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Parkgate Iron and Steel Co., Rotherham (1901) 

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Look out for what is probably the first appearance of the abusive 'V' sign in British film history!
This film is part of the Mitchell and Kenyon collection - an amazing visual record of everyday life in Britain at the beginning of the twentieth century.
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@kaancelik889
@kaancelik889 3 года назад
''He was a simple worker. He made a historical sign, though.''
@tollbar5468
@tollbar5468 6 лет назад
Amazing. A boy using a handkerchief - something you wouldn't see nowadays.
@badgerattoadhall
@badgerattoadhall Год назад
i bet the "obscene gesture guy" was probably not fun to get drunk with.
@johnhaywood1253
@johnhaywood1253 7 лет назад
Two of my grandfathers worked at Parkgate. Was mostly a derelict site as I remember it in the 1980s as the steel activity on the northeast side of Rotherham had moved to Aldwarke and Roundwood.
@axmmusic3129
@axmmusic3129 3 года назад
Where abouts in Pargate would that building have been. Thanks
@geraldjensen9399
@geraldjensen9399 2 года назад
Do the buildings still exist?
@ATOMICFLYER1663
@ATOMICFLYER1663 15 лет назад
Great film. Some of my fellow Yanks may be surprised to learn that that the young tough flashing his bow fingers is equivalent to our middle finger salute.
@jackc1186
@jackc1186 2 года назад
It was the first time it was caught on film
@johnbirkill1276
@johnbirkill1276 2 года назад
Not even slightly equivalent. The two are different gestures with different meanings in the UK. The middle finger gesture dates back to at least 400BC in Western culture, the two fingers are rather more recent.
@traceydw
@traceydw 13 лет назад
This is fascinating. I think my 3x great-grandfather worked there between about 1837 and 1843. I'm sure it had changed quite a bit over the 60 years until this film was taken but, nonetheless, it's great to have a bit of a glimpse of the site and the people. Thanks very much!
@richardrevill9329
@richardrevill9329 Год назад
A great great grandad of mine, was in charge of the blast furnaces there in the late 1800s apparently.....
@romizrulic
@romizrulic 3 года назад
121 years ago 😳
@owtatowttowt
@owtatowttowt 14 лет назад
love this.
@FaerieCrone
@FaerieCrone 15 лет назад
See? Even kids had to go to work in those days!
@moogdome2562
@moogdome2562 4 года назад
Long before then. children as young as four. worked down coal mines in England. They were called ''Hurriyers''.
@pee_0656
@pee_0656 Год назад
ah yes child abuse is great, totally such a shame that child labour was banned. please learn about stuff before glorifying something that needs no glorification
@jokerjack5
@jokerjack5 15 лет назад
mi dad and mi grandad have worked there!!
@goinghomesomeday1
@goinghomesomeday1 13 лет назад
A Two Fingered salute @1:02.
@BSNFabricating
@BSNFabricating 15 лет назад
Yeah, that guy just looked like he wanted a fight...it looked like he was saying something too...and I'm guessing he wasn't inviting the cameraman over for dinner...
@budway1942
@budway1942 Год назад
I was there.
@maddogryan5799
@maddogryan5799 6 лет назад
lot of those young men never made it to old age they were killed in the great war all for nothing
@ardennite1
@ardennite1 7 лет назад
Why am I not surprised to see this surly attitude displayed in Rotherham ? From what I can tell, it isn't that different today !
@yvonnefox844
@yvonnefox844 5 лет назад
Happy harris
@FranticLes
@FranticLes 15 лет назад
A poignant reminder of what was once a flourishing industry in Parkgate, .... All but gone now!
@airesluiz8731
@airesluiz8731 4 года назад
Acho uma maravilha esses filmes
@highspeedgaz
@highspeedgaz 11 лет назад
Its a common belief that most of the Iron& Steel Works were in Sheffield , not true ! Rotherham played a major part in the production of Iron & Steel , but never got the credit !! Us Dee Dar,s like to give credit where it is due !!!!
@carloseduardomelo500
@carloseduardomelo500 10 лет назад
What is this song on the background? Original soundtrack? It's awesome...
@gahctep
@gahctep 13 лет назад
Probably working a fourteen hour day, six days a week, on a couple of slices of bread and dripping, no wonder they are angry.
