назад

0:52: 🎓 The purpose of education is to support individuals and society as a whole through diverse education. 4:19: 👪 Parents' voices have been demonized in the education process, with criticism labeled as terrorism, but parents are ultimately responsible for their children's upbringing. 8:08: 🗣 The video discusses the balance between safe conversations and controversial topics in the classroom. 12:04: 🏫 The speaker advocates for school choice as a solution to the school-to-prison pipeline issue in public schools. 15:57: 👩‍🏫 Homeschooling allows parents to bond and learn alongside their children, benefiting both parties. 19:58: 🏳‍🌈 The video discusses the topics of transgender individuals, LGBTQ trends, and teaching about gender identity in schools. 24:01: 📚 The importance of teaching safe sex in schools to address the issue of teenage pregnancy and lack of parental guidance. 27:58: 📚 Teachers in some communities in Texas are not teaching key facts of American history due to the influence of critical race theory. 31:46: ! The video discusses the topic of White Privilege and whether it should be taught in schools. 35:58: 📚 The speaker discusses the unbalanced teaching of U.S. history in K-12 education, particularly in relation to Critical Race Theory (CRT), and highlights the need for a more holistic perspective. 39:50: ✨ The importance of teaching tolerance, kindness, and critical thinking in education to build a better generation. Recap by Tammy AI

@ambition112 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for saving my time! Amazing summary tool! Tammy AI

@sharinaross1865 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for the summary.

@aumimaaldouise1910 6 месяцев назад

THANK YOU!!!

@audraholzer593 6 месяцев назад

I loved how respectful everyone was even though there was clearly tension in the room. As someone who was homeschooled, I felt very prepared for the real world because I wasn’t swayed in my beliefs. I had a strong foundation so when I was faced with the world, I was able to critically examine what others were saying was true. I was apart of a collaborative homeschooling setting where I didn’t just have my mom teaching me but other mothers teaching me and my friends which allowed for a community and multiple perspectives. I think settings like co-ops, charter schools, and parents setting up classes for other students out of their homes are great ways to allow for students to interact with different communities but also allow for there to be immense choice for parents. Homeschooling can be made accessible but we need to create communities if we want to make that happen.

@GenerationNextNextNext 4 месяца назад

As long as you're prepared to live and work in the world with other people, like me , an African American Queer woman without barring me of services because you don't like my lifestyle, then I can totally say homeschooling was good for you. As long as your parents weren't Jim Jones in this mess, great on you.

@NicholasJH96 12 дней назад

I generally prefer state schools which are public schools to USA but in UK public schools are a type of private schools. There’s not really a homeschool system in my country. People generally dislike school home schools because unfortunately in most cases a single parent like their mum & dad. Only gives there opinions of things. When they need multiple opinions & not just what their parents believe. Like general schools tho, home schools need to improve along with system of eduction, however the way you have it homeschool. Is a more modern way of home schooling. Even tho you’re not necessary going to change my mind. I still believe a national curriculum is needed tho but it has to include homeschooling as well. All religions & non religious beliefs should be taught regardless of people opinions or beliefs of it. My view is single sex schools shouldn’t exist as it doesn’t prepare them for work or life because they are always see another sexes outside the school. I believe holistic approach is best way to teach.

@kaylavanderlaan1675 Год назад

As a school speech language pathologist, I wish there was someone who worked in special education on this as well. I think the aspects of special education were missed in this debate and that’s such a huge and important part of education as well.

@ThePROFESS10NAL Год назад

VERY TRUE! That is a major variable left out on how school choice could be a benefit or a detriment to special needs. Personally I think it would be a benefit because you could get schools that focus on it rather than it be an afterthought.

@Snortolodmyr-SS-Cokelensky Год назад

Who cares… we need to indoctrinate all young ppl into being LQBTQ

@katsan88 Год назад

A lot of parents realize that many private schools do not have the supports to adequately give their children equitable access and return to public schools.

@4everloved142 Год назад

I agree. I think that should be part of this discussion. As someone who had an IEP I don’t believe public school is the answer in many neighborhoods. The reason is because in many school districts without the proper staffing or great programs you are only as strong as your weakest student in those classes. I needed just a little extra time, the ability to take tests in a classroom alone and extra homework. Unfortunately they said the regular classes couldn’t accommodate that so they put me in special education classes. That held me back so much. There was no medium between the two classes and that hurt me so bad. I do understand that many schools have the resources to teach each student individually at their level, which is AMAZING. For the schools that don’t have that ability, if the parent is able to, I believe homeschooling or a private school that can accommodate is the best option. Some schools don’t even have the ability to have “special education” rooms and the children with behavioral problems get put into classrooms with the other children. I tutored in a 6th grade classroom that is like that. These children got all the attention and other children began to act out too or be stressed. The class took 20-30 minutes between subjects to calm down which means they lost vital teaching time.

@kathrynrodriguez2089 Год назад

I think this debate is more for the majority, as they wouldn't have enough time to delve into the very small parts of schools. Special education only makes up about 14% of the schools statewide, give or take.

@nataliesnyder695 Год назад

This was a pretty good conversation, but I wish there was more discussion about academic performance. That is something we are struggling with as a country. The topic of education seems to always devolve into social issues. Some interesting topics would have been the role of homework and standardized testing and the issue of underperforming kids being passed in order to boost school ratings.

@arranbeattie3542 Год назад

Thank you! Everyone in the comments is commending how 'respectful' this panel was, when ultimately it was just a debate around social politics, rather than topics that pertain specifically to education, such as homework and testing. They could have even talked about the accessibility of tertiary eduction and school fees, the privatisation of schooling and even school shootings.

@Digger-Nick Год назад

Blacks neglect education because it's their culture

@justicefoster955 Год назад

Me too. The conversations about gender, sexuality, and CRT are important, but I was more focused on HOW were being taught less of what we're being taught. As a high schooler that is dual enrolled with a college, I see the discrepancies within our school system, and they're failing us. They're saying that oh we need to learn how to do reading writing and arithmetic, but no one is retaining any of it. We are just doing it to get a grade or a title, and we've been gaslit, guilt tripped, and manipulated our whole lives. I really wish we could have a more organic learning experience rather than soak up material, do home work, turn assignments, then take a test. It's not working and I speak for a lot of us when I say this.

@reddirtwalker8041 Год назад

@@justicefoster955 How do you organically learn algebra, geometry, Grammer, or spelling?

@TheDarkL0rd Год назад

@@reddirtwalker8041 What do you mean by 'organically' do you care to elaborate.

@jileskorey1105 8 месяцев назад

The Homeschool parents were really revealing. They complain about indoctrination in schools, yet clearly only want their kids thinking one way about everything. If it's something you don't like, its "indoctrination"; but if you agree than its "education". Of course parents have a right be involved in education, but exposing children to different views and people is also important.

@styles2535 7 месяцев назад

Exactly. By limiting what your child consumes and the ideals/beliefs they’re surrounded by, you’re giving them more hurdles to get over in adulthood. You’ll never be surrounded by people who think exactly like you, and by having a child in school, you’re teaching them to not only exist and work with people who are vastly different from them, but they’ll also grow from being around those people

@katl1489 7 месяцев назад

I don't agree, I went to public school and was exposed to terrible things, drugs, criminal behavior, bullying, survival of the fittest mentality. I can understand why parents would opt for homeschool to avoid all those pitfalls. Also it's not the children don't socialize or interact with other people from different background etc. So yes it's okay to be selective in how you're children are exposed to different ideas and views that could being them harm or bad association.

