@@WhoCares3001 Queens at heart is late 60s and it wasn’t really good with the lingo (which is understandable because the lingo didn’t even exist then). They just referred to those gals as ‘homosexuals’, and when they treated them as women it was wicked sexist and sexual. lol
REST IN POWER!!!! DORIEN, PEPPER, KIM, WILLIE AND JOAN WE WILL ALL MEET AGAIN SOMEWHERE IN TIME. THANKYOU ALL FOR THE GIFT OF BEAUTY, WARMTH,STRENGHT, FAMILY, LOVE AND INSPIRATION THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO GIVE US LONG AFTER YOU LEFT US! WE LOVE YOU!🙏❤
Right , I was saying that and I've seen this a dozen times and never noticed that only because pro nouns is such a thing now. I loved Joan so much. When Kim Pendavis died she sent a beautiful huge wreath of flowers to his funeral which I found to be so commendable and respectful to ballroom , I knew everyone on stage and none of them are here today my they all Rest in Peace.
It’s crazy his Pepper Lebeija literally created the term 24/7. Joan was so amazed by it. So much of the slang we use today was created by black gay and trans people from the NYC area in the 70s and 80s. And that’s a fact! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This is the reason why the LGBTQ+ community always embraced Joan. When she would have queens on the show, she would showcase them as talent and not as a joke. And would ask meaningful questions to try and allow her audience to understand the culture like she did.
With the exception of Jeanie. Everyone on that stage passed REST WELL ! I hung in the village and piers as well. I’m the generation after this one !! Before social media we all had an amazing time. Good memories I love seeing the ones before me
I LOVE THIS POST. I too am from the generation BEFORE social media and a camera literally everywhere. In our homes, (not mine), in the streets, the average suburban street has a RING camera on virtually every door. Everyone on earth seems to be thinking that they somehow need to be their own RU-vid, Instagram publicist instead of just being young. When we grew up teenage and youthful mistakes didn't live forever on the internet. I'm not anti tech in anyway, I just think that life was just a little more real WHEN it didn't happen in cyberspace. Your post took me back to wonderful, reckless, sexy days of the past and made me realize just how lucky we really were. Bless you Comic Man. You earned yourself a few extra heaven points for that.
Love Dorian!! Had a whole body in her closet! !!!!Yessss!! I’m glad I grew up in NYC and had the pleasure to experience this! I’m a Straight black (Cis) woman. Back then I was called a (F- Hag!) And had so many gay friends! And lost so many also to the epidemic 😢
I saw "Paris Is Burning" in the theatre. I was mesmerized by this entire world and I never knew existed. Now you can go on YT and see videos of Vogue Balls from all around the world; Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, London, etc. It's an entire world unto itself. I, luckily, own "Paris Is Burning" on dvd.
And this is why I loved and will always love Joan, she will forever be a legend. She showed loved to the community way before it was accepted publicly, her humor was like no other. My biggest regret was being to young to not see one of her comedy shows live!
However much a society can move forward (like you point out, just look how DRY the audience is, compared to the reaction they would get today) a society can also moved backwards - let’s never take anything for granted and push back against religious conservatism.
I think if you were alive at the time you watch this differently. Even if you were far from NY and not LGBTQ+ you remember how the world was and how this was seen at the time. And how very, very special Joan was for this. So far ahead.
I rented the bluray from Netflix, but disc 2 (which has this show) was not included. Thanks for making my viewing complete. Great doc, and I also like revisiting 90s TV through footage like this
I remember watching this while I was still (fairly) young. I was obsessed! I stayed up late that night to watch the re-run bc I was afraid to record it.
It's sad that none of the people in the film went far in life after this.....you would have thought it would have catapulted their lives but it was still not the thing.
@@24POWERS it's sad because you would think that a lot of them were so talented and someone comes along and makes a movie about your life you'd profit and make life for yourself after, all these people were only known still by the underground community they came from and Willie really was the only person people knew abroad and the guys that danced in Madonna's vouge video was only known as Madonna's dancers. And fuck Jenny Livingston that bitch never looked back or tried to help any of them at least publicly
As much as I love Paris is burning there’s one thing I noticed quite clearly from this which I want to know what other peoples thoughts are or if they picked up on this: On the early days of filming they said Jenny told the cast it for a student film, I wonder when it eventually came time that she told them this would be a feature length miramax film? How does a student film transform to ‘oh we’re shooting today for the front poster’ or ‘oh guys were doing a Joan rivers special’ I’m sure she told them eventually and because of these opportunities the cast I assume were happy. However notice in the interview when Jenny talks about balls or houses the cast don’t really look at her as this is information they already know. However when Joan asks Jenny ‘how long till you knew you had a hit?’ And Jenny says she had to beg multiple executives for funding and the process she endured I noticed all the cast looking at her very clearly as if maybe they didn’t know that part of the information as this was from like a day before the day was actually released? Anyone else pick up on this? None the less legendary and this movie is cemented forever🎉
Joan was great looking in the early 1990s. On her second facelift and nose job, with the chic, more relaxed hairstyle and (usually) in a Chanel suit. Daytime realness. She was almost 60 and just looked great! As funny and irreverent as she was, people forget what an intelligent, attentive and young thinking interviewer she was. It's one of the reasons that her popularity was a bit C List. She was just too ballsy and outrageous - yet so proper and classy in her way too. She did not appeal to everyone. There was nobody like her. (Certainly NOT Kathy Griffin)
This has my eyes in tears. What beautiful humans, sigh x Pity they are all gone :-( They are examples of what a community is unlike the LGBT and pass me every other letter of the youth today!
It's a pity that Ninja didn't mention the Deep in Vogue video they were in. He mentioned there hasn't been a video that showed Vogueing properly but they showed it in. Deep in Vogue.
Well of course. ‘Pose’ was based on the ball scene of the 80s/90s which is why. The characters on POSE are loosely based on these legends. Candy’s character death is loosely based on Venus Xtravaganza. A dead body was found in Dorian’s closet after death and when Elektra’s client died they hid his body in her closet..
Jenny Livingston describing the categories is so cringey. Why is it so hard to let other cultures and sub cultures tell their own damn stories. If they are brilliant enough to create it, they are more than capable to talk about and profit from their creations.
Joan asked her to explain the categories. Certainly the film tells their stories but if it wasn’t for Jenny there would be no documentary - at least one made in 1991 when their stories were happening.
This is such an endless argument. These stories would never have been told this way and in this time if Jenny hadn't used her privilege and connections to amplify their voices. It's not fair, but it is what it is. If we waited for these specific people to have the tools, connections, drive, and opportunity: we might not have gotten their stories. I'm sure the business part of it was very complicated. I'm sure there were some broken hearts and hurt feelings when this film started making money.
Joan Rivers not only knew, but attended drag shows. She was talking about gay people on television in the 60s. And began working on AIDS before all the major celebrities did it. The real reason why the gay community respected Joan so much was because she showcased drag talent as talent, and not as a joke like other talk show hosts did during this time. Literally watch any other talk show segment about drag in the early 90s and you'll see how amazing this was.
I’m sorry but I do NOT understand how Joan saw those two big ol mounds staring her in the face; then calls Dorian a “he”. AND had the nerve to say her breasts were “hairy”😩😩 god bless her wretched soul 😹😹😹