@joseaca1010
@joseaca1010 Год назад
1:02 ive been told to f*ck off by a man 121 years ago
@sermikan13
@sermikan13 6 лет назад
1901 - 2017... 116 ans 🙋
@martinmerrywinkle
@martinmerrywinkle 12 лет назад
yeah. the main theory (possibly based in myth) is that it symbolises use of a bow, and dates back to the england-france wars.
@grofuss88
@grofuss88 11 лет назад
The fight is like the dustmans fight over the odd halfpenny
@owtatowttowt
@owtatowttowt 14 лет назад
I just love this it is af avourite o' mine, sae t'is. especially tho'n loon what gies 'e V.(gien it '' oy! me, me!''). wow! they had such amazing lives and lived. wow!!!!!!!!
@mrmagicroundcircle
@mrmagicroundcircle 13 лет назад
fascinating footage would be interesting to find out if any of these characters are still alive and what they may of thought of the film
@jillyb710
@jillyb710 9 лет назад
So the rude gesture a 1.01 is a gem!! whether it dates back to the 100 years war or not it obviously predates 1901 - even Churchill had to be told he should only do it palm front. Its a working class insult so the origin will probably never be known.
@Isochest
@Isochest 8 лет назад
+Jill Harrison Bow Fingers: In contrast to the Continental Unifinger Violation!
@Necrovamp101
@Necrovamp101 6 лет назад
It 99% doesn't date back to the hundred years war. bshistorian.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/two-fingers-up-to-english-history/
@jillyb710
@jillyb710 6 лет назад
Necrovamp101 - Yes i agree - but as its a working class insult and thus is less likely to be recorded.
@AScottishDudeWasTaken
@AScottishDudeWasTaken 6 лет назад
"even Churchill" would have been after 1901 though
@zaftra
@zaftra 3 года назад
@@Necrovamp101 Well, that looks legit.
@schwiggys
@schwiggys 13 лет назад
@Fronika they couldn't afford food. flat caps don't come cheap you know
@bbcisrubbish
@bbcisrubbish 10 лет назад
With two fingers outwards and waving up and down means "Boll***s to you mate". Two fingers with palm outwards means "V" for victory as per Churchill, or "Good on you mate".
@zaftra
@zaftra 3 года назад
it means fuck off.
@chanctonbury63
@chanctonbury63 13 лет назад
@dchris1990 Old is a relative term. Probably for working people like these, making it to 60 might have been quite an achievement!
@chanctonbury63
@chanctonbury63 13 лет назад
@mrmagicroundcircle Far as I can see the youngest on the film (0.30) are maybe 4 so they would now be 114...
@NOOOOtooooNWOOOO
@NOOOOtooooNWOOOO 10 лет назад
Ah yes, the good old days of child labour, working 80 hours a week, dangerous unsafe conditions, all to get just about enough money to buy a loaf of bread. Fuck nostalgia.
@stuartwebster9325
@stuartwebster9325 7 лет назад
NoNoNWO opinions are like arseholes , everybody as got one and fuck you because without nostalgia life would be pretty bleak and cold
@stalhandske9649
@stalhandske9649 7 лет назад
At least the kids could afford better looking clothing than even people od status carry on themselves in these days... Jokes aside, your point is naturally correct. Child labour was prevalent and even needed in some segments of industry then, just as they are today in Asian countries where those industries have fled. We should, however, notice that matters weren't necessarily that bad before industrialization. Child labour existed, but at least it was mostly at home (with your actual family or with the master whose apprentice you were) and one would learn the trade wilst working, providing skills for supporting oneself in the adulthood. The work was usually considerably less back-breaking, too. Before judging this and exclaiming 'children's right to childhood' we should contemplate that before urban-industrial society schooling was largely unnecessary for substantial majority of population and taking the trade was the only way of survival. How much more freedom we give our children, locking them into schools for the daytime 5-6 days a week in order to pour science into their (often unready) heads? This is not to promote nostalhia towards industrial era (a bleak one in my mind), but it provided BOTH our material welfare of today (making this 'children's right to childhood' possible) AND need to arm our children with modern science from early age in order to make them useful citizens an market force. Just food for thought.