@diane5830 7 месяцев назад

A parent's job is to "indoctrinate" or teach a child the moral and principled world views that they want the child to have. The truth is, the most influential of all educational factors is the interactions between a parent and a child, not a teacher and a child. Public education has evolved as a way of leveling the playing field, not as a means to achieve excellence. In today's world, for many children, home schooling and school choice is often the better way in so-called progressive areas..

@kw2080 7 месяцев назад

Kids are indoctrinated into this world at an early age. The LGBT folks want to indoctrinate into their belief system just like a normal parent wants to indoctrinate. I want my kid to be exposed to lgbt materials when they are old enough to have their own identity so they can be accepting of different value systems but understand their value system is not one that sees high numbers of suicide etc.

@JuanMendoza-qd5lm 6 месяцев назад

It's your responsibility to indoctrinate your child genius... Not the governments.

@valdes77 7 месяцев назад

fun fact: i went to private school and i was never taught sex ed- a lot of my friends that left to go back to public school for HS ended up getting knocked up 😳

@diahuggins524 Год назад

"it's the cardi b music" with a straight face and the other parents nodding in the background had me dying. Glad we've found the source of teen pregnancy

@ricosuave20 Год назад

It was an example, they be canceling Xmas music but wet a$$ pu$$y gets played on the radio, if you don't see the problem then you are the problem

@sashasguitarcovers5921 Год назад

I mean he has a point. You can’t blame it all on Cardi B, but this glorification of sex in female made music nowadays is going to have an effect on the young generation of girls listening to it.

@dystineeschild Год назад

@@sashasguitarcovers5921 it’s up to the parents whether they’re allowing their children to see things like that. even cardi herself doesn’t let her daughter listen to her music.

@dystineeschild Год назад

the double take I took loool I was like WOW

@reks890 Год назад

@@sashasguitarcovers5921 yea and COD makes kids shooters

@JeremyCondez Год назад

I believe financial literacy should be emphasized and taught more in the US education system. I’m not surprised it wasn’t a discussion point in this conversation but the more financial literate we are, the more options and choices we can make to how we want to live our life, and teach our kids to be the next generation of leaders in this country.

@jerrygiron7227 Год назад

God damn this should be number one comment

@Boudicaisback Год назад

They can't because if we were all financially literate the debt based illusion of our system with shatter and collapse

@taw8963 Год назад

YES. Economics through all the grades

@lynef Год назад

Because education is about indoctrination. That's why things are set up so that the average parents are too busy with work so they can't homeschool and take control of what their kids learn/believe. So the government can take care of it and mold the kids into the perfect money making machine.

@gorkyd7912 Год назад

The biggest obstacle to making good financial decisions are conflicts of interest. There's a massive conflict of interest in education because teachers are usually required to have advanced degrees that come from universities that are themselves run by people with advanced university degrees. Advanced degrees, as of the last few decades, require a high amount of student debt. Financially, it makes no sense at all to take on that much debt in order to qualify for a job that pays that little, so the pool of people who teach not only tends to exclude the financially literate (or at least anyone who prioritizes financial success) but it also tends to favor going into debt and pursuing careers that make no financial sense. So I personally wouldn't trust most teachers to teach my kids financial literacy. If you hire someone to mow your lawn, and that person runs their own business, chances are high that person has a better grasp of finances than any randomly selected teacher.

@nicolecorry2418 6 месяцев назад

What a great conversation! Major praise for the High School student! What an amazing young woman.

@Hrmerc15 7 месяцев назад

I love this argument that we don’t trust parents to educate their kids. That’s 💯 true bc right now the majority of parents are sending their kids to school completely unprepared, without emotional regulation and executive functioning skills, and with an inability to grapple through problems. So no. You’re not raising your kids in a way that helps them be successful. Most kids are getting those skills at school.

@TMichelle555 Год назад

Dude educators are so chill compared to the ego battles from other debates - very nice to see a respectable panel,and i think they definitely set the bar for future debate panels

@danzaathedancer7761 Год назад

Educators are very special ❤

@iRRichiee Год назад

The people in other debates already have their own followings usually. So complete narcissists

@Sl33zytheclown Год назад

Ok groomer

@achillessong Год назад

They have patience from dealing with kids all day

@hardcastle4419 Год назад

@@danzaathedancer7761 the Left wing teachers are "very special" lol.

@shayrost6976 9 месяцев назад

I am an elementary teacher in a public school. The topic of “indoctrination” really makes me frustrated. I work at an urban school in a neighborhood where students are predominantly lower income. We have a large percentage of our school below grade level and unable to read. This “indoctrination” everyone talks about is not a core issue and isn’t happening at any school in my city. Can we talk about how to help these struggling students, low attendance rates, lack of parental involvement. I teach kindergarten and over half my class is NOT prepared for school in many aspects. Parental involvement is crucial to a child’s success.

@lovefelix1566 8 месяцев назад

Thank you

@kevinfowler8712 8 месяцев назад

As a person of color the "indoctrination" fou feel is non existent is actually a highly effective way to enslave the minds of my people. I see people so indoctrinated that they don't know if they are a male or female, think they're American, have no knowledge of what they're nationality is and believe they are black or African American. They also after graduating can't build a house, grow food, cook, sew, not know that herbs are medicine, etc. This actually makes you dumb and cripples you. Seperation is necessary we need our own curriculum. We dont even speak our Native tongue which further pushes us away from each other instead of binding us.

@chunkymoonbear 8 месяцев назад

I can tell you, as a person fresh out of high school, that indoctrination is a BIG ongoing issue in my old school and many in my community. Many teachers fail to keep their political beliefs and personal lives out of the classroom, and there are more teachers constantly telling or emotionally manipulating students into sharing the same political beliefs as them than those who don't. These include topics such as abortion, lgbtq+, political parties, racism, sexism, oppression, social topics, and many social events as they happened (the students' opinions on them) I had a few teachers who openly racist, mostly against white people or students who made racist comments about white people without being reprimanded or punished in any way. I had many teachers put students against each other on political and social debates where students were encouraged by teachers to manipulate and shame others into agreeing with the popular opinion or teacher's opinion. Some teachers even participated in shaming students who didn't agree with views. For instance, shaming students who didn't believe trans should be allowed in the bathroom of their choice. It was such a sickening environment in that aspect, and this type of thing is more prevalent than people think. It needs to stop.

@Nyagrafalls10 7 месяцев назад

I whole heartedly agree with parental involvement. I tried to be meaningfully involved with my son in the public school system... Let me clarify what I mean by being "meaningfully involved": Simply asking every teacher what curriculum they are using, so I can follow along at home. When I asked this simple question, I was ignored or simply pointed to the education standards by the state. It was like these teachers had no idea what the word "curriculum" means. My local education system is not set up for meaningful parental involvement in my opinion. It's set up and encouraged for parents to join PTA, so they can chaperone dances and bring teachers muffins. Those are probably nice extras, but I'm a single mom, and I don't have time for fru-fru. I want to know the meat and potatoes of what my son is being presented with in school. It's so frustrating that this basic request is being treated like it's coming from a 3-headed alien. It's why I pulled my son out of public school despite being a product of it myself. I can imagine that teachers spend A LOT of time trying to "redirect" and address problematic behavior in the classroom. My district's approach to discipline was laughable. If the parents feel the pain of their misbehaved children (meaning they have consequences themselves) we will see behavior change and schools improve.

@styles2535 7 месяцев назад

Literally. We don’t have time to indoctrinate kids, we’re to busy bringing everyone up to speed so we can continue in the class

@kristinehenneman1486 8 месяцев назад

I would want my kid taught by at least one teacher who is the complete opposite of me so they can learn more! Be more open minded and tolerant, and get more perspectives on the world we live in! There’s a lot to learn from people we know nothing about! Why have we lost that or don’t want that?!

@joshuastuder2647 5 месяцев назад

True bro

@Thisismyhandle8383 3 месяца назад

You say that but if they were pushing the opposite values you believe for 8 hours a day you would change your tune immediately

@mathewoliver2566 2 месяца назад

@@Thisismyhandle8383 I can honestly say, my entire life all through elementary and high school, I never had a single teacher push any sort of value.. Some would discuss their beliefs, but honestly most teachers are afraid to even speak to one side or the other on any political issue due to the fear of backlash from parents and administration. I don't think that presenting a view that is in opposition to oneself is harmful though.

@MrsTruthTeller 8 месяцев назад

As someone who works on foster care cases, I can assure you that it’s never a good idea to rely completely on parents to make the best decisions for their children. Those decisions need to be within reason and they need to be in collaboration with education professionals.

@julieregalado6086 4 месяца назад

And the wider community

@Drowning_Girl 3 месяца назад

This is alarming. Leave your bias out of this conversation. Parents should have the choice. Don't use your bubble to make informed decisions for the rest of us.

@connorbrady-ladygagafan1115 3 месяца назад

I don’t think you critically evaluated what they were saying. Not every parent is a good parent let alone a reliable one. There are many parents that make terrible decisions for their children, parents should not get all rights to decide how their child should be raised because with that kind of logic it can lead to justification of abusive parenting methods and abuse of power.

@mathewoliver2566 2 месяца назад

@@Drowning_GirlJust something to think about, realistically anyone is capable of having children and therefore being a parent. Now think about how dumb you find the average person, and realize HALF of the population is dumber than that... I think parents absolutely should be involved in their child's education, but I don't think all parents are capable of making the BEST choices, especially with topics that they have no experience in, or have a particular bias. The more educated children are, the better our society as a whole will be, even if it's something the parents don't like or agree with such as gay marriage or transgenderism.

@yukilewis3737 2 месяца назад

Just because there are some messed up parents, doesn’t mean the rights of all parents should be stripped. Only those parents who show they make bad parenting choices should officials step in; we can’t just make a blanket decision like that for all parents.

@rzcortes Год назад

I've seen a number of these Vice Debates, and I have to say THIS is probably the most civil and respectful of all. Congratulations, to you parents and educators for being such a great example of being civil, respectful, and authentic. If American society is filled by people of your kind of openness and respect, and you raise your children with this degree of respect and sincerity, then there is hope for the greatest country in the world.

@EBtubevideo Год назад

The people in this debate lack the usual snark. I liked it.

@GratDuForloradeArgumentet Год назад

Why are there always a majority brown people in these when it's a white country, built by whites?

@b.melakail Год назад

All these debates just prove that conservatives are more on the mark. The left is trying to run from natural law

@MsTripplesix Год назад

Aye, I totally agree! And was thinking this while I was watching. Even people's defensiveness was respectful. Also as a commenter said, "no snarkiness." I loved it.

@chrislaverick6413 Год назад

Figured the all women panel was the most hostile one lol

@ShamsiaK Год назад

I had Sex Ed in the 5th grade. It was a week long curriculum that concluded with a parents night. Mothers with daughters and fathers with sons, we watched our own informational film and then had our own Q and A with our parent or guardian. There was a licensed health expert in the room the whole time to address any concerns or deeper questions.

@rojayreid908 Год назад

And you forget half of it 😂

@mr.mclibtard5015 Год назад

Humans have been breeding for thousands of years without se.x ed

@gmshadowtraders Год назад

@@rojayreid908 🤣🤣

@jasonolinger7585 Год назад

@@rojayreid908 You were probably the immature one who was uncomfortably laughing the whole sex ed class. Huh?

@rojayreid908 Год назад

@@jasonolinger7585 everyone was laughing stop it and don't pretend you retain anything in that class in 5th grade. Maybe some things but most things you gonna forget, especially at that age.

@elisalozano4862 8 месяцев назад

I had the pleasure of having Teacher Frambrini teach my son that year at Vincent Academy! He was very kind to me as a parent and taught advanced math to the students!

@jamesdenoia 8 месяцев назад

"Education is not simply the learning of facts, but training the mind to think." Albert Einstein

@djdavidastbury Год назад

“It’s the Cardi B music” 😂😂 I know he wasn’t joking but that makes it even funnier

@AdmiralKiko Год назад

☠️

@drospedestrianaccount1698 Год назад

“Pull up your pants and stop watching communist tik toks! My son saw a vape pen and now he’s shitting in a litter box!!! I haven’t seen him do it but I know he wants to!”

@Blackronin357 Год назад

Black Ben Shapiro was making me seeth w/ frustration on his points.

@SpintoSopranoSexyYea Год назад

*Cardi B grinning off camera*

@scottr5224 Год назад

@@Blackronin357 CJ was the best member on the panel. Makeup guy on the other hand...

@thenightking7167 Год назад

I am shocked that that not a single member of this panel addressed the most profound problem within the education system in the United States of America: Utter and complete lack of parental/guardian accountability for the infractions of students. The majority of students, k-12, are simply out of control, spoiled, petulant, rude, inconsiderate, and intellectually challenged. 🙄

@bluesky5384 Год назад

I just commented this on another video about a student pepper spraying a teacher that took her phone that she was using to cheat. Lack of parenting and lack of consistent real world consequences or accountability create an out of control student population.

@thenightking7167 Год назад

@@bluesky5384, indeed. It is revolting.

@yerrterrb8435 Год назад

Because so are their parents. :-/

@sirfish9824 Год назад

It’s both sides. Teachers also need to actually care about teaching kids. They can’t just look at it as a job because it’s not just a job it’s teaching.

@debbiecarter2 Год назад

There was a time I agreed with you 100%. However, now, if you take an earnest interest in your children's education, you are punished and may even go to jail and be labeled a terrorist.

@taneshiaraine 8 месяцев назад

I wish they would have addressed the fact that every child unfortunately doesn't have capable parents to teach them everything they need if anything. Public school could be their only opportunity for knowledge etc

@r-ex2945 8 месяцев назад

A problem is that parents have to spend a lot of time working for the system instead of being able to do stuff in their own surrounding and being able to manage. We used to have parents coming together and teaching their children. 1 full time job should be enougj to provide for a household. This is a problem. Im not saying only one person makes money, but both parents should be able to work 20 hours a week so they work 40 hours a week to provide for they family.

@sergioedhi1839 8 месяцев назад

Sad to see how conversations about education now automatically devolve into a sex/gender conversation…this is I’m the least of our problems people!

@kirstennewman1708 Год назад

I really wish they would have touched on bullying and the no tolerance policy. I would have loved to hear the teachers perspectives on it. Both of my children have faced bullying and both of my children have been punished for defending themselves from bullies who were physically threatening them. The no tolerance policy needs to have some common sense. We know a 12yr old girl who was just suspended for busting a kids lip while trying to stop him from throwing her down a flight of stairs. But because she hit him she got in trouble. It's becoming a huge issues in schools and with the increase of not just school shootings but suicides among middle and high school children it really needs to be addressed.