@rgwholt
@rgwholt 14 лет назад
@gzmg361 yes i reckon you are right,
@LostMortal
@LostMortal 8 лет назад
1:01 *Thug life detected(?)*
@gzmg361
@gzmg361 14 лет назад
@rgwholt The Iron and Steel works employed and paid for private police before and after the local police force was introduced. This is probably who they are. These days the works would employ security guards.
@farmerne
@farmerne 13 лет назад
Has anyone noticed in these old films how there are few if any obese or even obviously overweight people? Compared a typical scene that would be filmed today? Did they just eat less than we do, or work harder physically? Was it bad health that caused it?
@stuartwebster9325
@stuartwebster9325 6 лет назад
farmerne it was 1901 and the shit we eat today like KFC ,MCDONALDS. didn't exist harder times yes for a mear pittance of pay but they worked unlike the benefit scrounging want all for nothing folk of 2017 .
@Mr.Grimsdale
@Mr.Grimsdale 5 лет назад
All food was homemade using natural ingredients unlike the processed crap in shops today.
@badgerattoadhall
@badgerattoadhall Год назад
@@Mr.Grimsdale jesus they would put chalk (like 40%) in bread because it was cheaper than flour. food was rubbish back then and not a lot of it.
@Mr.Grimsdale
@Mr.Grimsdale Год назад
@@badgerattoadhall Do you really believe that ?
@badgerattoadhall
@badgerattoadhall Год назад
@@Mr.Grimsdale absolutely i believe that.
@charlesdarwin5762
@charlesdarwin5762 4 года назад
1:33 WTF
@spxl
@spxl 15 лет назад
I wonder if the filmographer(s) got a black eye.
@youngsteph1
@youngsteph1 6 лет назад
Seeing those two security police coming down the street in the beginning of the video, has me expecting a young Charlie Chaplin to come by & kick them. Might have been more likely if filmed in London.
@pbegley99
@pbegley99 2 года назад
They’re not policemen. Possibly postmen.
@mrmagicroundcircle
@mrmagicroundcircle 13 лет назад
@chanctonbury63 7 people in uk have reached the age 114 and one person has reached 115 so its not impossible
@peterpeterxxo
@peterpeterxxo 2 года назад
they'd be 124yrs old now 10 years later so its impossible now lol.
@TelecastPropellor96
@TelecastPropellor96 7 лет назад
Looks like Alex Turner. Acts like him too.
@relyanddefy
@relyanddefy 14 лет назад
come and take you on, LOL bint
@rgwholt
@rgwholt 14 лет назад
@kutarc .They are not policemen...the uniform is wrong and the stripes are the wrong way up for sergeants stripes and placed on the cuff which is wrong as well. They are both carrying walking sticks so i am assuming that they are watchmen of some kind employed by the firm...but like you i am intrigued.
@pbegley99
@pbegley99 2 года назад
Postmen perhaps?
@chanctonbury63
@chanctonbury63 13 лет назад
@mrmagicroundcircle Its not impossible, however I doubt they would remember very much tho`!
@Davidgpartridge
@Davidgpartridge 12 лет назад
@MrStig691 No, I think he says "Y'twat" first and then "Me" when he points at himself
@NellWatson
@NellWatson 3 года назад
"Twit - Sod off." (behind camera) "Who said that?!" (turning) "Me!!"
@twoslices
@twoslices 15 лет назад
I wonder if the young man was reprimanded for giving a V sign to the camera.
@moogdome2562
@moogdome2562 4 года назад
the days long before Geggs and Greggs babies. you can tell. they are not fat.
@moogdome2562
@moogdome2562 3 года назад
@alphadawn2015 lennon Me too. thanx.
@TheYanbibiya
@TheYanbibiya 4 года назад
UTM And now its turned Conservative. Lol
@mrmagicroundcircle
@mrmagicroundcircle 13 лет назад
@greenisland75 snob
@JesseP.Watson
@JesseP.Watson 13 лет назад
Yes... a roughness and a v sign... is it me or does this presenter come across as more than a little patronising? That little scuffle's a gem, looks like boxing might have been as popular in Sheffield then as it is today by the twinkle of that cap snatcher's toes. Can't help but wonder if our King's College historian here might be underestimating the lengths a couple of Northerners might go to to get their fancy footwork on film? What's a slap or two to these lads?