@Drisco757 Год назад

Great point. That's part of the reason why I said I homeschool. They just edited it conveniently to make it seem like I was saying to shield them from LGBT kids. When I said "to keep my kids away from YOUR bad kids" was actually more aligned with your point contextually. Seems they chopped it up to push an agenda to try to discredit me. It backfired.

@Redditor6079 11 месяцев назад

We need to introduce combat sports and weight lifting in middle schools. These teach discipline, the importance of standing up for yourself and they build lots of confidence as participants see themselves progressing in them.

@Drisco757 11 месяцев назад

@@Redditor6079 I can respect that. I did mixed martial arts at age 15 back before it was mainstream... UFC was pay per view only then so there were no fights available for minors lol

@StevenZhuang 10 месяцев назад

Teachers are too busy teaching kids LGBT stuff or white primacy stuff.

@fupahunter7945 10 месяцев назад

It will never change. A kid came up behind me and started choking me. I broke out of it and knocked him out. I got a week suspension and he got nothing but a giant black eye. A teacher watched the whole incident too. The teacher told the principal we were rough housing and that I took it to far.

@pizairiawarren1909 10 месяцев назад

Every time I paused to disagree and have a discussion with myself about what someone said the next person who spoke said exactly what I just said out loud to myself. Im glad this panel actually had the balls to speak up against what some of the others were saying. This panel is exactly why ppl lean toward home schooling. You never know what type of teacher you will get. They are honestly HIT or MISSSS.

@Vonda618 9 месяцев назад

I get it. It's scary.

@Julia-di7pb 9 месяцев назад

Lmao I’m so glad some else said they do this too

@loganscotthouse1590 8 месяцев назад

@@LifeStrike2030you are completely wrong! I teach my children. Not only book smarts! But survival skills, money skills, chores, how to work on vehicles, gardening, everything that a child should learn growing up.. I am open minded! And let my kids explore and ask questions. I guarantee you my home schooled child will surpass any public/private school child!

@LifeStrike2030 8 месяцев назад

@@loganscotthouse1590 I can guarantee that your kid is more likely to be molested than any public or private school kid.

@LifeStrike2030 8 месяцев назад

And you more likely to b the molester than any teacher

@asifarain4485 8 месяцев назад

What's shocking is that 9 adults are asked what is the reason for school and only 1 said to be literate.

@Juliet42110 7 месяцев назад

I knew a lot of homeschool kids growing up and they were weird as hell, socially stunted, and missed out on so many cool opportunities. I'm sure it doesn't always happen, but often that is true. Also homeschool is an easy way for abusive parents to hide their abuse, those kids might never be around a mandated reporter. Also I'm a teacher, as is my husband and when we get homeschooled children that come to our school for the first time in their lives, they are far behind the other children. This is just my experience.

@Drisco757 5 месяцев назад

The only comments this account has ever made have been on this video. You're bald faced lying. You completely made that up.

@marcosbravo4293 3 месяца назад

I spend my childhood in Mexico and homeschooling isn’t a thing (or wasn’t back then.) honestly, I find hard to believe that someone can be able to school and educate someone on their own.

@Drisco757 3 месяца назад

@@marcosbravo4293 I bet, when all you know is indoctrination it would be hard to believe any other reality. Mexico is NOT the model example for effective education.

@marcosbravo4293 3 месяца назад

@@Drisco757 I didn’t say that, did I? I didn’t even say homeschooling was bad… Were you homeschooled?

@Drisco757 3 месяца назад

@@marcosbravo4293 I didn't say you said that. No I was not homeschooled

@Gadrenn Год назад

As a german student, i look at this with shock. The differences in cultures are so real and i gotta say i am thankful to live in germany, since we actually have a good and (mostly) working education without huge conflicts about what is taught and how it is taught.

@azih8626 Год назад

because what america needs to do is follow a country who trips over itself in all instances apologizing for historical atrocities, and almost completley framing its history after the fact. i can burn an american flag in my front yard, but would be arrested for doing the same thing to the star spangled banner in berlin. the US is much younger than germany but does a better comprehensive job of teaching its history than a nation scared to venture out pre-unification of various german landers.

@jaymac4448 Год назад

I graduated from a DOD school in Germany that gave a dual diploma if one was to qualify. I'm so glad to have had that opportunity.

@justtinashe Год назад

@@azih8626 it’s not that deep bro. 😂😂 America is the pits education wise. Y’all need to learn that education is about critical thinking, not all this emotions and feelings drama.

@Nar419 Год назад

@@azih8626 you need to learn about American propaganda, try reading the American dream 21st century and you’ll see you are just spreading American propaganda talking points lol and meanwhile america has committed just as many atrocities and has never apologized for it doesn’t make it a better country lol, I have more respect for a country that holds itself accountable than one that just continues to try and genocide native Americans and covers it up with “we are the best country in the world” which isn’t even true by a long shot lmfao

@JustTheTip556 Год назад

Germany is a socialist sh!t hole

@Allison_White Год назад

It is refreshing to witness a civil & respectful conversation between people with very different opinions. We need more of this.

@SpintoSopranoSexyYea Год назад

YES!! Even though it got “heated”, everyone was awesome!

@machellovelivelife658 Год назад

The feminism panel left me w/ "PTSD"/jaded when it comes to Vice debates, so whenever one pops up I immediately read the comment section to discern if it went well or off the rails. So far it seems this one went well enough.

@mr.fantastic1854 Год назад

This convo is civil and respectful but some of the members are so incredibly uneducated on certain topics that it's hard to understand anything from their point of view. One of the conservatives doesn't understand a lot of the things that he doesn't think should be taught in schools. I know this is edited and there would have been more to the conversation but the rebuttals to his view of CRT and what indoctrination is, shows how these bubbles that they live in can be so damaging to our society. The failure to understand white privilege and how he disagrees to factual information blows my mind.

@martonyomchale342 Год назад

No we don't. The Right is almost always wrong and all these talks do is waste time. That's like me sitting down with a racist to discuss race. My energy would be better spent organizing ppl in my community, and on the state level to combat the right.

@couldbeeworse Год назад

I agree, was healing almost to see people communicate with grace and tolerance

@echung168 6 месяцев назад

40:55 where he was saying that he wishes to see parents at the PTA meetings and such.. something like that wasn't possible for me where I am from a single-working-parent household. My dad pulled well over 50-60 hours a week working anyone from 4am-3pm, sometimes earlier and/or later. My dad would have to drop me off at my grandmother's in the middle of the night so my relatives could take me to school. Aside from my dad working long hours, he immigrated here from China and only get a partial 3rd grade education. He took some adult school here in the US to learn some English so he could get by. But PTA meetings for someone like him and many parents of friends and classmates from my generation/graduating class are all in a similar situation. Going to a PTA meeting was by far a waste of time back then because they had other chores to do around the house or prepare for the next work day. Like others have mentioned, the education system is due for a revamp. Many parents now, not all, have been born and raised in the States now and can afford to do much of the things our parents wished to do. And that is similar to much of every other aspect in the US. Things we wished we could do, or wished our parents could do back then- we can do now for our next generation.

@31415926535equalspi 5 месяцев назад

37:02 brilliant point made about 1 min later- “That’s exactly what CRT is”- talking about not just the struggle but also talents & success of BIPOC. If everyone would understand the actual definition, then we would have a more solid foundation to have a productive discussion about it.

@raphramos6297 Год назад

My mom and dad taught us to never stop asking why when people give you information, always challenge what you hear, former your own opinions, and understand the facts and how they were proven. My wife and I have the same approach to our two kids and I'm happy that they are always searching for more information. I don't always have the answer FOR them but searching with them makes for some interesting conversations

@lemonking3644 Год назад

THE PROBLEM IS THE WOKE SOCIALISTS who are distancing liberals and conservatives

@Thedavidcrag Год назад

Well Raph, they keep deleting my respons to you. His name is Gyorgy Lakacs. He was the Hungarian secretary of education during the soviet union. Read about what he did

@silentj624 Год назад

I learned this in my late 20s when it came to questioning my own biases

@raphramos6297 Год назад

@silentj624 knowledge is not a destination, it's a journey. I'm 35 and I'm progressing in my journey. Keep striving forward and keep growing 💪

@joshuaariza9679 Год назад

this is, by far, the most respectful convo I've seen in the series.

@teejay3272 Год назад

But NOTHING was accomplished. And nothing of value was shared. You spent time listening to people who LOVE to hear themselves talk and regurgitate positions they've been fed. That's all it was. You could have sat there just as easily and brought as much to the table.

@bald_flop8063 Год назад

@@teejay3272bro what, get a hobby

@teejay3272 Год назад

@@bald_flop8063 Must suck to be simple minded. You're a target. Good luck with that puddin'.

@vapensmoke Год назад

@@teejay3272 Welcome to VICE, where they point out stuff like "OMG YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THIS" and don't EVER follow through with any concrete plan of change or action or even care to show how people are willing to change their views in favor of empathy and respect for humans. Conservative values are not society encouraging, they are inwardly destructive by design. It's plain as day, they need to just come out and say it isntead of continuing to try and get clicks from every side possible

@teejay3272 Год назад

@@vapensmoke Good comment. I've worked in a professional capacity in "the media" for quite a while so I have a pretty good idea of how the sausage gets made. Vice does some solid reporting but this was pure theater. They were checking a box. What's unfortunate is that it appears that the comments are mostly positive and revolve around "respectful debate." It really speaks to an uninformed and lazy populous. As long as the surface is appealing there's no need to dig deeper. And that's as common on the "left" as it is on the "right." Two sides of the same coin. And when they meet, under the guise of a false equivalency, no one wins. Wait. Let me scratch that. I guess conservatives win because they're being given a seat at the grown up table to spew extremism. The grievance collectors from the left win because "look at me." Who loses is everyone else.

@chairmanresa8678 8 месяцев назад

They were really respectful, I love that. I'm a trained Educator in Nigeria both in teaching and administration. I will really love to be in a panel like this just to rub minds.

@theoolongdrunk9900 4 месяца назад

“Did you choose to be straight, sir?!” Oh my god I screamed, what an amazing response.

@mathewoliver2566 2 месяца назад

lmao and then he goes on to talk about being attracted to an attractive trans woman and looses his attraction after finding out they were a man at one time, like bruh.. you totally just proved their point....

@lucristianx Месяц назад

Everyday I choose to be straight. Only one empty urinal? Nah man I’m wasting the toilet bowl in the stall.

@marksteele3876 20 дней назад

Making yourself LOOK like a woman doesn’t mean you are one 🤷🏽‍♂️ that’s the thing!

@xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 Год назад

What I really liked about this episode is the respect and civility everyone showed towards one another. Everybody was free to state their opinion and actually listened, which is something that is becoming rarer and rarer by the day. Civil discourse fosters mutual understanding and helps depolarize our views

@michealjordan5411 Год назад

They are educators they are use to these debates

@leraplaksyva2031 Год назад

Y’all don’t have free speech

@BicycleFunk Год назад

Additionally, they have a moderator and are being filmed. Could be different, especially from the folks on the far-right (literally and metaphorically speaking).

@davishoward7235 Год назад

@@BicycleFunkIt’s usually the far left that go wild and start being uncivilized in these debates lol

@BicycleFunk Год назад

@@davishoward7235 sure you're not talking about the guys who think there is a dark web of baby blood drinking satanists pulling all the strings?

@ciizar6941 Год назад

Having finished this episode I have to be honest. That was in my opinion the best and most wholesome episode I've seen so far. Different opinions, respectful conversations and conclusions at the end where everyone seem to have benefitted from the talks. Certainly not an end I would have expected but one I'm actually even grateful for, because it builds hope in a better tomorrow.

@hanssvineklev648 Год назад

@ciizar6941 I agree. This is the best VICE panel ever. It was actually balanced between left and right, which helped immensely. It really seemed like both sides agreed about what should be taught concerning race…a hopeful sign. Clearly, those on the left here don’t know how the powers that be have formulated CRT. It is extraordinarily toxic and divisive. And those on the right are just as naive, not seeing that much of the anti-CRT movement has out-and-out racist motivations. It felt like, if left to their own devices, unencumbered with their respective leadership’s manipulations, these 8 could iron out a fairly decent curriculum on racial relations. It was different on the sexual side of things. There, there was no common ground to speak of. Which is exactly what I would have expected. I don’t think there really is any genuine common ground that is discoverable. One side wants to inappropriately expose and indoctrinate kids from a very early age, and the other wants to inappropriately shelter them till they’re 35.

@cirdancescles4370 Год назад

Vice is better than most will give credit. 90% of their material you wouldn’t find approached the same manner elsewhere.

@shanalee3866 Год назад

Not everyone represented by each person here think like the person who represents them.

@happygolucky9986 Год назад

NONSENSE. YOU ARE NAIEVE. THIS IS WRONG. A MARGINAL FEW POPULATION IS RUNNING THE REST OF US NORMAL HUMANS. I DO NOT BUY IT FOR ONE MINUTE. IT IS SICKENING. AND YOU ARE FALLING FOR IT. BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE COZY TALKING POINTS TO USE. SERIOUSLY, WOULD YOU WANT THESE FREAKS TO BE ALONE WITH YOUR CHILD? NO AND YOU KNOW IT.

@kaylinchilders4891 8 месяцев назад

This was a very respectful debate and everyone seemed to listen to each other and hear different opinions. It's nice seeing people coming together like this.

@octaviorueda818 6 месяцев назад

20:00 the suit adjusting and the "aight" got me crying in laughter

@reinareinhart Год назад

The way that man with full seriousness said "It's that Cardi B music" as the cause of sexual promiscuity took me tf out 🤣🤣

@infidon9229 Год назад

lol same but its kinda true

@beaniesonna3052 Год назад

I laughed out loud 😂

@Goyanks28 Год назад

He’s a religious lunatic who’s probably on a watchlist.

@Numbll Год назад

@@infidon9229 yeah...

@doobieddooo Год назад

He is to young to be giving off “get of my lawn” vibes.

@fawn1273 Год назад

I love how this debate went. It's rare to see a respectful debate. We need more of this in the world

@Thezuule1 Год назад

I always 'see' respectful debate when people are face to face. The internet drives the uncivil type.

@barryvanwert7165 Год назад

Respect and kindness. Maybe adults/parents should start modeling it and we wouldn't need to teach kids on it.

@tamarasmith8260 Год назад

Yes even though I didn't agree with some that is the kind of debating we need. Our leaders could learn a thing or two from this group.

@crackazack510 Год назад

@Tamara Smith exactly! No matter the setting, military, school, society in general..it always starts at the top and trickles down. This is honestly why I can't stand the post-2016 political climate. When you have a leader spreading non-stop vitriol, the citizens will follow suit.

@crackazack510 Год назад

@@thevulgarscientist2207 influencers? How so?