@WgCdrLuddite
@WgCdrLuddite 9 месяцев назад
Yes she does. Doesn't even explain it's meaning correctly.
@JesseP.Watson
@JesseP.Watson 9 месяцев назад
@@WgCdrLudditeI've been sat here for twelve long years waiting for someone to reply to this comment. Thank you, I can now get on with my life. 😏
@WgCdrLuddite
@WgCdrLuddite 9 месяцев назад
@@JesseP.Watson Well that's my good deed for the day then !
@sheerluckholmes7720
@sheerluckholmes7720 5 месяцев назад
🤣@@JesseP.Watson 😂 ...legend.
@JesseP.Watson
@JesseP.Watson 5 месяцев назад
You know, it's quite unnerving seeing a comment this old written yourself... a letter or something is remembered... but a comment like this is completely forgotten and undated somehow, devoid of history or meaning, despite being written by a version of myself lives away... tis a mighty strange world we live in. I shall return in another 12 years. Will RU-vid still exist...? I rather doubt it... hmm. Until then, all the best.
@Rentaghost76
@Rentaghost76 15 лет назад
Haha, that bloke at 1:10 thinks he's well hard! I want to get in my time machine and go back and fight him...do you think he'd batter me?
@chanctonbury63
@chanctonbury63 13 лет назад
@dchris1990 Thats because they were dead.
@bizzjoe
@bizzjoe 10 лет назад
thats because everyone smoked
@Bud1UK
@Bud1UK 14 лет назад
I beleive they are policemen.
@NickAndTommyFight
@NickAndTommyFight 11 лет назад
I'm American (ignorant I know) but I have no clue what this V sign is.
@cianobrien1991
@cianobrien1991 7 лет назад
Dont find out.
@mkgvlc4
@mkgvlc4 6 лет назад
Fuck off if you dont know.
@FriedToast
@FriedToast 6 лет назад
Micah stated it, but you may have took it wrong if you didn't know. ;) It's the same as our middle finger.
@Mr.Grimsdale
@Mr.Grimsdale 5 лет назад
It's another way of saying 'get lost' or 'go away' but in a more aggresive fashion.
@whirligigable
@whirligigable 4 года назад
The V sign originated from the English archers showing the French they still had the two fingers used to draw the string of there bow. When the archers were captured by the French they had the two fingers amputated.
@Fronika
@Fronika 15 лет назад
All those people and not one of them fat.
@rossmorebaz
@rossmorebaz 3 года назад
one can only imagine how utterly horrible and desolate their lives must have been .. interesting there is almost no women in this video ..
@dchris1990
@dchris1990 13 лет назад
everyone looks so happy! also...noones fat...and very few old people!
@abyssfan83
@abyssfan83 11 лет назад
These people also typically did not live much past the age of 30. Working for a factory in the early 20th century was nothing like it is today. Working conditions were deplorable at best and the food these people ate were mass produced rations that were just as bad as fast food today. Starving and working 18 hour shifts in a moldy, asbestos laden factory with no break will make anyone skinny. On the other hand, I sense a new diet regimen! Now if we can just get rid of those pesky labor laws.
@wrichard11
@wrichard11 6 месяцев назад
The mortality figures are skewed by the number of people dying before the age of five. Once you were past 5 you lived as long as most people
@greenisland75
@greenisland75 13 лет назад
Could have picked a nicer part of Rotherham to film. Not sure why they filmed a load of teenage boys queing up for the toilets!
@grahamwilson2290
@grahamwilson2290 4 года назад
How things have changed, supposedly for the better. We now have sexual exploitation of young girls who are being groomed by men of the Asian community. We are now divided by Culture and Religion. It was a hard life back then, but they were all together as one...
@johngreenhorn8853
@johngreenhorn8853 4 года назад
Spot on mate.
@grahamwilson2290
@grahamwilson2290 4 года назад
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath Who mentioned Muslims, they were Asian men exploiting young girls ,what was even more fucked up, people new what was happening...
@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath
@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath 4 года назад
@@grahamwilson2290 Calling them "Asian" men makes it sound like they are Chinese or something. They are almost all Pakistani Muslims. That's my point.
@grahamwilson2290
@grahamwilson2290 4 года назад
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath Maybe i should have been more specific...
@zaftra
@zaftra 3 года назад
um, they were vastly more religious back then
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