@lisadiaz9875 6 месяцев назад

Wow that was such a great debate! So respectful and open!!❤❤❤ I don’t get to see that anymore

@ellencooper1675 7 месяцев назад

This was a brilliant debate! Everyone calmly offering their own perspective and really listening to the opinions of the other people, very refreshing and uplifting to watch, as one of the panellists said, no ''bad guy" in the conversation.

@cassl1612 Год назад

Just because a child is attending school doesn’t mean the parents can’t educate alongside the school. Parents, in general, need to take a bigger role in the education of their own children. I also think it’s important for children to be introduced to other ideals from other people.

@cassl1612 Год назад

Also, what a horribly bold view that ALL lgbtqia+ people have been abused and molested 🙄 Another reason why we can’t trust parents alone to educate their children alone. That man has all of his children believing someone is only lgbtqia because they were abused. I CANNOT 🙄 white supremacists do the same, teaching their children their baseless beliefs about race as fact 🙄🙄😒

@tgs7515 Год назад

Exactly this. It’s the black and white mentality some people have where they perpetuate this belief that schools have absolute control over their children, and that they as parents are powerless to stop it. They act like the parent is completely removed from the educational process. That’s not the case at all if parents are involved and invested in their children’s education, and take the time to learn alongside them.

@sarahp.3772 Год назад

And some parents want to be the ones introducing their child to other ideas at an age the parents feel their child should be exposed to, if at all.

@ForkNRoad101 Год назад

So true. Parents should take an active role in educating their children on topics or issues they will encounter. This day and age, social media or other school kids will teach kids about the world more than the parents. Parents that are tapped in will know that and take either a proactive approach to the issues or topics or will have to be in panicked reactive state when issues or topics arise. Some of the issues and topics of the world are not a matter of if the child will have to face it, but when.

@fatou.makesfilms Год назад

im no completely disagreeing, i definitely belief parents need to be more involved and i wish mime were. but what about the children who dont have parents to be involved or are neglected by theirs, what happens to them?

@sdconte81 Год назад

"Never let your schooling interfere with your education " - Mark Twain

@esther8262 Год назад

What does this mean?

@sdconte81 Год назад

@@esther8262 it's an exercise of critical thinking. Food for thought

@beatrizgalvani Год назад

Are you criticizing conservative or liberal?

@beatrizgalvani Год назад

@@Joe-rl4pv Why are you calling me stupid?

@sdconte81 Год назад

@@beatrizgalvani neither

@knightabraxas 7 месяцев назад

So impressed with how respectful everyone was. I really would have struggled.

@stayshock3296 7 месяцев назад

this one was really good!!!

@Xolerys Год назад

Having an active HS student in this was actually a pretty cool move by Vice

@darrienjames30 Год назад

I agree, she is very brilliant and provided great context to the discussion.

@kayvonmansouri Год назад

@@darrienjames30 which one was he?

@SpiritofAloha11 Год назад

"My voice should be heard" - teenager Lol.

@social_daze Год назад

@@kayvonmansouri Right? I didn't catch that at all. I thought they were all teachers

@he_lost_get_over_it Год назад

@@kayvonmansouri She was in the front row wearing the white and red sweater.

@coachcam580 Год назад

The fact that they were being intentionally dense when Desmond was making the resume point when CJ’s real name is Coreco Ja’Quan is hilarious 😂

@lmlowemusic Год назад

😂😂😂😂 makes you wonder why he goes by CJ 🤔

@3umari Год назад

WHAT😭

@worrell30 Год назад

Bruh I am saying lmao. It is always dudes like him named Jamal Ta'varius Jackson going by JT and saying they do not understand name discrimination. Like why do you always hide yours then?

@emmersonzhaime1998 Год назад

😂😂😂 that’s hilarious

@djfxonitg Год назад

@@worrell30 y’all have me dyyying!! 🤣🤣💀💀💀

@aidenalamo6262 5 месяцев назад

I remember as a child, having parents be part of the classroom a few times a year. Particularly when it came to class parties and fun events. Parents would bring goodies and gifts for us students. Some parents did this for their own children when it came to birthdays etc. Others did this for the emotional offering of support to the students in my class because they were sympathetic and empathetic of certain kids' home lives. Having healthy parent role models in the classroom is a healthy thing and I don't see a problem with it.

@GenerationNextNextNext 4 месяца назад

The problem is parents don't even show up nowadays. They get angry when you even ask them to.

@auntlizard262 8 месяцев назад

Please do this again. It was awesome! GREAT dialogue!!!

@universeheatdeath Год назад

Now THATS how you do a debate! No talking over one another, name calling, spitefulness etc. Great job to vice for setting this up and finding some really good debaters from both sides of the aisle

@oliviasmith5999 Год назад

I got halfway through this, and was infuriated. They are focusing a very limited range of topics, and it just ended up coming to social issues. I wish they chose more ideas like standardized testing or common core or ones that involved less misinformation and were based on facts

@givingyougrace9923 Год назад

Exactly

@ronswansonsdog2833 Год назад

Hence my rant above. No one wants to discuss facts anymore. Social problems are a smokescreen for the reality of the public school crisis.

@tcrijwanachoudhury Год назад

They still got that jellyfish photo on windows ? That's over 10 years old damn

@meganvenegas7632 Год назад

Yes! It's all about social agendas.

@rennumphress9836 Год назад

That's what vice does it's all about social problems just nonsense

@bobbirfosho236 7 месяцев назад

I think one of the main issues our society as a whole has, is that we stopped being a one income home and started having both parents away from their children all day everyday. How are we supposed to raise our children if we never get to see them. They wake up go to school early 7-8 and get home by 330-4, then most parents aren't even out of work by that time and these children have to go to after school programs or daycares and then when they finally get home its dinner, chores, and bedtime. So where is the actual time spent with our own kids? We need to stop valuing money, fame, and power and start valuing time and experiences spent with each other. Our society needs to take a step back and look at the bigger picture, there are more single parents then ever before, more teens and young children having babies then ever before, and more suicides due to many factors that are happening at an alarming rate!

@GenerationNextNextNext 4 месяца назад

Well, the "one income home" still means one parent doesn't get to spend time with their children, though. And without both parents' influence and guidance, the children are screwed. If we want to value spending time with children, the problem isn't "one parent staying home". The problem is corporations overworking people, taking away vacation time, and not valuing family over their own priorities. In the past, all families worked together. There was no "stay at home parent". The industrial revolution damaged the family structure. It went down to just one parent being at home. And now, no parents being at home. We need to go back to instituting family values IN GENERAL and emphasizing making time for the family while also making a living.

@niamarielove 3 месяца назад

@@GenerationNextNextNext Exactly well said. We do not live in a country where having one parent stay home is realistic. We do not have systems in place that support families like other countries.

@yaysunny 4 месяца назад

19:55 😮 a commercial started at the exact suspenseful timestamp

@charlyroussel Год назад

Great Panel. One thing I think is really important and has not been brought up is there are lots of kids out there who see school as a safe haven, they literally rely on educators and their fellow students because of a toxic or abusive home.

@MissLadyG99 Год назад

So why not help those students individually? If the situation is that bad for them at home why not work to get those students out of the toxic situation? Isn't that better than having them for 6-8 hours a day 5 days a week only to have them return to the toxic situation every day?

@user-vg8ez9cu6u Год назад

What's your point?. They should keep going to public school ( if that's their parents' choice. ) but you can't force other parents to keep their kids in there bc your child needs an outlet and likes their teacher.

@newsomedenzell92891 Год назад

@@user-vg8ez9cu6u Where did he day force kids to go to public school? Stop inventing statements to argue against.

@LoquaciousSilence Год назад

I'll say, if a child views school as a safe haven, that parent probably isn't prioritizing education planning or school choice in their plans. This is a valid issue, but I don't see it as a valid point regarding education choice conversation. This would firmly fall in Child Protective Services and safety intervention systems realm. Which most people agree is in deep need of reform and deep policy retooling.

@juliana.x0x0 Год назад

I agree! As someone who grew up in a toxic and abusive household and also fell through the cracks because I looked like I came from a "good" household, I think there should be time in there where kids are taught what abuse looks like, what is okay and not okay and the damaging effects of words and actions we as individuals and as groups can have on others, and what is unacceptable regardless of age or race or power dynamic. And then from there have a place for kids to find resources. The trouble with me is that I was so isolated that I had no concept of what healthy relationships should look like, and how warped my perceptions were, to even articulate that there even WAS a problem, even though my behavior/actions/grades clearly reflected that, there was never anywhere to go with those issues.

@BMXkidzevan1 Год назад

This was actually a really good panel, everyone for the most part was very respectful to each other

@With.Alia.at.home. Год назад

I totally agree with you🎉

@freedy1696 Год назад

Panels are supposed to be representative, Republican and right-wing beliefs are regularly in the minority and regularly represent less than 40% of the population to the point where they haven't won a popular vote in 2 decades, why tf do they represent 50% or more of every panel? why are all the conservatives who are invited onto these debate stages literally professional lobbyists and pundits while they invite some retired teacher to represent the left. What a joke. Anyone who thinks this is unbiased news is an ignoramus who didn't even think to google the names of the people speaking...

@jlopez4889 Год назад

@@freedy1696 Conservatives are the minorities and haven't won the popular vote in two decades? No wonder our country is progressively getting more and more screwed up

@freedy1696 Год назад

@@jlopez4889 lol, have fun being a minority

@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 Год назад

@@freedy1696 conservatives are 38% of the population while lefties are 25%

@Yahecniv 2 месяца назад

Just found this video, and even though it’s a year old…I found it a breath of fresh air. Disagree with several comments but have mad respect for everyone who spoke.

@providencia27 4 месяца назад

I really enjoyed Phillips perspectives...kudos

@jamespeterson1782 Год назад

I don’t know where you found these people, but they’re all rockstars. So well spoken, able to articulate, and willing to understand others with differing viewpoints.

@anthonycadena8947 11 месяцев назад

Unfortunately, a lot of them could not produce a valid argument. You may respect their demeanor, but I can't agree that all of them were competent at presenting a valid argument. Being nice and cordial is great, but we need thinkers to tackle these problems.

@PaulBroekemeier Год назад

The one lady that said public schools are segregated failed to mention that schools in the United States are funded based on property taxes.

@BarbeeSpeaks Год назад

She also doesn't want the students to know WHY schools are so highly segregated.... but wants to use it as a talking point against the school system.

@marohan Год назад

In nyc they spend 30k per pupil. N California is not far behind. White n Asian parents are more willing to send their kids to private school. In Nyc 92% of the of the highly competitive schools are attended by white and Asian. Hard work pays.

@Digger-Nick Год назад

Nobody wants to go to a crime infested "blaque" school where you get called "white" for simply showing an interest in academics

@glenlivet9394 Год назад

@@BarbeeSpeaksit’s because when there are blacks, there is more crime and poverty. And that’s because blacks have adopted a degenerate culture of retarded rap music that celebrates drugs, murder, promiscuous behavior, etc. all the things that destroy society. When the culture changes, those neighborhoods will change for the better, and there will be better properties with higher values and higher property taxes. The single parent percentage in the black community is 74% and that is absolutely insane. That needs to change first and foremost before any real positive change can occur

@BarbeeSpeaks Год назад

@@glenlivet9394 gasp! You're so brilliant. Just solved an entire problem in one go. I hope you're proud of yourself buddy.*

@ChaseBlasingame 7 месяцев назад

I so wish my children had educators like Desmond at their public school in Arkansas. They seem like they genuinely care about their students, and they’re also a terrific communicator!

@abigailthesnail88 8 месяцев назад

This was great. Every single one of them had such insight and genuine care and concern for our youth. Would be nice if our swamp government could talk to each other and find reason like these folks did. Thanks for posting!

@Fiveandime Год назад

the high schooler holding her own!! Smart

@handletheseboltz Год назад

the smartest one there

@SarcasticData Год назад

She's bright, but she used Texas as an example of how the community decides the curriculum. However Texas is 40th in the nation for education and last for mental healthcare. I think it's worth noting the method she brought up is a failed one. Not to her discredit, but you want to provide the results of your example for context.

@Seyybradford Год назад

Right!

@ToastyOatsy Год назад

"It's the Cardi B music"- I literally lost feeling in my legs and busted out laughing. So Cardi B must be the reason young kids have been getting pregnant all this time.

@savsmiles3042 Год назад

It contributes.

@TimNewmanGaming Год назад

Yup even way back in the 50's it was Cardi B's fault even though she didn't exist. I swear these people keeping getting dumber. Lol.

@fulbertequellery 9 месяцев назад

It is definitely influential for the young people who view her as a role model and believe it she is allowed to say it then there's nothing wrong. Young people are easily influenced!

@Alexii18 9 месяцев назад

Lmao 😂 for real! Some parents refuse to take responsibility

@ShortyChikita 7 месяцев назад

I cant😂

@SenatorLackey 7 месяцев назад

As someone who watches a lot of these panels, this is definitely one of the best ones; absolutely worth the time!

@irenedeniston2974 2 месяца назад

We need many more of these conversations! This was a great discussion.

@wxbomp7553 Год назад

23:56 "it's the cardi b music", I f*ing lost it, I laughted my @ss off, that was pretty random 😂

@RockyandAri_Adventures Год назад

I’m convinced that I did not watch the same video as most people in the comments, there were a lot of talking points in this video that have been debunked previously that are being regurgitated. Just because they were civil doesn’t mean it was a good debate/discussion.

@brendynsisco-taylor2397 Год назад

I felt like this at times too. Though it was nice seeing people be civil with such clear differences of opinion, it was simply just that. Very clear that some of them were more divisive than others and the rest just weren’t trying to make an explosion happen. I saw another comment about them needing fact checkers in the room and I am so behind that because the misinformation is still a little rampant here

@rayfox362 Год назад

thank you. I felt like the teachers especially were holding back because they wanted the discussion to be productive. Maybe it's the edit, but I was disappointed that so many of this debunked myths weren't categorically corrected.

@fruit4evr Год назад

what parts of the video were debunked? i’m a bit confused

@TexHorn210 8 месяцев назад

I thought a lot of parents were humbled during the pandemic about how hard it really is to teach children.

@rosalielines1801 8 месяцев назад

What a great debate: topic is very current; many viewpoints were calmly and eloquently expressed with respect; this is how politics and ideologies should be, with questions and answers; problems and the sources explored and possible options and resolutions openly discussed to see them down the longer road. The bad ideas will be discarded and we are more likely to build consensus around hopeful solutions to implement. Wish politicians would do more of this town hall open talk.

@vivianavejar5101 Год назад

he really said sex ed is 50 shades of gray LMAOOOO

@christopherhaynes8101 Год назад

Not even tops , the guy saying that he chose to be straight , inferring that he tried both 😂?

@zulusoso Год назад

THIS WAS NOT LONG ENOUGH! Only 40 mins?! Educators have so much to contribute to our understanding of what is ACTUALLY happening in education. Thanks Vice! Great episode!

@uchennanwogu2142 Год назад

You say this but educators are caught time after time after time indoctrinating youth. It's a shame that million of kids can't read at grade level, and teachers are boasting to their parents.

@dre_withwithout Год назад

It’s wild how people who went to school now act as if school is this scary place where they are teaching people things that wouldn’t learn at home. I wish this convo was longer for the sake of the educators

@josepha.r5839 8 месяцев назад

Yes! Maybe two sessions / videos: one leaning to cultural/social, etc. views. Another more academic (or not academic enough).

@El_coyote710 8 месяцев назад

as a dad this is very eye opening and im more RESPECTFUL on the mindest of our EDUCATION teachers

@Thedropoutteacher 5 месяцев назад

When it comes to the conversation of homeschooling and how the majority of public figures like "founding fathers" were homescheeld or only went to school until third grade: an important part of the narrative that was left out was how nascent pubic education is and the requirements that you send your children to school and don't just assimilate them into the workforce. The history of public education is fresh and important to learn, esepically currently when there seems to be an intense dismantling of the public education sphere. Great video with different persepctives.

@decepticonsforever Год назад

A lot of people's children NEED to have 8 hours separated from their parents.

@jannamwatson Год назад

So many of these parents are far more concerned with having a "clean, copy & paste" of *themselves*, over assisting their child in growing into the best version of their *individual self*.

@mariz_mariz Год назад

@@jannamwatson I would rather my child be a copy & paste of myself morally than give them carte blanch to "figure things out" that have already been figured out for them. In our country we have laws. We don't tell criminals that they get to grow and explore illegal behavior so they can be an individual and the legal system just takes a step back..no.....the boundaries of the law are already set and they abide or receive the consequences. I'll be the same way with my children. Their individual self is not more important than the moral and ethical boundaries that were laid out for them before they were born or were developed to make their lives more profitable in the long run. Those boundaries are there for a reason, because they're effective. We don't tell kids not to smoke cigarettes because we hate them. But because it can potentially spare them from cancer and respiratory issues.

@janycebrown4071 Год назад

That's the truth 👌

@alexrice1870 Год назад

OK gr00mer, what's your interest in other people's kids being isolated from their parents?

@ryanprentice5754 Год назад

@@alexrice1870 yikes so quick to jump to accusations how about you get your tin foil hat back on, turn on Fox News and be quiet

@damonroot269 Год назад

Not going to lie, this vice host by far was the best one and the most neutral with questions, also fair. She should do all of them

@Valley_Girl 3 месяца назад

The problem with that one teacher saying there were gays and trans people in history - yes, there were, but the problem is that then you would be opening a discussion to sexuality preference, and that is not appropriate in the classroom.

@kermmettfrogger624 4 месяца назад

the blame is in this order... 1. parents 2. school board of education [superintendent] 3. teachers [principal] 4. children

@jessicawalsh-dz2zb Год назад

If we want our children to to brought up to be respectful, educated, and productive citizens, they need to see their teachers and parents having conversations like this. Learning from each other by actually listening. Not being afraid to speak their mind. Coming prepared with examples and evidence. Well done panel!

@austinsavage5962 Год назад

Well said education not indoctrination is how we teach its important for teachers to not have a bias and keep it open for discussion

@daMillenialTrucker Год назад

@@austinsavage5962 bingo. All this gender theory stuff needs to be left up to the parents, not the teachers.

@austinsavage5962 Год назад

@@daMillenialTrucker agreed that has no place in school

@daMillenialTrucker Год назад

@@austinsavage5962 just teach my kids what you taught and leave all the extra stuff to me. I would punish the hell out of my boys if I had caught drift that they were picking on someone because they're gay or trans.

@nicholassullivan1239 Год назад

Agreed, one of the key ways to raise children to be respectful is to promote inclusion and awareness of the world around us.

@bdaniel647 Год назад

These are so so hard to watch sometimes but it’s so fascinating and I love it!! Such healthy debating and it’s beautiful.

@Sheahova Год назад

“healthy debating” umm yea right all the liberals are trying to cram bs down their throats. They are living in a dream world.

@bdaniel647 Год назад

@@Sheahova that’s a two way street especially in this debate babe. You’re clearly only hearing what you wanna hear. Either watch it again and LISTEN or shut up.

@lilianacortez796 7 месяцев назад

Great video, very informative. The interviewer had interesting questions! Props!

@MC_Hammerpants 8 месяцев назад

Bro when did teachers become so pretentious. Every one has become so kind of activist. Timmy is 17 and can't even do fractions while some 3rd grader in South Korea just mastered precalc and did 37 book reports this year

@I3adshot Год назад

The respect each teacher had for one another is the most important lesson here.

@yvonnekilla3971 Год назад

Their soldiers in the same war

@MrRayDeaz Год назад

the sickness of woke agenda is the most important here

@TheNewblade1 Год назад

@@MrRayDeaz 😂 all ways one of you germs around.

@ohperry1978 Год назад

I'm disappointed nobody mentioned the severe lack of PHYSICAL education in our schools!

@elisaaguilar6423 Год назад

And the arts!

@mmor7380 Год назад

More important is money theory, bank system, inflation, taxes ,what to do with your first salary

@ohperry1978 Год назад

@@mmor7380 yes basic financial education is super important!

@mmor7380 Год назад

@@ohperry1978 all this topic are far more important, than race theory, gender.its sad, that nobody mention that.

@juniorkool21 Год назад

@@mmor7380 what is the point of talking about that during k- 12 when the majority of kids aren’t working, and don’t have consistent income.

@username._copied123 7 месяцев назад

I have to say I love that vice isn’t bias. You can tell the editing was at a minimum ❤ compared to all the other debate videos

@sarahlane591 Месяц назад

its the cardi b music as an explanation for teen pregnancey is so funny😂

@katiefio5441 Год назад

I attended 6th grade at a K-6 elementary school. The first year of sex ed was in 6th grade, the sum of it was anatomy and consent. It was during a anonymous Q&A three girls realized they were being molested and learned that keeping secrets of who is touching their bodies is damaging. I whole heartedly agree that sex ed is important and should be reasonable and responsibly taught by a public educator or a group of licensed health educators for a few hours over a two to three day period.

@tuushietime Год назад

Great point

@prncessbaby16 Год назад

Exactly. Kids don't know they are being molested unfortunately. I remember reading something where the girl kept telling her mom the uncle or some family member kept touching her "cookie" and the mom didn't think it was a big deal and brushed the little girl off numerous times, and come to find out, the little girl had meant he was touching her v (idk if we can say the word on RU-vid?)and then the mom finally cared and started freaking out but who knows how long it continued to go on before the mom finally realized. Ever since then, I said I'm going to teach my baby the proper words.

@danab2926 Год назад

I think what's being overlooked here is that everyone is looking at what they are teaching from an adult perspective. Kids absorb and perceive information in such a different way. Misunderstanding happen far more in the education process, especially in elementary school

@mariopuzo4509 Год назад

.... Like what?

@mariopuzo4509 Год назад

Of course we see it from an adult perspective. Isnt it our duty to prepare the younger generations for REAL life? Its not the students job to dictate the methods , theyre there to learn. From an adult. Sorry, a mentally sound adult